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Another old RAW file which somehow escaped my notice.
http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/Juv-Robin.jpg
I wouldn't normally crop this tight, but I thought it useful to show what the 100-400L is capable of. I wanted to post it at 1:1 but it's in fact just a little under.
Dark Star
08-11-2006, 11:05
Thats a superb capture CT - pinsharp eye! When do they get 'red'? I would never have spotted this as a Robin!
Thankee kindly! :)
They look strange don't they as young 'uns? Rog (Venomator) wised me up on this actually a few months ago when I wasn't sure on the species. The beak, head and overall shape of the bird is a bit of a give away really.
They get their red adult colouring gradually throught the year so just about now they should have the full outfit.
I think it's to do with being ready for Christams card pics. :D
Very nice, pin sharp and full of detail.
Impressed by your skills and patience yet again
Dont just the beer swilling, bloke, robins get the red frontage?
The demure girlies make do with blusher :)
Dont just the beer swilling, bloke, robins get the red frontage?
The demure girlies make do with blusher :)
It's virtually impssible actually to tell males from female Robins unless you're a real expert. Something to do with the shape of the red pattern above the beak I think. We need Venomator for this. :lol:
Lovely and sharp!!! Great shot!
Howeve,r the errant feather on the back is distracting. Perhaps consider cloning it out? I know it's part of the bird and all, but it is distracting!
Ooh tres sharp, CT!
I would never have know it was a robin, afraid in my ignorance, if Id happened by this little creature myself ... Id have had him down as a Sparrow! :embarrassed:
Howeve,r the errant feather on the back is distracting. Perhaps consider cloning it out? I know it's part of the bird and all, but it is distracting!
Philistine Yosef! :D
Ooh tres sharp, CT!
I would never have know it was a robin,
I'm sure you're not alone Glo. We think they suddenly turn up with the onset of winter when in fact they've been around all year. The reason we don't see many red ones during the summer is that sadly the average life of most tiny birds is only about 12 months. The mortality rate is horrendous due to weather, predators and everything else, so there's a constant change over of the population every 12 months. They have a pretty hard lfe which is why I like to feed them through the winter to try to give them an edge.
You do get the odd freak birds which survive for several years, but they're very much in the minority. :(
For many years as a young girl my mother was convinced that sparrows were baby pigeons. Since she'd never seen one.
You tend not to see young pigeons because they mature so quickly and by the time they're knocking about they're generally just a bit smaller and sleeker than the adults.
Wood Pigeons always have two young (called squabs) and can produce three sets of young in any season, which is why they're such a threat to freshly sown crops on which they descend in flocks like locusts. The only reason I know all that is I've shot thousands of 'em.
Dark Star
08-11-2006, 12:37
Our own Bill Oddie!!! :D Very impressive ornithological knowledge there CT!
The only reason I know all that is I've shot thousands of 'em.
BANG! BANG!
not
Click whirrr Click
I presume :p
Our own Bill Oddie!!! :D Very impressive ornithological knowledge there CT!
LOL Sadly not true. The pigeons are a special case. I still pursue 'em occasionally, but with the camera, so they get to go home now. :D
I'm a real pussy these days, I don't even squish spiders. :shrug:
You tend not to see young pigeons because they mature so quickly and by the time they're knocking about they're generally just a bit smaller and sleeker than the adults.
Dont see any pigeons around me anymore ! LOL The Peregrines see em off ;)
Great shot Cedric :)
:bang: :bang: :bang: :clap: :clap: you know i like this one detail in the feathers :bang: :bang: one day :thumbs:
Dont see any pigeons around me anymore ! LOL The Peregrines see em off ;)
Peregrines are pretty good at that Ian. :D
A few years back we had a pair of Sparrow Hawks nest in a poplar tree about 30 feet from our window. Very frustrating as I was between cameras at the time. They reared two young - some absolute cretin shot a third with an airgun.
In the morning we used to watch the adults dropping kills in mid air for the young to catch. You could hear their constant calls all day long, to the extent that the songbird population mysteriously disappeared that year. ;) We were glad when they left actually, but it would have been nice to have had a camera at the time.
:bang: :bang: :bang: :clap: :clap: you know i like this one detail in the feathers :bang: :bang: one day :thumbs:
You'll get there Dave. There's no secret to it anyway. You need long glass, a tripod, IS if you can get it and buckets of patience. You'll still get a lot of scrap pics, but the good ones are very rewarding.
Even with super telephoto lenses, you still need to get closer to the birds than you might think to reasonably fill the frame and get the fine detail.
Peregrines are pretty good at that Ian. :D
I had noticed that ! lol Is much cooler to have peregrines than pigeons anyday of the week ! :)
Saw the young un with another one yesterday, whizzing about just outside the flat window ! couldnt believe it and me without my 100-400 at the moment ! :(
Dark Star
08-11-2006, 13:52
I just took a stroll around the Crematorium near where I work, without a camera (damn) and lo and behold there were parrots in the trees!!! I thought I was gong barmy until I googled this Linky (http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-26170,00.html) Scroll down a bit for a reference to the Leatherhead parrots!
John
LOL. Well after all that Rog has kindly PM'd me to point out that it is in fact a Dunnock (Hedgesparrow) :lol:
I think I have a pic of a young Robin somewhere which is very similar in appearance. I'll post it if I can find it.
Sorry for the misinformation. :D
Venomator
08-11-2006, 16:55
Also now known as Hedge Accentor ...:eek:
Though why they have to keep messing about with names I don't know ... as if it ain't hard enough already ...:lol:
Dont just the beer swilling, bloke, robins get the red frontage? The demure girlies make do with blusher
Both sexes are very similar and have the customary red breast ... the male's being somewhat deeper red. He also has a darker, almost black head and is generally brighter al over with the female being somewhat duller ... but ...
unless you really know for sure you have one of each ... and find a surefire way to identify them ... it is almost impossible to tell an individual's sex ...:D
A lot of study has gone into this perplexing question ... and apart from the males being the songsters and fighters (mostly) ... there is some consensus that a common denominator in the sexing stakes may be the shape of the red patch above the bill ... females are mostly 'V' shaped and males 'U' shaped ... but even so it is always difficult t tell in an individual ...:geek:
HTH ...:thinking:
:p
Venomator
08-11-2006, 17:01
Here's one I took earlier ...
http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/628/RLG4595_orig.jpg
Although it is into the moult the mottling on the head would generally be all over its breast as a 'proper' juvenile .. although there is normally an orangey tinge to the breast feathers even then ...:p
http://www.wildabouttheworld.com/gallery/data/502/IMG_3714.JPG
... and a younger version. Thanks Ven.
Not my pic I might add - can't find mine.
minimeeze
08-11-2006, 17:38
Ooh tres sharp, CT!
I would never have know it was a robin, afraid in my ignorance, if Id happened by this little creature myself ... Id have had him down as a Sparrow! :embarrassed:
Glad it's not just me :lol:
Great capture CT :clap:
Sorry guys....you're all wrong.........its a dunnock! ooPS... I didnt read the whole thread, you'd already sussed it was a dunnock!
Venomator
09-11-2006, 15:59
Sorry guys....you're all wrong.........its a dunnock! ooPS... I didnt read the whole thread, you'd already sussed it was a dunnock!
:lol: ... I was a tad late getting here too J ... but well spotted ... :D
:p
Looks like a Dunnock to me! :p
No it doesnt, I know naff all about birds! :D
When I'm old, I will get into bird photography. :p
...... and what are you implying, young man? :razz:
I've been interested in birds since I was about 8 years old.
I bet you guys were about 15 ! ;)
I bet you guys were about 15 ! ;)
I was interested then, but they all had National Health specs, braces on their teeth, green flannel knickers, and had to be home by 8pm or "Me dad'll kill me!" :D
OR "I have to be home by 8 or me dad'll kill YOU!" LOL
Congratulations on the Dunnock - elusive little blighters, creep around at floor level and like the shade - have a good collection of crap pictures of them - but that one is a beaut!
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