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Hiya all, i am getting my Nikon D700 in a few weeks time, i have just been warned off the D700 because of there being a heavy crop between what you see in the view finder and what you get a photo of
this sound well annoying, is it true and how hard it is to get your head around?
boyfalldown
31-08-2009, 13:33
depends what you mean by heavy, the d700 viewfinder is only 95%, which can through you off compositonally. Its never caused me problems but I know others on here have had issues as a result. I don't think its a big crop, but others on here will disagree with me
Hugh
It's a 95% image within the viewfinder, which doesn't strike me as a "heavy" crop. I found it slightly annoying. Not enough to put me off getting a D700 though. There must be a thousand other reasons for getting/not getting one and the image crop must be somewhere near the bottom of the list.
Is it a 'central' crop? (if you get what I mean)
Do you mean a heavy crop if using a DX lens? As I read it reduces the effective pixels from 12.1 Meg to 5.1 if you don't use an FX lens is this true:shrug:
Very few finders have a 100% view, the 95% doesn't bother me in the slightest, might do a quick test for you now...
:thinking: I could understand it if you saw more in the viewfinder than you are getting, but at 5% less, its not really a problem, surely? On the otherhand, if as someone mentioned, you have only DX lenses, then yes, you have a problem, and is the reason I haven't been pushing Mr Yv for a D700 over my D300, because there is more expence than just the body, I would need to change a couple of lenses too.
Look upon the 95% view in the finder as a bit of elbow room. we all wished we had some at some point or another. No reason to back away from the D700
Nikon pro bodies tend to have a 100% viewfinder - I think it makes a difference.
Photo of a 12x8 print.
I left a slither around the photo to be sure I wasn't too close.
Should have used the tripod so ignore any offset it's my dodgy technique.
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/cyclone_2008_photos/talk%20photo/DSC_0764.jpg
cyclone, I think what might help the OP is knowing how much of that image you could see in the viewfinder when you took the shot?
I filled the finder with the photo...
Thats what I said in the second line of the post.
ah ok, sorry, I didn't read it like that, so basically most of the basketwork is the 'extra'...doesn't look too bad to me, definately not a reason to shy away from a D700, elbow room :thumbs:
Yep, I was trying for white but couldn't find any blutac so I went for a chair instead :D
Ah i see, so instead of seeing an image in the viewfinder, taking the photo and realising the elbow had been chopped off... you are actually getting a bit MORE than you saw in teh viewfinder
well that doesnt seem to bad at all, surely you can just crop out the bit you doing want in PP
Sounds to me like a very silly reason not to buy the best camera in its class on the market.
Haha, should have realised what you meant!
Yes getting less than what you see would be an absolute nightmare.
Actually having a bit of room to play with is often very helpful.:cool:
I've just got my D700, and loving it big time :thumbs:
nice to hear Treeman, mines going to be here in a few weeks time! very very exciting!
I am also going to get a wide lens at the same time, though i am interested in picking up the Sigma 80-200 as i read on another thread that it had ace reviews! the price is SO much better too!
I would like a wide one but i am confused as to which one to get, something that gives you a bit of a curve but can be used as a general lens would be perfect, something designed for FF :)
I really wanted the Nikon 17-35 /2.8 but price forced me to take the Tamron near equivalent, very fun at 17mm :D It spends a lot of its time attached to the D700. Not sure it can really be used as a general lens really though 35mm on FX is still pretty wide.
Feeb - congrats on the D700. :)
Did you decide to go straight for the D700 rather than the D300?
Thanks.
dinorock
31-08-2009, 16:59
100% on a D300 :thumbs: what you see is what you get
Yeah i have been chatting with the other half and i have decided to buy a D700 with a decent slightly wide angle lens that i can use for general purpose until chrimbo when i can afford to get a 80-200mm OR the Sigma 70-200mm as i have been told the difference isnt that severe and the price drop certainly is!
100% on a D300 :thumbs: what you see is what you get
How does that compare with a D200?
According to DP Review:
D200 Viewfinder: 'Frame coverage 95%'
: )
So the same as the D700 then? That's reassuring :D
(so my next upgrade would have to be the D700...)
95% coverage only seems a good idea if you don't want to see the whole picture! :D Just one of the reasons I chose a D3 over the D700 (there were lots of others).
dinorock
31-08-2009, 17:46
How does that compare with a D200?
dont know i had a D50 before that :lol::lol: sorry i took so long to answer my internet connection is crap tonight its dropped of about six times now
95% coverage only seems a good idea if you don't want to see the whole picture! :D Just one of the reasons I chose a D3 over the D700 (there were lots of others).
I'm not sure being deprived of 5% finder coverage would convince me to buy a D3 :D
But then again, I don't work to such high tolerances...
as I said - just one of the reasons . . .
ditchdigger
31-08-2009, 22:39
never worried me i mostly crop when editing anyway
if you can get all your compositions correct with the camera everytime i consider you a genius
as long as your not loseing i see no problem
ricky1981
01-09-2009, 08:41
never worried me i mostly crop when editing anyway
if you can get all your compositions correct with the camera everytime i consider you a genius
as long as your not loseing i see no problem
my sentiments exactly, it's hardly as if losing 0.6MP (5%) is a problem when you are starting with 12MP. I like having a little extra cushion and can't think of a single time I have found the lack of a 100% viewfinder to be an issue.
puddleduck
01-09-2009, 08:44
The D300 is 100%, and the D700 95% but look through both and everyone will prefer the bigger, brighter D700 viewfinder.
i get most of my compositions correct in the camera, its what the viewfinder is For surely... but i am not going to be put off buying a camera just because of that reason - seems very silly to me!
i get most of my compositions correct in the camera,
Then you're a hell of a lot better than me! :lol:
The D700 is a useless camera.
Shoddy construction.
Poor quality components.
Careless finishing.
Dodgy electronics.
Inaccurate shutter speeds.
Poor focussing.
Nasty lens mount.
Wobbly buttons.
Poor screen.
Dodgy flash.
Delivers poor quality pictures.
Too heavy.
If you have a D700, you need to get rid if it as fast as you can for whatever money you can get for it........................... offer it to me first!:D:D:D
BlackCloud
04-09-2009, 07:26
I do like the 100% of my D300 but I have to remember to compose 'wider' or for a greater area anyway, because when you print you invariably end up cropping to fit the ratio of A3 paper or whatever anyway. Compose too tight in a viewfinder and you are stuffed on this when it comes to make your picture fit a particular printing paper.
I have been contemplating a D700 for a while, and although I don't fully agree with kavKav, he does raise some points. I have seen a number of people posting with defective D700's, autofocus issues, people buying the first from a shop and having to take it back to get one that works properly...maybe there are some D700 issues. I'd hardly say it delivers poor quality pictures, some of the other points I wouldn't know about, but all components and internals are built to a price in cameras, cars etc, rarely over-engineered so yes, maybe Nikon have cut costs they may not do on a D3?
:$Errrr... My posting 'D700 is a useless camera' was totally 'tongue-in-cheek':$ so please do not take my comments seriously as it is an excellent camera.
I have had the D700, sold it and definitely missed it!:'(
BlackCloud
04-09-2009, 08:34
Sorry, yes, reading too fast,! :) ...but if you look around the forums there are a few tales of failed D700's and not something I am used to seeing generally with Nikon.
The D700 is a useless camera.
Shoddy construction.
Poor quality components.
Careless finishing.
Dodgy electronics.
Inaccurate shutter speeds.
Poor focussing.
Nasty lens mount.
Wobbly buttons.
Poor screen.
Dodgy flash.
Delivers poor quality pictures.
Too heavy.
If you have a D700, you need to get rid if it as fast as you can for whatever money you can get for it........................... offer it to me first!:D:D:D
:lol: This made me look twice :lol: :clap:
Edward Bancroft
04-09-2009, 12:15
Yes, the image in the viewfinder of a D700 is smaller by 5% of overall area, but I find this to be of no great issue. I mainly take shots of moving and sports subjects, for which the D700 is the tops by virtue of its multiple focusing modes, programmable menu banks, fast focus, high frame rate, and low light capabilities.
I suppose that if you are a meticulous scenic photographer, or perhaps a technical subject tog, then the viewfinder might be something to put you off. The simple solution, though could be to take a test shot and review it on screen, or to use a live view mode.
I also have a D40x (100% view) and the D700's bigger, brighter viewfinder is much preferred.
Ed
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