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neonpollen
02-01-2007, 09:44
I have enjoyed entering photos in last years POTY competition and quite like the format as it is, with one exception, how the points are allocated.
At present you get 1 point per vote but I would prefer that entries get a fixed amount of points depending on the final positions e.g. 10pt for 1st, 6pts for 2nd, 5 for 3rd etc. (the actual values could be argued upon)
For me a win is a win, just because fewer people voted for an entry than a previous winners entry doesn't make it any less of a win. At present it also means that your points are dependant on the number of entries and how many people took the time to vote, during holiday season votes may be down quite a bit as people aren't around, should the winner of that months competition be penalised through no fault of their own?
With this in mind I think it may be useful to just have a count posted of the number of entries received during the month, then if it looks like a low turnout the points system may prompt people to enter, as they may get points just for entering.
Could we have a poll for this ? or are there other aspects of the competition that you would all like to discuss first ?
I feel very strongly that all entries should be taken since the closing of the last competition....ie, taken especially for each round. And they should not feature in people's galleries or have been posted on the forum.
Just my little bug!! ;)
Matt Charlton
02-01-2007, 09:53
:agree:
I think I agree with both Andy and Janice on these two points.
photostar_1
02-01-2007, 09:59
I have to put my pics into "my gallery" first, so that I can link them in. I don't use websites to host pics and have no intention of doing so either. Does that mean I cannot enter?:(
well i suppose seeing as we havent quite got poty 2007 running yet now is as good a time as any to review these things...
neonpollen
02-01-2007, 10:02
I have to put my pics into "my gallery" first, so that I can link them in. I don't use websites to host pics and have no intention of doing so either. Does that mean I cannot enter?:(
For the competition I just email Marcel (or whoever is running it) the photo I want to enter, he then places it in the Competition gallery.
Jimmy_Lemon
02-01-2007, 10:02
I have to put my pics into "my gallery" first, so that I can link them in. I don't use websites to host pics and have no intention of doing so either. Does that mean I cannot enter?:(
You can just email the pic you want to enter to Marcel. I doesnt have to be online to enter it into the comp.
Neo beat me on this one :p
As for the points system I like the way it is at the moment, it keeps it closer and means that someone joining at any stage will still want to take part as there is a chance they can climb the leaderboard still. Offering 10 points for a win etc might leave some people way off at the top and make everyone else not want to bother. Plus its only a bit of fun - I wouldn't worry :)
I think that people should use photos just for the comp, not on that has been posted before.
As for the points, I arent sure, and sometimes for one thing and another people miss months, sickness, holidays etc. should they stand no chance of catching up, would this not put people off entering later months in the year with no chance of catching up. this was at least if you enter everyone you stand as much chance as someone who only enters two but wins them???????
Again a list of topics for the year would be good so things can be planned if out and about. Not just taken in that month incase people are busy. I try to take a picture for the competition but sometimes it is taken over a month early if I know what is coming and I see a shot I think would work.
Just my thoughts.
h.r.ford
02-01-2007, 10:06
I kinda like the way it is now. As I would never be in the running for winning but I've always gotten a point or two and well it gives me a warm fuzzy to know someone thought to pick my pic. If we did it the Points for the top 6 places I'd be at zero and well probably would have given up by now. Maybe that is just me!
Forbiddenbiker
02-01-2007, 10:18
I don't agree with Andy, but I do agree with Janice...I'd like to see that as a fixed rule next year rather than a general pointer, as I did follow it stringently at first then got slightly peeved that others didn't.
On the points scoring, I think the system is perfect, the better the shot the more votes it gets, why should the photographer be penalised with only 10 points when in fact a third of the total votes fell his way... we clearly all thought his/her shot was fantastic kind of thing... more fantastic than someone who only received a quarter of the votes on a previous round... although they still received 10 points.
More passion than competition type thing.
Matt Charlton
02-01-2007, 10:21
Okay I agree with Adam now.
So points as they are and it has to be either a new photo or it can never have been shown to the community/put online before being entered.
neonpollen
02-01-2007, 10:21
I do understand the intentions of the current points system but it can also work the other way, if someone keeps getting no votes then it may put them off. I think that having a score dependant on an unknown factor (voters availability to vote) just doesn't sit quite right with me.
What if we get 5 great entries one month and only 1 great entry another month and it just happens that lots of people vote on the second month, this one entry may geta huge number of votes, does that mean it was significantly better than the 5 great entries from the month before ?
so maybe a point for entering, that way everyone gets at least some points
Okay I agree with Adam now.
So points as they are and it has to be either a new photo or it can never have been shown to the community/put online before being entered.
I agree that is should be a photo that has not been posted previously but I think it's a bit harsh to say the photo HAS to be taken specifically for the comp. Sometimes you just don't get the chance to get out there, esp with the current weather :( If you've got the right pic on your hard drive why shouldn't you be able to use it?
neonpollen
02-01-2007, 10:34
I agree that is should be a photo that has not been posted previously but I think it's a bit harsh to say the photo HAS to be taken specifically for the comp. Sometimes you just don't get the chance to get out there, esp with the current weather :( If you've got the right pic on your hard drive why shouldn't you be able to use it?
I agree :) it also allows you to take photos in advance otherwise there is no reason to post all the themes prior to each month.
I was only going by how its normally done on other forums.. I know we are a bit special! ;)
Jimmy_Lemon
02-01-2007, 10:41
What if we get 5 great entries one month and only 1 great entry another month and it just happens that lots of people vote on the second month, this one entry may geta huge number of votes, does that mean it was significantly better than the 5 great entries from the month before ?
Thats a good point, but people will just have to make sure they keep submitting good pictures :p I haven't been here that long but I always find it pretty hard to choose a top 3! Have never seen it where only one photo was good.
HIMUPNORTH
02-01-2007, 10:45
At camera club level there is points and credits awarded to competition entries. Often a judge will pass a slightly lower score for some small technical reason but add a "credit" to recognise the effort or the unique shot the photographer has created. A judge can add as many or as few credits in a comp.
Perhaps a system of credits could be used to recognise the exceptional photos that appear ... leaving the comp to score simply on a win/score basis.
Just my thoughts......
BTW I agree with Janice. I want the challenge of shooting to order and would expect all entrants to be similarly constrained.
neonpollen
02-01-2007, 10:48
At camera club level there is points and credits awarded to competition entries. Often a judge will pass a slightly lower score for some small technical reason but add a "credit" to recognise the effort or the unique shot the photographer has created. A judge can add as many or as few credits in a comp.
Perhaps a system of credits could be used to recognise the exceptional photos that appear ... leaving the comp to score simply on a win/score basis.
That sounds like a good idea, if an entry says get more that 25% (for example) of the votes then it could be given a credit, then at the end of the year if there is a tie on points, wins & credits could be taken into account .. or if a credit is gained, extra points added so a clear winner could get 10 for winning +3 for a credit say.
Jimmy_Lemon
02-01-2007, 10:57
*head explodes*
What do all you admins think about all this.
Matt Charlton
02-01-2007, 11:13
I agree that is should be a photo that has not been posted previously but I think it's a bit harsh to say the photo HAS to be taken specifically for the comp. Sometimes you just don't get the chance to get out there, esp with the current weather :( If you've got the right pic on your hard drive why shouldn't you be able to use it?
Hence the "or" in my statement ;)
Either you take it for the competition or it hasn't been shown to anyone online and is still on your hard drive, so I suggested exactly what you've just said :cuckoo:
What do all you admins think about all this.
I'm playing with my new batter grip :D You keep thrashing it out :D I'm happy to go with what the majority want :)
As it's a year long thing I'd rather we got it thrashed out and decided on now, and make sure as many people as possible get their tuppenorth in. :)
Forbiddenbiker
02-01-2007, 11:28
:lol: :lol:
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Thats a good point, but people will just have to make sure they keep submitting good pictures :p I haven't been here that long but I always find it pretty hard to choose a top 3! Have never seen it where only one photo was good.
At camera club level there is points and credits awarded to competition entries. Often a judge will pass a slightly lower score for some small technical reason but add a "credit" to recognise the effort or the unique shot the photographer has created. A judge can add as many or as few credits in a comp.
Perhaps a system of credits could be used to recognise the exceptional photos that appear ... leaving the comp to score simply on a win/score basis.
Just my thoughts......
BTW I agree with Janice. I want the challenge of shooting to order and would expect all entrants to be similarly constrained.
I agree with both, if thats any help.
..I have to go to work now. :( bye.
Venomator
02-01-2007, 12:11
FWIW I am in total agreement with the 'Rule' of taking a photograph specifically for each part of the competition ... :rules:
Just to add to the confusion on the scoring mechanism then ... howsabout if voters had to award a 'score' to each entry rather like Eurovision (yeuch !) or something ... e.g. lowest score for their least favourite pic through to highest score (which would equate to the number of entries) for their favourite photograph ... :shrug: ... only possible downside I can see is the fluctuating number of entries in each case ... :thinking: BUT if the judges were then to apply a winning formula on a monthly basis in order to take the scores through on an even basis say for the top ten entries each month ... dunno just my thoughts on it ... ;)
:p
I suggested exactly what you've just said :cuckoo:
I know Mat, that's why I said I agree :p
my view is:
Shot taken for comp, or not older than 30days(so quite recent)
Scores based on points gained through voting, possibly add a bonus system in
Keep it anonymous
have no judges, as that complicates it
Venomator
02-01-2007, 12:31
have no judges, as that complicates it
Hmmm ... just terminology surely Matty ... someone has to add up the scores and make sure everything is as it should be ... :rules: ... maybe adjudicators rather than judges then ... :D
:p
Matt Charlton
02-01-2007, 12:58
I know Mat, that's why I said I agree :p
I'm :cuckoo:
I can't read either :bonk:
Oh well
It'll soon be home time
Forbiddenbiker
02-01-2007, 15:22
In an attempt to get my wee brain around this....and... Good idea Rog. :D
1. Votes + entrance point + bonus? = Score (my fave out of the new ideas, and the closest to our old system)
2. Votes + 1entrace point / Number of entries = Score (Carry adjudication/credit bonus if any)
3. Votes + 1 entrance point + Adjudication/credit votes / Number of entries = Score
4. Score relative to position based on the number of entries + 1 entrance point + any bonus = Score
And last, my least favourite.
5. Scores awarded from 1-10 depending on position. + 1 entrance + ? = Score.
That’s how I read them all anyway. :shrug: :)
Matt Charlton
02-01-2007, 15:29
I do like the idea of the entrance point, gives me half a chance then ;)
I think I'm inclined to agree with Adam on idea number 1. Bonuses for particular initiative and ideas/take on a subject?
It could be done by pm to competition/marcel/whoever to say what you thought was good about a particular shot, "i voted for this one because....".
So each competition could be accompanied with a "Does a particular take on the theme stand out more than the others for you? Send us a pm"
So that for the points and I think photo wise you could use a photo you already have but it can't have been seen by anyone or used for anything else prior? That way you're allowing for people to not get out or not have time to take the photo?
The flip side of that of course is if you don't have time to get out there and take a photo you don't enter the competition.
I dunno, more ideas to toss up in the air ;)
Venomator
02-01-2007, 15:34
That’s how I read them all anyway. :shrug: :)
Not sure if that's an absolute Adam ...
?. Votes = High to Low based on number of entries ... no entrance points and no adjudication necessary imo ... :thinking:
That's all folks ... :D
:p
Simple is the best policy, reading these posts has made my head spin ....
Forbiddenbiker
02-01-2007, 15:57
Not sure if that's an absolute Adam ...
?. Votes = High to Low based on number of entries ... no entrance points and no adjudication necessary imo ... :thinking:
I stand corrected mate. soz. :thumbs:
It was intended more as a generalization, defiantly not absolute. ;)
Simple is the best policy, reading these posts has made my head spin ....
That's my thought, Ideally I'd like to keep it as simple as possible. One because I've got to explain it to newcomers :D And I'm buggered if I don't understand it myself...lol
Seriously though some good ideas coming forth. Keep thrashing it out :thumbs:
/throws one himself into the ring.
How about...each voter is allocated, say, 10 points to divvy up to whoever they wish? They can give one member all 10, or 1 point to 10 members, or 3 to one, etc etc.
Matt Charlton
02-01-2007, 16:10
hmmm now that I like Mr Booth, that I like a lot.
Yep...that is a great idea!! :woot:
namllihs
02-01-2007, 16:22
Or we could..........
On reflection i like Marcel's idea.
h.r.ford
02-01-2007, 16:28
OHh I like Marcel's idea!
Forbiddenbiker
02-01-2007, 16:33
I like that too :thumbs: .. just so long they don't vote for their own shot. :lol:
Venomator
02-01-2007, 16:36
/throws one himself into the ring.
How about...each voter is allocated, say, 10 points to divvy up to whoever they wish? They can give one member all 10, or 1 point to 10 members, or 3 to one, etc etc.
Now they don't come much more simple than Marcel
's idea ... :naughty:
:D
:p
Sounds like it's agreed :)
Not wanting to buck the trend here :naughty: but that way of voting still doesn't cover the problem of consistency of points gained over a number of months.
What happens in a month when we get double the amount of people voting?? You could end up with a winner having 300 points. But the month after (say August - Holidays n' all that) a reduced number of members vote and the winner only comes away with 150points....... not necessarly because its not as good an image, just because less people voted. This would have a big effect on the yearly totals.
neonpollen
02-01-2007, 18:18
Not wanting to buck the trend here :naughty: but that way of voting still doesn't cover the problem of consistency of points gained over a number of months.
What happens in a month when we get double the amount of people voting?? You could end up with a winner having 300 points. But the month after (say August - Holidays n' all that) a reduced number of members vote and the winner only comes away with 150points....... not necessarly because its not as good an image, just because less people voted. This would have a big effect on the yearly totals.
Yep absolutely, it's essentially the same as we have now just with bigger numbers.
I was actually going to say that...doesnt solve the initial idea.
How about a points system, either my new idea of so many points per voter....
AND the winner of a round gets a set number of bonus points for the win.
Say, the normal one point per vote as we do now...but the winner gets an extra 10 or so for winning the round?
That way the winner gets the bonus for winning the round regardless of the number of votes, and we still have a point system to give those that win, say, a round with lots of votes too.
I think it's a case of finding a balance between giving someone recognition and points for a winning / voted shot...and not giving them too much so as to make sure that they dont run away with the years prize in one months voting.......
Dare I say it? But what's wrong with just leaving it as it is? If it ain't broke, don't fix it....and it ain't broke........is it? :shrug:
neonpollen
02-01-2007, 18:30
That's the question :) in my eyes yes it is broke but I think I'm in the minority.
Well I will admit andy (neonpollen) voiced his concerns to me, so I said it would be a good idea if he made a thread. Now is a good a time as any to discuss changes to the comp, and you tend to find that some people might disagree with some things, yet only voice their concerns when its in agreement with someone else who has voiced theirs first. Else they would keep quiet.
I think we'd rather have a competition that everyone enjoys entering and gives everyone a fair chance, so who can decide whats better than the entrants / members themselves?
Tell you what, I'll put a poll up in a minute, with two options. Leave the scoring system as it is...Or change it. We can leave it for a day or to, and see what the outcome is and work from there.
Does that sound OK with everyone?
This thread is not a day old yet. I'd say leave it open for suggestions a bit longer before any votes (even an indefinite one ).
Might get a better idea come along to make a meaningful vote?
I think we'd rather have a competition that everyone enjoys entering and gives everyone a fair chance, so who can decide whats better than the entrants / members themselves?
:agree:
Tell you what, I'll put a poll up in a minute, with two options. Leave the scoring system as it is...Or change it. We can leave it for a day or to, and see what the outcome is and work from there.
Does that sound OK with everyone?
Sounds like a fine idea to me :thumbs:
Forbiddenbiker
02-01-2007, 18:58
Tis a good place to start, fine by me. :thumbs:
Hmmm
what about a translation of position into a score instead of number of votes?
like
1st = 15 points (or whatever)
2nd = 10 points
etc...
the fact that you entered gets you 1 point even if unplaced.
But the actual voting remains unchanged from as is.
neonpollen
02-01-2007, 19:05
I think if you put a poll up you should provide different options as folks will want to know what options are available then they can decide if a change is necessary. How about:
1. A system based on fixed points awarded based on finishing position
2. A system based on fixed points awarded based finishing position + bonus
3. Points based on number of votes (as is it is now)
4. Points based on number of votes (as is it is now) + bonus
5. Voter awarding points to entries (as per Marcel's idea)
6. Voter awarding points to entries (as per Marcel's idea) + bonus.
?
We can still discuss it...I think we could do with just gauging a good opinion on whether people want it changed or not....what with Andy saying he's in the minority..but a few people have voiced their thoughts that it might be a good idea to change it...
If the concensus is to change it then we can work on *how* to change it :)
I think the natural vote will be to leave it alone rather than an unknown change.
Putting up outline options sounds a better bet to me - at least you have a clue if what you are voting for might be better :)
i like roberts idea, simple and effective!
neonpollen
02-01-2007, 19:42
i like roberts idea, simple and effective!
Yeah me too :)
I like Roberts idea.
So basically, we still count the votes as now....but only use the votes to determine position.
And position determines a set amount of points.
Plus one point for entering.
Dark Star
02-01-2007, 19:47
I'll go with the flow chaps and chapesses, however I do subscribe to the school of thought that has the image taken for the competition - for me thats part of the fun and the challenge.
Roberts idea of a fixed number of points for the first place, second place etc does make sense then scores are independent of numbers of voters and numbers of entries.
But, as I say, no strong feelings either way - if I get one vote per comp I'm a happy bunny :D
neonpollen
02-01-2007, 19:52
I like Roberts idea.
So basically, we still count the votes as now....but only use the votes to determine position.
And position determines a set amount of points.
Plus one point for entering.
Isn't that what I said ? apart from the 1 point for entering ? :)
Isn't that what I said ? apart from the 1 point for entering ? :)
Quite possibly mate. Although my head's right up my backside tonight...lol Got yet another splitting headache :(
Dark Star
02-01-2007, 19:59
Isn't that what I said ? apart from the 1 point for entering ? :)
Yes you did, about 60 posts ago :embarrassed: !!!
:D
Credit where credit is due!!!
Good idea!
Yup just checked the IRC channel too. It was you suggesting this very idea that spurred me onto telling you to start this thread...so definitely,....credit where credit is due :D
Just to throw something else into the ring...
It might be nice to have an extra award at the end of the year for the 'Most Improved'
Just an idea...
neonpollen
03-01-2007, 06:52
Yup just checked the IRC channel too. It was you suggesting this very idea that spurred me onto telling you to start this thread...so definitely,....credit where credit is due :D
I wasn't bothered about credit, it just made me laugh that after Robert suggested it others then seems to like the idea :)
Forbiddenbiker
03-01-2007, 07:51
I wasn't bothered about credit, it just made me laugh that after Robert suggested it others then seems to like the idea :)
:lol: me too.
I recon it’s that photo of him, kind of authoritative and overseeing look to it....instantly makes you think he’s voice of reason...
Which possibly you are Robert, Just giggling about it like. :shrug: ;)
So, back round full circle;
I disagree with Andy and Robert.... But I agree with Janice. :lol:
Time for that now poll surely?
LOL I looked back at your initial suggestion and my reply, thinking it might not have been a good idea, (explaining why we chose the 1 point system), and I kept thinking to myself "Why the hell didn't I pick up on it as a good idea".
I blame the headache...and hunger.....and the kids...always good to blame the kids.....and the dog...
I'm just typing up the poll now, to be added, and I've realised, that there are two areas of discussion here, being mistakenly discussed as one.
One is how we vote on the image.
Two is how the points are awarded at the end of each round.
We can still mix and match the two.
So we need to determine how the winner is decided for each round.
Voting :
* 1 point per vote (as it is now)
* Voters specify their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, and all get points accordingly. (10 points for a vote of 1st etc, 5 for a 2nd, 3 for a 3rd or something).
* Voters have 10 points to allocate to whoever they wish.
We then have to decide how to translate those votes into a score.
Scoring :
* Total votes get added up (as it is now), and added to score. Most votes wins round.
* Total votes get added up (as it is now), and added to score. 1st/2nd/3rd get a bonus for placement (ie extra 10/5/3 points).
* Number of votes are then disregarded, and fixed points awarded for 1st/2nd/3rd
* Number of votes are then disregarded, and fixed points awarded for 1st/2nd/3rd, with a guaranteed 1 point for entering.
Seems we can use a mix and match, if you see what I mean.
I think the way I'd personally prefer it, is
Voting :
As it is now.
Scoring :
* Number of votes are then disregarded, and fixed points awarded for 1st/2nd/3rd, with a guaranteed 1 point for entering.
Dark Star
03-01-2007, 09:04
I think the way I'd personally prefer it, is
Voting :
As it is now.
Scoring :
* Number of votes are then disregarded, and fixed points awarded for 1st/2nd/3rd, with a guaranteed 1 point for entering.
Yes I like it and I reckon 10 for 1st, 9 for 2nd etc etc
If there is a tie then some more thought is needed, perhaps! Heres a stab to be dismissed modified or accepted:
The tying number get the
Example 1:
2 joint winners = 9 points each, next gets 8
Example 2:
3 joint winners = 8 points each, next gets 7
Example 3:
1 winner = 10 points
2 joint second = 8 points each
2 joint third = 6 points each
1 fourth = 5 points
2 fifth = 3 points each
1 sixth = 2 points
1 seventh = 1 point
neonpollen
03-01-2007, 09:10
Don't forget the other issue raised, whether the images should be taken specifically for the competition.
As I understand it we have these option:
1. Any image may be used.
2. Any unpublished image may be used.
3. Only images taken for the competition may be used
4. Only images taken for the competition AND taken within the month the competition is running for.
I think that's them all.
I think the way I'd personally prefer it, is
Voting :
As it is now.
Scoring :
* Number of votes are then disregarded, and fixed points awarded for 1st/2nd/3rd, with a guaranteed 1 point for entering.
I think if we're going for a change then those ideas seem to be the fairest and easiest to understand for all IMO
Dark Star
03-01-2007, 09:36
Don't forget the other issue raised, whether the images should be taken specifically for the competition.
As I understand it we have these option:
1. Any image may be used.
2. Any unpublished image may be used.
3. Only images taken for the competition may be used
4. Only images taken for the competition AND taken within the month the competition is running for.
I think that's them all.
Gets my vote Andy!!!:thumbs:
photostar_1
03-01-2007, 10:04
Voting :
As it is now.
Scoring :
* Number of votes are then disregarded, and fixed points awarded for 1st/2nd/3rd, with a guaranteed 1 point for entering.
FWIW....My head hurts after reading this thread, but I agree with the idea of fixed points for first, second, third etc. :)
The embryonic creative photographer desperately trying to emerge from the point and shoot chrysalis of my body says entries should be new and specially for the comp that month....even if it means some months I have to give it a miss because of lack of inspiration.
:lol: me too.
I recon it’s that photo of him, kind of authoritative and overseeing look to it....instantly makes you think he’s voice of reason...
I've practised that look for years to fool the staff I knew what I was doing when I told them to do things.
Now if I could only remember previous posts when I type a reply......
Dark Star
03-01-2007, 10:17
Robert, its worked on me too mate :D
Don't blow your cover now!!!!!:nono:
Forbiddenbiker
03-01-2007, 10:20
Example 3:
1 winner = 10 points
2 joint second = 8 points each
2 joint third = 6 points each
1 fourth = 5 points
2 fifth = 3 points each
1 sixth = 2 points
1 seventh = 1 point
I can't decide yet, but I do like this idea... :thinking:
Our aim here is to narrow the field isn't it? ...so that people don’t feel its pointless entering or re-entering, and also to attract new members to join in at any time, even though the competition may have gathered momentum.
I have a little idea, and appols for trying to squeeze this in;
I think we should use the 1 point awarded for every entry… But allow new members to join in at any time by allocating them all the '1 points' up to that point, so if they enter after 6 months of the comp, they get six points for their first entry, putting them on an even keel with others who have not scored… that would work fairly wouldn’t it…you’d have to have some feathering on the ‘new’ bit…5-10 px (two months) ..??
:shrug: :thinking:
4. Only images taken for the competition AND taken within the month the competition is running for.
On this second point. This is the one for me, only because it makes it more of a challenge... and gives me something to do. :( ;)
Forbiddenbiker
03-01-2007, 10:25
I've practised that look for years to fool the staff I knew what I was doing when I told them to do things.
Now if I could only remember previous posts when I type a reply......
:lol:
You've certainly got it down Robert, class. :thumbs: ... I just read you words and try not to look. :D
On this second point. This is the one for me, only because it makes it more of a challenge... and gives me something to do. :( ;)
I still agree!! Even though it was my point in the first place!! :D
If you had a kids drawing competition...you wouldnt expect them to search their toy boxes and find something they did last year, you'd expect them to do a drawing for the competition. Well I would anyway.....but Im very strict!! :naughty:
Dark Star
03-01-2007, 10:34
On this second point. This is the one for me, only because it makes it more of a challenge... and gives me something to do. :( ;)
Same here, couldn't agree more!!!! (with you and Janice!)
Not sure about the 'catch-up' approach for newcomers....bit complicated for me!!
Is there an intention to rework the last 4 or 5 months on this basis or simply start the next full years comp along these lines?
Forbiddenbiker
03-01-2007, 10:45
Is there an intention to rework the last 4 or 5 months on this basis or simply start the next full years comp along these lines?
Id be very upset if that was the case. :'( ...just next year is as I understood it...yah predicator you :p ... do you get it. :lol:
Dark Star
03-01-2007, 10:50
Id be very upset if that was the case. :'( ...just next year is as I understood it...yah predicator you :p ... do you get it. :lol:
:( No I don't (feels somewhat thick :'( )
Reaches for dictionary....:thinking:
"A predicator is the verb in its functional relation to the clause. It is comparable to the grammatical relations of subject and object."
John now feels really thick!:whistling:
Jimmy_Lemon
03-01-2007, 11:04
I think we should use the 1 point awarded for every entry… But allow new members to join in at any time by allocating them all the '1 points' up to that point, so if they enter after 6 months of the comp, they get six points for their first entry, putting them on an even keel with others who have not scored… that would work fairly wouldn’t it…
Wouldnt that kind of make the whole 1 point for entering a bit pointless then though? Not sure I like the whole 1 point for entering thing anyway to be honest, means people might just submit anything just to get a point so they don't end up with very few points. I think offering from 10-1 points for the first 10 would be better as then its still the top 10 that get something, but if something is really poop it doesnt get anything (Is that too harsh?)
Forbiddenbiker
03-01-2007, 11:32
:( No I don't (feels somewhat thick :'( )
Reaches for dictionary....:thinking:
"A predicator is the verb in its functional relation to the clause. It is comparable to the grammatical relations of subject and object."
John now feels really thick!:whistling:
Err, now I feel thick too :D, I thought...err, and for instance...:cough: isn’t it a word/phrase.. :cough: .. One could use to describe the possible fertilization of an egg (idea) and/or therefore a new spawning.
:) looks around hopefully.
Or, should I stop reading so many heavy books and get out more. :lol:
Why don't we scrap the whole POTY concept? The monthly thing seems fine to me as each monthly winner gets a prize already which you don't see in many other POTY comps so if you've won 3 or 4 prints throughout the year what would be put up for an overall prize?
Personally I couldn't give a **** who has accumulated the most points over the course of a year. If you've won that particular month then you've already done well enough for me.
As for voting. Why not pick at random 3 members to judge the entries? Let them know before the theme is out so they needn't bother entering. Vary the judges every month so there's no cliques forming and for god sake don't get the muppet in from our camera club the other week who didn't like anything unless it was a landscape photo.
Forbiddenbiker
03-01-2007, 11:53
but if something is really poop it doesnt get anything (Is that too harsh?)
Well not harsh but unnecessary possibly :shrug: after all their small tallies don't effect the top ten runners or so in anyway, but perhaps a small reward for trying , I know id enjoy the point if my photo didn't work that round.
...anyway the totting up idea maybe kind of mute, as I realised that I/we wouldn’t want to burden the staff with another task of vetting members etc... We'd successfully moved on from those labour intensive moments until I bought another up. ;)
TheRedUn
03-01-2007, 12:07
... and for god sake don't get the muppet in from our camera club the other week who didn't like anything unless it was a landscape photo.
Thats the thing with club judges innit? At the club where I used to be a member years ago, one judge was known to luuuurrrvvvvee steam trains - and the older (more established, not necessarily being ageist!) members knew this. A lot of pictures of trains that month... :lol:
h.r.ford
03-01-2007, 12:10
It looks like the set score people are going to win (I'm still not convinced but I won't fight it too hard). But I remember in I think it was novemer by 5th place it was over half the entries so well over 10 people. That means if I had an ok picture one that garnered me 5th I wouldn't have gotten any points because 1st 2nd and 3rd had taken them all. Am I jsut being petty???
*Brainstorm*
Ok I don't care about points I just like to know that someone else thought enough to vote for my pic... So in that vain could we do the set point thing but there would be a column to let everyone know how many actual votes they got.
Which would mean the headings would read like this:
Name Votes Points
Forbiddenbiker
03-01-2007, 17:01
Good point about the low votes = no score feeling Renee. :thumbs:
feeling Renee. :thumbs:
You mustnt do that.......she's married! :eek:
Why don't we scrap the whole POTY concept? The monthly thing seems fine to me as each monthly winner gets a prize already which you don't see in many other POTY comps so if you've won 3 or 4 prints throughout the year what would be put up for an overall prize?
Personally I couldn't give a **** who has accumulated the most points over the course of a year. If you've won that particular month then you've already done well enough for me.
As for voting. Why not pick at random 3 members to judge the entries? Let them know before the theme is out so they needn't bother entering. Vary the judges every month so there's no cliques forming and for god sake don't get the muppet in from our camera club the other week who didn't like anything unless it was a landscape photo.
poty is a bit different from just a monthly, gives the regulars something to look at over the year too, and gives me 12 months to find a prize...
i think members voting on anonymous pics is the best way, FAR too many pitfalls with named people judging, i like the vote system the way it is, if people need to get people to vote for them 'off theboards' well thats a bit sad tbh!
Weve got a couple of small things for the winner of this years comp, and im sure we can find something else by this time next year...
Forbiddenbiker
03-01-2007, 18:59
You mustnt do that.......she's married! :eek:
:D
So! ... I'm not going to tell him.
... hes not into photography is he...:suspect:
Hmmm the problem with having the restriction of only photos taken in the month of the comp then there will be months when I cant get out to take photos what with working shifts including nights and then other things like family commitments I might not be able to get a new photos, I might have photos already taken or with warning about the topics I could take it for the comp but early. Why should I miss out just because I have to work.
I think we all have commitments of one type or another. But some time during a month, if we want to take part...we have to get out and find a spare half hour.
Its not always a case of getting out either........ its surprising what we can achieve indoors! :)
So why bother posting a list of the coming topics. I would still be taking the photos for the comp but maybe a couple of months early, whats wrong with that?
sorry but most probably wont be able to take part as much if this is the case and I am sure that may well be the case for others.
unseen photos it would have to be then, so nothing thats been put up on interwebnet before. We want as many people to participate as possible
Matt Charlton
04-01-2007, 09:01
Yeah as long as a photo hasn't been put on a website, on here, on a photoblog wherever it can be used imo. Without checking the exif (which would be stripped in most cases to bring the size down anyway) theres no way to police that.
If people have seen, commented or and critiqued a photo before though its not fair for either party.
In regards to getting out there and taking photos I can tell you that since my grandad had a stroke in Feb last year I can't remember many weekends when we haven't been over there visiting and its a 1.5hr drive either way, with the dark evenings and busy schedules it'd be impossible for me sometimes to get a shot for the competition - to the point where I haven't entered the last few of them. Had I had a photography I'd taken earlier in the year that I'd not processed or shown before though I would have submitted it.
You can't just make statements about people making time if they want to enter a competition and say that a month is enough without knowing personal circumstances etc, spare half hour? sometimes I'd love a spare 5 minutes.
Summer on the other hand is a completely different matter, light until late and plenty of time to lounge around. There are some themes that you just can't photograph indoors.
/rant
Sorry Matt .... bad day yesterday. :| and Sorry Sue too.:)
This whole thread has been going on SO long my brain is fuddled with it all. :shrug:
I will do whatever you all decide. :thumbs:
Matt Charlton
04-01-2007, 09:23
Thats okay Janice :hug:
It is a confusing thread though :o
And don't let my little rant stop you from putting your opinion about it forward, how else are the admin team going to decide what to do? ;)
If it were a poll option then my vote would be to exclude archive shots. I see the whole point as being motivation to get out (or in) and take a picture.
I can live with archives as a last resort option if you must, but I'll always take a new shot to enter or like last month not enter at all.
Matt Charlton
04-01-2007, 09:46
As I said before, motivation is all well and good as long as you have the time to do it.
I have not been around over Christmas so maybe I am too late to comment, but why not just give points based on a percentage of the number of votes received?
It resolves the problem of scores being based on the number of people voting in a given month while remaining similar to the current system where each vote counts and where exceptional photos are rewarded by a greater share of the points.
It also addresses Renee's point as unless more than 100 people take part everyone voted on is guaranteed to score at least one point. But even then you can just round up fractions so that even with more than 100 people taking part you still guarantee everyone voted on will score, even if the total number of points awarded will probably be slightly more than 100.
And it is a very simple system to explain: The points awarded are the number of votes received, multiplied by 100, then divided by the total number of votes cast that month.
It seems to me, anyway, to address all the concerns raised with no need to worry about judges, bonuses, or entrance points.
Michael.
neonpollen
04-01-2007, 12:25
I have not been around over Christmas so maybe I am too late to comment, but why not just give points based on a percentage of the number of votes received?
It resolves the problem of scores being based on the number of people voting in a given month while remaining similar to the current system where each vote counts and where exceptional photos are rewarded by a greater share of the points.
It also addresses Renee's point as unless more than 100 people take part everyone voted on is guaranteed to score at least one point. But even then you can just round up fractions so that even with more than 100 people taking part you still guarantee everyone voted on will score, even if the total number of points awarded will probably be slightly more than 100.
And it is a very simple system to explain: The points awarded are the number of votes received, multiplied by 100, then divided by the total number of votes cast that month.
It seems to me, anyway, to address all the concerns raised with no need to worry about judges, bonuses, or entrance points.
Michael.
Your final score is still dependant on unknown factors, number of voters and entries. If there are fewer entries one month then it is likely you will get a better score as there are less images to choose from. If you are in a month with a large number of entries your share of the votes will generally be lower, where I have the issue is that it means the winners in a high turnout will get a lower score than the winners in a low turnout (in general), to me win should worth the same amount regardless.
Forbiddenbiker
04-01-2007, 15:27
I think this one of the ways round the equalisation problem.
The number of votes divided by the number of entries = the amount of votes available for each shot…
Example 1.
8 shots entered...but 30 people voting = 3.75 votes available for every shot....so divide (/) one against the other..
e.g.
Winning shot receives 20 votes. 20/3.75 = 5.4
Winning shot receives 15 votes (Half) 15/3.75 = 4
Third place receives 5 votes 5/3.75 = 1.3
Example 2.
25 shots entered...but only 20 voting = 0.8 votes available for every shot
e.g.
Winning shot receives 20 votes. 20/0.8 = 25
Winning shot receives 10 votes (half) 10/0.8 = 12.5
Third place receives 5 votes 5/0.8 = 6.25
This I think balances any discepences and keeps the passion...I think....or doesn't it.? :shrug: :(
Just thought guys. :)
neonpollen
04-01-2007, 15:45
I think it's time we distilled all this and had a vote :)
I think the issue of whether the image should be taken for the comp or not ought to be put to a vote too.
poll will have these options:
archive or shoot for the comp
Points system as proposed with 15points for 1st scaling down or point per vote
that all?
Matt Charlton
04-01-2007, 21:05
Okay scenario for you.
Themes for the upcoming 12 months of competitions are posted in January.
The theme for april is "a mother's love" or whatever.
On a visit to Chester Zoo in Feb, I see a mummy giraffe and a baby giraffe caressing each other, frame the shot, take it and take it home. As far as I'm concerned I've shot that image for the competition albeit I've taken the picture two months too soon.
What does that get classed as? an archive image? or shot for the comp?
Dark Star
04-01-2007, 21:54
What does that get classed as? an archive image? or shot for the comp?
My view is that any picture submitted should fulfil the following criteria:
a) taken for the round (don't care when but obviously after the topic has been announced be that in Jan or June)
b) previously unposted/published
c) anonymous
In the case above it would be a valid entry.
Btw where can I find the future topics? I'm sure I haven't seen them before :eek:
Why are we showing all the themes at the beginning of the year and not at the beginning of each particular month?
Okay scenario for you.
Themes for the upcoming 12 months of competitions are posted in January.
The theme for april is "a mother's love" or whatever.
On a visit to Chester Zoo in Feb, I see a mummy giraffe and a baby giraffe caressing each other, frame the shot, take it and take it home. As far as I'm concerned I've shot that image for the competition albeit I've taken the picture two months too soon.
What does that get classed as? an archive image? or shot for the comp?
Technically it's an Archive Image.
I think if we're publishing the themes in advance, then I think we should allow Darksaber's scenario.
I don't think it's fair to say that the image has to be shot *that* month, but I think it might be good to say "New material only", ie one that hasn't been shown online or whatever. How we can police that is anyones guess. I suppose if anyone spots an archive dipper then they could report it.
At the moment the rules are technically that you are allowed to dip the archives, but we prefer it if the image was shot with the comp in mind. That's what it's for. I understand the situation about new material for a comp, but in the same breath, we could say you wouldnt think up a completely new routine for a talent competition....so I suppose it's swings and roundabouts really.
I think if you all think that old shots shouldnt be submitted, then that's fair enough :) But be slightly lax about it and say that the image doesn't have to be shot exactly within the last few weeks or so (How would that be policed too?) Maybe just say that its a fresh, previously unpublished image.
Dark Star
04-01-2007, 22:51
I think if we're publishing the themes in advance, then I think we should allow Darksaber's scenario.
Marcel - I'm in broad agreement with your views on this but I still can't find the published list of the years topics :thinking:
:help:
John
Marcel - I'm in broad agreement with your views on this but I still can't find the published list of the years topics :thinking:
:help:
John
thats cos we want to keep them a surprise
or havent thought of them yet, you choose...:thinking:
I think if we're publishing the themes in advance, then I think we should allow Darksaber's scenario.
I don't think it's fair to say that the image has to be shot *that* month, but I think it might be good to say "New material only", ie one that hasn't been shown online or whatever. How we can police that is anyones guess. I suppose if anyone spots an archive dipper then they could report it.
At the moment the rules are technically that you are allowed to dip the archives, but we prefer it if the image was shot with the comp in mind. That's what it's for. I understand the situation about new material for a comp, but in the same breath, we could say you wouldnt think up a completely new routine for a talent competition....so I suppose it's swings and roundabouts really.
I think if you all think that old shots shouldnt be submitted, then that's fair enough :) But be slightly lax about it and say that the image doesn't have to be shot exactly within the last few weeks or so (How would that be policed too?) Maybe just say that its a fresh, previously unpublished image.
I think in the first instance we need to decide what the POTY competition is here to do??
Is it in fact here to offer motivation for us to go out and take more (better) images, some will be of topics we may never have covered before - this will bring many of us on as photographers?
Or:
Is it just to just be a big highlighter of showing, month on month how good members old photo's were??
I also agree with Janice as to why we need to 'publish' a full 12 months competition topics??
What's wrong with the winner of the first months comp (January??) deciding what the topic will be for the next coming month (February):thinking:
I agree, the aim of the competition is to make us think more photographically and improve our skills.
But surely if, like DS says, he takes a photo with the competition in mind, why should he have to take it within the timeframe of that month? He knows what round is coming up, he has applied the theme to the photo and taken it with a view to entering it into the competition. Should he be disallowed from entering, just because it was taken a week or two too early?
The reason we chose upon the idea of deciding the themes in advance, is that when round winners choose the next theme, that takes precious time. Not everyone can get on the forums every day, so, a round ends, say, 31st January....7 days for voting, so on the 8th the winner is announce. What if that member then doesnt come back to the forums, until, say the 12th...then finds out they have to choose a new theme....that may be another couple of days...that's already half the month gone to shoot.
The reason we decided on publishing the 12 months topics in advance was so people can use the full 12 months to shoot for the competition, so, if I was going on holiday this month to, say, Niagra falls, and I knew June's entry was going to be 'Water' (Jots that one down..lol), then I'd use my holiday to try and get something for comp, and use it to my advantage.
If I'm totally honest. Most of the decisions made have been to encourage as many people as possible to enter, and get the numbers up, which meant having as little means of disqualifying or excluding anyone as possible. If you look at the last round of the previous format, numbers were dwindling, and we only had 10 entrants.
Jimmy_Lemon
04-01-2007, 23:23
Can someone offer a summery of all this at some stage? I like to read and keep up with stuff, but all this is making me dizzy :(
photostar_1
05-01-2007, 11:09
Having read all of this...(takes another Paracetamol).. and thought a lot :thinking: I now agree that there's nothing wrong in taking a pic for an upcoming theme, as long as you don't use it for anything else until after the closing date. What's the point of listing all the upcoming themes otherwise?
We'd better hurry up and decide...its nearly February!! :lol:
What's the point of listing all the upcoming themes otherwise?
Exactly!!! Whats the point! Give a theme on the 1st of the month... you take that photo within that month. 1st of next month we are given another theme.
No other competitions have pre-empted themes...its ridiculous! Its just pandering to whims.
I know... I will contact jessops and see if when they do a special offer starting on a certain date...perhaps they will tell me about it 2 months before everyone else!!! :D
To me this is looking like a "nanny culture" thing. "These are the rules but you, and you, and you, and you, can do differently as you say you are special".
There are rules and if you want to enter you abide by the rules or dont enter. The rules cant be bent and changed just so everyone can fit in.......or the rules dissapear and there arent any rules at all.
RANT OVER! PHEW!:rules:
Jimmy_Lemon
05-01-2007, 12:35
Its only a bit of fun Janice!
:nuts: :help:
I have just read all of these posts and oh my, my head is spun,lol. Personally I dont' know why we keep changing things on the forums where the comps are concerned. I used to participate in the monthly comps and the bi-weekly challenges. To be honest I just can't keep up with rules changing constantly, so I just don't bother anymore. Sad, but it's the truth. You have to keep it simple and leave it alone. If your going to change things fine, but can't keep changing it every couple of months or so it would seem. Can't please everyone. Maybe I've been here too long and, I have seen soooo much change, over and over,lol :p
Just my 2cents worth.
Jewel
Dark Star
05-01-2007, 13:20
thats cos we want to keep them a surprise
or havent thought of them yet, you choose...:thinking:
Sorry my error :bonk: .
The way it read (and boy does it read!!!) was that these already had been published!
What a vibrant debate :lol: .
My only strong feeling about any of this is submissions should be taken for the competition between the time the theme is announced and entry time.
:)
Don't envy you admin folk :eek: !!!!
Someone deserve a beer!!!! :beer:
The reason we changed to the POTY theme....and thus putting up the themes in advance, wasn't anything to do with pandering to whims or anything....it was simply to get more people entering. Look at how it's done in photography magazines. Their POTY structure is very similar and something we have partially emulated upon.
They announce their themes in advance too. :)
Surely we can't be blamed for trying to get more people interested? I'm perfectly happy to have the comp run in anyway that everyone wants it to, but there's no point in having a comp if people arent entering though. That was the whole point of trying to change it to entice people in.
If concensus means that most people want the themes announced at the start of the month, that's perfectly fine. We were only trying to make it a competition that everyone wants to enter, instead of a select few.
Ill add a poll for that shortly...give it a couple of days..then add another poll to discuss how we're going to use the votes / points.
Rightey Hokey Dokey.
I've added a poll for what seems to be the most urgent topic....When should the themes be announced, and when should the photo be taken.
There are four options, which I think cover a mix of all eventualities, and should be self explanatory. The rank from the most lax at the top, to the strictest at number 4.
Rightey Hokey Dokey.
I've added a poll for what seems to be the most urgent topic....When should the themes be announced, and when should the photo be taken.
There are four options, which I think cover a mix of all eventualities, and should be self explanatory. The rank from the most lax at the top, to the strictest at number 4.
When is the poll going to be put up, marcel..... at the start of the year...or each month?? LOL :lol: :D
Only kidding! where is it??
LOL :boxer: gowwaaaan puddem up puddem up.
SHould be at the top of this thread, unless some beggars nicked it :D
cAN i just ask: What is the difference between option 2 and option 4 of the poll. Sureley if you take a photo specifically for the competition during that month...it IS new!! isnt it??
TheRedUn
05-01-2007, 13:56
Guess it cannot be used elsewhere until published in comp?
The bugger's trying to confuse us.......:thinking:
photostar_1
05-01-2007, 14:00
The bugger's trying to confuse us.......:thinking:
Suceeded!!:eek:
Matt Charlton
05-01-2007, 14:01
He means taken in that month and not shown to anyone or anywhere before competition is over at a guess.
Damn! Ive voted for the wrong one then!!!! :D :lol: :D :bang:
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. which just about epitomizes the whole thing!!! :D
I'm sure I replied to this thread??? have the bods deleted it???
nope nothing deleted.
We should just have carried on as we were....:)
what we want from the comp is:
The members to enter, try to win a print, enter again the next month, etc
at the end of the year, the winner gets a nice shiney user title that says 'TPpoty, 2006' and whatever i have managed to scrounge as a prize pack.
Its supposed to be fun, not a chore, and it supposed to get us all out with our cameras. thats the idea. We are now on day 5 of january, its going to be a short round or 11 months for this coming year, but we want it to be the best, biggest and most enjoyed comp ever in the world.
i thank you.
namllihs
05-01-2007, 15:32
Not that fussed about how points are awarded, you will never please everyone.:bonk: I just enjoy the competitions.:thumbs:
Dark Star
05-01-2007, 15:34
Matty take heart - it is fun!!! :D
I, for one, will play by any rules you set regardless of whatever preferences I might have! I'm sure everyone is of that mind.
The photography's the imporatant thing!!!
I'm just gagging for the next theme - the weekend is upon us!!!
Lets go.....!
:D
:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :clap: :thumbs: :thumbs:
neonpollen
05-01-2007, 15:41
Marcel: I bet you wish you hadn't prompted me to start a thread now :)
Matty take heart - it is fun!!! :D
I, for one, will play by any rules you set regardless of whatever preferences I might have! I'm sure everyone is of that mind.
The photography's the imporatant thing!!!
I'm just gagging for the next theme - the weekend is upon us!!!
Lets go.....!
:D
Seconded......
Here's a silly thought - What about admin make an executive desicion about the Format / Theme / Points / etc etc etc..........:thinking:
And we (members) all play by those rules :naughty:
Seconded......
Here's a silly thought - What about admin make an executive desicion about the Format / Theme / Points / etc etc etc..........:thinking:
And we (members) all play by those rules :naughty:
thats not a bad idea, thats really what we should have done, got the views of the members(which we got, lol) and then between us knocked up what we wanted, and then posted...
You know what's goign to happen with a poll ... It will be a tie :)
thats not a bad idea, thats really what we should have done, got the views of the members(which we got, lol) and then between us knocked up what we wanted, and then posted...
I trust you. scrap the poll and just do it :)
What's the worst that can happen?
;)
I trust you. scrap the poll and just do it :)
What's the worst that can happen?
;)
yes, too many options for everyone. Just slap it up and we'll all follow suit.
Forbiddenbiker
05-01-2007, 16:42
You know what's goign to happen with a poll ... It will be a tie :)
I think, in the event of a tie, it will also be useful to notice the overall spread of votes and timings...and which timing has been voted overall as the preference. :naughty:
well if i had the final call, the best balance i can see is this:
12 themes are chosen by us the team and posted in mod room, no time wasted waiting for a new theme
Competition runs 1st of month till end of month
Shots Ideally should be taken for the comp, thats the aim of it, though that is the preference, if its not possible then a previously unpublished shot could be used
points are awarded for top 10, 10,9, 8 etc
Print for the winner
Overall prize pack(yet to be scrounged)
TPPOTY title for overall winner for one year
image sizes as now, panos allowed
Anonymous entries
anything ive missed?
I agree, for those who voted earlier, 2 votes count and those ...... I 'll stop before I get lynched. In all seriousness whatever the comp rules are, I'll enter.
I have voted, and as a member will go with whatever is picked by the hard working admin team, and can I just say thank you to them for all the hard work they put in just so we can argue about it all.
We were hoping for all this to be settled by semi naked jelly wrestling...but the wrong flavoured jelly was ordered...
/Looks at matty in disgust.....chomping on some strawberries
well weve decided, new comp thread will be coming soon, basically what ive said in the post a couple up, with an improved scoring system, its as far a balance as we can come up with, we could go round in circles with this forever!
I have been more than happy with the rules and layout of the competition so far. why change what works?
so does this mean we dont find out till the beginning of the month? just wanting to check.
Nope this month will be active very shortly...with a new theme...and will close on the 31st Jan :) as normal
Matt Charlton
05-01-2007, 22:07
What she meant was "Are the themes going to be posted up at the start of the month or are we going to get a list of all 12?" Matty has already answered this for me in MSN though - themes will be posted up for each month as they become active.
as we want to actively encourage peeps going out and shooting for the round, we will post the theme at the start of the round, this is the best way to get people out and about.
Matty has already answered this for me in MSN.
Ahh this must be the 'clique' someone was talking about in a past post then.......:gag: ;) :D
Hope your not already working on the first months comp theme too.... :)
I think it should be all the themes at the beginning of the year, the photo entered must be previously unpublished and shot for the comp but at any time during the year to promote enteries.
As for voting/scoring i think it should be that everyone who enters a pic must vote plus anybody else can vote, they pm an admin their top three pics in no particular order. Then the top 10 pics with most votes get points for position 10 for 1st,9 for 2nd etc. or simliar and you get 1 point for entering a pic.
Simple and easy to follow.
voting will be the same as before, top 3 pmd to round runner, and then points will be awarded from there as PPP describes. The themes is a sore point i think, its not going to be easy for us to police entries to see if they have been up before etc..
as for Cliques, ive got the money out of matt for his calendar now, so as of 10 mins ago, hes blocked again!
seriously though, if anyone wants to add me to there msn, feel free!
Matt Charlton
05-01-2007, 22:28
Ahh this must be the 'clique' someone was talking about in a past post then.......:gag: ;) :D
Hope your not already working on the first months comp theme too.... :)
Theres a clique? I haven't seen one, you've been a member longer than I have so surely you must be aware of something I'm not.
Despite the smileys I still take offence at what you've said but I'll let it go :p
Matt Charlton
05-01-2007, 22:29
seriously though, if anyone wants to add me to there msn, feel free!
its "THEIR" you muppet :p
tomorrow will see a new thread for 2007, fleshed out and explained for you all. new theme for january also.
its "THEIR" you muppet :p
its late....:nuts:
Despite the smileys I still take offence at what you've said but I'll let it go :p
Thank Christ for that, for a minute there I thought you were gonna come round and open that can o whoop-ass on me.........
163 posts down the line ... time to put my 2 penneth in ....
tomorrow will see a new thread for 2007, fleshed out and explained for you all. new theme for january also.
..... Thank heavens for that! :D
Good looking forward to having a new theme.
Dark Star
06-01-2007, 09:09
Ha - the theme should evilly reflect this thread: "Choices" or "Debate" or "Indecision" - That'll learn us!!!:lol:
OK still waiting for the new theme, have read the new rules and wanting to get started been the weekend and all.
Magellan
06-01-2007, 10:47
:agree:
Still waiting, any news as to when we get the theme we can get started on the photoos.
I think Matty is having the final say on the shortlisted few that he posted in the mods room, and he promised to post them as soon as he gets back from Asda.
Thats fine, just it is the weekend and it is the first time I have had a weekend at home with nothing to do for months and months, thought might be able to get some ideas going.
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