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busterboy
29-09-2007, 09:42
I always thought the english spelling was Colours but the spell checker tells me Colors.:thinking:

Any english experts out there..:help:

Tattoo
29-09-2007, 09:48
Colours english spelling
Colors american english spelling

Organic
29-09-2007, 09:54
The spell checker probably has a US English dictionary.

moomike
29-09-2007, 14:18
Colourise with a "z" instead of an "s" is one that always gets me too - I presumed that colourize was an american spelling :shrug:
I had a look on the dictionary & both spellings are correct & mean exactly the same thing too (both english)

Lady Pitstop
29-09-2007, 16:34
Colourise with a "z" instead of an "s" is one that always gets me too - I presumed that colourize was an american spelling :shrug:


More aestetically (now that's a tricky word to spell!) pleasing to the eye with a 'z'! :lol:

Joe T
29-09-2007, 16:39
Colours english spelling
Colors american english spelling

:agree:

Ladybird
29-09-2007, 17:01
I always thought the english spelling was Colours

:

:agree:

inaneredstripe
29-09-2007, 18:03
bloody american spell checkers(WINDOWS). its C O L O U R .
and the word burglarize does exist.

inaneredstripe
29-09-2007, 18:05
but only in the united states of america.

JPS
29-09-2007, 18:20
This is one reason why we have a nation of youths growing up with spelling problems at the minute - way too much reliance on Windows and other spell checkers that default to a US version.

Mind you, all those American TV cop shows and the like are making our youngsters think that 911 is the emergency number in the UK too instead of 999 (or the new 112)

inaneredstripe
29-09-2007, 18:24
yeh, dey is cool.wid da fed,s an dat.

mij
01-10-2007, 15:23
"-ize" is correct British English. It comes directly from the Greek (-izein) via Latin (-izare) and is the primary form used by the OED and most other British dictionaries, as well as being recommend by the OUP and Fowlers etc. The "-ise" form is from the French derivation (-iser) of the Latin and was rare in any use of English until the twentieth century.

The exception to this rule are words which have not taken "-ize" as a verbal suffix such as "advertise". This is a back-formation from the noun "advertisement" and as such is always spelled with an "s", both in Britain and America.

As for the word "burglarize", it came into the English language in the late nineteenth century a year earlier than "burgle" was first used. At the time both were disapproved of by language scholars but "burgle" was seen as the more vulgar being an irregular verb created as a back-formation from the much older noun "burglar".

Not really sure how the latter became the dominant form in Britain when it was the newer of the two and the poorer use of English, with the addition of the "-ize" suffix being the 'proper' way (if there can be such a thing) to create a verb.

Where they are difference between the common forms of English used in Britain and other countries, especially America, British people tend to assume some kind of faux superiority as though only one form can possibly be correct, and often showing complete ignorance of the etymology of the words and their cultural context.

As such most British people assume that the word "burglar" is derived from "burgle" and ridicule the use of "burglarize" as they believe it to be unnecessarily turning a verb into a noun into a verb.

Finally, the American spelling of "color" is a result of the American teacher Noah Webster who while writing his dictionary decided to eradicate some of the contradictions that had occurred in English. The "-or" suffix was actually correct in Old English, as much as it can be in a time when there were no standardized spellings, having come from the Latin. But from the time of the Norman conquest French began to have a significant impact on the English language, amongst other things transforming the spelling to the "-our" form used today.

One of Webster's dislikes at having to teach from British textbooks was that the English language of the common man had been corrupted by aristocracy, with this being one such example. Just as the American revolution had been about freedom from such institutions and everyone being equal, he saw a need for the same sort of revolution in language to reclaim it for ordinary use.

As a result of this he aimed to tidy up English by standardizing spellings and removing contradictions. Most obviously they was the dropping of the superfluous "u" in the "-our" suffix and correcting the "-re" one to "-er".

Not all of his changes were accepted, such as changing the phonetically highly irregular "neighbour" to "nabor". While due to a similar, though less successful, movement to simply English in British saw others become the normal form in British English, such as dropping the "u" from some words, such as "exterior", or dropping the "k" from words like "musick".

Incidentally another of his changes was the spelling "connection" so that it became formed by the word "connect" with the suffix "-tion", as analogous to words like "inspection". This spelling only gained use in Britain relatively recently replacing the 'correct' British spelling of "connexion", which I seem to be the only person to still use - and I am not that old!

While a lot of people condemn 'Americanisms', they usually do so while using them!

Michael.

cjnicolai
01-10-2007, 15:33
Well, Amen, Michael! That was refreshing.

- CJ

Marcel
01-10-2007, 16:45
That was a brilliant post. :clap: I love learning little things like this :)

But I'm afraid I'm still non the wiser.

I understand where the spelling of color come from and why, etc, but which is the 'correct way'?

dazzajl
01-10-2007, 16:51
:clap::clap::clap:

I suddenly feel rather simple. :lol:

busterboy
01-10-2007, 17:51
"-ize" is correct British English. It comes directly from the Greek (-izein) via Latin (-izare) and is the primary form used by the OED and most other British dictionaries, as well as being recommend by the OUP and Fowlers etc. The "-ise" form is from the French derivation (-iser) of the Latin and was rare in any use of English until the twentieth century.

The exception to this rule are words which have not taken "-ize" as a verbal suffix such as "advertise". This is a back-formation from the noun "advertisement" and as such is always spelled with an "s", both in Britain and America.

As for the word "burglarize", it came into the English language in the late nineteenth century a year earlier than "burgle" was first used. At the time both were disapproved of by language scholars but "burgle" was seen as the more vulgar being an irregular verb created as a back-formation from the much older noun "burglar".

Not really sure how the latter became the dominant form in Britain when it was the newer of the two and the poorer use of English, with the addition of the "-ize" suffix being the 'proper' way (if there can be such a thing) to create a verb.

Where they are difference between the common forms of English used in Britain and other countries, especially America, British people tend to assume some kind of faux superiority as though only one form can possibly be correct, and often showing complete ignorance of the etymology of the words and their cultural context.

As such most British people assume that the word "burglar" is derived from "burgle" and ridicule the use of "burglarize" as they believe it to be unnecessarily turning a verb into a noun into a verb.

Finally, the American spelling of "color" is a result of the American teacher Noah Webster who while writing his dictionary decided to eradicate some of the contradictions that had occurred in English. The "-or" suffix was actually correct in Old English, as much as it can be in a time when there were no standardized spellings, having come from the Latin. But from the time of the Norman conquest French began to have a significant impact on the English language, amongst other things transforming the spelling to the "-our" form used today.

One of Webster's dislikes at having to teach from British textbooks was that the English language of the common man had been corrupted by aristocracy, with this being one such example. Just as the American revolution had been about freedom from such institutions and everyone being equal, he saw a need for the same sort of revolution in language to reclaim it for ordinary use.

As a result of this he aimed to tidy up English by standardizing spellings and removing contradictions. Most obviously they was the dropping of the superfluous "u" in the "-our" suffix and correcting the "-re" one to "-er".

Not all of his changes were accepted, such as changing the phonetically highly irregular "neighbour" to "nabor". While due to a similar, though less successful, movement to simply English in British saw others become the normal form in British English, such as dropping the "u" from some words, such as "exterior", or dropping the "k" from words like "musick".

Incidentally another of his changes was the spelling "connection" so that it became formed by the word "connect" with the suffix "-tion", as analogous to words like "inspection". This spelling only gained use in Britain relatively recently replacing the 'correct' British spelling of "connexion", which I seem to be the only person to still use - and I am not that old!

While a lot of people condemn 'Americanisms', they usually do so while using them!

Michael.


This gets my vote for the most informative post this year..:clap:

inaneredstripe
01-10-2007, 18:16
didnt understand a word of it.

cjnicolai
01-10-2007, 18:41
You might be surprised at the percentage of Americans who feel utterly self-conscious about their pronunciation and grammar when speaking to anyone with a British accent. We Americans have a linguistic inferiority complex.

Forbiddenbiker
01-10-2007, 18:44
That was a brilliant post. :clap: I love learning little things like this :)

But I'm afraid I'm still non the wiser.

I understand where the spelling of color come from and why, etc, but which is the 'correct way'?


Stop will ya.

Colour is the correct way for a Brit.

If you like that sort of thing get yourself a copy of Bill Bryson's, Mother Tongue. Fascinating and often very funny book about the origin of English words.

Highly Recomended.

inaneredstripe
01-10-2007, 18:50
dont americans think we all either talk like the queen, or were cockneys?:)
air hair lair
( oh hello. think about it,)

or awite gav.fa**In ell.appuws n peaaars.

cjnicolai
01-10-2007, 18:56
dont americans think we all either talk like the queen, or were cockneys?:)
air hair lair
( oh hello. think about it,)



Yes, pretty much. Let me put it this way: my parents, never having been out of the US despite wanting to for years, truly believe that the British sound like **** Van Dyke in Mary Poppins. ;)

In truth, many here can't tell the Queen's accent from a cockney accent. Oh, the shame.

dazzajl
01-10-2007, 22:26
the British sound like **** Van Dyke in Mary Poppins

Ah, if only eh. ;):lol:

Ratty
01-10-2007, 22:29
More aestetically (now that's a tricky word to spell!) pleasing to the eye with a 'z'! :lol:
Almost as hard to spell correctly as 'aesthetically' can be but less pleasing to the eye ;)

Toothie
02-10-2007, 20:33
being dyslexic as long as *** know what im trying to say im not to bothered if its correct, however, loving windows spell check and firefox has one which made my day :)