Canon 7D Leaked? [Archive] - Talk Photography

grumpybadger

31-08-2009, 06:55

Not sure why an xD model has to be FF. The 1DIII isn't.

There's lots of rumours flying around and an announcement expected tomorrow. Think that makes it deserve the 7D is:

1. Significantly better AF designed to work better on moving targets
2. To try and lift the profile of the camera and make it a more obvious competitor to the D300.

I think it could make a great 2nd body to a 1-series if they can get decent quality out of such a high res sensor - we'll have to wait and see.

Love the idea of 100% viewfinder and with a 1x magnification, it should be pretty big and bright.

Certainly won't be buying one at launch but if the better AF delivers, it could be a great upgrade to the 50D for the sports and nature bods...

Grumpidad

31-08-2009, 07:02

Leaked in http://www.canonrumors.com/ two days ago!!

Now part way down the page.

coldpenguin

31-08-2009, 07:39

A lot of the rumours now seem to think it is 1.45 crop, not 1.6. This makes me wonder at first whether it was so good for wildlife. But then, you could crop in PP as well as in camera.

grumpybadger

31-08-2009, 08:03

I have to say that I'm still not convinced by the crop argument. I can crop my 1DsII to 100% and still get very usable pictures as the pixels are large and as its full frame, they don't put too much demand on the lens.

I can't do the same with the 50D, even with my 500 prime so a lot of that cropping benefit goes away.

For me, the reason the 7D (if the rumours are right) looks like a good wildlife camera is that the AF should be much improved, but then I'm not a small bird specialist.

coldpenguin

31-08-2009, 08:48

Hmm, you might be right, but I can't afford the £5k on a 500mm lens to test with.
Need to borrow one

KayJay

31-08-2009, 08:55

Also sounds more like a 60D than a 7D to me. Surely a xD model would be full frame rather than crop.

I've read in several places that it is meant to be the 60D, but they're dropping that XXD naming convention to avoid consumer confusion with Nikon models.

hyakuhei

31-08-2009, 09:13

I've read in several places that it is meant to be the 60D, but they're dropping that XXD naming convention to avoid consumer confusion with Nikon models.

That makes lots of sense

digitalfailure

31-08-2009, 09:22

I was sure I read somewhere when the 5dII was a rumor that the name 7D was still registered as a trade/copyright by Minolta (sony) from their days of the Dynax range.

The specs on that camera would appear to eclipse the 5DII in many areas, the focus system and the metering for a start are both almost equivalent to the 1D and dual digic 4's over the 5D :eek:

neil_g

31-08-2009, 10:19

i feel my credit card quivering with fear...

coldpenguin

31-08-2009, 10:38

If this is the '50d replacement' I had been hoping for, and if it can be landed for my trip in October, I already have agreement from SWMBO :)
It is almost exactly what I wanted. I was concerned about a lack of flash, anf obviously, I hope (as it is one of my main reasons), that ISO at 1600 is decent (compared to a 400d at 400 hopefully equal?)

31-08-2009, 10:49

Hmmm.... looks like it could be a cracking camera.

buckas

31-08-2009, 11:03

sounds like a nice camera :)

If this is the '50d replacement' I had been hoping for, and if it can be landed for my trip in October, I already have agreement from SWMBO :)
It is almost exactly what I wanted. I was concerned about a lack of flash, anf obviously, I hope (as it is one of my main reasons), that ISO at 1600 is decent (compared to a 400d at 400 hopefully equal?)

on-board flashes are always crap imo, get a external flash :thumbs:

31-08-2009, 11:09

It looks like a significant step to what would be my ideal camera - 1 Series features in a 1.6X crop body. The twin processors can only be good for colour, speed, and probably noise processing too.

I think it could have a hefty price tag though compared to previos XXD models.

31-08-2009, 11:21

grumpybadger

31-08-2009, 11:24

I reckon at £1200 after a few months it will be a worthy upgrade to a 50D...

31-08-2009, 11:29

It does look nice Paul. I'll wait and see as I'd probably have to get two. :gag:

digitalfailure

31-08-2009, 11:31

The box just looks like a piece of paper over a box tbh, If those specs are that of a new model, they've just killed the 5DII

31-08-2009, 11:33

The box just looks like a piece of paper over a box tbh, If those specs are that of a new model, they've just killed the 5DII

I don't see that at all Brian. The 5DII is full frame - different cameras aimed at different users. :shrug:

grumpybadger

31-08-2009, 11:53

It does look nice Paul. I'll wait and see as I'd probably have to get two. :gag:

We might have the same problem (plus there will be a 1DIV at some point too) :gag:

31-08-2009, 12:06

LOL. These new models are coming out at a scarey rate now! It wouldn't be so bad if you could dismiss the new features as window dressing but it doesn't seem that way.

ding76uk

31-08-2009, 12:31

Really interested in this Camera! Low light quality and focusing are the main things for me, will be interesting to see what happens with this. Have all the FF claims been discounted now? Seems like Sony have dropped a bomb by their new cheaper FF, interesting to see what Canon show tomorrow. 1.45 crop could be a pain though, as shoot fisheye, and don't know of a full frame fish for a 1.45 crop except the 10-17 zoom, but prefer prime.

dazzajl

31-08-2009, 12:35

31-08-2009, 12:53

"IF" canon were to launch a camera with a 1.45 crop, can you really see them going forward with 4 different sensor sizes? Surely not.

So, "IF" they were to ditch one of the current sensors then surely it's the 1.3. So where would the 1d series go, up or down???

I can't see Canon intrducing yet another sensor size. The 1.3 sensor has nothing but disadvantages mostly for me, although perhaps some sports togs would bemoan the loss of the wider FOV if Canon dropped the format.

The logical step does seem to be to introduce the full 1 Series 45 point AF focusing into a 1.6 crop body along with weather sealing and the rest of it.

andrewc

31-08-2009, 12:54

We just have to wait until tomorrow until a possible official announcement.

1D features in a x1.6 body sounds good!

x1.45 sound strange - yet another size sounds a strange idea.

Raymond Lin

31-08-2009, 14:19

The box just looks like a piece of paper over a box tbh, If those specs are that of a new model, they've just killed the 5DII

You'd think that, but i don't need the following for what i do (portraits and weddings):-

1 - 8fps
2 - dual Digic IV, the 5Dii processes photos fast enough, even 21mp raw

The only thing i'd like and always have is the better AF (not that i have trouble with it), that's it really. The viewfinder on the 5Dii is very bright already (this won't be brighter as it is cropped still). Anyway, sports and wild life photographers will get the 7D, and people like me will get the 5D where FF is the priority.

Different camera for different work, i might sell my 30D and get the 7D though to cover both lol :p It'll still be cheaper than getting a 1DsMKiii.

minky_monkey

31-08-2009, 14:26

Want one......:D

POAH

31-08-2009, 14:35

not likely at 1.45 crop and certainly not at 1.6 since it will still have smaller photosites hence more noise.

The box just looks like a piece of paper over a box tbh, If those specs are that of a new model, they've just killed the 5DII

strobemonkey

31-08-2009, 14:59

Wow sounds great!!!

It still doesn't have the feature I want which is AUTO HDR.

Ok.. I'm ready to take the Flame!!!

Xup

31-08-2009, 15:02

Lot of info here,

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php%3Ff%3D244%26t%3D1211890&ei=jqWbStTEItiCkQWC3vGrAg&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E5%259C%2596%25E5%2583%258F%25E6%2 584%259F%25E6%2587%2589%25E5%2599%25A8%25E5%25B0%2 5BA%25E5%25AF%25B8%25E7%2582%25BA22.3%25C3%259714. 9%25E6%25AF%25AB%25E7%25B1%25B3%25EF%25BC%258C%25E 6%258B%258D%25E6%2594%259D%25E8%25A6%2596%25E8%25A 7%2592%25E7%259B%25B8%25E7%2595%25B6%25E6%2596%25B C%25E9%258F%25A1%25E9%25A0%25AD%25E7%2584%25A6%25E 8%25B7%259D%25E7%259A%2584%25E7%25B4%25841.6%25E5% 2580%258D%25E3%2580%2582%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfire fox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D9W4

coldpenguin

31-08-2009, 15:03

on-board flashes are always crap imo, get a external flash :thumbs:

Yes, but I would like to take the camera away for some nice images on holiday. I have gotten a flash for that.
However in the evenings, it would be nice to get some snaps, and an on-board flash would be less conspicuous than a massive 580!
For an amateur like me, its nice to have a decent camera, which can be used 'simply' (by the wife?) when necassary

coldpenguin

31-08-2009, 15:07

Some more info here with images of the boxed product so it does look pretty genuine. Hints on price too albeit in US dollars.

CLICK (http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/08/28/canon.eos.7d.box.and.price/)

I think that is the cropped picture of the korean posters. Best-Buy USA apparently had the UAN on at $1699. There are some more believable pictures of a white coloured box knocking around.

digitalfailure

31-08-2009, 17:31

You'd think that, but i don't need the following for what i do (portraits and weddings):-

1 - 8fps
2 - dual Digic IV, the 5Dii processes photos fast enough, even 21mp raw

Now up until this weekend I'd have said that I too wouldn't have held that as a high priority, but after viewing some rather dynamic wedding shots where the bride and maids were jumping up in the air and the groom and his men were "buzzing" the camera the 100% increase in frames per second would have been sure to capture more images of which just one might have been the killer shot, tis the law of averages really :)

I have a 5d and tbh, i'm not sure if I'd be that bothered about a crop factor if I could still get the image quality, sure my lenses would be a little narrower, but I'm really not sure you'd notice much of a difference on the stuff I shoot, sometimes I dare say it'd be a bonus because of the poor focus point placement on the 5 I tend to get loads of wasted headroom if I shoot portrait and dont have the time to recompose.

HoppyUK

31-08-2009, 18:37

This all looks very good indeed :) Gonna have to get me one of these :thumbs:

Am I the only one excited by the new lenses? 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS has got to be the perfect walkabout lens. And an 18-135 IS to further bolster Canon's standard-zoom range. Then 100 macro with hybrid IS that works at macro range - that is going to be sharp :eek:

George

31-08-2009, 18:39

this is interesting if you can chew though it..........http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/08/eos-7d-press-release/#more-2538

George

31-08-2009, 20:14

this is interesting if you can chew though it..........http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/08/eos-7d-press-release/#more-2538

George

Damn -that's hard work innit? :D

George

31-08-2009, 20:20

After a quick look in the thread, this image's metadata is interesting..http://www.backfocus.es/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/IMG_1325.JPG

It shows it's been taken with a 7D.
Or can it be faked??

coldpenguin

31-08-2009, 20:27

Raw/Exif can be faked relatively easily.
Think about geotagging from external sources as an example as how.

That photo had been debunked on one of the other forums, as having had some serious noise reduction done on it.

Also, unfortunately, some sources state that the Best Buy sales system list the price as being $2699, not $1699
2699 seems very expensive, whereas, unless it truly is $=£, 1699 seems a bit cheap.

Also, nice though that picture is, aren't there a lot of dead pixels?

31-08-2009, 20:28

After a quick look in the thread, this image's metadata is interesting..http://www.backfocus.es/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/IMG_1325.JPG

It shows it's been taken with a 7D.
Or can it be faked??

I suppose you can fake anything, but that image looks to have very strange texture to me as though some sort of NR has been done it. I sincerely hope it's not from the 7D anyway!

George

31-08-2009, 20:32

Oh well, let's see in the next few days, Cedric!!

31-08-2009, 20:35

Oh well, let's see in the next few days, Cedric!!
I was really happy with the 50D! Bugger- it is looking good!

HoppyUK

31-08-2009, 20:39

After a quick look in the thread, this image's metadata is interesting..http://www.backfocus.es/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/IMG_1325.JPG

It shows it's been taken with a 7D.
Or can it be faked??

I think it's the real thing. Everything sounds plausible and fits, plus it would be an amazingly elaborate (and pointless?) hoax.

Pro-spec APS-C camera, super AF, fast drive, trick metering, weather proofed etc etc. Canon's answer to Nikon D300, plus upped the ante on the pixels. Sounds wicked ;)

Has Canon made a breakthough on noise handling? :thinking:

Edit: I meant that the 7D rumours sound legit, not necessarily the pic in the link above!

George

31-08-2009, 20:40

Ahem, yes, rather.....:clap::clap:
And the new AF will be interesting, wait till Galbraith gets on to this one.....

HoppyUK

31-08-2009, 20:43

Ahem, yes, rather.....:clap::clap:
And the new AF will be interesting, wait till Galbraith gets on to this one.....

Oh dear, I'd forgotten him. (Bet Canon hasn't :lol: )

will69

31-08-2009, 20:44

this is interesting if you can chew though it..........http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/08/eos-7d-press-release/#more-2538

George

I love the start where he says "be sure to click more" ... what!!!!:bonk:

will69

31-08-2009, 20:47

31-08-2009, 20:51

I hope we're not disappointed. I read somewhere that a Digic 1V processor beats two Digic 3 processors and this wil be the first camera from Canon other than a 1 Series to have twin processors - both Digic 1V at that!

It looks like this heralds a new level of camera slotted between the 50D and the 1 Series, with the the 50D probably continuing in production?

George

31-08-2009, 20:54

Well, my Canon contact has been strangely quiet over the last few days :shrug::shrug:

digitalfailure

31-08-2009, 20:54

Well I really hope it's all true.

I'm trying to decide if I should replace my aging 5d with a 5dII or a 1dIII, if those specs are right and the performance is as shown....i'll be saving some cash and getting the 7d

coldpenguin

31-08-2009, 21:27

I think it's the real thing. Everything sounds plausible and fits, plus it would be an amazingly elaborate (and pointless?) hoax.

Here's a pic from my new PenguinCam, V1. Its going on sale next week, ~£1500
This is ISO 128000, scaled down of course to fit with the forum's rules

;)

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/img_4532_cr2.jpg (http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=66625)

Only joking of course, but elaborate this isn't (if anyone wants to check the Exif, of course, if you look at the exif of the 7d picture, it is from Photoshop, not that I am insinuating anything)

HoppyUK

31-08-2009, 21:56

Here's a pic from my new PenguinCam, V1. Its going on sale next week, ~£1500
This is ISO 128000, scaled down of course to fit with the forum's rules

<snip pic>

Only joking of course, but elaborate this isn't (if anyone wants to check the Exif, of course, if you look at the exif of the 7d picture, it is from Photoshop, not that I am insinuating anything)

I meant that the 7D rumour seems legit, not necessarily the pic previously linked in post #41!

But if you have a pic of the PenguinCam VI, that would be cool ;)

swanseamale47

31-08-2009, 22:13

I meant that the 7D rumour seems legit, not necessarily the pic previously linked in post #41!

But if you have a pic of the PenguinCam VI, that would be cool ;)

Wonder if it looks like a 7D?

Raymond Lin

31-08-2009, 22:52

Now up until this weekend I'd have said that I too wouldn't have held that as a high priority, but after viewing some rather dynamic wedding shots where the bride and maids were jumping up in the air and the groom and his men were "buzzing" the camera the 100% increase in frames per second would have been sure to capture more images of which just one might have been the killer shot, tis the law of averages really :)

I have a 5d and tbh, i'm not sure if I'd be that bothered about a crop factor if I could still get the image quality, sure my lenses would be a little narrower, but I'm really not sure you'd notice much of a difference on the stuff I shoot, sometimes I dare say it'd be a bonus because of the poor focus point placement on the 5 I tend to get loads of wasted headroom if I shoot portrait and dont have the time to recompose.

But canon doesn't make an equivalent 16-35 2.8 on crop....:(

daugirdas

31-08-2009, 23:15

Just to add my disappointment... I was really hoping for an affordable full frame (what Sony effectively did with a850). I could only blame myself for not getting 5D 2 years ago. That was a great camera at an excellent price. Now I can't even get that. Great :)
On the other hand had I bought D300 2 years ago I would effectively have the same or better as the 7D 'nonsense' - but with 51 AF points and cheaper.
While 40D is a good camera, the focusing is really behind the competitors. It can't track any subject moving towards the camera, and accuracy with f/2.8 is not that good always (so I've been using liveview MF on tripod for landscapes). 10MP is all right, but for printing larger you always want more.
What is even more silly is the rumored buffer size of this 7d. I can't believe 15 frames at 8fps. 40D can do 17 at 6.5fps which is actually more useful most of the time. 19AF points is really gimmick. Only the centre point will be extra sensitive with f/2.8 lenses.
To be honest I'd think well before paying £600 for body only.

Perhaps 1Ds mk2s may be a good deal shortly, maybe 1D mk3, or even 5D...

P-E

01-09-2009, 06:19

Well the 7D is official.

EdBray

01-09-2009, 06:22

Ahem, yes, rather.....:clap::clap:
And the new AF will be interesting, wait till Galbraith gets on to this one.....

Galbraith's take with images, menus and full spec (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10042-10239)

tiler65

01-09-2009, 06:28

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=19356

Freester

01-09-2009, 07:10

Ooh exciting. Was thinking about a 50D or 5D Mk II. Maybe this is the answer.

coldpenguin

01-09-2009, 07:12

It doesn't look too bad. shipping date is tight for me!

gwgw

01-09-2009, 07:19

Looks pretty good,i was thinking of changing to nikon might not have to now:nuts: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0909/09090105canoneos7d.asp

barneyrubble

01-09-2009, 07:26

Not wanting to start a fight or anything, but it looks a little like a D300s clone but with 18MP.

Wonder what the noise handling wil be like :coat::coat:

mstphoto

01-09-2009, 07:37

Whenever I read about new models being launched my "Must have syndrom" kicks in but now I have called it a day - no more for me. Started with a 300D to a 30D then a 40D, a 400D for work and now a 5D Mk2 and regretting not going for a 1D mk3. Don't ask me why because I don't know myself. Looking at some of my images taken with my 300D and kit lens, they are pretty damn good.

What I did find interesting though was the 100mm 2.8L Macro. I bet a lot of macro togs are going to love this.