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Sensor crop size that is.
I'm really interested in some honest opinions of which you'd go for as I'm thinking of adding another body to my bag. I'm also equally interested in the reasons you wouldn't go for either.
The 1DS Mk 2 is way too much for my pocket, but Canon now offer the 1:1 5D and the 1:3 1D Mk2 N, both of which I can stretch to.
My main interests are general walk round photography and some wildlife photography. I live too far away from landscapes not made of concrete to be too concerned about that obvious advantage of the 1:1 sensor and I have no intention of investing in the enormous tele lenses I'd need to really exploit a 1:1 sensor for wildlife shots, so I'm obviously leaning towards the 1D Mk2, but I'd really appreciate any thoughts on the subject from you guys.
Wildlife - bad weather, long distances, speed. 1D MkII2.
To me it's the perfect camera, it's all positive and I don't need prints over A4 so 8MP is fine. The 5D doesn't have the weatherproofing, it's too slow for action, the full frame sensor means you need genuinely long lenses, it's almost like buying into a new system.
I know it's just my subject preferences but for me there's absolutely nothing would make me choose the 5D over the 1D.
BTW, why are you thinking about an upgrade from the 20D?
I hate to say it but for exactly the same reasons as dod has typed above my choice would also be the 1D MkII n and actually save some money if you can still source a non "n" model.
If you where shooting landscapes and the weatherproofing didn't interest you then the 5D would probably be a better choice but you aint and it does, if you see what I mean ;)
BTW, why are you thinking about an upgrade from the 20D?
Well.. I was, but Jan has this fantastic little compact she uses, which is pretty good but it's limitations were bought home to her on a recent zoo visit. In short, she now appreciates all those expensive lenses she's moaned about in the past - so much so that she's developing quite an interest in the 20D, so we'll be hanging onto it, which I can't exactly say I'm too cracked up about. :D
Ohh more competition :FIcamerap
Does that mean that she will be regestering now as well?
Say hello to Jan from me :)
LOL I will do Steve. I just might get her to register yet when I can get her to take it off full auto. Mind you, considering some of the results she gets in that mode, it makes you wonder sometimes. ;)
1D Mk2/n all the way mate, i would buy one in an instant if i could afford it, the weatherproofing and speed would easily give me the reasons needed ! To me the 5 is still a waste of money for the type of photography i do (ie random some good mostly bad ;))
Oh and say hi to Jan from me too :)
Jan says "Hi" :)
Thanks for the feedback folks, it's nice to have my thoughts echoed - I intend to have this camera a long time - so it's not a casual purchase, I don't want to make a mistake. :whistling
I dont think you can make a mistake with one of them mate :) Will be my next purchase at some point in the probably distant future ! lol by then the 2d will be out ;)
You will have to make the choice sooner or later, so you may as well make it now.
If the 1Ds mk2 is out of the question, then you only have one choice 1d mk2.
I don't think the 5D is the route to go from the 20D.
Has Jan already kidnapped the camera? if so you'd better get your skates on.
You will have to make the choice sooner or later, so you may as well make it now.
If the 1Ds mk2 is out of the question, then you only have one choice 1d mk2.
I don't think the 5D is the route to go from the 20D.
Has Jan already kidnapped the camera? if so you'd better get your skates on.
Matt I hear you mate - watch this space.;)
She hasn't kidnapped it, she's privileged to get the occasional use of it. :p I'm actually really pleased that she's showing an interest. I wonder how many photographic wives would tell a very different version of their day out - hanging around while we're wrapped up in what we're doing. :FIcamerap
I don't want to make a mistake. :whistling
If you do may I be the first to offer to help you ease the pain. I'll pay postage, my address is... :naughty:
:D Thanks Doddy - you're all heart! I think I missed the "Why" in your earlier question? I'm not dissatisfied with the 20D - far from it, but I've had a couple of rainy days with it recently and I've spent more time worrying about keeping it dry than taking shots, which was also a problem for most of the gang on the Chester Zoo trip. So that's one big factor and there are other advantages - faster autofocus, spot and multi spot metering - a huuuge buffer, writing to CF and SD cards simultaneously (and at the same time) the list goes on.
And the real clincher is it just feels like it's carved from a brick and I want a ****er. :beer:
and I want a ****er. :beer:
Whats that got to do with a camera then ? ;) LOL :coat:
So I take it that you have ordered a nice new Canon 1d(n)MKII then? When is it expected to arrive :)
Just placed my order! The outgoing model is getting rarer than hens teeth as people snap them up, although some places do have a few. I think the N model has some nice improvements though, so that's what I've ordered. First stocks are expected in the next month and I'm happy (well ... reasonably) to wait.:)
Thanks for the feedback... and the kick up the arse. ;)
Thanks for the feedback... and the kick up the arse. ;)
No problem, anytime :lol:
Owww, we demand the obligatory pictures when it arrives... father and new baby ;)
Baby pics - no problem, but it depends if father has been arsed to shave that morning. :naughty:
Good decision :thumb:
I'm happy (well ... reasonably) to wait.:)
I hate waiting for anything, I've just went and ordered the 100-400, now I just want it here, now, immediately :annoyed:
Good move Doddy! :thumb: That lens is absolutely the nuts - you'll love it.
I'm not good at waiting either, but it's not as though I don't have a decent camera while I'm waiting, so for once I'm not too bothered.
I have been waiting for over a year to add the Canon 300m F4 L IS lens to my collection. With the recent move and the current situation it looks like it could be another year at least...so bah humbug to you two and don't talk to me about waiting :nono:
Hope so ;) Was sorely tempted by the sigma 100-300 F4 which seems to be very sharp, and cheaper, but the IS and extra 100mm finally swung it.
LOL@Steve.
The IS on the 100-400L is a lifesaver. I've got away with some silly hand held shots that I really shoudn't have - 1/80 at 400mm. The problem is you want all your lenses to be IS.
The IS on the 100-400L is a lifesaver. I've got away with some silly hand held shots that I really shoudn't have - 1/80 at 400mm. The problem is you want all your lenses to be IS.
This was the clincher for me. In the shop, 1/30 at 400mm, 100% crop, sorry to crap your thread CT :coat:
http://premium1.uploadit.org/scottydod//400test.jpg
No probs mate, I got what I wanted from the thread. Did you buy the Leica then? :D
Just had a phone call from Warehouse Express - they're sending it out today and it should be with me tomorrow. :banana:
I've been OK up to now, but now I really can't wait!
good news CT, bet you don't sleep tonight :banana:
I know.. like a kid at Christmas.. a bit sad really. :D
So hopefully we'll finally see some decent shots from CT then.... ;)
Just had a phone call from Warehouse Express - they're sending it out today and it should be with me tomorrow. :banana:
I've been OK up to now, but now I really can't wait!
Thats great news buddy :thumb:
Can we expect a full written review including unboxing pictures? I presume that Jan is going to intercept it from the postman and put it away until Christmas. It would be so wrong for you to set a bad example and have a pressy before then ;)
Thats great news buddy :thumb:
Can we expect a full written review including unboxing pictures?
Well, it was a surprise Steve, I expected at least a month wait.
Unboxing pics - definitely. :D
Written review- will do when I've RTFM :icon_eek:
I presume that Jan is going to intercept it from the postman and put it away until Christmas. It would be so wrong for you to set a bad example and have a pressy before then ;)
I specialise in bad examples! :lol:
Nice one! A very nice cam [and a nice lens too - IS seems to be a tad effective].
busterboy
31-10-2005, 18:35
I have just had my brother at my house showing me his new 1DMk2N and I am mighty impressed with it. :thumb:
The larger viewfinder is much easier to read and pictures can be reviewed at ease instead of straining your eyes as I do with my 1DMk2.. :(
(A sign of getting older).. :yawn:
Another winner with the N model is changing from the Compact Flash to the SD card now, Hold 1 button down and toggle once with the wheel and its there in a second, With my older version it takes loads longer so another plus there with the N model.
A great purchase in anyones book IMO.. :woot:
Soooooo... Is it here yet, Is it here yet?????
Wait a minute, why am I so excited :Ponders:
Cos you know there's gonna be some camera pron here very soon!!!! :D
7.45 this morning! :thumb:
Stand by for the camera pron.;)
Couple of quick pics then..
http://www.thephotographyforums.com/albums/album23/1D_1.jpg
http://www.thephotographyforums.com/albums/album23/1D_2.jpg
Very brief initial impressions...
It's heavy!! The autofocus is lightning fast and 8 fps has to be seen to be believed. The viewfinder is much bigger and brighter, and the new larger screen is much easier to read in bright light, having larger fonts is useful for us old gits too. The build quality is just superb, it really feels the bizzo.
It's virtually impossible to change any setting without double entry by pressing a button and turning the command dial so that will take a bit of getting use to
You now know as much about it as I do, - I'm gonna sit down and wade through the manual. Deep joy in the fundamolds. :D
Huge congrats CT. :icon_cool :icon_cool :icon_cool
I really enjoy using the 1D MkII and this seems to be a nice step forward again.
Thanks Daz, I must admit I'm pretty made up. :)
Oh my indeed!
What he said :D
Congrats on the new toy mate :thumb:
<---Insanely Jealous.
Although it's definately too much camera for me...I'm still jealous :)
If you get bored with it CT let me know and ill take it off ya hands !!!! ;):coat: :nut:
don't get too excited there old man, wouldn't want you to go doing your back in lifting that lump :whistling
Looks more than a little bit desireable :banana:
Remember to condition the battery CT.
It doesn't say in the manual ( at least it didn't for the old 1DMKII ) but refresh the battery for the first three charges.
Then refresh occasionally.
Congrats.
It's a beast, you'll love it. :thumb:
I find the 1.3 crop factor the perfect balance since I enjoy all forms of photography.
Cameron
Now that you have your new toy, will you be joining us on the beaches?
congratulations on your new toy.
busterboy
01-11-2005, 15:48
<---Insanely Jealous.
Although it's definately too much camera for me..
I don't agree Bod.. :nono: You would be really at home with it after only a couple of hours use, Other than the extra weight and larger body the speed of the autofocus and drive mode is insane... :shock:
Congrats on your new camera CT. Enjoy it to the full, I love my 1DMk2. :thumb:
Now do some testing to ascertain if it's truly weather sealed... :tonofbric
Warspite
01-11-2005, 16:42
Thats some nice engineering ;)
Congratulations :thumb:
Remember to condition the battery CT.
It doesn't say in the manual ( at least it didn't for the old 1DMKII ) but refresh the battery for the first three charges.
Then refresh occasionally.
Thanks Cameron I was wondering about that. :thumb:
Now that you have your new toy, will you be joining us on the beaches?
I'd love to Matt, but I've got to be very doubtful we can make it at the moment. :headshake
Now do some testing to ascertain if it's truly weather sealed... :tonofbric
I've no doubts on that score having seen Matt leaving his 1DS MK11 out in pouring rain all day at Chester Zoo. Despite being ****ed on by the elephants and a couple of baboons it was still firing on all cylinders. :icon_eek:
I do need a waterproofed lens though to be really safe. ;)
I've no doubts on that score having seen Matt leaving his 1DS MK11 out in pouring rain all day at Chester Zoo. Despite being ****ed on by the elephants and a couple of baboons it was still firing on all cylinders. :icon_eek:
Yeah and the camera was still working well too :coat:
Congratulations CT. I am glad it has arrived and your initial impressions are favourable. BTW when you give Jan the 20D please get her to show you how to set the white balance correctly ;)
White balance! You mean that after all this time CT's been shooting Jpegs?!?!
I knew it! lol
Venomator
02-11-2005, 12:21
Sorry !
Sorry !
:Ponders: :Ponders: :Ponders:
Did I miss something?
Well I'm now totally in love with this camera. I think I've pretty well got to grips with it by playing with it and just referring to the manual when I was stumped. Now I just want to get out an use it and it's chucking it down. I know it's weather proof, but I'm not. :p
I did just manage this serious shot though..:D
http://www.thephotographyforums.com/albums/album23/Or5m2842_filtered.jpg
Spot metering - I can't tell you how much I've missed that.
The Op/tech neckstrap which IanC very kindly got for a few of us considerably lightens the weight even of this beast hanging round your neck. :thumb:
Thats looks like a self potrait of you waiting against the window the night before it arrived ;)
I am really pleased for you buddy, I know it will be looked after and above all used and enjoyed. Now all we have to wait for is some seriously good photos to warrant your outlay.
Now all we have to wait for is some seriously good photos to warrant your outlay.
Steady on! :icon_eek: :lol:
Hmmm, looks a bit plasticy to me....
CT, because the camera is so heavy I found the E1 hand strap really useful.
It was supplied as standard with the 1D but not the 1DMKII, maybe the 1DMKII-N has it.
If not I would recommend it.
Cameron
CT, because the camera is so heavy I found the E1 hand strap really useful.
It was supplied as standard with the 1D but not the 1DMKII, maybe the 1DMKII-N has it.
If not I would recommend it.
Cameron
No it don't got it Cameron,:annoyed: but I'm going to be getting one anyway. :thumb:
Venomator
08-11-2005, 22:24
:Ponders: :Ponders: :Ponders:
Did I miss something?
Only me being a class 1 :nut: Steve !
Case of engaging digits before brain ... and then not knowing how to get out of completely so rather than a blank screen with my name on I opted for the "Sorry " ! Sorry ! :stupid:
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