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Messiah Khan

04-12-2007, 21:20

Some of you may know ive been looking to attain a Licentiatship of the Royal Photographic society. For the last few months I have been putting together a panel of images which not only reflect technical competence and skill etc, but also flow well together. This is the part that I have been finding the most difficult. but I have finally managed to gather together a cohesive panel that im pleased to send off. The envelope containing my application form and entires is sat infront of me ready to post, so wish me luck. The final panel I chose is (In order);

1.
http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs22/f/2007/338/5/1/LRPS_01_by_MessiahKhan.jpg
2.
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2007/338/b/7/LRPS_02_by_MessiahKhan.jpg
3.
http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs23/f/2007/338/8/e/LRPS_03_by_MessiahKhan.jpg
4.
http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs23/f/2007/338/9/8/LRPS_04_by_MessiahKhan.jpg
5.
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2007/338/8/e/LRPS_05_by_MessiahKhan.jpg
6.
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2007/338/a/0/LRPS_06_by_MessiahKhan.jpg
7.
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs23/f/2007/338/5/1/LRPS_07_by_MessiahKhan.jpg
8.
http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs23/f/2007/338/2/b/LRPS_08_by_MessiahKhan.jpg
9.
http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2007/338/6/3/LRPS_09_by_MessiahKhan.jpg
10.
http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs23/f/2007/338/8/1/LRPS_10_by_MessiahKhan.jpg

DiddyDave

04-12-2007, 21:24

Well, I've seen some others' LRPS work and for what my opinion is worth I think you should walk it m8

All the best and let us know soonest how you got on

DD

Miss McT

04-12-2007, 21:25

I've seen these pics a zillion times but each time I see them I think 'wow' :)

Ajophotog

04-12-2007, 21:27

Super set MK you should be fine I reckon(Not that I'm an authority on getting a L) Just 2 things I noticed, the church is leaning to the right and the horizon is slightly lower on the left in #10. superb series of shots though and you must be pleased with these.

dod

04-12-2007, 21:44

very nice series, best of luck with the panel :thumbs:

chenng

04-12-2007, 22:47

Hello...

I have seen numerous LRPS panels, and attended a RPS workshop a while back. I would argue that this is beyond LRPS, and up to ARPS standard. Superb set! Good luck with it, I am sure you will have no problems! :clap:

Out of curiosity, what size prints did you decide on?

Gary

Messiah Khan

04-12-2007, 22:56

Thanks everyone.

Just 2 things I noticed, the church is leaning to the right and the horizon is slightly lower on the left in #10.

Damn, the leaning church was commented on a while ago as well, but I forgot to fix it. Im not going to unpack the envelope and redo it, so lets hope it doesn't work against me too much.

Hello...

I have seen numerous LRPS panels, and attended a RPS workshop a while back. I would argue that this is beyond LRPS, and up to ARPS standard. Superb set! Good luck with it, I am sure you will have no problems! :clap:

Out of curiosity, what size prints did you decide on?

Gary

Cheers. Im hoping to go for an ARPS once ive got a LRPS. Will probably be concentrating on my insect macrography for that though. Ive not gone for prints. Im submitting the set digitally. I do almost everything digital, and show all my work on the internet so I felt it was more appropriate. Ive also not got enough experience to feel confident about printing and mounting well enough. There is a small chance of an exhibition through my local club sometime next year which will require me to do a load of 20x16 prints which should give me plenty of practice.

steveinspain

04-12-2007, 22:58

Yeah, like you are going to struggle...
Easy Peasy, I say.
Good luck and what a fab set of pictures.
One day it'll be me doing the same - just need some pictures first....

InaGlo

04-12-2007, 23:10

Wishing you all the best on this MK ... some of my forum favourites of this year among your selection.
Will keep my fingers crossed for you, though I doubt you need it. :thumbs:

chewyuk

04-12-2007, 23:39

Take a bow Sir - These are Exquisite - with a capital E - You'll fly it. Good Luck.

richmond

04-12-2007, 23:46

Good Luck

Susane

05-12-2007, 07:13

For someone who only started in photography at the beginning of April this year your rise on the skills meter has been meteoric! :clap:
Good luck with your application Alasdair.:thumbs:

05-12-2007, 07:54

photostar_1

05-12-2007, 08:40

Well done A, not just fabulous pictures, but the set really does work in as much as each image has a link or 'lead' into the next. If they have any sense they will welcome you with open arms. :thumbs:

I absolutely agree! Superb work and I'm sure they will welcome you with wide-open arms.

boozybill

05-12-2007, 09:44

good luck, MK, superb :thumbs:

birdy961

05-12-2007, 09:49

Superb set MK, something there to inspire us all onwards I feel:clap::notworthy:

dellipher

05-12-2007, 09:53

Good Luck....I love image no 9

Weggy

06-12-2007, 10:36

I was looking at doing the LRPS but this has put me right off!

Cracking set of images there mate :clap:

Cuddy

06-12-2007, 10:44

Superb set all to a very high standard.

06-12-2007, 10:51

Cracking work MK. the only thing that jumps out at me is the loss of shadow detail in large areas in shot No2 which might get you problems on technical grounds, but I'm perhaps being over cautious - a great set and good luck! :thumbs:

antihero

06-12-2007, 11:26

excellent work, i'm sure you'll walk it!

mmcp42

06-12-2007, 11:29

Stunning set of pictures
fingers crossed for you - not that you need it
When do you get to hear?

Snake Man

06-12-2007, 11:40

For someone who only started in photography at the beginning of April this year your rise on the skills meter has been meteoric!

Only started in April! That it, my camera is in the bin.

Seriously though, this is a stunning set, I think you will walk it.

Jimmy_Lemon

06-12-2007, 12:07

Cracking shots, but not the ones I instantly thought of as your best MK, but as you said these flow really well and are still stunning images :D best of luck :thumbs:

Weggy

06-12-2007, 12:12

Do you have to go and present them in person, or is postal only acceptable to the panel?

macky799

06-12-2007, 12:16

Great set there good luck

Messiah Khan

06-12-2007, 14:14

Thank you for all your kind words everyone. :)

For someone who only started in photography at the beginning of April this year your rise on the skills meter has been meteoric! :clap:
Good luck with your application Alasdair.:thumbs:

Cheers Susane. Lets hope I keep progressing at the same rate in the future. It really has been a great year in every aspect and I have no intention on slowing down. This is only the beginning as they say.:)

Cracking work MK. the only thing that jumps out at me is the loss of shadow detail in large areas in shot No2 which might get you problems on technical grounds, but I'm perhaps being over cautious - a great set and good luck! :thumbs:

Cheers. I see what you mean about 2, but I hope I don't get marked down on technical ground on that one as it was done intentionally. The bits ive hidden in the shadows were boring imo and detracted from the interesting parts I wanted to show, ie the boat and steps. The one that annoys me more is number 9 where I should have straightened the spire. Lets hope they miss that.

Stunning set of pictures
fingers crossed for you - not that you need it
When do you get to hear?

Wednesday 2nd April, so a mighty long wait. Im sure i'll hate the shots ive entered by then. It will also be nearly 1 year to the day since I took up photography but hte time I hear. Wonder if I can get an ARPS in the following year.

Do you have to go and present them in person, or is postal only acceptable to the panel?

You have to post them in. Ive chosen to submit them digitally on CD, but you can also print them or present them on slide if you so wish. There is an option of attending the meeting down in Bath, but I chose not to as its a bit far to go for me. I might consider it if I go for the ARPS or FRPS though.

Weggy

06-12-2007, 15:11

One more question - do they have guidelines on how much manipulation and post-proccessing you're allowed to do?

Messiah Khan

06-12-2007, 16:05

One more question - do they have guidelines on how much manipulation and post-proccessing you're allowed to do?

Not a such. there is a hefty pdf document outlining the requirements available here;
http://www.rps.org/licentiateship/Distinctions-and-Qualifications-Booklet
The mian things they are looking at are: "technique, technical quality, visual awareness and communication". Im sure they would mark you down if the post processing/manipulation was rubbish or vastly overdone, but as long as its in keeping with what you are trying to communicate I don't think its a problem.

Janice

06-12-2007, 16:34

Absolutely certain you have nothing to worry about Alasdair. These are stunners :thumbs:

mmcp42

06-12-2007, 16:42

Wednesday 2nd April, so a mighty long wait.

could have been worse - April 1st! :nuts:

Wonder if I can get an ARPS in the following year.

I would put money on that!

alldone404

06-12-2007, 18:31

:thumbs: I just :love: number 6, the expression and the eyes say it all. :thumbs::thumbs:

Good Luck.

Dino f

06-12-2007, 19:29

Alasdair, i sincerly hope hope get the "L".
You truly deserve it. Those images are stunning and im a big fan of B&W and long exposures, i would be proud to have any of those in my portfolio.
Good luck mate.
Dean:)

jaimej

06-12-2007, 21:14

These are amazing, good luck.

natjag

06-12-2007, 21:22

Great shots. I know you've been looking at doing this for a while now. How soon will you find out. Oh just read 2 April. I wish I had the talent to attempt something like that.

davidbridges

06-12-2007, 21:26

Great shots, letting any secrets our about processing ?

Jaykay

06-12-2007, 22:55

Absolutely brilliant photos, you'll do great.

A.N.Other

07-12-2007, 00:41

Good luck! Deserving images :)

Messiah Khan

07-12-2007, 10:53

Thanks guys and girls.

could have been worse - April 1st! :nuts:

Hehe, yeah that wouldn't have been the best day would it; "Congratulations you have passed... April Fools you big failure, you failed hahaha!!" :lol:

Great shots, letting any secrets our about processing ?

I fair dose of dodging and burning with a sprinkling of duotoning. :)

moomike

07-12-2007, 11:48

Excellent set of images mate, am sure you'll get in no problem at all :thumbs:

TG.

07-12-2007, 12:26

For someone who only started in photography at the beginning of April this year your rise on the skills meter has been meteoric!

blimey i did,ent realize this, which makes these shots all the more amazing, absolutely superb mate, reluctant to say good luck because no way will you need it :thumbs:

ARP

26-03-2008, 07:37

Jelster

26-03-2008, 11:51

Great set there, I wish you all the best...

ps. Where do you find old wrinkly miners these days ? ;)

Steve

Messiah Khan

26-03-2008, 12:32

Love your pictures. As a fan of photographing doors & boats I like these two in particular, but I really like the church shot!
Superb images - now just got to get my own to such a high level! :)

:clap:

Let us know how you do with your panel.

Wow, thats a bump. Thanks. :)

Great set there, I wish you all the best...

ps. Where do you find old wrinkly miners these days ? ;)

Steve

Cheers. The old miner was at the Durham Miners Gala. Will be heading there this year as well, so hopefully will be able to get more shots of wrinkly old miners. The panel gets judged a week today *crosses fingers*. :thumbs:

Steep

26-03-2008, 18:09

http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/f/fingers-crossed-emoticon.gif

Les McLean

26-03-2008, 18:24

Just add my two-pennorth-good luck-and a cracking set of images.

DinoS

26-03-2008, 18:37

Great set of photos there MK

chrisgrieve

26-03-2008, 18:55

they are an amazing set. good luck and keep us posted. well done. :clap:

Cedarapple

26-03-2008, 19:01

Good Luck

Mohain

27-03-2008, 18:56

Good luck MK. Great set of images, I'm sure you'll walk it :thumbs:

Rhodese

28-03-2008, 14:43

Job done.

AliB

28-03-2008, 15:13

I think most of us would be happy with one of these, never mind ten.

Absolutely fantastic work and I'd say an absolute winner for LRPS.

grumpybadger

28-03-2008, 15:25

All the best with the LRPS. From the standard shown, I'll be eating my hat if you don't get it...

HIMUPNORTH

28-03-2008, 15:42

I am going to wish you every success and cross the required fingers and toes for you mate! Following decent club success this term I am considering my LRPS this year and aim to take a panel to Stirling on 26th May for pre-evaluation. See what you started! :D

Messiah Khan

02-04-2008, 08:54

Thanks guys. Today is judgement day. I think they start at 10:30, and the results will be posted on the RPS website (No idea where on the site though, anyone know?) sometime this afternoon. Im excited now. :)

ryanuk

02-04-2008, 08:59

stunning just stunning!

good luck,but i dont think you will need it! :)

NorthernNikon

02-04-2008, 09:06

I've just seen this thread. You've got a cracking panel so I shouldn't worry about passing the required grade. I'll be sure to check back to make sure I'm right!

Messiah Khan

02-04-2008, 14:03

Dear Alasdair

I am sorry to have to inform you that your application for the Licentiateship Distinction was not successful. A Comment sheet giving the reasons for the Panel’s decision will be sent out as soon as possible

Best wishes

Carol

:'(

Snake Man

02-04-2008, 14:07

Sorry to hear about that. Would be interested in seeing the comment sheet.

divine`

02-04-2008, 14:12

I'd be very interested in seeing the comment sheet, I cannot honestly see why they'd turn them down.

Gutted for you mate :(

PsiFox

02-04-2008, 14:12

Well that's a shocker, wonder why?

Guess the sheet will tell all.

You will try again won't you?

EdinburghGary

02-04-2008, 14:14

Gutted for you. I have no idea what it is you have applied for, but understand your images were to be tested. Try again as they say, you are an absolutely fantastic artist & photographer, and deserve all the succsess which comes your way as a result.

Gary.

erg121

02-04-2008, 14:36

Magnificent photo's.:clap:
How could they not accept work of such amazing quality?

HIMUPNORTH

02-04-2008, 14:46

Sorry to hear that Al. :hug:

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger though mate! :thumbs:

NorthernNikon

02-04-2008, 15:12

I'm gob smacked. I've seen successful panels in the past and they've been decidely average. Maybe it was because it was a digital only submission? I'm only hazarding a guess there but I can't think why else it might be.

purpleclouds

02-04-2008, 15:19

I am a great fan of your work and I am really sad to hear you were unsuccessful :( The only thing I could think is that maybe they thought the images looked too overprocessed?? I dont know where they stand on this....and like I say I think theyre fantastic!! Will be interesting to hear why though....

HanC

02-04-2008, 15:20

Maybe they had a ridiculously high number of people competing for it?? How many places do they normally award? Commiserations mate, chin up though, if at first you don't succeed and all that!! It has no reflection on your ability which is obviously extremely high!:)

Ashers

02-04-2008, 15:20

what is this registrastration thingie by the way im daft can someone explain als *** this royal photographic thing is?

purpleclouds

02-04-2008, 15:29

what is this registrastration thingie by the way im daft can someone explain als *** this royal photographic thing is?

It is the royal photographic society, quite a renowned body!! So having an accreditation from them in form of a licentiateship or higher is quite a thing to have :)

natjag

02-04-2008, 15:50

I'm really sorry you didn't get it.

Remember this. Because you didn't get it. It doesn't mean your pictures aren't very good or your not a good photographer, because you are. All it means is, your pictures weren't right for THIER requirements.

divine`

02-04-2008, 15:56

It is the royal photographic society, quite a renowned body!! So having an accreditation from them in form of a licentiateship or higher is quite a thing to have :)

Saying that though, you get given LRPS and ARPS 'free' if you complete just a BTEC HND in Photography.

purpleclouds

02-04-2008, 15:58

Saying that though, you get given LRPS and ARPS 'free' if you complete just a BTEC HND in Photography.

Thats true......lol! No experience needed!

divine`

02-04-2008, 16:04

Point being it's much like the 'IT Key Skills' that you get given when you do Computing at A Level, yet you never touch on anything during that course remotely related to what is tested to normally get that Key Skill.

Same as you could complete a BTEC in Photography without actually being a particularly good photographer and then get given an ARPS anyway.

Ashers

02-04-2008, 16:05

aahhh i c

Messiah Khan

02-04-2008, 18:09

Thanks for the support guys. I posted my disapointment on the RPS forum as well and had this reply back from John Long (RPS panel member I think);

Hi -

You will be getting a detailed feedback from Margaret Salisbury, there were several reservations about highlights, but I seem to remember the main reason was that when projected, the infra red shot of the church had blank
sky at the top and the Panel felt this let the picture down.

:/

Weggy

02-04-2008, 18:12

Thanks for the support guys. I posted my disapointment on the RPS forum as well and had this reply back from John Long (RPS panel member I think);

:/

Is that it?!?! Christ, think you caught them on a bad day mate :thumbsdown:

Pirate Neilsouth

02-04-2008, 18:18

Thanks for the support guys. I posted my disapointment on the RPS forum as well and had this reply back from John Long (RPS panel member I think);

:/

They're just jealous ******s because your shots were probably better than theres :razz:

divine`

02-04-2008, 18:19

Thanks for the support guys. I posted my disapointment on the RPS forum as well and had this reply back from John Long (RPS panel member I think);

:/

:/

That's about all I can say to that. When projected the sky was blank? What? :thinking:

ppp

02-04-2008, 18:29

Surely they should sort their equipment out then.

Maybe get some really nice paper and run them in as a printed panel

AliB

02-04-2008, 18:49

Bloomin' nora!

I've read in some detail the requirements for LRPS as it is something I've aspired to. If that is their decision I'd much rather forget it and aspire to take pics like you Alisdair.

I truly cannot believe that your submission did not get you in and I think ppp may have hit the spot in that they need their equipment sorting out. (or their eyesight!)

xxx

Messiah Khan

03-04-2008, 08:22

Thanks for all your kind words and support guys. It really does mean a lot to me. This result has dissapointed me greatly, and I think the fact that my photography has been riding the crest of a wave for the last year (Well 356 days today) has made this failure hurt all the more.

Im in two minds as to whether im going to attempt the LRPS again. I suspect I will, but I want to see the notes first. If I deem the comments as fair and just then I will go for a second attempt. However if I see the judgement as unjust or highly subjective then I suspect I will be canceling my RPS membership. It might sound like im being a soor loser, and maybe I am, but I have paid a lot of money to be a member and attempt a LRPS and I genuinly believe my work is of a high enough standard (In addition to following all the RPS guidance). I also have mixed feelings as to how credible the society is, as some of the panels that passed (Not only LRPS, but ARPS and even FRPS) I don't believe hold great technical or artistic merit. But anyway, im not going to pass judgment until I get the full panel notes. In the meantime, this is what Margaret Salisbury posted on the RPS forum;

Hi
I am really sorry your Panel was "not recommended" but John is correct in saying you will get detailed Feedback from me as soon as I can complete the forms which I brought home with me today. It will take me some time but we usually get the forms to the Applicants within a month of the Assessment.

You will also get offer of "one to one help" from a Panel Member but initially you will be given my details (email and phone number) so you may contact me to request this. Often it is enough to read the "feedback form" and/or to talk to me, establish where the standard needs lifting and take up the suggestions made and you can of course try again paying half the fee for the second attempt. If you need or ask for more help, one of us (usually Chairman or one of the Assessors from the day your Panel was Assessed) will help you as much or for as long as you need it. Who will help and how will be decided when I speak to you.

You may know that we now have a new Chairman of the Panel - Leo Palmer who is from Northumberland joins John and I, the three of us share the Chairing of the Panels. We have Panel Members from all over the country so we can usually put potential or unsuccessful Applicants in touch with someone in their area or someone who is "expert" in the particular type of photography the Applicant is interested in using in the submission. The panel which met this week consisted of Members from: North Wales, Northern Ireland, Bristol, Somerset, Southampton, Midlands. Workshops are also run in all parts of UK.

Without looking at my notes or the Marking Forms in detail I can tell you that your Panel was a "near miss" and although I can appreciate it is difficult for those looking at your panel here to know why you were unsuccessful I will again reiterate that what you see on the screen is often very different from what you see when the images are projected on a large screen.

Again I am sorry you were not successful this time but with help and some work on the weak points I am positive you will be successful next time.

Margaret

That doesn't really add a great deal of information, but at least it was a nice email. As for;

what you see on the screen is often very different from what you see when the images are projected on a large screen

Im not convinced. Maybe im being simple and thinking too literally here, but surely if both the screen and projector are calibrated properly, then there shouldn't be any difference in the way the image appears. :shrug:

Les McLean

03-04-2008, 08:59

grumpybadger

03-04-2008, 09:00

Alasdair

Gutted for you. I think your work is very much of a high standard. I can see the potential issue with the projection. When you are looking at a monitor, it is a (almost) black screen, that gets brighter when images are passed shown. A projection screen is very different and can make whites and blacks look different. Sounds like bad luck to me.

I am putting a panel together at the moment and have decided to go for prints as that is what they are used to - a decision reinforced by your experience. At least then, you can be sure how the images are presented...

I think you should listen to the feedback and then try again. I don't think you will need much tweaking and you should have another shot. It is always subjective - creative art is - and I think you should take the feedback onboard and have another bash.

It doesn't say you are a bad photographer, just that they found some elements of it that weren't what they were looking for. It's always a problem with a panel that the picture they judge as weakest is the one that impacts the whole set.

Good luck and keep yer chin up!

Paul

StewartR

03-04-2008, 10:27

Unlucky MK. I think these photos are pretty decent and you must have caught the judges on a bad day. My mother-in-law got her LRPS last year and I think her work is nowhere near as good as yours.

Here's a funny thing though....the main reason was that when projected, the infra red shot of the church had blank sky at the top and the Panel felt this let the picture down.So the wonky horizon was OK then?

Panzerbjorn

03-04-2008, 10:35

I missed the comment about the projector on OCUK mate but it makes a bit more sense now. It's a real shame that the method of presentation has let down and otherwise brilliant set of images.

Maybe a printed series for the next submission?

Panzer

namllihs

03-04-2008, 14:33

I do feel disappointed for you, but I would agree with Les, step back, wait for their comments and then see how you feel.

Ewan

03-04-2008, 15:48

what you see on the screen is often very different from what you see when the images are projected on a large screen

That doesn't have anything to do with the quality of photographs or your skill in photography. I'm going to be waiting for the detailed comments :)

DiddyDave

03-04-2008, 16:53

MK - I know it won't help but this is just the sort of bloody ridiculous state of affairs that makes every thought of my joining the RPS, let alone going for a distinction, disappear in a flash

At our club we have an LRPS member - they qualified 'automatically' due to some coursework at A-level (I think it was), I and others pressured them for a presentation night to show us plebs how to achieve such a distinction... upshot...

You guessed it - my 10 yr old could have put together a more convincing set of images with his mobile phone's camera

We were all stunned, and for all the wrong reasons

I'm both gutted and angered for you m8

DD

Cuddy

05-04-2008, 07:05

Sorry you did not achieve your goal MK, for me your work has always been top grade. I totally understand your disappointment but i think you have to get back in there and prove them wrong.

regards brian.

AliB

05-04-2008, 08:49

I just had a look at the RPS website and the results of the April 2008 submissions are published.
There were about 30 who submitted prints, only one who submitted slides and 5 who submitted on CD.
It makes me wonder if you had submitted prints the result may have been different as it looks to be heavily biased towards print. (You would need to know the total submissions mix to draw then conclusion but it does make me wonder)

Messiah Khan

17-04-2008, 09:04

Thanks for your continued support everyone. The critique sheet turned up yesterday. Had some very mixed emotions when reading it. A couple of points I agree on (I sometimes do tend to clog the shadows up during my processing), but overall they are pointing out 'faults' that I do not agree with at all. Some areas they claim are 'burnt out' are not at all, and I can back this up with the histogram. Below is a scan of the comment sheet. The highlighted sections are the ones I failed or was picked up on.

http://www.jonnyhope.co.uk/root/img003.jpg

Im going to email Margaret Salisbury at some point and hopefully discuss the judgement with her. Im still very much in two minds as to whether I should try again or cancel my RPS membership.

17-04-2008, 09:14

OUCH!! Though tbh, I think they are being a little over critical. As Dave mentioned earlier, I could have got LRPS 12 years ago when I was doing a C&G course in photography by completing 5 modules.... I didnt, [my ex sold my camera, long story] but point is, passing all 5 modules, instead of the two I got would have automatically qualified me, based on the opinion of a couple of college tutors - madness!!

Its not much consolation, but I think most people round here agree that for someone that only picked up a camera a year ago, your work is astonishingly good and makes many of us very jealous indeed. ;)

purpleclouds

17-04-2008, 09:19

That does look a little harsh :(

Geordi69

17-04-2008, 09:33

The critique sheet does seem a bit harsh, it does not really explain why in my eyes.

irw1

17-04-2008, 09:56

It does seem a little harsh imho, especially the "blown highlight" issue.:(

However, I think it would be a real shame if you did not try again MK, as I believe your work is clearly of a high enough standard overall.

Put this down to experience, go grab your camera and knock 'em dead next time.:thumbs:

Steep

17-04-2008, 10:00

She seems to be saying they projected your images onto a screen, I suppose if the projector was bright then it could have given the impression that some parts of 1 and 9 were blown, at first glance on my pc 1 seems to have a blown patch top centre above the roof but when you zoom in on it there is detail there. Likewise the very top of 9 is very light but not quite blown on my screen and certainly seems to flow well enough, though I suppose you could crop a couple of mm off the top without ruining it.,

I'd ask her to point out the sections specifically that they had a problem with and if you don't agree ask them to re-examine if they will.

I do agree to an extent about the continuity issue, there are a couple of sections in your panel between 5 and 8 that don't quite flow as much as the rest.
That said I've seen some examples of passing lrps panels in the past that were imo shockingly bad but that's just my opinion.

Garry79

17-04-2008, 11:31

I think you need to ask yourself why and how much you really want the LRPS. Judging by your reaction to the result, it seems that you do want it (or you wouldn't be so disappointed/offended) so it would be a shame if you didn't try again. You'd just continue reflect on not getting it, which may impact your future work. As the sheet says you are a "very near miss" so suck it up, take on their points and prove to them that you have the dedication to handle critisim and constantly refine your work if needed. Learn from the experience and use it to make you a stronger and better photographer. I challange you to find a photographer that hasn't been turned down for something be it a qualifiction (which at the end of the day count for very little), award or job!

Best of luck.

17-04-2008, 12:51

Sorry you got turned down MK. I'm not really sure why you're seeking this, or why it's so important to you, but clearly it is. If you really want it then gird your loins and get back in there, but I'd suggest prints next time where you have absolute control over what the panel will judge you on.

What I do like about the RPS is that they place a lot of store on traditional technical merit, which tends to be overlooked a lot these days. Having said that I've known a couple of members in the past who I wouldn't trust to take a shot of my dog. That's not a criticism of the RPS, just on the selection process sometimes, but no system is foolproof, so we shouldn't hold that against them.

Gaining an RPS entry at any level isn't going to do anything for you quite honestly if your sights are set on a career in photography. Clients don't give a rat's ass about qualifications - just what they see for themselves. It's a bit like turning up for an audition for lead guitar player with a rock group and waving your Grade 8 certificate at them. They'd laugh their socks off - they just want to know if you can play. ;)