my pic

[photomad]

hey this is my first published wedding photo
im proud even if others dont like it http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/car21.jpg

[photomad]

where is it i ask myself???

[photomad]

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/car21.jpg

[photomad]

there it is

[Venomator]

Be proud PM ... :thumbs: ... hope the B & G loved them too ... :D







:p

[photomad]

yes they did and thanks for reply

[Venomator]

That makes your efforts the more worthwhile then ... :clap: ... and not a problem it's what everyone is here for at the end of the day ... interactions ... ;)







:p

[hypnotic]

Well done photomad .... :clap:

Not managed to get anything of mine published yet.

Which publication is this shot in?


:canon:

[photomad]

herald express torquay

[inophoto]

The exif says that you used a Fuji S5000. Was this your main camera for the day?

[photomad]

yep

and fugi s5700

please dont say you need a better camera please!!

[T-Photo]

Well done for getting it in the paper.

If I'm being critical I would say that it looks a tad overexposed when you look at the lost detail on in the flowers.

[photomad]

yes thats what someone else said on the other thread but you said it so much more kinder thanx

[Ewan]

Seems alright to me apart from the totally blown highlights on the dress and flowers :eek:

Maybe try lowering the EV 1 or 2 stops to prevent this next time ;)

Nice pic :)

[photomad]

ewan you are soooooo to the point be gentle with me

[sue]

Well done on publication, personally I have to agree with what other have said about exposure and blown highlights, as you have lost all the detail on the dress and the flowers. Also I find the roof a bit too much and it might stand a bit of a crop to be closer on the couples face. I know how hard it is to expose for a wedding dress after doing a wedding outside in the sun a couple of months ago.

[Ewan]

I'm only giving C&C like you've asked for in nearly all your photo posts!

I said it was alright apart from the blown highlights, and then I suggested something which would help stop this next time. Then I said it was a nice picture. What do you want me to say? :shrug:

Maybe I should just not post at all next time, I just seem to cause trouble!

[Matt Charlton]

yes thats what someone else said on the other thread but you said it so much more kinder thanx

For the record this is what I said in another thread....


Its a nice picture but its ruined for my by the blown highlights. All of the detail has been lost from the dress and flowers. The scene outside the car window is also overexposed although this isn't as important as the dress/flower detail.

Composition is okay, I would have preferred a lower shot with less of the car roof on show though.


There's nothing nasty or unkind in there, I'm just telling you what I thought of your photo from my point of view as someone else who has done some wedding stuff in the past. You asked for c&c and thats what I gave you :shrug:

I'm not going to dress it up and tell you its the best photo in the world ever and theres nothing wrong with it because its fundamentally flawed. If I told you it was perfect and you thought it was then you would carry on taking pictures like that thinking they were all fine and dandy and not find out how to improve them.

Its not about being nice or nasty, I'm just trying to help - as are other people on this thread.

There should be something in your camera manual about adjusting the exposure compensation - its always difficult with white wedding dresses because its very easy to blow out the whites in the picture, as you've done in that shot. Have a look at your manual and see if theres anything there, have a play around with something white that has some detail in it (no idea what you could use - unless you have your wedding dress somewhere) and have a play around against different backgrounds.

Good luck with this other wedding at the weekend. :)

[photomad]

some people are tactful some are not i guess you are either really young or been a pro for years by your comments

[photomad]

every photo on the pge that was published that has white flowers and of course the dress all look like my flowers so even the 'pros' down in devon do it wrong

[inophoto]

When you post pictures here, you really have to live with the consequences. In this case, constructive criticism. Matt has seen something wrong, but he has also given you some good advice on how to stop it happening in the future. I think Matt's comments are pretty much spot on. They obviously aren't meant in a mean way - it's just good, friendly advice.

[sue]

Neither me or matt have been doing this professionally, and cant say particularlly young, we have had similar advice when we were going to get ready for our first wedding, and have tried to learn from this and are just trying to share and pass on information. This is one of the main reasons I personally use this website.

[hypnotic]

photomad.

I think you may want to have a re-think on asking for c&c on your photos.

Several people have now given you some good advice and help on how you may improve your shots .... I have not seen one nasty comment posted to you.

You seem to take personal offence to anybody who offers any advice or help.

[photomad]

ok wont post anymore i dont mind advice it just reads very harsh to me

[hypnotic]

We cannot win ... I give up

[sue]

Please continue to post photos, we are all trying to share advice and support on photos, we dont mean to be harsh, try re-reading everything before answering things can sometimes be taken more than way, and often not meant the way you first read them.

Learnt this from experience.

[busterboy]

ok wont post anymore i don't mind advice it just reads very harsh to me

You need to lighten up a little matey..;)

TBH your picture isn't really all that to me, As quoted the dress and the flowers are so blown you can hardly make out what sort they are..:shake:

The colours are very bland and the shot needs a hard shot of USM and levels to make something of it..:wave:

If you have a look around the place there are some stunning shots that have received far more critique than you have had on this thread so why are you so touchy..:shrug:

Its hard receiving critique mate but in the end it will improve your photography then you will thank the people here for being so honest..:thumbs:

[photomad]

all the white flowers on the wedding page are the same as mine and if its so bad im sure the picture editor has hundreds to chose from.

i think my prob is that if someone puts a pic on this forum they are obviouly proud of it and if they thinks its good who am i to tell them it is not even though i think its crap

[Susane]

There's some good, honest advice in this thread, thank God for that...I was starting to get worried. :thumbs:

[sue]

Thats why half of us post here, even if we are happy with them ourselves others may not think so and thats the way we learn. Try looking at other people wedding shots on here and see the detail in some of them, some of them are great.

[hypnotic]

all the white flowers on the wedding page are the same as mine

What type of flowers were they? .... My monitor just shows white blobs.

[dod]

critique

And that's the magic word here, it's critique, not criticism.

We've ALL had images we're happy/proud of get a less than favourable response, I know I've had my fair share :p. It doesn't mean it's a bad shot, it just means people are interested enough to offer suggestions as to how the image could be improved. It could be composition, technique, equipment, whatever.

It's up to us whether or not we take on board those suggestions and improve as photographers :)

[minimeeze]

i think my prob is that if someone puts a pic on this forum they are obviouly proud of it and if they thinks its good who am i to tell them it is not even though i think its crap

But that's what it's all about. If no-one tells you their honest opinion, how are you meant to improve and learn? No-one has said your photo is crap, they have simply pointed out ways in which you can improve it, which I agree with btw.

I remember the first ever pic I posted on here - I was really proud of it and thought it was fab, but then people pointed out ways in which it could be improved, and I have since learned lots from this kind of critique. Even some of the most stunning photographs on here have minor flaws which may not be obvious to the photographer until someone else points them out. If everyone posted pictures and we all said, 'yeah, that's nice', we'd never progress, and then we'd continue posting the same calibre pictures instead of learning and improving.

You need some broader shoulders ;)

[busterboy]

We've ALL had images we're happy/proud of get a less than favourable response, I know I've had my fair share :p.


Come on dod yours are crap...:lol:

[photomad]

im just wondering why on earth the picture editor picked my photo amongst others to print there must of been a beter one

[PapaLazarou]

Hi photomad you got the pic published but as its been said you have completly blown out the highlights. My guess is you fired the flash right at the couple, you should never do this when photographing a Wedding. Always point the flash head at 45 degrees and have a difuser on the flash.
Would like to show you a few samples of in car shots, i dont know how to post them up into the pages so here are a few links. Would like to show you the last few weddings i did with in car shots, biut you will have to make do with these old ones from my site. I havent updated the pictures for about 2 years, but you will get the idea. [URL="http://www.markheywood.co.uk/page7.htm"]

http://www.markheywood.co.uk/page7.htm

http://www.markheywood.co.uk/page6.htm

[photomad]

cheers papa in peter and angelad pics all the white the dress and flowers look like mine im confused now

[photomad]

thats the bridsmaids dress

[mole2k]

As far are recieving critquie goes you have to remember this is a photography forum and people will give you critique on a lot higher a level and the bride and groom and many of the other people who will have viewed their picture.

The people here will look at it from a very technical viewpoint and also see what you were trying to convey with the photograph.

For most of my shots I usually get people telling me how I should of done it differently and what bits were good and what bits were bad. Instead of getting annoyed at people pointing out the flaws you should thank them for showing you were you need to improve. If it wasnt for a lot of the critique both here and on other forums I wouldnt be anywhere near the same level as I am now. Instead of getting annoyed at point pointing out flaws ask how they think you could have improved on those flaws and that way you can try and improve on it.

I personally would be very heavy on personal critque and spend a lot of time looking at my photos and comparing them to photographs that I personally like, pointing out the differences in them and in what ways i am failing to take the photographs that I truely consider great. Its through this that I have improved a lot personally as a photographer. I also tend to shoot a lot and have fired off over 35,000 pictures in the last year.

[photomad]

SO WHY DID THE EDITOR PICK MY PHOTO WHEN SURELY BETTER ONES WERE AVAILABLE OR JUST PRINT SOMEONE ELSES BIGGER TO FILL THE PAGE.

[CT]

SO WHY DID THE EDITOR PICK MY PHOTO WHEN SURELY BETTER ONES WERE AVAILABLE OR JUST PRINT SOMEONE ELSES BIGGER TO FILL THE PAGE.

Erm... how many other people submitted photos of the wedding you took the pictures of then?

[robmiller]

"I have a fundamental inability to deal with constructive criticism. I know, I'll post my images on a public forum dedicated to helping people improve their photography through constructive comments!"

[hypnotic]

I had a look at the paper you were published in and could not find the photo.

It may look better in print.

You seem to take everything we say as a personal attack .... It is not.

[busterboy]

SO WHY DID THE EDITOR PICK MY PHOTO WHEN SURELY BETTER ONES WERE AVAILABLE OR JUST PRINT SOMEONE ELSES BIGGER TO FILL THE PAGE.


BEST ASK THE EDITOR MATE...:D

[inophoto]

Just because the editor prints it doesn't mean it is perfect.

I don't think anyone wants to take the shine off of you getting published. I would be well chuffed, and you still should be.

[CT]

Time for a reality check photomad. Local newspapers print pics of local weddings because they're of interest to people locally. They aren't remotely concerned with image quality. They'll print wedding pictures from whoever submits them providing they have room. ;)

Your shot is badly over-flashed, it doesn't need an argument about it, it patently is! Several people with years of experience have tried to tell you what you did wrong, but you don't seem to want to listen.

[busterboy]

I don't think anyone wants to take the shine off of you getting published. I would be well chuffed, and you still should be.

Totally agree, Its a start and that's good but better shots will get you further..

Does that sound good.:)

[photomad]

OK

ok i am well chuffed at the pic being published and you guys just knocked me off my perch

maybe when i get more published which i am next week i will just keep quiet

i will still participate in the forum but leave my pics out of it

[busterboy]

i will still participate in the forum but leave my pics out of it

Well that's a little negative mate to say the least..:(

If you ask me you are a very sensitive person, Its all very good advise on these forums matey and free advise shouldn't be knocked but taken with gratitude..;)

[Venomator]

I don't give two hoots about how good anyone on here thinks their photographs are ... EVERY ONE of them can be improved in one way or another and however old or young you are (or aren't ?) you will always be learning to make your work better still ... :shrug:

One of the easiest and best (and cheapest) ways to learn is by using the fantastic amalgam of personalities, experience and expertise available on these here forae ... ;)


Of course if you simply do not wish to learn ... or think you already know it all then you are probably better off not posting ... :suspect: ... everyone here ... and I mean everyone in my experience will bend over backwards to assist anyone ... and not just with their photography either ... :D ... so do not throw it all away by chucking your baby out with the bathwater ... sleep on it and re-consider your position in the morning ... :shrug:


We will all look forward to your next post and relish the challenge of tactfully critiquing it ... :lol:





:p

[photomad]

yes i am sensitive you have noticed then ha ha

the next pic i post will be my best ever.

so you guys may have to wait awhile

[moomike]

I am sure you would rather people were honest with you in an effort to help aid your development as a photographer rather than lie about what they think about your images - I for one would rather receive honest & constructive C&C from people for my images. You have done well getting your image printed, no one is disputing that & you should be proud.
You did ask for constructive C&C for your images & I think that as particular points about your image have been raised by more than one person that there may be something in it for you to consider.
We're all friendly here & advice is offered freely & with consideration - not intended as personal insults.

[PapaLazarou]

With the paul and tracy pictures on the site i wanted to see if you spotted the slight over exposure in the standing shot. Even though its a little over exposure it still has detail in the highlights unlike your shot where they are gone forever. There is a story behind why its over, it happend because at the time it was very sunny and i forgot to set my flash to high speed sync mode. So when i fired the shutter the flash was'nt just filling in it was pumping out full power. I soon realized what i had done and set it to high speed sync mode. I always shoot RAW so i knew i could still pull some detail back in the highlights, but not as much as i would have liked. I had been doing Weddings for 15 years at that point and never made that mistake before, and never again i hope.

Check it out

http://www.markheywood.co.uk/page6.htm

[Grendel]

OK

ok i am well chuffed at the pic being published and you guys just knocked me off my perch

maybe when i get more published which i am next week i will just keep quiet

i will still participate in the forum but leave my pics out of it

Get a grip ffs mate! We're all very pleased for you at getting published, honestly we are. But the picture you have posted here, the one that you say was published, has faults. End of story. Some excellent photographers and experienced guys have tried, politely and courteously, to point the flaws out to you and suggest ways to improve in future. This is a photography forum for goodness sake, it's what we all do - post our photos and ask our fellow forum members to comment on them to help us improve.

Just get over yourself mate. Get into the spirit of what we're all about here. We're a friendly bunch of guys and gals all trying to help each other improve a hobby / profession we all enjoy.

[dod]

Come on dod yours are crap...:lol:
I know, but I like the sympathy vote :lol:

[Susane]

I don't give two hoots about how good anyone on here thinks their photographs are ... EVERY ONE of them can be improved in one way or another and however old or young you are (or aren't ?) you will always be learning to make your work better still ... :shrug:

One of the easiest and best (and cheapest) ways to learn is by using the fantastic amalgam of personalities, experience and expertise available on these here forae ... ;)


Of course if you simply do not wish to learn ... or think you already know it all then you are probably better off not posting ... :suspect: ... everyone here ... and I mean everyone in my experience will bend over backwards to assist anyone ... and not just with their photography either ... :D ... so do not throw it all away by chucking your baby out with the bathwater ... sleep on it and re-consider your position in the morning ... :shrug:


We will all look forward to your next post and relish the challenge of tactfully critiquing it ... :lol:





:p


That deserves a round of applause :clap::clap::clap:( 3 clapping smilies only cos Ven used up the the rest of the limit!)

[photomad]

i have viewed other pics that have c and c

ithink the best way to deal with c and c is read it and move on.

it seems if you carry on commenting on your pic the thread will go on forever.

so thats what i will do

[busterboy]

ithink the best way to deal with c and c is read it and move on.

it seems if you carry on commenting on your pic the thread will go on forever.

so thats what i will do


The best thing to do with C&C is read it and practice it.. Not move on..:nono:

I think its best you sleep on it tonight because your hole is just getting deeper..:help:

[PapaLazarou]

With some shots you will blow the highlight slightly indoors with dark backgrounds and a mix of some people wearing white and others in dark colours. It cant be helped as long as you dont blow them to a point where it jumps out at you. Digital does'nt have the same latitude as film, so it happens from time to time. You cant have both spot on all the time, you just have to do the best in the situation your in.

[photomad]

buster boy thats what i meant read it and take it in

but i can believe you agree with every bit of c and c

[hypnotic]

We may not all agree .... But if 20 people tell you the same thing then there must be something to it.

[photomad]

this could go on all night

just because a 1000 people think the same thing it does not mean its right

[hypnotic]

Anyone else treading a fine line here?

[mole2k]

You might not agree with all critisim but any that I recieve that I personally dont agree with I always try and see where the particular person is comming from, usually you can figure out why thye give you that bit of critisim if you think about it. If not then you can always ask them in a PM why they think that way and they should be more than happy to tell you why and what they would of done differently to combat it.

[photomad]

you guys you take everything so serious when someone does not agree with you.

[photomad]

but you keep coming back for more you just cant help yourself

[mole2k]

this could go on all night

just because a 1000 people think the same thing it does not mean its right

That might apply to something like politics but when the thing in question is a matter of technical nature...

Open the photo in photoshop and check out the rgb values in the photo around the dress and the flowers, they'll all be in the 255 255 255 region. Surely that verifys the overexposure comments.

[busterboy]

but you keep coming back for more you just cant help yourself

:lol:.. Can't believe you just posted that..:cuckoo:

[Grendel]

Anyone else treading a fine line here?

:thumbs:

[photomad]

beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[mole2k]

Nobody is denying that you like the image, we are just pointing out some technical flaws with the image so that you know what caused then and will help you improve as a photographer.

[hypnotic]

If I had to admit to anything photomad .... It would be that you have given me a highly entertaining evening.

Never before can I remember (on this forum) anyone who has stuck to their guns despite overwhelming odds.

[dod]

Okay folks, enough. Any more bickering and this threads gone.

[hypnotic]

Is that a promise?

:exit:

[busterboy]

Okay folks, enough. Any more bickering and this threads gone.

Should have gone an hour ago dod.:bang:

[sue]

Ohhhhhh but it is passing the night and keeping me refreshing the page and almost as good as MILF (I think it was) was way back when.

[photomad]

ok i think im right and 20 people think im wrong

so i guess i must be wrong............................................. ......or????

love you all and cant wait to post my next pic i have a wedding on sat and i trust that you all wish me well



:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:



from mrs stubborn

[hypnotic]

Best of luck photomad .... And I really do mean that ... :D

[sue]

Good luck.

[busterboy]

Good luck.

And Goodnight..:baby:

[photomad]

thanx guys now dont you all be rain dancing on saturday morning

[dod]

Is that a promise?

:exit:
Yep

Photomad, if you're not happy with the decision to close it PM me