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or Canon 28-300 f4L IS. Thoughts and opinions? :)
Ive got the 2.8IS and love it...
If you have the option hire then both for a weekend and see how you get on, otherwise, personally id opt for the f2.8IS, its more versatile and if you get the f4IS, im sure at some stage you will end up regretting it and thinking you would have been able to get a better shot with the f2.8IS...
The f4 is half the weight.. that may be a factor if you plan to use it as a walkabout lens, though i dont find the f2.8IS at all heavy.
Good point on the weight - I didn't realise there was that much difference. :thumbs:
Not that weight is the main consideration at all. :)
Don't know the 28-300 but in love with the 70-200 2.8is.....Heard a lot of comments on the weight and this being my first "BIGBOY" lens I was a little worried before it arrived......However, I don't find it a problem, I can and have used this all day. I love it!
Jonnyreb
02-05-2007, 09:56
Good point on the weight - I didn't realise there was that much difference. :thumbs:
Not that weight is the main consideration at all. :)
I cant compare and contrast CT as i dont have the 28-300. But, the 70-200 is simply awesome. It is a heavy load though so i do tend to take the monopod with it, but this has never stopped me considering taking it out and its also coming to Marrakech with me next week.
Did i mention Sharp..........? ;)
I cant compare and contrast CT as i dont have the 28-300. But, the 70-200 is simply awesome. It is a heavy load though so i do tend to take the monopod with it, but this has never stopped me considering taking it out and its also coming to Marrakech with me next week.
Did i mention Sharp..........? ;)
:agree: it's a gorgeous piece of glass.
I can't help but think that although the 28-300 has an L badge something somewhere will have had to be compromised as its waaayyy above the "golden" 3x ratio that zoom lenses conform to (its > 10x :eek: )
Didn't realise you'd managed to get away with that with 'er indoors Ken! :D
Yes I do lean towards the 70-200 cos I know it's reputation and the speed can't be bad. If you look at the little gap in my lens range you'll see why I'm considering the 28-300 although in all honesty it's not a gap that bothers me much given the usual stuff I do.
None of this would be really necessary if in a moment of pure madness I hadn't got my missus interested in photography. I'd rather not duplicate the 100-400L which obviously gets used a lot so the 70-200 makes a lot of sense when you consider it's possibilites with the converters too, and AF will still work on both bodies.
It is a heavy load though so i do tend to take the monopod with it,
Frankly I've been amazed how much difference the monopod has made to the number of sharp shots I'm getting, and the weight is no problem so you don't have to convince me.
I've always mistrusted monopds as a sort of 'halfway house' naff solution, but how wrong can you be? Old dogs.. new tricks. :D
Am thinking of getting the 70-200L 2.8 IS USM today with a 2x convertor!
Jonnyreb
02-05-2007, 10:17
Frankly I've been amazed how much difference the monopod has made to the number of sharp shots I'm getting, and the weight is no problem so you don't have to convince me.
I've always mistrusted monopds as a sort of 'halfway house' naff solution, but how wrong can you be? Old dogs.. new tricks. :D
Me too CT - but it makes a perfect combo with my little fold up fishing chair ;). The 70-200 also has the 3g IS that senses tri-/ monopod attachment. You'd be amazed at the number of shots I've ballsed up on the 300 that doesn't!
Hades - dont think, man. SPEND :D
LOL. The 70-200 comes with the tripod collar?
The only thing that gets me sometimes (although i'm getting used to it now) is the focus switch for distance.
Only just recently purchased the 70-200 IS 2.8 and went out with it for the first time last Saturday.........quite impressed with it :)
I can't help but think that although the 28-300 has an L badge something somewhere will have had to be compromised as its waaayyy above the "golden" 3x ratio that zoom lenses conform to (its > 10x :eek: )
I tend to agree - bit too much of a stretch probably :)
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Johnny1982
02-05-2007, 10:31
24 - 70 F2.8 + 70 - 200 F2.8 IS
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The only thing that gets me sometimes (although i'm getting used to it now) is the focus switch for distance.
LOL yeah that's common to a lot of the longer lenses - I have those on the 500 (3 postions!) and two positions on the 180 macro and the 100-400. It's easy to have the wrong one set innit! :lol:
It does speed up focusing and saves a lot of hunting around though if you have the right one set - and saves a lot of battery drain driving the AF system.
24 - 70 F2.8 + 70 - 200 F2.8 IS
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Brevity is the soul of wit but it can be overdone. :thinking:
:D
I can't wait to get my 70-200, ordered last week from Kerso, should hopefully be here soon :D
Are the buttons recessed? - I find it too easy to knock the switches accidentally on the 300 & I then spen ages wondering whats gone wrong :cuckoo::lol:
Hades - dont think, man. SPEND :D
Just have. Got it from warehouseexpress.com - 70-200L and a 2 x EF II Extender.
Jonnyreb
02-05-2007, 14:24
Just have. Got it from warehouseexpress.com - 70-200L and a 2 x EF II Extender.
WOOAAAHHHHH - get a quote from Kerso and save yourself a couple of hundred notes. PM him for a price at the very least.
:oops: nearer £300 methinks :eek:
Have a long standing agreement with Warehouseexpress to be honest so its not been all bad. Delivery tomorrow, can't wait!
is this really a difficult decision, definately the 70-200. Ive tried one out and i was honestly in love. CT im from the midlands too, so i might have to rent it on the cheap from you :thumbs:
Jonnyreb
02-05-2007, 16:15
Have a long standing agreement with Warehouseexpress to be honest so its not been all bad. Delivery tomorrow, can't wait!
Fair enough - would be interested to hear how you get on with the x2 as well. More than likely my next purchase after Carole's testimony.....
malla1962
02-05-2007, 16:17
or Canon 28-300 f4L IS. Thoughts and opinions? :)Whats a 28-300f4Lis,thats a new one to me.:thinking:
Jonnyreb
02-05-2007, 16:19
Whats a 28-300f4Lis,thats a new one to me.:thinking:
its a relatively new lens http://www.canon.ee/products/about.asp?id=1185
malla1962
02-05-2007, 16:30
its a relatively new lens http://www.canon.ee/products/about.asp?id=1185Gotcha,
thats the one that replaced the 35-350,the 70-200Lis is lighter than the 28-300.;) It was the f4 thing that threw me.;)
i got the 70-200mm f2.8 IS its much lighter then my sigma 50-500mm even with a converter fitted so i think this is a light lens.
Check my A1 GP pics in my in the transport section they where taken with it on a 30d.
Just have. Got it from warehouseexpress.com - 70-200L and a 2 x EF II Extender.
Let us know how the 2x goes with this lens please.
I've just ordered the same lens with EF 1.4 II
I totally misread the opening post... :p...
Thought you were choosing between the 70-200f4IS and f2.8IS...
Im a bit thick... mainly in the early mornings... and the late evenings...
In fact thinking about it.... hmm... im not all that bright thru the day either...:wave: :bonk:
You know my views on my 70-200mm f2.8IS CT - I love the beast!! Works a treat with the 2x as well - so long as you get the focus bang on with it there's barely any drop in quality IMO.
Just buy the thing - you know you want to!!
Im a bit thick... mainly in the early mornings... and the late evenings...
In fact thinking about it.... hmm... im not all that bright thru the day either...:wave: :bonk:
Well it didn't help matters me thinking it was a constant f4. I wonder where I got that from. :thinking:
You know my views on my 70-200mm f2.8IS CT - I love the beast!! Works a treat with the 2x as well - so long as you get the focus bang on with it there's barely any drop in quality IMO.
Just buy the thing - you know you want to!!
LOL. Just gotta find the wonga! :D
LOL. Just gotta find the wonga! :D
ROFL - I have every faith that you'll manage!! :D
ROFL - I have every faith that you'll manage!! :D
Visit Egypt, sell Jan for a few Camels, flog the Camels on ebay for a few quid.
That'll mean you dont need the monopod nor the extra body so back onto ebay with em'... bit of faith and creative accounting... no probs ;)
Just need a blind Egyptian now then. :lol:
:coat:
... so you're sleeping on the sofa tonight then?
Hmmm I always wake up with a real crick in me neck when I do that. :(
:help:
I MAG images
03-05-2007, 09:27
Defo 70-200L is. If you went for the 28-300L is it would make you lazy and you would only take one camera out with you:lol:
i've got the 70-200 2.8 IS....its a great lens. Its a bit wasted in my bag as i only use it rarely. tempted sometimes to trade it for the 85mm f1.2.
its heavy. but nice.
Since my sigma went tits up I've been thinking of just going for this one as well. The weatherproofing is the thing that appeals to me most although the new F4 also has it and is supposed to be the dogs bits.
Well I've had a nice fat cheque through the post this morning from the endowment part of our mortagage. :D
I've already committed to changing the car out of what's left after we pay the mortgage off. Just need to work out what else we can juggle around and fiddle out of it. ;)
Thanks for all the input, the 70-200 does seem to make the most sense. :thumbs:
antonroland
03-05-2007, 14:10
Must agree with JR and others - 70-200 is fab and to be honest I also have NO experience of the 28-300 although my gut feel say the zoom range is too much.
Have read a (local) review which criticized it (28-300) for being very front heavy at 300 and it creeps easily...:thinking: :shrug:
Although on a 1Dmkiin I suppose it could be a wonderful allrounder if you could live with the c/a
antonroland
03-05-2007, 14:17
I am sure you have figured out the I/S mode switch on your other lenses then, yes?
This review isn't too encouraging on the 28-300 actually.
CLICKY (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/Canon-28-300.shtml)
antonroland
03-05-2007, 15:10
Ta for that 1 CT, will have looksie later, bit pressed for time now!:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
photostar_1
03-05-2007, 15:26
Well I've only had my set up for a short while....but it's hardly been off the camera since! I do find it a bit heavy though, so am going to get a monopod/head. I find I never use the tripod out of the garden as I feel a complete plonker setting it up if anywhere vaugely public. I'm also a bit nervous of getting bopped over the head and robbed (again) so only go out with it when in company, but I'm sure that's not an issue for you chaps around here :) I know lens accumulation is a bit of a challenge to the wallet....but you deserve the best, so go for it and live on baked beans for a while!!
Jonnyreb
03-05-2007, 15:28
Well I've only had my set up for a short while....but it's hardly been off the camera since! I do find it a bit heavy though, so am going to get a monopod/head. I find I never use the tripod out of the garden as I feel a complete plonker setting it up if anywhere vaugely public. I'm also a bit nervous of getting bopped over the head and robbed (again) so only go out with it when in company, but I'm sure that's not an issue for you chaps around here :) I know lens accumulation is a bit of a challenge to the wallet....but you deserve the best, so go for it and live on baked beans for a while!!
I remember the days when I could afford bakedbeans :'(
ranarama
03-05-2007, 15:35
Was looking at this lens too but it's going to be out of budget for a while. How does it compare to the non-IS version? I've never had IS so will I miss it?
Jonnyreb
03-05-2007, 15:51
Was looking at this lens too but it's going to be out of budget for a while. How does it compare to the non-IS version? I've never had IS so will I miss it?
I very nearly bought the non-IS version but was pursuaded by a few members that i may as well spend the extra and get the IS. In terms of IQ they're identical and there have been a few times when IS has been invaluable. If you're going to spend big money, you may as well go for the IS I guess.:shrug:
You just can't put a value on IS, it's a huge asset even working off a tripod. You can actually see the image steady down in the viewfinder when you half press the shutter. I wish all my lenses were IS. I love my 180 macro but if Canon make an IS version of it, you'll see a grown man crying. :'(
I have an old 35/350, non IS obviously, just got a 100/400 IS and it is fantastic, thinking of selling the 35/350 now if only Canon did a 35/150ish IS at 2.8 . IS is indeed the doggys dangly bits!!
George
Since my sigma went tits up I've been thinking of just going for this one as well. The weatherproofing is the thing that appeals to me most although the new F4 also has it and is supposed to be the dogs bits.
Dod - I would have thought for the sort of stuff you do the 70-200mm f2.8IS would be an absolute cracker. I gather that they are a huge favourite of most "close quarters" motorcycle sport guys - certainly at speedway there's hardly a serious snapper working without one. :shrug:
CarlOgden
03-05-2007, 21:55
GET THE 70-200 IS USM L F2.8 LENS !!!!!!!
And that's all I have to say on the subject!!!!!! :D
But if you don't, get the 300 IS USM F2.8 L Lens cos that is the dogs.....
LOL. I hear ya! The 300 IS is a bridge too far for my finances but the 700-200 2.8 IS.... she is mine... very soon. :D
So its the camels and ebay then...
CT
also the 70-200 accepts converters the 28-300 doesn't
And theres £ 130 cash back on the 70-200 2.8L IS from canon at the moment
So 70-200 from Kerso + £130 Cashback = lots of savings
CT
also the 70-200 accepts converters the 28-300 doesn't
And theres £ 130 cash back on the 70-200 2.8L IS from canon at the moment
So 70-200 from Kerso + £130 Cashback = lots of savings
Good point on the converters - I'm getting the 2X with it. :woot:
Good point on the converters - I'm getting the 2X with it. :woot:
Cool, :thumbs:
busterboy
04-05-2007, 04:57
Good point on the converters - I'm getting the 2X with it. :woot:
Does that mean you bought one Cedric..:eek:
Can anyone post some pictures of the 70-200 f/2.8 IS with the 1.4x and 2x converters? Just want a look to see if theres a difference. Maybe tempted as a mate is goign back to HK and they are quite cheap over there.
Dod - I would have thought for the sort of stuff you do the 70-200mm f2.8IS would be an absolute cracker. I gather that they are a huge favourite of most "close quarters" motorcycle sport guys - certainly at speedway there's hardly a serious snapper working without one. :shrug:
I've tried IS at motocross and to be honest it didn't make a lot of difference. You tend to be swinging the lens so quickly that the benefit of IS isn't as much as you would expect. That was one of the reasons why I went for the sigma at the time.
However, the sealing would be a big benefit. If the non-IS version had it that's what I'd go for. It doesn't, so that's why I'm thinking seriously about the IS version now.
Can anyone post some pictures of the 70-200 f/2.8 IS with the 1.4x and 2x converters? Just want a look to see if theres a difference.
if you search the forum you will find previous posts, as its been done a few times.
The weather sealing is what turned me to the IS version, i did try the IS at the weekend at the track and i didnt think it made to much differance at the shutters i would have been using.
How ever i could go one or two stops lower, but the blurr'd effect was ott. So dury still out on the IS.
I have both converters, the 2x was delevier a few minutes ago, tested it looks good, stil focus's very fast, and looks sharp still. I have also stacked both TCs together still sharp and fast indoors, shall test properly at the weekend.
Does that mean you bought one Cedric..:eek:
It'll be next week Tim but it's s good as in me bag! :D
i did try the IS at the weekend at the track and i didnt think it made to much differance at the shutters i would have been using.
How ever i could go one or two stops lower, but the blurr'd effect was ott. So dury still out on the IS.
I think that's fair comment, although if you select the alternative AF Mode the system just stabilises vertically so you avoid up and down camera movement, although swinging the camera at motorsport speeds it's probably of negligable benefit.
For wildlife photography though IS is invaluable, particularly when the light levels are low - it just makes shots possible which wouldn't be without it.
I think that's fair comment, although if you select the alternative AF Mode the system just stabilises vertically so you avoid up and down camera movement, although swinging the camera at motorsport speeds it's probably of negligable benefit.
For wildlife photography though IS is invaluable, particularly when the light levels are low - it just makes shots possible which wouldn't be without it.
Tbh thats another reason why i stumped up more then what is was planing on the Canon IS over the stigma was that although most of my efforts are motorsport, i want todo the back stage stuff, and love todo abit of wildlife stuff. No time todo it all now, so all the the non IS would have meet my current needs, i could have seen myself wishing for the IS in a few months time.
I did consider the f4, but again not as versitle as the 2.8 at fitting TC's.
So when you stack the tCs together doe that mean its a 3x and also what does the f/2.8 become to ?
malla1962
04-05-2007, 10:13
Can anyone post some pictures of the 70-200 f/2.8 IS with the 1.4x and 2x converters? Just want a look to see if theres a difference. Maybe tempted as a mate is goign back to HK and they are quite cheap over there.
See if I have time later for you.;)
Jonnyreb
04-05-2007, 10:18
hmm - depends on whether the camera knows there are two converters....
Will either be 5.6 if it doesn't sense the x1.4 or 8 if it does.
let us know anyway :)
So when you stack the tCs together doe that mean its a 3x and also what does the f/2.8 become to ?
I've heard it said that with both converters stacked the system still reports the aperture as F8 and AF still works. I'll be happy to confirm that or otherwise when I get a chance to find out. :D That would be with a 1 Series camera obviously.
I've heard it said that with both converters stacked the system still reports the aperture as F8 and AF still works. I'll be happy to confirm that or otherwise when I get a chance to find out. :D That would be with a 1 Series camera obviously.
nope.
I have canon ones stacked 1.4x 2x (cant stack the other way around) = f5.6 AF still works on mine and is a 30d
malla1962
04-05-2007, 11:06
2 shots with 2X and 1 with 1.4X,tripod mounted,IS off all 100% crops.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/malla1962/IMG_8425-2.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/malla1962/IMG_8423.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/malla1962/IMG_8422.jpg
shiato storm
04-05-2007, 11:11
I carry the 70-200 and 24-70 in my bag all the time. last year I was travelling in Italy and didn't have it, just had 17-35, 24-70 and a 28-135...wish I'd had the reach of 200 though. use it for sports and stuff too.
malla1962
04-05-2007, 11:12
2X wide open on my 300F2.8.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/malla1962/IMG_8428-2.jpg
antonroland
04-05-2007, 11:52
2X wide open on my 300F2.8.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/malla1962/IMG_8428-2.jpg
:razz: :razz: :razz:
Oneday when I'm a big boy I will also have one of these...Have the 2x though
:D
antonroland
04-05-2007, 12:04
I've tried IS at motocross and to be honest it didn't make a lot of difference. You tend to be swinging the lens so quickly that the benefit of IS isn't as much as you would expect. That was one of the reasons why I went for the sigma at the time.
Which mode did you use on the I/S, 1,2 or did you try both?
I have both and to be honest I do not use either of them much as I have a 100-400 too!
My daily kit is 5D with 24-105 :) :) and 1DMk2n with the 100-400!
However, the 28-300 is an ideal holiday lense when you are limited on space etc for kit - the f/4 is a bit slow depending on lighting!
Build quality is superb and the range is mint - 10x zoom - picture quality is good for this type os lense - unfair to compare it against the 70-200!
Hope this helps!
right then, taken delivery of a brand spanking new 70-200L IS f/2.8 and a Canon EF 2x II - just need to get some time to go and take some pictures now!!! :S
busterboy
04-05-2007, 16:57
right then, taken delivery of a brand spanking new 70-200L IS f/2.8 and a Canon EF 2x II - just need to get some time to go and take some pictures now!!! :S
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Look forward to seeing the results here.:thumbs:
Jonnyreb
04-05-2007, 16:58
:thumbs: :) :clap:
I've tried IS at motocross and to be honest it didn't make a lot of difference. You tend to be swinging the lens so quickly that the benefit of IS isn't as much as you would expect. That was one of the reasons why I went for the sigma at the time.
However, the sealing would be a big benefit. If the non-IS version had it that's what I'd go for. It doesn't, so that's why I'm thinking seriously about the IS version now.
I'm with you on the IS Dod - mine spends more time off than on TBH - I only occasionally use it at speedway when I'm playing about trying shots out but usually for general stuff it's off. It sure as hell makes a different for more static shots though!! It's the sealing that really attracted me to it - like you I spend a lot of time through the summer coughing in the middle of clouds of dust so that seemed like a real benefit.
My 70-200 arrived from Kerso this morning - cheers mate in case you're reading this :thumbs: & I've taken it for a test run at the zoo - will post the result as as soon as I get a bit of time to myself - feels really wierd using a zoom as I'm definately a prime guy :lol:
Have a sports event I'm covering tomorrow & Sunday & the forecast is rain - definately be happy about the weatherproofing if the weather doesnt hold up.
Nice buy Cedric :thumbs: I tend to keep mine on the camera all the time, if the 24-70 is not on it.
Has it arrived yet then? :suspect:
Has it arrived yet then? :suspect:
LOL Doddy you're worse than me mate! Friday morning hopefully - in time for the weekend. Got everything crossed. ;)
LOL Doddy you're worse than me mate! Friday morning hopefully - in time for the weekend. Got everything crossed. ;)
You never know, I might just beat you to it ;) Sitting here with the card in one hand and the scissors in the other :lol:
You never know, I might just beat you to it ;) Sitting here with the card in one hand and the scissors in the other :lol:
:lol:JFDI!!!!:lol:
:lol:JFDI!!!!:lol:
:whistling: :whistling:
http://www.enduropics.com/dianesig/ML1W1105.jpg
LOL!!! :razz: Happy as a pig in chiffon Doddy? :D
Well It's arrived this morning! :D
First impressions, beautifully built as you'd expect for this much dough, not quite as heavy as the 100-400L, but it's no lightweight! Produces beautifully bright viewfinder images in the 1D even in this crap light and rain. AF is fast and positive.
Quick test shot - it would be rude not to...
http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/OY8N7011-01.jpg
153mm, 1/200 at f4, 800 ISO.
I love it already. Now the bad news is I don't have to time to play with it for a few days so gotta put it away. :'(:'(
Looking good there both of you!
I think the birdie is the better shot though ;)
Aww CT ... STOP IT!!!!!
I DO NOT WANT THIS LENS
I DO NOT WANT THIS LENS
.... okay so I bloody want one!!!!! :love: :love: :love:
.... Look forward to seeing some more! :thumbs:
JFDI Glo! :shrug: ;)
A monopod will definitely make this lens less tiring to use. I used one for this shot - the birds are ravenous this morning with all lthe heavy rain yesterday, so they're throwing caution to the wind a bit.
Joe, I think Doddy was just trying to tell me something with that shot. :lol:
Joe, I think Doddy was just trying to tell me something with that shot. :lol:
Hehe, nah, they were the only thing I saw even remotely interesting on the way home :lol:
Gave mine a good run out yesterday, slightly heavier than then sigma but still perfectly workable hand held from 10AM till 5 PM on the 1D :)
Oh definitely hand-holdable, but I find I'm getting a better return of sharper shots with the monopod and compared to a tripod it's no hassle to cart around.
antonroland
14-05-2007, 15:27
Itake it you are enjoying the lens then, eh CT?
:D
You did also get the 2x didn't you?
busterboy
14-05-2007, 15:31
Oh definitely hand-holdable, but I find I'm getting a better return of sharper shots with the monopod and compared to a tripod
Congrats on the lens, The reviews say it all... It is a fine lens indeed.:thumbs:
Itake it you are enjoying the lens then, eh CT?
:D
You did also get the 2x didn't you?
Yes and yes, :D
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