View Full Version : POTY 2011 Round 1 - New Beginnings (Discussion)
Welcome to the 2011 Talk|Photography Photographer Of The Year Competition.
This year, the themes are designed to make you think, to encourage the imagination.
The deadline for entries is the 11:59pm on the last day of the month, shortly after that a POLL will be made for you to vote for you favourite entries that month. This process will then repeat each month with a leader board being published after each round. The winner of each month will receive a prize (this will be announced each month). The member with the most votes at the end of the year will win the coveted TP POTY Trophy.
So on with the competition;
The theme for January is:
'NEW BEGINNINGS'
It's the beginning of a new year, what does this mean to you? New year resolutions made? New starts promised? Or maybe something else entirely.
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Please take a moment to read the Rules and Guidelines (http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=280717). before entering, also paying close attention to the following :
* Please note that any photos submitted must not be, or have been, shown on these forums before.
* From this year, no 'placeholders' will be permitted so enter carefully. Once you have placed an entry, you will not be able to replace it.
* To disqualify an image, we simply edit the post, removing the image in question, replacing it with a Staff message.If your entry has been disqualified due to image sizes, you may re-edit your post with a resized version of the same photo. This must be done by the closing date. All disqualified images that haven't been sorted by the closing date will be left out of the vote and marked VOID in the poll.
* If anyone wishes to bring one of the images to the attention of the staff for this or whatever reason, then please use the RTM button under the post in question (It looks like this http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/images/custom_blue/buttons/report.gif).
This thread is for DISCUSSION only do NOT post any entries in here. The Entries thread will be started on the first day of the month.
lawrie29
13-12-2010, 00:21
Let the fun begin!!
leftcurl
13-12-2010, 12:27
interesting stuff.
so, no placeholders now.. that's good to see. just a shame that the themes this year are to 'make you think'... that's me out :bonk:
I have an idea already!! hmmm... I like no placeholders...that's good!!
I'm looking forward to this :)
Please double check the rules and guidelines as there have been a few changes. As someone has already said, placeholders are no more and the entry needs to be taken between now and the end of January.
....the entry needs to be taken between now and the end of January.
So exif all needs to be intact?
So exif all needs to be intact?
Where possible, yes.
TheBigYin
13-12-2010, 21:42
Well - even film shots will have some sort of EXIF data - though apart from a couple of exceptions (EOS-1V and Nikon F6 iirc) film cameras don't actually record full exif data, so what you'll generally get is the date on which the processing company put the roll through the machine with a camera name something like Fujifilm SP3000 - the scanner model. There is actually a program called Filmtagger which allows you to edit the EXIF to your camera and lens settings - so if you see EOS-3 or Holga WPC120 in the exif on mine, you know i've been tweaking things :)
Should also have said - I think the rule changes are definitely for the better - "Please do not vote for your own entry" <<< think that's going to be hard to enforce.
leftcurl
14-12-2010, 11:04
so, you'll be announcing the theme for each month approx 2 weeks before the month begins right? so in effect we have around 6 weeks to get an image sorted?
that sounds perfect. not that i'll be able to come up with something in that time frame every month, but it does seem to be 'what the people want'.
good work.. cheers :thumbs:
TheBigYin
14-12-2010, 11:16
If the topics are all about getting us to think, then I'm going to need all the extra time I can get :lol:
Not sure If I'll be able to get something in every month this year - I've found 2010 pretty difficult to be honest, but I'll be turning out a leaderboard for 2011, even if I don't actually get time to enter every month myself.
Daysleeper40
14-12-2010, 15:23
I think I'm going to make this one of my projects for 2011 - to enter every month. I like the "make you think" themes idea - I was a bit put off by last years themes. Felt they were a bit beyond me at them time :thinking:
Right. Thinking cap is firmly on for 2011... :thumbs:
I'm looking foward to this, I need some motivation to get me out and thinking. :thinking:
Andysnap
14-12-2010, 17:45
I think the rule changes are a good idea as I'm sure I'm not the only one who has used images from the past which just happen to suit.
I also like the theme idea, better than a technique based competition.
Andy
TheBigYin
14-12-2010, 20:15
I think that the technique driven nature of 2010's comp. was a good one - it's certainly got me doing a lot of stuff i'd have never done. I've got back into processing colour film to do the cross-processing round, I went out with a panoramic pinhole camera for the panorama and slow speed photography rounds. I even built a rudimentary tilt-shift lens (okay - more of a lensbaby with a proper bit of glass) but never actually managed to shoot anything decent with it. My main worry is that being fundamentally lazy, I'll just interpret the theme in a way that'll allow me to just go shoot yet another landscape shot, which I'll enjoy, but it won't move my skill-set forward.
I like the new rules
I like the new format
I like traffic lights, especially when they're green
I also prefer the theme based, but that's cos I'm a technophobe
I think this is just what I need, part of my new years resolution is to get out more and get the old brain thinking also.
I like the new rules and the theme based idea. It will encourage others like me that really didnt have the technical knowledge or equipment to enter much last year.I dont think it will mean that winning shots can be technically bad and I'm sure that it will be clever shots that win still.
Ooh this is good. I dipped out of 2010 cos just too busy, but this is going to be one of my resolutions for 2011, to keep up with the theme comp. Thinking caps on!!
Doddy1974
15-12-2010, 09:17
I'm gonna give it a go this year...feeling excited!!
TheBigYin
15-12-2010, 10:05
Ooh this is good. I dipped out of 2010 cos just too busy, but this is going to be one of my resolutions for 2011, to keep up with the theme comp. Thinking caps on!!
Welcome back - Have to say, I really enjoyed your stuff in 2009 - great set of self portraits iirc :thinking:
leftcurl
15-12-2010, 10:05
Well - even film shots will have some sort of EXIF data - though apart from a couple of exceptions (EOS-1V and Nikon F6 iirc) film cameras don't actually record full exif data, so what you'll generally get is the date on which the processing company put the roll through the machine with a camera name something like Fujifilm SP3000 - the scanner model. There is actually a program called Filmtagger which allows you to edit the EXIF to your camera and lens settings - so if you see EOS-3 or Holga WPC120 in the exif on mine, you know i've been tweaking things :)
sorry, but i'm going to have insist that all your film entries must have a newspaper in them clearly showing the date! Otherwise i'm not playing :D
Welcome back - Have to say, I really enjoyed your stuff in 2009 - great set of self portraits iirc :thinking:
he he, thanks for being able to remember. That's what happens when you have no willing subjects at short notice. 2009 seems soo very long ago
I like the new rules and the fact that we will have more than a month to get the photo.
Count me in for 2011.
Jenny
TheBigYin
15-12-2010, 21:53
sorry, but i'm going to have insist that all your film entries must have a newspaper in them clearly showing the date! Otherwise i'm not playing :D
What Can I say - if you can find me a EOS-1V/PB-E2 and the ES-E1 Software/Cable kit for under a Hundred Quid, I'll happily Use that instead of the EOS-3, and that way I should have dead accurate times/dates etc. same as a modern Dijikal one. :lol:
Don't know how I can do anything about the Pinhole Holga though :lol:
are there any rules about explanation of the images? or is it pics only? just wonder if we're being made to think we may have to explain how our thinking works (which in my case could take a while!).
I like this.:thumbs:
The no placeholder is going to mean I'm going to have to think about it this year.:thinking::thinking:
phil8139
16-12-2010, 21:25
Im really going to try and achieve this, not the winning, just expanding ME!! ;)
TheBigYin
16-12-2010, 21:54
are there any rules about explanation of the images? or is it pics only? just wonder if we're being made to think we may have to explain how our thinking works (which in my case could take a while!).
Nothing in the rules either way - do what you think fit mate ;)
I think I'm going to enter this years contest.
I sat back and watched the action from the 2010 run and was significantly impressed with the caliber of photos.
Whilst I may feel that I don't match that caliber (he says) I think I will have a shot at this.
Not only will it make me think about my shots and fitting the theme, it will also motivate me, especially when I get my hands on my new present from Santa.
Look forward to seeing what you guys submit.
AshMashMash
23-12-2010, 15:11
Haha, I totally missed that this was even out yet :eek:
Loving the new rules :) Bring on 2011! Hopefully I'll have time to enter each month... but don't quote me on it :lol:
Graham00
24-12-2010, 23:34
I'll have a crack this year just to become more active, i haven't looked at these sections at all since joining a year and a half ago and i should learn something hopefully :)
I did dip out of the '52' because it was too quick for me.
Ajophotog
26-12-2010, 17:53
I'm not entering this year but will look in to see how it all goes, good luck everybody :thumbs:
Why aren't you entering for 2011 Alby? I always look forward to your pics, they're superb.
AshMashMash
26-12-2010, 20:00
Why aren't you entering for 2011 Alby? I always look forward to your pics, they're superb.
Likewise... how comes Alby?
Ajophotog
26-12-2010, 22:56
I've got some ankle surgery coming up so I will be out of action for quite a while so it hardly seems worth me entering next year.
TheBigYin
27-12-2010, 10:05
Well, I for one will miss seeing your shots Alby - hope the ankle surgery goes to plan, and you're back up and out there asap. You could still enter a few months for fun you know... bearing in mind, if you get 3-4 months worth of shots in, you'll probably still beat me (and a few hundred others) hollow, so it won't be totally wasted effort :lol:
I've got some ankle surgery coming up so I will be out of action for quite a while so it hardly seems worth me entering next year.
I hope the surgery goes well. I have been inspired by your macro shots so I hope we will still see lots on TP. Hopefully you will be able to hobble around like I do and take pics of creatures in the garden.
Ajophotog
29-12-2010, 21:54
Thanks Mark and Sue, I hope it goes well too :D
Good luck with the hospital visit Alby.
foggy4ever
30-12-2010, 23:01
I've got some ankle surgery coming up so I will be out of action for quite a while so it hardly seems worth me entering next year.
You are just going to have to be more creative. :D
Entry thread now open. Good luck.
http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=284619
canon_togger
01-01-2011, 11:33
I'm not entering this year but will look in to see how it all goes, good luck everybody :thumbs:
Same here, I have several trips planned for 2011 so wouldnt be able to enter every month but will try to vote whenever possible :)
Well thats my entry for this month on. Never done anything like this before so looking forward to the challenge.
Graham
Marie, I will miss your shots every month - They are always class.
Alby, I hope that the surgery goes well - Perhaps you'll be fighting fit for 2012!!!
steveinhants
01-01-2011, 20:53
Please double check the rules and guidelines as there have been a few changes. As someone has already said, placeholders are no more and the entry needs to be taken between now and the end of January.
Oh I am such an idiot. :bonk:
Can I delete my entry and resubmit or is that against the rules?
TheBigYin
01-01-2011, 21:17
Oh I am such an idiot. :bonk:
Can I delete my entry and resubmit or is that against the rules?
It's also falling foul of the
Where possible, EXIF data should be kept intact (Obvious exceptions would be photos taken using film)section of the rules (http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=280717)...
For the assistance of others... please note if you are posting from flickr, the EXIF details from your photograph are only accessible IF you use the full size image. Any of the flickr downsized image sizes will have the EXIF stripped by flickr's bot's...
(:thinking: Why do I think that there are going to be lots of people coming a cropper with postings this month :thinking: )
TheBigYin
01-01-2011, 21:32
Well thats my entry for this month on. Never done anything like this before so looking forward to the challenge.
Graham
Graham - you're entry is missing it's exif's as well
Mark, the chances of getting EXIF on all the images is very slim. I have no idea to retain EXIF on my images. I suspect there may be a lot of others in the same boat.
Jenny
jollyjack
01-01-2011, 22:08
Same here, I have several trips planned for 2011 so wouldnt be able to enter every month but will try to vote whenever possible :)
Now that's two people who inspire me every month not entering it's going to be a sad loss to the competition
TheBigYin
01-01-2011, 22:13
Mark, the chances of getting EXIF on all the images is very slim. I have no idea to retain EXIF on my images. I suspect there may be a lot of others in the same boat.
Jenny
Well - the flickr tweak I mentioned might help - of course, people could just google "preserviing exif data" :shrug:
The exif is more of a request than a specific rule at the moment. We'll see how it goes for now and I'll monitor it.
Steve, I'll delete your post and you can then resubmit a valid entry.
TheBigYin
01-01-2011, 22:29
It was best to raise the point as early as possible, rather than leaving it until there were 150 entries, then finding that 120 of 'em were DQ'ed for lack of EXIF data... sorry if I came over as a rules Nazi, but the rules are quite a bit more rigorous this year, and i'd hate people to fall at the first fence. FWIW though, I do think that if we are having date-qualified images, then there needs to be some form of proof in place...
No Mark, you were right to bring it up. As we are in the opening stages of the new comp with new rules, there's going to be a learning curve and I will be checking the entries myself as we go along. I'm looking at gentle encouragement for this month to get people used to the rules, then thumbscrews from month 2. :D
michael23
01-01-2011, 22:38
I have been thinking a lot for this theme since it was first posted, and I have to say my inspiration bone isnt working! Hopefully it will return....
One question on the exif thing, I post via photobucket, does that keep the exif data intact?
One question on the exif thing, I post via photobucket, does that keep the exif data intact?
As long as it's intact when you upload it, photobucket will retain it
I'm trying to think of something to make you think, and I cant thunk of anything. I dont think I better enter :-)
michael23
01-01-2011, 22:42
Cheers!
Graham - you're entry is missing it's exif's as well
I must apologies, if i had read the rules correctly i would have seen this rule.
The aim of the competition is to improve your photography. Therefore photos must be taken specifically for the competition and must be taken after the theme is announced. Where possible, EXIF data should be kept intact (Obvious exceptions would be photos taken using film)
My image has failed on two counts, No exip and it wasnt taken this month specifically for this comp.
Could you remove my image post and i will take a new one this month. Again sorry about that.
canon_togger
02-01-2011, 10:05
If you use the save for web tool in photoshop it doesnt retain the exif.
I normally use this to resize an image for the web.
I suppose you'd have to resize and then just save as a jpeg to overcome this.
TheBigYin
02-01-2011, 10:39
If you use the save for web tool in photoshop it doesnt retain the exif.
I normally use this to resize an image for the web.
I suppose you'd have to resize and then just save as a jpeg to overcome this.
Marie - it's easier than that - in the save for web dialog's theres a option for metadata - just change the Metadata settings to "All" and it'll preserve the EXIF's
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5168/5315174457_8a7d9e8f1e_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_big_yin/5315174457/)
Save for Web (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_big_yin/5315174457/) by The Big Yin (http://www.flickr.com/people/the_big_yin/), on Flickr
canon_togger
02-01-2011, 10:55
Yes that would make perfect sense Mark, except I just tried it on an image with exif and it didnt retain it :thinking:
purplepleaser
02-01-2011, 11:49
Hi
I use a manual lenses so I will have to type my details as I sometimes use chipped adapters sometimes I don't. Depends on my mood.
Will this be okay
Lee
TheBigYin
02-01-2011, 12:44
Yes that would make perfect sense Mark, except I just tried it on an image with exif and it didnt retain it :thinking:
Now I'm confused - I took the screenshot whilst testing it for myself on CS5 and it worked okay on "All" - Had to test it before saying, as to be honest, I tend to output things from Lightroom, or just resize and use "Save as" in CS5 rather than the save for web option (comes from using Photoshop from pre-CS? days :lol:)
Edit: after a little research, I believe that it may be related to wether your file has layers, perhaps you need to flatten the image before save-to-web or it strips the metadata whatever settings you have in the dialogue (can't test this, as I've no machine handy with cs4 installed :shrug:)
TheBigYin
02-01-2011, 12:47
Hi
I use a manual lenses so I will have to type my details as I sometimes use chipped adapters sometimes I don't. Depends on my mood.
Will this be okay
Lee
I think that even with manual lenses, there's an EXIF embedded that shows the date/time of capture, which is the main reason for asking for EXIF in the competition - just to ensure that the shot was taken within the requisite timeframe...
Edit: just tried it with a chipped and non-chipped adaptor (on a 450D and 7D), and it embeds EXIF with a timestamp in the files.
purplepleaser
02-01-2011, 12:53
Hi Mark
yes sorry about that, never thought about the date/time bit. Hopefully i will remember to turn the exif on visable in Flickr
purplepleaser
02-01-2011, 12:54
Cool
Well - the flickr tweak I mentioned might help - of course, people could just google "preserviing exif data" :shrug:
I don't use Flickr and process my images using Paintshop Pro. I have searched and I cannot find a setting that allows me to retain EXIF.
Jenny
TheBigYin
02-01-2011, 13:59
I don't use Flickr and process my images using Paintshop Pro. I have searched and I cannot find a setting that allows me to retain EXIF.
Jenny
I've never used that program Jenny, so I couldn't honestly say how to get around this... Hopefully someone who has used it may be able to point you in the right direction :shrug:
i'm really gonna try and enter at least some of these competitions, i kept an eye on last years since i joined up but never contributed because of a lack of skill/confidence/experience meant i didn't. this year i have some specific goals i want to achieve and hopefully these competitions will help me with mycreative side.
i have a couple ideas for this topic, but one of them means i've gotta go ask the boss if i can take some shots in work now though :(
antihero
03-01-2011, 23:00
well....entry in, and did I enjoy it!!!
Also got to try out my christmas prezzies, new tripod and speedlight :)
That was fun!
steveinhants
04-01-2011, 11:04
The exif is more of a request than a specific rule at the moment. We'll see how it goes for now and I'll monitor it.
Steve, I'll delete your post and you can then resubmit a valid entry.
Fantastic, tyvm!!
maninsuitcase
04-01-2011, 15:12
I am going to make a conscious effort at entering this, a 52 is a bit to hardcore for me but I might manage a 12 :lol:. My target is to not come last!
chris321
04-01-2011, 23:13
I'm looking forward to taking it up again this year, I struggled with the 52 last year due to other photographic commitments, but this should be good fun!
I also think babies should be banned (from being subjects, not from entering to competition :D), it's not fair on us who don't have such useful props :lol:
I want to give this a go but could someone tell me what a place holder is? the data retaining bit sounds confusing as well but I will try and work it out.
chris321
05-01-2011, 00:10
I want to give this a go but could someone tell me what a place holder is? the data retaining bit sounds confusing as well but I will try and work it out.
A placeholder is a post on the 'entries' thread where people put one photo to save themselves a space, then upload their actual entry later on.
As for the data bit, whenever you take a shot, the settings, date, time etc are all embedded in the shot, which shows it was taken during the right timescale, and it handy for people looking at it to know how you did it! Clicking the 'save for web' option in some programs can remove this data, but otherwise it should be there :)
DannyJames
05-01-2011, 17:39
well....entry in, and did I enjoy it!!!
Also got to try out my christmas prezzies, new tripod and speedlight :)
That was fun!
Paul, up to now your shot is my favourite although the position of the legs/feet and the diet concept are very feminine, whilst the items in the bin are very masculine. I would personally have preferred the same shot but with a female model and a bin full of women's guilty pleasures. But then would the concept become a little too cliché? Who knows...
Like I said though, my favourite so far.
I have entered not sure if that data thing is present though or how to check if it is?
I am a complete newbie with no lighting or equipment so feel mine is abit rubbish compared to other entries so far. But hey its all about improving throughout the year.
I felt the need to explain how the picture fixed the theme i.e a change of image is a new beginning. Do you have to do that or can you just literally post the picture?
Oh and I really like the diet picture!
antihero
05-01-2011, 20:14
it's fun getting back into it after well over twelve months with virtually no time or motivation to do anything!
@Danny: thanks for the input....I agree with what you say, but the image is quite personal to me (as I seem to be forever battling with my weight), and the position of the feet is me curling my toes at the thought of what horrors the scales will throw back at me :)
@Lissa: thanks v much!!
TheBigYin
05-01-2011, 20:16
Lissa, don't worry about the EXIF data, it's showing the date of capture (4th January ?) :thumbs: and as for the photo - it's a whole world better than anything I've come up with this month :)
Lissa, don't worry about the EXIF data, it's showing the date of capture (4th January ?) :thumbs: and as for the photo - it's a whole world better than anything I've come up with this month :)
Its showing the 4th January? thats strange I took earlier the picture today so the date should have been 5th January. :bonk:
TheBigYin
05-01-2011, 21:54
Its showing the 4th January? thats strange I took earlier the picture today so the date should have been 5th January. :bonk:
Check the date setting in your camera :lol:
Its showing the 4th January? thats strange I took earlier the picture today so the date should have been 5th January. :bonk:
Shows in Flickr as being taken 5 hours ago. :shrug:
TheBigYin
05-01-2011, 22:04
now i'm getting confused... i've 2 different exif tools in firefox, one of them can't access the exif at all, and the other shows only a date - 4th january. I'm going to kill off the exif tools and clear my settings I think :bonk:
Right: i've reloaded my exif viewer and if comes up with 4/1/2011 at 19:37:38 as original date, which agrees with the details from flickr...
Date and Time (Original) 2011:01:04 19:38:37
Date and Time (Digitized) 2011:01:04 19:48:57
Not sure why flickrs showing
Dates
Taken on January 5, 2011 at 6.00pm GMT
Posted to Flickr January 5, 2011 at 8.07PM GMT
Shows in Flickr as being taken 5 hours ago. :shrug:
So the time is right on Flickr. Thanks.
now i'm getting confused... i've 2 different exif tools in firefox, one of them can't access the exif at all, and the other shows only a date - 4th january. I'm going to kill off the exif tools and clear my settings I think :bonk:
My EXIF gives yesterday as well so I'm not sure what is going on there, but either date is fine anyway. I'm more concerned with whether there have been any speedway meets in the last few weeks. :thinking:
Rob.Marsh
06-01-2011, 07:43
Hi all,
I'll be having a better crack this year than last. I'm in one of those Photography lows at the moment where the lack of inspiration has caused the camera to stay in the bag.
This should be just what I need!
New Beginnings, this should be fun to try an come up with a not so obvious idea.
Been following this thread interesting stuff about how to retain the meta data. Couls someone tell me how you view this data on a photograph posted on the forum?
TheBigYin
06-01-2011, 08:59
Been following this thread interesting stuff about how to retain the meta data. Couls someone tell me how you view this data on a photograph posted on the forum?
Opanda iExif (http://www.opanda.com/en/iexif/) seems well thought of by some. If you're using Firefox as a browser, you could just search for a plugin.
Opanda iExif (http://www.opanda.com/en/iexif/) seems well thought of by some. If you're using Firefox as a browser, you could just search for a plugin.
I do indeed use firefox, have downloaded the plugin works a treat, thanks for the tip.
I'm new to talk photography, so hi and happy new year. I'm a competant amateur keen to expand on my photos. Need a little help though was thinking about entering the competition, but what is a 'placeholder', what does 'EXIf' mean and how do I know what size my photos are before I submit them? Probably all very simple questions, I apologize for my ignorance!
boyfalldown
06-01-2011, 11:32
I'm new to talk photography, so hi and happy new year. I'm a competant amateur keen to expand on my photos. Need a little help though was thinking about entering the competition, but what is a 'placeholder', what does 'EXIf' mean and how do I know what size my photos are before I submit them? Probably all very simple questions, I apologize for my ignorance!
Exif is data about the photograph embedded in the file. Amongst other things you can tell the date and time a photo was taken, and what settings were used.
A placeholder is entering one photograph in the comp then replacing it with another before closing date
TheBigYin
06-01-2011, 11:54
I'm new to talk photography, so hi and happy new year. I'm a competant amateur keen to expand on my photos. Need a little help though was thinking about entering the competition, but what is a 'placeholder', what does 'EXIf' mean and how do I know what size my photos are before I submit them? Probably all very simple questions, I apologize for my ignorance!
A PLACEHOLDER would be an image posted as a temporary entry, just to get an early slot on the entry sheet. This would then be replaced with a more studied shot later in the month, but they would still be on the front page.
Some people used them in the hope that entries on the first page get more votes (not something that's entirely borne out in my experience:shrug:) Anyway - it was getting silly, 2 days from the competition being announced and there were 25 entries... so they've been banned. Now, whatever shot you enter, you're pretty much stuck with it, so get it right before posting, the correct size, with EXIF data present showing that the shot was taken in the correct timeframe for the competition.
which Brings us to EXIF. EXIF stands for Exchangeable Image File Format, and is a standard for storing interchange information in image files, especially those using JPEG compression. Most digital cameras now use the EXIF format. Basically, pretty much every digital camera embeds details in the files it creates which show the date and time the shutter was pressed, the shutter speed/aperture/iso settings of the camera at the time, the type of camera, copyright ownership details and licensing informetion and all sorts of geeky information. Unless you do something to remove this information, this should be embedded in the .jpg file you upload.
There are a number of potential pitfalls however. Amongst them are:
1) Flickr hosting, which is used by a large number of people on TP, only includes the EXIF details in the ORIGINAL SIZE file. Any of the smaller versions that are created by Flickr have the exif details stripped. So - if you want to keep the details, resize your image to the current allowable size for TP (which I believe to be 1024 pixels longest side), sharpen the file as appropriate for this size, then upload the file to flickr, and link this full-size file.
2) Save for Web within Adobe photoshop can potentially strip the EXIF data from the file. There is a setting where you can change the level of "metadata" embedded in the file, but I believe that there are issues where the data is stripped if the file you are saving has layers. Therefore, I'd suggest saving the file as a .PSD file, then flattening the image and either resizing the image down, sharpening if needed, and using Save As... and save as a .jpg file, or using the save for web function on the flattened file.
3) Some editors don't support EXIF information and seem to throw it away. My suggestion in this case would be get a proper editor.
As far as knowing what size your images are, just right click on them (assuming windows) and check the details tab in properties. Under dimensions you'll see how big they are. As I've said ^^^ up there, longest side needs to be no more than 1024 pixels.
hope this helps.
:bang: A little help please, I have taken the photograph for this months entry done the post processing bit (about an hour ago) and uploaded it via photobucket.
When I check the meta data it shows what I have done with the camera but not the time and date it was done. I have followed the steps shown earlier in the thread (thanks for that btw).
Am I missing something here:bang:
Lindsay, post the photo in the comp thread and I'll check it there.
Lindsay, post the photo in the comp thread and I'll check it there.
Hi Marc
Already there:shake:
So it is. Can't see any EXIF from here but, given the nature of the shot, I think we can safely say it was taken for the comp. :thumbs:
Thanks for looking into this Marc, the photo was actually taken about 1315 today. I thought I had the EXiF bit cracked but apparently not:'( Oh well as long as it is accebtable. I am happy to try again if you like.
Thanks so much everyone for all the info and help!
Thanks for looking into this Marc, the photo was actually taken about 1315 today. I thought I had the EXiF bit cracked but apparently not:'( Oh well as long as it is accebtable. I am happy to try again if you like.
No probs Lindsay. Your entry for this month is fine. How did you resize and save your photo btw?
No probs Lindsay. Your entry for this month is fine. How did you resize and save your photo btw?
I resized the image in CS4 and then saved using 'save for web & Devices' I made sure the drop-down that gives the option to retain the data was changed to 'all' as was shown on the screen print earlier in the thread.
I will have some time tomorow I will have a go at posting some other images with EXiF intact.
I resized the image in CS4 and then saved using 'save for web & Devices' I made sure the drop-down that gives the option to retain the data was changed to 'all' as was shown on the screen print earlier in the thread.
I will have some time tomorow I will have a go at posting some other images with EXiF intact.
I use CS3 which doesn't have the option to save metadata in Save for Web.
Try Image>Image Size to resize, then save as jpg and move the quality slider to reduce the file size if necessary. That will definitely retain the EXIF.
antihero
06-01-2011, 16:41
I use CS3 which doesn't have the option to save metadata in Save for Web.
Try Image>Image Size to resize, then save as jpg and move the quality slider to reduce the file size if necessary. That will definitely retain the EXIF.
thats what I always do with CS3 to retain exif data...never really tend to use save for web :)
I use CS3 which doesn't have the option to save metadata in Save for Web.
Try Image>Image Size to resize, then save as jpg and move the quality slider to reduce the file size if necessary. That will definitely retain the EXIF.
Thanks Marc will give that a go.
would an image linked from flicker be acceptable or would i need to upload to photobucket or similar?
foggy4ever
06-01-2011, 21:59
I seem to be reading a lot of comments about exif data, although not a rule as members are made aware of the rule changes I can't see any one wanting to cheat :shrug:.......not after the last vote rigging scandal. Maybe we can make members place a copy of the daily paper in the shot somewhere :D
This all sounds very exciting :) I still feel fairly new to this sort of thing. sorry if this is a stupid question, but how do you see the Exif info once the image is hosted? I just want to make sure my shot has the data on it when i post it :)
NB - no good at thinking, or shooting, so i'm in it purely for the fun :)
EDIT -- Ignore the EXIF question, i have just read up, apparently i lack attention to detail too :bang:
TheBigYin
07-01-2011, 08:42
I seem to be reading a lot of comments about exif data, although not a rule as members are made aware of the rule changes I can't see any one wanting to cheat :shrug:.......not after the last vote rigging scandal. Maybe we can make members place a copy of the daily paper in the shot somewhere :D
Well - After this, I'm going to stop banging on about EXIF data to be honest, as I get the feeling that I'm rapidly becoming the resident "EXIF Nazi" and it's going to be a waste of my time entering as nobody will bother voting for me because of it! :lol:
First of all, my reading of the rules was that we should be making every effort possible to include the EXIF data. As, by and large pretty much every digital camera records this information to the file, it shouldn't be too hard to ensure that the data is preserved. I merely mentioned a couple of things that I'd noticed had removed the EXIF from my files.
Second, I'm not implying that anyone who has missing EXIF details is intentionally cheating, I'm just trying to help people keep within the spirit of the rules (even if it's not in the letter of the rules!). It's not as if the EXIF data is sacrosanct anyway - it's bits in a computer file, and therefore editable, should someone be that way minded.:shrug:
Third, to be honest, if anyone is posting images on TP for critique and comments, then having the EXIF details preserved is a good thing, allowing problems to be diagnosed without having to ask all sorts of follow up questions etc. so hopefully any modifications to workflow that occur as a result of the POTY will help throughout peoples TP experience.
and Last - can I just apologise to anyone who I may have upset by pointing out the missing EXIF - I wasn't in any way calling you a cheat, the comments were simply intended to help you to keep within the spirit of the POTY, and to save the awful situation of submitting an entry, only to have it DQ'ed for whatever reason. I'm well aware that Marc (fabs) is a fair minded chap, and I know he would be unlikely to DQ something for a minor transgression, but in the first tranche of entries, there was something not quite right in pretty much all cases. I would sooner the problem be raised immediately and people get it right, right from the start, than get to the end of the month with 150+ entries (not unheard of for January's competition) and end up with maybe 30 that were valid.
Validating the submissions before creating a Poll at the end of the month is a pretty large job - checking that images had been shot within the timeframe is another addition to the list of checks (Image Size, If it'd been on TP already for example) - and possibly something that the people who pester every month saying "where's the poll" forget about. Being the staff member in charge of the POTY is a difficult task, and it's down to all of us to ensure that Marc's job is made as simple as we can. We can best do this by ensuring that we DO include exif data, keep our image sizes under 1024pm maximum and only post "new to TP" shots within the thread. Also, if anyone DOES spot an image with a problem, then use the RTM button and report it ASAP. That way, hopefully there is a chance of it being resolved before the cut-off date, and one less disappointed member of our community.
Right: that's my venting over with - I'm away to polish my Jackboots now :lol:
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Third, to be honest, if anyone is posting images on TP for critique and comments, then having the EXIF details preserved is a good thing, allowing problems to be diagnosed without having to ask all sorts of follow up questions etc. so hopefully any modifications to workflow that occur as a result of the POTY will help throughout peoples TP experience.
All very valid points but for me the one above is the most important part we all want to learn and improve and if doing this small thing can help all the better.
foggy4ever
07-01-2011, 10:04
Er.......I wasn't meaning to point fingers at anybody :D just that if the exif data is removed during processing(not intentionally) then the op could just list it when posting the shot as many do in the critique sections. The cheating comment was a little tongue in cheek.
:thumbs:
Extremely eloquently put Mark and I thank you for your support.
Scott, The EXIF business is about, as you say, helping us to spot any genuine mistakes on the part of the entrant rather than to spot cheating.
Oh, and Mark, don't forget that stubborn bit by the heel. :D
foggy4ever
07-01-2011, 10:29
Right... enough from me about exif. Goes to get thinking cap on and pray for some good weather.
Mark....great post btw.
fabs...:thumbs:
I'm planning on another deep space object, involving stacking about 4 hours worth of images. I've had a look at a previous stack I've done and the stacking and editing package don't retain the exif - I agree with the changes that have been made and the inclusion of exif data, but if it's not going to be OK without it then I'll have to try to get something else.
Hope it's alright though, I'm rather looking forward to this one.
srichards
07-01-2011, 20:59
Perhaps next month's theme should be drizzle then fine weather would be guaranteed :D
maninsuitcase
07-01-2011, 21:23
Well I have got 1 shot from a session yesterday. Was going to try something else tonight but I didn't get even as far as the camera, just clearly wasn't going to work how I wanted it.
My problem now is, do I post, or do I wait until later in the month to see if I have a better idea!
Well I have got 1 shot from a session yesterday. Was going to try something else tonight but I didn't get even as far as the camera, just clearly wasn't going to work how I wanted it.
My problem now is, do I post, or do I wait until later in the month to see if I have a better idea!
same here dude, this is like a game of poker lol.
do you post what you have now?
try for a different/better version of the same idea?
wait for more inspiration and try that?
all the time hoping someone else doesn't post of pic with the same thing you were aiming for :lol:
TheBigYin
07-01-2011, 21:43
Well I have got 1 shot from a session yesterday. Was going to try something else tonight but I didn't get even as far as the camera, just clearly wasn't going to work how I wanted it.
My problem now is, do I post, or do I wait until later in the month to see if I have a better idea!
It's a tricky one and no mistake - post early, and you could have got a better shot - post late and run the risk of someone doing the very thing you were working on (I've already lost a crack at the Chess opening gambit and diet shots :lol:)
Edit: OOoh - 3998 posts better make the next but one post a good one :lol:
uniquegardens
07-01-2011, 23:11
[QUOTE=TheBigYin;3295332] (I've already lost a crack at the Chess opening gambit and diet shots :lol:)
:D ... I'm sure you could make a better job of it than I did Mark, having said that I would like to make a couple of tweaks but rules are rules.
It's a tricky one and no mistake - post early, and you could have got a better shot - post late and run the risk of someone doing the very thing you were working on
I agree. I work on the panic rule.
TheBigYin
08-01-2011, 08:18
[QUOTE=TheBigYin;3295332] (I've already lost a crack at the Chess opening gambit and diet shots :lol:)
:D ... I'm sure you could make a better job of it than I did Mark, having said that I would like to make a couple of tweaks but rules are rules.
I'd have no qualms about submitting a better version of something that was already on the board by someone else, but there's no way I could outdo your picture, or the other shot I mentioned, and there's no way I'd submit a second rate "me too" version.
When the topic was announced I sat and wrote a whole page of ideas out, some were dismissed outright for being cornier than the Green Giants storecupboard, others for needing a whole production company to organise. I've still got a few up my sleeve yet though - and probably not enough time to shoot them all - still - it only takes one good one, I suppose :shrug:
Just to reiterate, the new rule does include resubmitting improved versions. The whole idea is that people take there time before submitting their entry, even if that means we get 90% of entries being submitting on the last day. I'm pleased to- see that it is already having an effect in that we have 10 entries at a point where in the past the forst page would have already been filled.
uniquegardens
08-01-2011, 15:20
You are way too kind Mark.
TheBigYin
08-01-2011, 16:08
Just to reiterate, the new rule does include resubmitting improved versions. The whole idea is that people take there time before submitting their entry, even if that means we get 90% of entries being submitting on the last day. I'm pleased to- see that it is already having an effect in that we have 10 entries at a point where in the past the forst page would have already been filled.
Oops - wish I'd read this before posting my entry :$ (though in fairness I seem to have done nothing else apart from fret over what to post this month since it was announced in mid December!)
Oh, and I know I said I wouldn't mention EXIF's again, but couldn't resist just a little reference to 'em in the photo :lol:
foggy4ever
08-01-2011, 16:55
Oh, and I know I said I wouldn't mention EXIF's again, but couldn't resist just a little reference to 'em in the photo :lol:
:razz:
Can't see you getting any Nikon votes:D
Ooh. Just spotted this one. I dipped out on last year due to injury, lack of enthusiasm and loss of mojo.
I might just give it a go this year and try and beat my 2009 voting score :D
AshMashMash
08-01-2011, 19:17
Well, I've entered my first one, hopefully it fits the theme suitably! Mine's a Flickr one and the Exif is intact if you click to Flickr link. Can't wait for this years POTY, my second year :D
Please excuse my ignorance, but im new to this forum how do I find my image URL so that I can enter it?
Thanks for your help.
Elastoman
08-01-2011, 22:24
I've been away on business this week and came up with some ideas for this months comp...
came home and played around with a couple of them for an hour or two...
THEN thought I'd better have a look at the entries thread.
:bang:
I won't bother entering those then as I've been beaten to it and couldn't make a better job of it!
TheBigYin
08-01-2011, 22:47
Please excuse my ignorance, but im new to this forum how do I find my image URL so that I can enter it?
Thanks for your help.
Where are you hosting it Sean? To display images on the forum, you need to have the file uploaded somewhere on the 'net - you'd be surprised at how man people try and link a shot from their computers hard disk.
You can use the forum's gallery to host images if you wish. Help on that HERE (http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=166131)
Alternatively you can use a hosting service such as Flickr (http://www.flickr.com)
Once your files are hosted somewhere, you can add the images to a posting on TP as described HERE (http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=166289)
Unless I am able to sort out whats deleting the exif on my images once they arrive at flickr (via lightroom 3 and paintshop pro x3 usually), they will be without exif data.
If requested, I'll send the RAW file to an admin for viewing.
Is that ok or am I just making more work for the over-worked adminers?
FYI I've not uploaded a pic for this comp yet
Alternatively, if anyone knows what the problem could be, drop me a line :)
When you copy the code from Flickr to post here, do you select the original size? That is the only option where the EXIF is embedded.
I always post original size (I think) as I resize it to copetition size in psp before posting it to flickr.
TBY has sent me a link
this one (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1006&thread=34416272&page=3)
which should help a great deal.
I'll see if I can make it work later on tonight, off out
Thanks for your help
I got caught out with it when Flickr recently changed how it worked. When I selected all sizes, it brought up the 800 pixel version, but not the original size. I then had to select the original size even though it was the same size. Hope that makes some sense.
TheBigYin
09-01-2011, 14:40
If you'd have compared the 800px version and the Original Size one, I'd lay bets that they looked different - the 800px version getting a big bash with the sharpening stick, as do all the other smaller size ones. Must go and try this theory out - could be the reason why so many complain of overshapened images from Flickr...
I haven't entered this for ages so as it's a new year lets give it another bash!, anyway my entries in :thumbs:
Jay, could you confirm when your entry was taken? The EXIF shows 11th December and new rules this year state that the entry must be taken for the competition. The theme was announced on 12th December.
I missed that bit as I skimmed down the rules! it was taken on the 11/12/10! :bonk: never mind there's always next month!
Sorry about that Jay. I'll delete the post and you can submit an entry later on if you wish.
Sorry about that Jay. I'll delete the post and you can submit an entry later on if you wish.
Cheers Fabs, I'll get my thinking cap back on! :thumbs:
michael23
10-01-2011, 12:18
Hi, I have an image that I would like to post in the round 1, but It also suits week 2 of the 52 project. Is it ok if I post it in the entries thread, and link to it from my 52 thread? And then display the image in the 52 thread after the voting has been completed.
Hi Michael. I'm afraid that would be a no. It could be seen as an attempt to influence the voting.
michael23
10-01-2011, 13:07
That's fine, thanks for letting me know, off to think of more ideas.
phil8139
10-01-2011, 19:51
Well, I have put mine in, it's very flat and not how I wanted it. Maybe by the end of this year I will have improved enough to make a better attempt for next years first entry :p
Phil.
David Gethin
11-01-2011, 19:15
When you copy the code from Flickr to post here, do you select the original size? That is the only option where the EXIF is embedded.
Hi fabs
Is that the case? I use KUSO EXIF Viewer and having exported from Lightroom 2.3 into Flickr and then copying the BB Code for the 600 pixel size version (is that medium or large? It certainly isn't the original size) into my post, using KUSO I can still see the original date.
It hasn't been taken down yet and it was posted yesterday so hopefully the EXIF is still visible on this image (http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=3304532#post3304532).
Cheers
David
TheBigYin
11-01-2011, 20:14
David - the IPTC information is there - but the EXIF information isn't. I tried following the links to flickr (both the text link, and the click on picture one), but it just keeps timeing out :(
EDIT: Tried again today, and I could get into Flickr, but the exif is definitely only present in the full size image :shrug:
IPTC
* Record Version = 2
* Keywords = Athelstan Road / Candles / Faversham
* By-line = Ben Gethin
* Copyright Notice = Ben Gethin
AndyJ1980
12-01-2011, 11:43
work won't let me take my camera into a birth.... bang goes my idea :(
blondie606
12-01-2011, 21:13
Ok,evening people. Was gonna have a little go at this,no expectations just a bit of fun & to help me progress.
Stumbling block (& previously discussed at length) ,still not making any sense to me ! EXIF ?? I have no idea ! I shoot in RAW,twiddle in PSE7 save as jpeg,resize in paint to allow me to upload to the gallery here .Will this give the required EXIF data?
I'm a total newbie with PSE7 (twiddle sort of gives it away ;-) )
I've tried looking for the said data on my gallery pic's but failed miserably to find it - if in any doubt my forum name should give you a clue !
I've posted a few pic's on the site maybe someone with infinitely more ability could check one & see for me? Please..
thanks in advance from " feeling a tad dim !
Hey Lynne, just looked at one of your photos (the owl) and it is indeed showing the exif data - So upload as you did with that pic and you'll be fine :thumbs:
blondie606
12-01-2011, 21:31
Excellent Sara,many thanks .Got my idea sorted for Jan,just need to turn it in to a photo:lol:
Do you have to enter every month ? Just seen Feb's theme :eek:
Oh well,in for a penny....
ps...how do you/where do you see/find the said data? or is that just something the mods see?
Sorry to sound so dim but this all so new to me
Lynne, you can enter as many months as you like!! (or as few if it gets too hard!!)
To see the exif data I use a programme called opanda - google it and you can download it for free from the net. Then you just right click on a picture, and you can see the exif (as long as it's there)
blondie606
12-01-2011, 21:40
Aha,I'll give that a shot thanks.
TheBigYin
12-01-2011, 22:10
As said, you can enter as many or as few as you like - for example in the 2010 version, 447 individual people entered the competition, only 12 managed to post every month!
Hi Lynne. I've had a look at a few of your photos and the EXIF data appears to be intact. :thumbs:
February's theme (http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=287733) is up btw (forgot to post this yesterday)
midsnick
13-01-2011, 10:36
Decided to have a go at this to get the creative juices flowing again.
Jan entry in, Exif intact.
leftcurl
13-01-2011, 11:10
oh lordy!
not only am i struggling for january.... i'm now in the schtuck for february as well!
like you said though Fabs... get's the juices flowing doesn't it. i'm determined to get something in every month if it kills me though
CrazyJay
13-01-2011, 11:57
I will 'TRY' to be more involved this year. Last year I think I managed 2-3 entries or something like that. No promises though, my head is still all over the place.
TheBigYin
13-01-2011, 12:04
I will 'TRY' to be more involved this year. Last year I think I managed 2-3 entries or something like that. No promises though, my head is still all over the place.
You managed three according to my detailed files (http://www.mb-software.co.uk/tp/POTY_YTD-2010.htm)... :lol: Look forward to seeing some more stuff from you in 2011 :thumbs:
Just noticed my image doesn't have much Exif. I think its enough but I would like it to show more, so am going to quickly see if I can re export it with that info! :)
The only real reaon for EXIF in the comp is proof of when it was taken. Yours has it so no need for any more. :thumbs:
Just Dave
13-01-2011, 15:34
Think I'll try this year, didnt enter any last year or the year before,
I did win Round 8 (Decay) in 2008 though and received a fab lowpro bag
Ok, fair play! Thanks fabs
n30_mkii
13-01-2011, 17:04
Can someone check if the exif is intact on my image? I've been away from photography for a while so I could have quite possibly messed up :)
I cant see any exif on your photo bud! :)
Just Dave
13-01-2011, 17:54
Can someone check if the exif is intact on my image? I've been away from photography for a while so I could have quite possibly messed up :)
Nope no exif
jollyjack
13-01-2011, 19:41
Fabs can you see if the exif is intact on mine as i dont think i selected original if not can i edit my post with the orginal from flickr?
Just Dave
13-01-2011, 19:44
Fabs can you see if the exif is intact on mine as i dont think i selected original if not can i edit my post with the orginal from flickr?
a kink to the image might be good now we have to go off and find it :thumbsdown:
jollyjack
13-01-2011, 19:47
Sorry here it is
http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=3295325&postcount=12
Just Dave
13-01-2011, 19:48
Cant see any Jon if I use a browser exif viewer, I down loaded it and there is exif :thumbs:
TBH guys, not really too bothered in this instance. The EXIF should only come into play if there's a doubt that the image was taken in the timeframe.
TheBigYin
13-01-2011, 20:31
it's okay now Jon :thumbs:
GrittyShaker
14-01-2011, 12:19
Damn, some seedlings have cropped up. I was hoping I could get mine in before anyone else did, but alas I'm still awaiting their germination.
TheBigYin
14-01-2011, 12:25
Damn, some seedlings have cropped up. I was hoping I could get mine in before anyone else did, but alas I'm still awaiting their germination.
Makes a change from baby pictures though
:coat:
(and there goes another 20 potential votes ... :lol:)
SilentGoddess
14-01-2011, 12:30
I was surprised they germinated so fast. I have placed them this Monday. If the box wasn't standing next to my working desk I wouldn't have seen that they are already out.
GrittyShaker
14-01-2011, 12:58
Makes a change from baby pictures though
:coat:
(and there goes another 20 potential votes ... :lol:)
:lol:
I've had lots of "test sowings" on the go since the theme was announced, trying to find out which seedlings were the most photogenic and/or the quickest growing. A horticulturalist friend has been helping out, and donating countless packets of seeds.
I sowed the final lot on Wednesday, and if I've calculated correctly they should be ready for the shoot either tomorrow or Sunday. :D
SilentGoddess
15-01-2011, 18:24
Why has my photo been removed?
Just Dave
15-01-2011, 18:28
It hasnt its called New Life! and its sprouting seeds
SilentGoddess
15-01-2011, 18:29
I don't know what happened but it didn't show when I loaded the page! Now I can see its there! Sorry!
Just Dave
15-01-2011, 18:32
I don't know what happened but it didn't show when I loaded the page! Now I can see its there! Sorry!
:) :thumbs:
aww @ n1cky :hug:
Thanks :)
michael23
15-01-2011, 21:40
Have just posted my image, Have got an exif viewer added onto google chrome, it shows body, focal length, shutter speed and aperture, but dorsnt show the date up, would be grateful if someone could check for me. :thumbs:
TheBigYin
15-01-2011, 21:45
Have just posted my image, Have got an exif viewer added onto google chrome, it shows body, focal length, shutter speed and aperture, but dorsnt show the date up, would be grateful if someone could check for me. :thumbs:
# Exposure Time (1 / Shutter Speed) = 8/5 second ===> 1.6 second
# Lens F-Number / F-Stop = 8/1 ===> ƒ/8
# ISO Speed Ratings = 100
# EXIF Version = 0221
# Original Date/Time = 2011:01:10 11:17:54
# Digitization Date/Time = 2011:01:10 11:17:54
# Components Configuration = 0x01,0x02,0x03,0x00 / YCbCr
# Shutter Speed Value (APEX) = -8581/12655
Shutter Speed (Exposure Time) = 1/0.62 second
# Aperture Value (APEX) = 6/1
Aperture = ƒ/8
:thumbs:
michael23
15-01-2011, 22:06
many thanks indeed :thumbs: I have actually just, found an exif viewer that works and shows it.
billybob99
16-01-2011, 11:05
just entered mine and realised i should have read prevoius threads regarding to exif info when linking from flickr, can i edit the post and submit the "original" with exif info as apposed to the 800 sized image the original is 800 anyway or is it ok as it is ?
Andrew, although the exif isn't showing in the posted version, it shows in flickr so you're fine. :thumbs:
billybob99
16-01-2011, 11:25
Thank you
blondie606
16-01-2011, 17:21
Hi there,finally stopped faffing & posted a shot .Not brilliant compared with the rest but hey,it's my 1st time & I'm a beginner:)
Trying to upload on here is driving me scatty,I downsize the file to less than 200kb & still keep getting the message "graphic is too wide" .Tried downsizing by pixels to 900x600 & got the same message.
Can someone pleeeease tell me where I'm going wrong :help:
Thanks in advance & good luck to everyone,voting is gonna be really difficult
Cheers,Lynne
Hi Lynne
The max image size for TP gallery hosting is 800 pixels. 1024 is for where images are hosted elsewhere
HTH
Marc, I've just noticed that my exif is missing. can i upload again please?
Marc, I've just noticed that my exif is missing. can i upload again please?
As long as you're not replacing it with a new image, that's fine.
I know this is going to have been answered before but..
In the rules it states that the image has to be new to the forum but does the image have to be taken within the month of the round?
Sorry
jollyjack
17-01-2011, 17:35
I know this is going to have been answered before but..
In the rules it states that the image has to be new to the forum but does the image have to be taken within the month of the round?
Sorry
Yes it does
I know this is going to have been answered before but..
In the rules it states that the image has to be new to the forum but does the image have to be taken within the month of the round?
Sorry
Yes, as per the following
The aim of the competition is to improve your photography. Therefore photos must be taken specifically for the competition and must be taken after the theme is announced. Where possible, EXIF data should be kept intact (Obvious exceptions would be photos taken using film)
SarahLee
17-01-2011, 18:31
New Year's resolution . . . Going to try to do 12 months of this in 2011 after failing miserably to do any last year.
I'm deliberately not looking in the entries thread because I'm sure that some of the ideas I've had have already been done and probably far better than I could manage.
Anyway, the shot I really want for January is dependent on Mother Nature but I have a back-up taken a couple of weeks ago, in case that doesn't materialise . . . be prepared for a late 31st January submission :lol:
blondie606
18-01-2011, 11:52
Ok ,probabaly a very silly question & one I should already know the answer too :
Once you have posted your photo can you take it down,tweak it repost it (it would obviously be the same photo)?
I've re-read the rules & it says you can't change the photo once posted but does that mean you can't edit it or that you can't submit a completely different photo ?
Sorry to ask a dim question :-(
Sorry, but no. Without wanting to go into the debate of whether a tweaked photo is still the same photo, the idea is to make people think and get their best entry into the competition. There's no rush to do so, so it's best to wait until you're 100% happy to submit it.
TheBigYin
18-01-2011, 12:22
Ok ,probabaly a very silly question & one I should already know the answer too :
Once you have posted your photo can you take it down,tweak it repost it (it would obviously be the same photo)?
I've re-read the rules & it says you can't change the photo once posted but does that mean you can't edit it or that you can't submit a completely different photo ?
Sorry to ask a dim question :-(
I thought that once it was posted then that was it, do it once, and do it right - that's certainly how i've approached things :shrug:
(bearing in mind, my shot was a focus-stack (well - out of focus stack) of 6 shots, the scope for tweaking and fiddling with it would have been immense... could have still been faffing with it in december 2012 :lol:)
blondie606
18-01-2011, 17:39
Thats what I figured but wanted to check :-) Thanks guy's
foggy4ever
18-01-2011, 17:46
Well mines in, it was an idea that popped into my head straight away and is pretty close to what I had imagined although a bigger living room would have helped :D.
blondie606
18-01-2011, 18:20
I thought that once it was posted then that was it, do it once, and do it right - that's certainly how i've approached things :shrug:
(bearing in mind, my shot was a focus-stack (well - out of focus stack) of 6 shots, the scope for tweaking and fiddling with it would have been immense... could have still been faffing with it in december 2012 :lol:)
Hiya BigYin:wave:
Can you tell me what software/photosuite (or whatever you call it) you use to do focus-stacking ? I've had a little google (thanks Nic for the info) & looked at Helicon but not sure if I'd be better upgrading to a version of Photoshop ? I currently only have PSE 7
thanks in advance,Lynne
i use lightroom 2 with the blend / enfuse plugin! :)
I rather like these new rules but I suspect that there will be a flurry of entries in the last couple of days. Like Sarah, I am also relying on Mother Nature which is a bit of a pain. Starting to panic a bit now, so took a photo today to have something to post, just in case.
Having next month's theme already is great, but making me a bit schizophrenic - half of me wants some nice warm sunny weather to get my new beginnings and the other half wants some bright and cold days to get my Sooooo cold :cuckoo:
Jenny
TheBigYin
18-01-2011, 20:33
I rather like these new rules but I suspect that there will be a flurry of entries in the last couple of days. Like Sarah, I am also relying on Mother Nature which is a bit of a pain. Starting to panic a bit now, so took a photo today to have something to post, just in case.
Having next month's theme already is great, but making me a bit schizophrenic - half of me wants some nice warm sunny weather to get my new beginnings and the other half wants some bright and cold days to get my Sooooo cold :cuckoo:
Jenny
Yep - i'm fairly sure that all hell is going to break out on Monday 31st with everyone frantically shooting over the last weekend. At least it's stopped the "60 posts in the first half hour" though.
As far as next month goes, I'm already working on a few ideas on the cold theme that don't need nature's co-operation, just to get something as a backup, but unless they come out something special, I think I may hold fire and hope for chilly weather!
leftcurl
19-01-2011, 08:17
panic over... well almost. i've got BOTH my ideas for Jan and Feb.. just need a couple of props and i'm on my way.
don't know if i should have posted that until i've actually got the shots i want.. but i couldn't help myself after being totally blank of ideas until now!
give me March and April's theme... i'm on a roll! :D
Well, I was not planning to post yet, but today I got a shot that I was reasonably happy with, so I can now concentrate on next month.
I can supply exif, if required. Paintshop Pro 7 (Yes, I am back in the dark ages), as far as I know, does not retain exif.
Jenny
I was happy with my entry until I saw others!! Ha!
TheBigYin
20-01-2011, 22:50
I was happy with my entry until I saw others!! Ha!
I think I've had 24 months of that so far :lol:
So thats 53 enteries now then?...Thats a reasonable turn out!? How many will dwindle away throughout the year?
philthejuggler
21-01-2011, 13:49
So thats 53 enteries now then?...Thats a reasonable turn out!? How many will dwindle away throughout the year?
Not me!!! I was shocked at how many in the 2010_52 dropped out - I was determined to make it to the end! Hard at times though...
Phil
I'd like quite a few more but, as has been said, there will be quite a few entries in the last couple of days.
TheBigYin
21-01-2011, 15:12
So thats 53 enteries now then?...Thats a reasonable turn out!? How many will dwindle away throughout the year?
Well - hopefully it'll be a bit better than last couple of years :shrug: I'd also love to see more people entering than last year - I enjoy this competition, and would hate to see it stagnate or become too insular.
Entries by Month
2009 2010
jan 165 133 -32
feb 140 151 11
mar 129 165 36
apr 120 96 -24
may 76 66 -10
jun 95 85 -10
jul 95 70 -25
aug 63 93 30
sep 98 108 10
oct 91 59 -32
nov 79 35 -44
dec 85 67 -18
1236 1128
Not me!!! I was shocked at how many in the 2010_52 dropped out - I was determined to make it to the end! Hard at times though...
Phil
There cannot have been more than 10 of us 52's left by the end of last year, Phil. We are an elite group! Once I make a commitment like this, I try my very best, barring unforeseen circumstances, to make it through to the end.
I managed to complete POTY 2009 and I hope to complete POTY 2011. I hope there are plenty of entrants this year.
Jenny
PS: I just wanted to add that I love your stats, Mark. Keep up the good work :thumbs:
blondie606
21-01-2011, 19:21
I'm gonna try my hardest to stick with it for the year :clap:
I wll fall down though when the theme is anything to do with HDR or similar cos I don't have the editing stuff or the knowledge.Yet...
Tis good fun though
TheBigYin
21-01-2011, 20:35
The attrition rate for the POTY has been pretty high for the last couple of years - in 2009 only 16 out of the 482 entrants managed to enter all 12 months, and in 2010 there were only 12 out of 447. Still - it's possible to feature very highly on the leaderboard without doing every month - Vulkan75 came second and only entered 10 of the months :shrug:
Glad the stats are working for you Jenny - It's just my little way of putting a little back for all that I've got out of this place :)
Oh - and as far as hitting problems down the line Lynne... do as I've done for the last 2 years - ask for help in the appropriate bit of the forum, and someone will help you out - it's really the best way of learning.
Well back again for another go this year!
I started off well last time and ending up missing 8 months I think due to some bad long term news. Still finished 27th which shocked me!! lol
So starting again this year!
Well back again for another go this year!
I started off well last time and ending up missing 8 months I think due to some bad long term news. Still finished 27th which shocked me!! lol
So starting again this year!
Need to check the new rules though. Images must now be taken for the competition and therefore be taken after the theme is announced. Also, Once you have entered, your entry can not be changed.
I think we're going to see a rush of entries on the last day.
Last year I was one of those guilty of rushing to put a shot up in the first few hours as a placeholder, this year I'm taking my time I already have a shot that in my mind fit's the theme, last year I would have already posted it by now but this year I want to post it until I'm sure that I can't improve upon it.
Lynne don't worry about things like that we did HDR last year and within hours of it being posted as the subject people on here posted links to free trial software that we could use, the same can be said of the high speed round people are willing to help you to get that shot posted in the competition.
Need to check the new rules though. Images must now be taken for the competition and therefore be taken after the theme is announced. Also, Once you have entered, your entry can not be changed.
Ooooops.... Am I ok to change it if it has broken the rule? The pic was from nov 2010
Ooooops.... Am I ok to change it if it has broken the rule? The pic was from nov 2010
I'll delete the post and you can post the new one when you've taken it.
I'll delete the post and you can post the new one when you've taken it.
Thank you! That could have been a bad start lol
SarahLee
22-01-2011, 10:28
I was happy with my entry until I saw others!! Ha!
That's exactly why I'm not looking :lol: :lol: :lol:
Not me!!! I was shocked at how many in the 2010_52 dropped out - I was determined to make it to the end! Hard at times though...
Phil
Ditto.
If I can do one a week last year, surely I can manage 1 a month for 2011!
I'd like quite a few more but, as has been said, there will be quite a few entries in the last couple of days.
Yep. Mine will be there.
I now have two back-up shots to choose between, but I'm still holding on until the end of the month in the hope that good old Mother Nature gives me the chance to do what I really want.
One way or another though, there will be an entry from me before 31st Jan.
Amnesia, I think I am correct in saying the photo for this competition has to have never been used / seen on TP before.....? Sorry!
blondie606
22-01-2011, 19:29
I think we're going to see a rush of entries on the last day.
Last year I was one of those guilty of rushing to put a shot up in the first few hours as a placeholder, this year I'm taking my time I already have a shot that in my mind fit's the theme, last year I would have already posted it by now but this year I want to post it until I'm sure that I can't improve upon it.
Lynne don't worry about things like that we did HDR last year and within hours of it being posted as the subject people on here posted links to free trial software that we could use, the same can be said of the high speed round people are willing to help you to get that shot posted in the competition.
Cheers Karl :thumbs: Gonna give it a go just think I may have to give up the day job to dedicate my time to photography:D
Just spotted your Avatar...is that your own shot ? Now why didn't I think ofthat for this months photo :bonk:
Just Dave
22-01-2011, 19:41
Amnesia, I think I am correct in saying the photo for this competition has to have never been used / seen on TP before.....? Sorry!
Ive pmd him a while ago (rather than put it on this thread, just to give him the heads up, and not embarrass him) (But seeing you have put it on here, thought Id let you know) ,he must have missed the rules, hes still got time to change it though :thumbs:
Entries must not have been previously shown elsewhere on Talk Photography, and must remain so until voting for the round has ended.
Dave
Ive pmd him a while ago (rather than put it on this thread, just to give him the heads up, and not embarrass him) (But seeing you have put it on here, thought Id let you know) ,he must have missed the rules, hes still got time to change it though :thumbs:
Entries must not have been previously shown elsewhere on Talk Photography, and must remain so until voting for the round has ended.
Dave
Crikey!! Now I feel bad! If you feel a PM is more suitable, fair enough! My angle is this is the discussion thread for the entry thread. If someone else missed the rule, maybe they might see it here and that, in my opinion, is more usefull? :shrug:
My intension wasn't to embarress him!!....
Just Dave
22-01-2011, 20:19
My angle is this is the discussion thread for the entry thread. If someone else missed the rule, maybe they might see it here and that, in my opinion, is more usefull? :shrug:
My intension wasn't to embarress him!!....
they more likely to see a PM, and more likely to miss the thread, and end up with the image disqualified
maybe embarrass is a bit strong soz
:)
I think we both have valid points? :thumbs:
Had to re-upload mine to flickr as I fell foul of what has been pointed out, flickr "loses" the exif for the resized images. That's a real bummer that I bet many others might fall into the same trap...
Anyway, I also tried to upload the picture as a 1000x667 pixel 197kbytes ("197 KB on disk (196,445 bytes)") sized image, but that failed as it was too big. The rules say "1024 pixels along their longest side, and if hosted by us in our free gallery, also have a maximum filesize of 200kb". Now what's the *real* limit on the size of pictures that we can upload :-) ?
leftcurl
23-01-2011, 17:32
Amnesia, I think I am correct in saying the photo for this competition has to have never been used / seen on TP before.....? Sorry!
he did read the rules over and over again... but then just completely forgot everything he'd read. :D
sorry.. couldn't resist
TheBigYin
23-01-2011, 20:07
Had to re-upload mine to flickr as I fell foul of what has been pointed out, flickr "loses" the exif for the resized images. That's a real bummer that I bet many others might fall into the same trap...
Anyway, I also tried to upload the picture as a 1000x667 pixel 197kbytes ("197 KB on disk (196,445 bytes)") sized image, but that failed as it was too big. The rules say "1024 pixels along their longest side, and if hosted by us in our free gallery, also have a maximum filesize of 200kb". Now what's the *real* limit on the size of pictures that we can upload :-) ?
1024px longest side is okay, provided your file is hosted externally (flickr or where-ever). TP's own gallery is restricted to 800px longest side and ,max size of 200kb.
Also - if you link to flickr in the manner that Flickr require - i.e. with the picture providing a "back link" to the flickr page, then it's easy enough for someone to check the exif within flickr.
TheBigYin
23-01-2011, 20:20
Revill74 / photogentic - you might both like to have a look at the rules for submission to this competition... more specifically, the dates where you're photographs were taken needs to be after 12-12-2010, 21:19. :(
Mark, I'm going to create a separate post highlighting the changes in the rules and make it a sticky.
TheBigYin
23-01-2011, 21:31
Mark, I'm going to create a separate post highlighting the changes in the rules and make it a sticky.
I think in the case of the 2 members I mentioned, they're very new here - below the threshold for PM's or i'd have mentioned it that way to 'em - so its probably more that they just haven't read the rules at all.
I DO think that something for the "POTY veterans" highlighting the rule changes will be a good idea though :thumbs:
PMs kick in after 1 post. I've PMd both of them to explain.
TheBigYin
23-01-2011, 21:44
PMs kick in after 1 post. I've PMd both of them to explain.
Aaahh - for some reason I thought it was 5 posts :bonk:
Aaahh - for some reason I thought it was 5 posts :bonk:
I think it was when the restriction was first introduced but it was later changed to 1. It was for a specific reason but I can't remember what it was. :bonk:
TheBigYin
25-01-2011, 13:29
So - we've had plenty of pictures posed that were taken before the competition - but where do we stand with shots that haven't been taken for another 10 months (http://www.flickr.com/photos/31871731@N03/5349820346/meta/) :thinking:
:lol: Set you're camera's clock Digitall :lol:
foggy4ever
25-01-2011, 16:36
Ask him for next weeks lottery numbers:D
phil8139
25-01-2011, 19:32
As it's set for Nov, we can use the lottery wins till then :lol:
In the rules you linked to it says
To respect people that still access the internet via slow internet connections, or those that are running small screen resolutions, images displayed in posts should be no larger than 1024 pixels along their longest side, and if hosted by us in our free gallery, also have a maximum filesize of 200kb.
and
There is a system in place to automatically shrink large images down for easier viewing. The default value is to shrink to 800x800 pixels.
If you would like to lower this value or maybe increase it to the maximum 1024x1024, then you can enter a different size in your User Control Panel > Options.
Correct me if I'm being stupid, but does this mean we can now just post the image at whatever size and the auto resizer will ensure we don't break the rules? Or do we still have to do something else to ensure it's not disqualified?
I think the rule changes are an excellent idea, particularly "no placeholders" and "must be taken this month".
I also think that "please do not vote for your own entry" is a good idea but since it is impossible to enforce, it just gives an unfair advantage to the people who disregard the rule. It would be much fairer to let everybody vote for their own entry. OR to have some kind of system where it is actually impossible to vote for yourself, but that is unlikely to be possible to implement.
As it stands the rule is "break this rule for one extra vote" which seems stupid to me.
Everyone voting for themselves is the same as no-one voting for themselves and much easier to allow.
The attrition rate for the POTY has been pretty high for the last couple of years - in 2009 only 16 out of the 482 entrants managed to enter all 12 months, and in 2010 there were only 12 out of 447. Still - it's possible to feature very highly on the leaderboard without doing every month - Vulkan75 came second and only entered 10 of the months :shrug:
Glad the stats are working for you Jenny - It's just my little way of putting a little back for all that I've got out of this place :)
Oh - and as far as hitting problems down the line Lynne... do as I've done for the last 2 years - ask for help in the appropriate bit of the forum, and someone will help you out - it's really the best way of learning.
I'm sure I will do the same as 2009 and 2010 - enter every month for the first three or four months, forget about it for a while, put in one odd one-off entry in September, give up for the end of the year and wait for 2012 for a "fresh new start" :lol:
Hey don't knock it, it's worked well for me so far :lol:
In the rules you linked to it says
To respect people that still access the internet via slow internet connections, or those that are running small screen resolutions, images displayed in posts should be no larger than 1024 pixels along their longest side, and if hosted by us in our free gallery, also have a maximum filesize of 200kb.
and
There is a system in place to automatically shrink large images down for easier viewing. The default value is to shrink to 800x800 pixels.
If you would like to lower this value or maybe increase it to the maximum 1024x1024, then you can enter a different size in your User Control Panel > Options.
Correct me if I'm being stupid, but does this mean we can now just post the image at whatever size and the auto resizer will ensure we don't break the rules? Or do we still have to do something else to ensure it's not disqualified?
No, the limit is still 1024, the resizer is there for people who prefer to view at 800 pixels. If we allowed any size, the file sizes would be huge as people will attempt to upload full res images.
I think the rule changes are an excellent idea, particularly "no placeholders" and "must be taken this month".
I also think that "please do not vote for your own entry" is a good idea but since it is impossible to enforce, it just gives an unfair advantage to the people who disregard the rule. It would be much fairer to let everybody vote for their own entry. OR to have some kind of system where it is actually impossible to vote for yourself, but that is unlikely to be possible to implement.
As it stands the rule is "break this rule for one extra vote" which seems stupid to me.
Everyone voting for themselves is the same as no-one voting for themselves and much easier to allow.
I see your point but it used to be the case that you were allowed to vote for yourself but it wasn't considered the done thing. The new rule just cements that. Also, there are ways to check up on these. ;)
TheBigYin
26-01-2011, 15:44
...it used to be the case that you were allowed to vote for yourself but it wasn't considered the done thing. The new rule just cements that. Also, there are ways to check up on these. ;)
I've seen polls where the voters names have been shown by the side of each option... Presumably, there's an option for staff to view a poll in this way, even if it's not displayed to the outside world in this manner. :thinking:
If this is the case, can I ask - will the negative vote rule be brought in :naughty:
Well it doesn’t look like I’m going to get another night without cloud cover before the end of the month so I’ll submit my entry now.
I may need to point out that as my entry doesn’t show the exif as I’d like it due to the fact that it contains around 277 shot’s made into one I can if needed supply one of those shots for examination.
Just put my entry in, pretty chuffed with it!
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