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:'(:gag:1. i dont even know what 400D means in my camera
2. i dont understand what F is or ISO
3. i dont understand about the modes TV means television to me
4. i just point and click on the automatic settings like portrait etc
5. i dont understand the differences in lenses
6. i cant even afford the rocket thing to clean said lenses.
7.i cant even begin to imagine *** aperature is lol. and the search function to me is about as useful as a bicycle is to a fish, coz i dont know what the names of things are for things, so i cant search things when i dont even have a clue what they are called.
thats why i am out of my depth. :help::bang:
digitalfailure
24-12-2007, 22:39
:'(:gag:1. i dont even know what 400D means in my camera only canon know that
2. i dont understand what F is or ISO thats the point of the forum....ask and ye shall be rewarded
3. i dont understand about the modes TV means television to me means the same to me....or it could be TIME VALUE...thats shutter priority to everyone else
4. i just point and click on the automatic settings like portrait etc at least you take pics
5. i dont understand the differences in lenses thats probably the cheapest way to stay in photography
6. i cant even afford the rocket thing to clean said lenses. thats good...because then you'd want new lenses to clean with it
7.i cant even begin to imagine *** aperature is lol. and the search function to me is about as useful as a bicycle is to a fish, coz i dont know what the names of things are for things, so i cant search things when i dont even have a clue what they are called. the aperture is like the pupil in your eye, it gets bigger to let more light in...thats quite handy in photography
thats why i am out of my depth. :help::bang:
Enjoy the forums m8...........you'll be making money with your camera before the end of 2008 ;)
i wish i dont even think i have an eye for it. and u see all the people on here bragging about their different lenses, and equipment. i have a tripod with two legs lol. and i have no confidence in the things i produce. and i wont have my camera back till febuary lol. all the people on here do great photos. lol mine arnt good at all lol. i try my hardest, and i love doing it, i just feel inadequate. i cant even get to go anywhere to take photos as i cant afford to travel. i just dunno. i want to take good photos. id like to get my own portfolio together. lots id love to do. and lots of equipment id love to have. lol i think my main problem is my photographs get critisised on here, and laughed at in real life so i wont show my pics i take or if i do i dread it.
Canon Bob
24-12-2007, 22:49
Ashers
Spend half an hour here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography#Technical_photography .....go down the page until you find the "see also" section.
You'll be David Bailey by midnight.
Bob
Hey, as long as you enjoy 'doing it' then what's the problem, you've got a whole wealth of photo oppertunities on your doorstep, you just need to train your eyes to see a photo.
As for the attitude of not showing your photo's, the only real way you will learn is by taking the criticism on board and learning from it. Remember, none of us are perfect, and we a re a friendly bunch, nobody here is going to laugh at your work. I can guarantee most members on here only have a very small 'keep' rate of photo's, i went to Whitby a few weeks ago, and out of 200 odd photo's i kept maybe 10 of them.
Just keep reading, learning and asking questions. It will all click together eventually.
silverJON
24-12-2007, 22:56
If you're here, you enjoy photography and would like to do well.
Everyone who wants to do well in photography will show promise. If you like photos, you know what a nice photo looks like - and when you know what a nice photo looks like, you can start to think, is this going to be a nice photo? Is it going to be a nice shot if, perhaps, I stand over there instead and look up at the branches? Then stand over there: if it's a nice shot, you'll know straight away, so take a picture :)
As for the technical bits - ISO, aperture, camera modes - well, it's science, but it's science anyone can pick up in an hour or two. We'll do our best to explain anything you're not sure about. There's no such thing as a silly question.
When you understand the technical stuff, you're free to think about how to make photos as good as, and better, than everyone else's. The greatest photographers started with a disposable Tesco camera and no idea about how to use it :)
Is there a particular thing - for instance, exposure - that you'd like us to explain, to get the ball rolling?
Keltic Ice Man
24-12-2007, 22:56
Stick with it. When you enjoy it take pics, when you don't - give it a rest for a wee while.
EdinburghGary
24-12-2007, 22:59
Ashers, sounds like your emptions are all over the place just now!!! Take it easy, and try and relax. I haven't a clue what i'm doing either. I went out today and took 300 photos, and I have maybe 10 that I want to keep, and thats at a push - the ten are crap too. I spent all day looking at some amazing scenery, and what I have captures just does not do the areas I visited justice.
I'm not letting it deter me, I will simply read more, ask more questions here, and experiment more. I hope to nail it at some point!!!
I understand your camera is screwed which is obviously not good. In the mean time, why not read lots and try and download a bunch of images from the web and have a muck around in the trial version of photoshop.
Either way, relax, and try and cheer up! I know you don't like xmas, so I won't wish you a merry one!! ;)
Gary.
digitalfailure
24-12-2007, 22:59
your outlook and the tone of your signature won't do at all old bean :nono:
There is only room on here for 1 digitalfailure......so you'd better do some reading, attend some meets and raise your game before I release the dogs !!!
However...your quite welcome to change over to film and be a filmfailure......;)
Everyone starts somewhere :thumbs:
Asher, I know just where your coming from:woot: I am very much in the same boat but at least you have a DSLR, I am still waiting to see how my finances are after Xmas. Stick with it my friend cause I need to know I'm not the only non functioning budding photographer out there:lol:. Tell you what, lets try and understand all this jargon together, we can do it:bonk:
well i blagged my way and got a photographers job, at the blackpool tower over last summer, even *** id never even held a camera until then, and really enjoed it. that was *** i descovered zooming, and focusing. i didnt even know cameras cud do that. id never taken a photo until that job i rerally enjoyed it, and although i didnt know anything about the techincal side i was taking pictures and selling them, so people must have liekd them, and loved it. i love taking photos.i filled a whole 1 gig card in a graveyard i only kept the few i put on here. i normally take all photos using the portrait setting or landscape, no matter *** it is. its the settings on my cannon 400D i dont understand and all the numbers and stuff that u can fiddle with.
Asher, I know just where your coming from:woot: I am very much in the same boat but at least you have a DSLR, I am still waiting to see how my finances are after Xmas. Stick with it my friend cause I need to know I'm not the only non functioning budding photographer out there:lol:. Tell you what, lets try and understand all this jargon together, we can do it:bonk:
well lol i dont have a DSLR at the moment ill be getting it back from the chop shop around febuary lol
EdinburghGary
24-12-2007, 23:07
well i blagged my way and got a photographers job, at the blackpool tower over last summer, even *** id never even held a camera until then, and really enjoed it. that was *** i descovered zooming, and focusing. i didnt even know cameras cud do that. id never taken a photo until that job i rerally enjoyed it, and although i didnt know anything about the techincal side i was taking pictures and selling them, so people must have liekd them, and loved it. i love taking photos.i filled a whole 1 gig card in a graveyard i only kept the few i put on here. i normally take all photos using the portrait setting or landscape, no matter *** it is. its the settings on my cannon 400D i dont understand and all the numbers and stuff that u can fiddle with.
Dude, what is your problem!!!?? You had a job as a photographer and you enjoyed taking the pics, and your customers loved them - I bet bucketloads of forum members would have loved such an oppertunity, and reponse from customers, I know I would!!!!!
Well done, are you going to be able to shoot for them again?
nope i left there, to go back to uni. i didnt tell them i was leaaving, and so we didnt part on the best terms
i didnt even get to keep any of the pics i took. i also did it at loius tussards wax works for them.
EdinburghGary
24-12-2007, 23:12
i didnt even get to keep any of the pics i took. i also did it at loius tussards wax works for them.
Again, another well done! You can't be bad at taking photos if you get jobs in such high profile tourist attractions! Sounds like you have a lot to smile about when it comes to your skills.
G.
silverJON
24-12-2007, 23:14
Capture that spirit! It's just the same, whether you use the numbers and letters on your camera to your advantage or not!
lol it was for minimum wage wasnt that high profile lol
i enjoyed it didnt enjoy the pressure to make the sale £7 for a 6 by 4, £4 for a keyring or f magnet lol £10 for an a4
EdinburghGary
24-12-2007, 23:17
lol it was for minimum wage wasnt that high profile lol
Still, you're a photographer, end of :) Well done!
lol ok ok u win i was a photographer, for 3 months
:'(:gag:1. i dont even know what 400D means in my camera
2. i dont understand what F is or ISO
3. i dont understand about the modes TV means television to me
4. i just point and click on the automatic settings like portrait etc
5. i dont understand the differences in lenses
6. i cant even afford the rocket thing to clean said lenses.
7.i cant even begin to imagine *** aperature is lol. and the search function to me is about as useful as a bicycle is to a fish, coz i dont know what the names of things are for things, so i cant search things when i dont even have a clue what they are called.
thats why i am out of my depth. :help::bang:
I rekon that most people on here did not know what some if not all of these things mean when they joined, but I'll bet they do now and the best thing about this fourm is if you ask people will reply and try to help :)
1. 400D is the model number, it does not matter. its like a car e.g corsa, vectra etc
2. F is short for aperture. ISO is the speed the higher the number the grainer your image will be, but you need more light to work at lower numbers
e.g Bright sunny day plenty of light = Low iso100 or 200
Indoors, dull days not alot of light = high iso between iso800 and 1600.
3. TV means that your aperture is set correct for you. So if you pick a shutter speed of 1/500th the camera will caluclate the correct aperture for you (e.g f2.8) to get a properly lit photograph. Other modes like Av are the same thing but you set the aperture and the camera calulates the correct shutter speed e.g 1/500th
4. Does not matter.
5. The longer lenses e.g 500mm get you closer to your subject they are telephoto lens. where as shorter lens e.g 18mm allow you to get more into the frame they are wide angle lens. Lens that have a larger aperture e.g 2.8 allow more light so you can get a faster shutter speed or a lower iso or a shallower depth of field.
6. Does not matter.
7. Your aperture controls your depth of field. A Smaller aperture gives a bigger depth of field and bigger aperture gives a smaller depth of field. Depth of field is how much of the image is sharp. If you have a person standing in front of a bush, you use a small aperture e.g f16 the bush and person will be in focus but if you use a large aperture e.g f2.8 the person will be sharp and the bush will be out of focus.
HTH :)
I was/am the same. I just read the forums like crazy. Read tutorials. Read books. Ask questions in threads I didn't create lol. What I haven't done enough of is actually shooting. Mainly because I lack the creativity to see something and capture it. That and the lack of confidence which keep bringing up hoping someone will say "hey there's this great thing you can buy in Jessops which gives you confidence". :p
I'm as bad as you, all I have ever done before is with a little point and click where I chose an icon and type of shot, aimed and clicked!!
I now have a camera thats way ahead of my ability, but I have read the Collins Digital SLR handbook which has helped as it explains things in idiots terms, every picture has the setting beside them and it even tells you how to take the picture so it was perfect for me! and I am hoping I am getting Understanding Exposure as a christmas present which will hopefully help more.
Other than that I read a hell of a lot on here, look at the gallery pics especially the sport ones as they seem to have more settings and lenses used with them, and I have just gone out and taken a load of totally rubbish pictures at various settings to see what happens at those settings and I can assure you when I say rubbish I mean it :lol: I have now semi worked out the depth of field and manual focusing thanks to my garden fence, a bag of rubbish and next doors tree, neighbours probably think I have finally flipped but I will get there one day. You are a long way ahead of me - I don't think anyone will be paying me to take their picture in the near future!! Between now and when you get your camera back read all the books you can on photography, read read and read again the manual, until you know where on the page everything you may need to know will be so that you can go to the right place straight away if you need to look anything up - and then when you get the camera back go out and use it, take pictures learn from them and delete them until you get one you like, at least with a digital you are not spending loads on film while you learn!! I reckon you will be posting pics from your camera before spring is out!!
hypnotic
25-12-2007, 01:09
I am getting Understanding Exposure as a christmas present which will hopefully help more.
That book is the stock answer for most people if they want to understand the basics ... Good choice .. :clap:
Still have my copy
busterboy
25-12-2007, 07:48
Tis funny Ashers, I have a camera and I know bugger all about it too..:(
I blagged my way on to this forum and made friends CT/Jonnyreb/Digitalfailure/matty and a host more but they have now gone and turned their back on me..:'(
What am I gonna do..:(
CHEER UP AND LEARN THE BASICS MAN..
ITS CHRISTMAS..
And whats more..
http://www.timprocter.co.uk/photography/gifs/littlestoryrj6.jpg..:thumbs:
** sarcasm is terrible by the way.......
inaneredstripe
25-12-2007, 18:37
ashers. dont fret.
its called experience mate. you dont pick up a guitar and expect to play like van halen in a week.
yes i probably know a bit more than you do about the technical stuff. two or three years ago i got stress with a point n shoot.i learn a LOT from my mrs whose got the letters n stuff after her name, city n guilds n stuff.
i,ve picked up a lot of usefull stuff from this forum too(thanks peeps).
WE ( me n her) have a fair few lenses.but we didnt buy em all at once. and we had to work for the cash to buy em.
30 odd weddings last year and i drive a lorry for a living too.
ask questions and i,m sure we,ll try to answer em.
cheer up and i hope you have a good christmas.:thumbs:
ive got 15 guid off a reletive, sooo i can afford one of those desktop tripods :) or a rocket lol
minimeeze
25-12-2007, 18:56
Ashers, you sound like me 3 years ago. I went out and bought a DSLR knowing absolutely jack about photography. All I wanted to do was to take some good photographs, and I naively thought a bigger, better camera would do this for me :$ I didn't have the foggiest what any of the functions meant, and when someone started talking to me about F stops and ISO etc, they may as well have been talking in a different language.
Three years down the line, and I still don't know what all the functions mean/do on my camera :lol: but I have learnt lots of things along the way. Boring as it sounds, reading the manual that comes with the camera really does teach you lots. Don't worry about different lenses etc yet - you need to learn to walk before you can run, so to speak.
You don't need to have to money or travel in order to take photographs. Go out locally, look at what you take for granted around you and snap away!
antonroland
25-12-2007, 19:12
Ashers, you sound like me 3 years ago. I went out and bought a DSLR knowing absolutely jack about photography. All I wanted to do was to take some good photographs, and I naively thought a bigger, better camera would do this for me :$ I didn't have the foggiest what any of the functions meant, and when someone started talking to me about F stops and ISO etc, they may as well have been talking in a different language.
Three years down the line, and I still don't know what all the functions mean/do on my camera :lol: but I have learnt lots of things along the way. Boring as it sounds, reading the manual that comes with the camera really does teach you lots. Don't worry about different lenses etc yet - you need to learn to walk before you can run, so to speak.
You don't need to have to money or travel in order to take photographs. Go out locally, look at what you take for granted around you and snap away!
Listen to her, lots of truth and sense in there!!:thumbs:
Walk around your house tomorrow, do nothing technical apart from bumping ISO up to, say, 800 and shoot some household items from unusual angles.
This should cost you nothing but some battery power and should do a lot to develop your "photographer's eye"
Post some examples!:thumbs:
fraggle101
25-12-2007, 19:30
Oh dear.. i cant work out if you mean it or are after some sympathy!! it all sounds like a little bit of self pitying...
Anyway.. Christmas aside, how'd u manage to sell pictures if they were all bad? i wouldnt have bought one thats for sure.. so they couldnt have been as bad as you say.. who would employ someone as a tog if they couldnt take a pic?? let alone keep em on for 3months!!.. again, they couldnt have been so bad..
Anyway, your a grown man sounding like a teenager.. ** doing alright.. if it were quite as easy as you'd like it to be then EVERYONE would be a tog.. iv been doing photography on and off for over 20 years!! Im STILL banging my head against a brick wall shouting 'WHAT AM I DOING WRONG!!!' but i now understand most of it.. i just struggle to put it into action.. be thankfull your not learning on FILM!! if you think you're skint now!!! thank god for digital..
Right, thats my 'Kick up the ass' speach over..
Btw, i like some of ** Gallery pics..
wickwhistle
25-12-2007, 20:05
:lol: Fraggle tells me off like that too!!! Hurts dunnit? :lol: So when he does, I strop like a proper girl, sigh, pick myself up, sigh again, grab my camera and try my damned hardest to prevent him from calling me stupid in the future by taking better photographs!
Stop stropping and get reading! If you don't have a camera at the moment then that's the best thing you can do.
Minmeeze - I think I may quite possibly be you 3 years ago :lol:
i guess.i am self pitying i guess, but i also feel under-qualified for it as well. and i lived in northampton for 2 years. that didnt improve my mood lmao. id say some from column A some from column B
Ashers,
In my opinion the best thing you can be doing right now is get and and practice. Get yourself a good book (understanding exposure) or similar and sit and play with the camera, try different settings until you become used to your camera.
And the most important point of all is to have fun while your doing it matey!! :)
i know i miss being able to take photos :S
fraggle101
25-12-2007, 20:45
Get down the Library.. your Uni should have a fairly big one!! and read up on stuff..
You just cant sit there and expect to know it all and get the hump cos you dont!! We ALL live in the real world and unfortunatly it dont come with kid gloves attached.. the People on here are VERY helpfull.. unfortunatly when most of us started in photography this forum didne exist.. if fact most of us here started BEFORE the Interweb !!!!
How did we pick things up?? well, my first camera (Canon) came with a little book.. it explaned everything to do with the camera in very simple speak.. but in doing that its actually explained the PRICIPLE of ISO and Appeture ect.. if your camera didnt come with that book maybe someone can send you a copy of it.. anyway, goto the library, take out a beginniers guide and start there.. you seem to know a fair bit anyway.. im not sure you even realise it! Sometimes you gotta just get out and help yourself.. people will respect you for it.. you will never win friends by whinging.. but were here to help non the less, and if there is something that you cant work out then ask.. but do SOME working out for yourself too.. you'll feel better for it.. a book on the subject can be more benificial..
Im sorry if iv come accross a bit tough.. im not trying to upset you.. just help you to help yourself and build some self reliance/belief and outlook on life.. what sort of Social worker are you going to be with the way you look at things?? Put a happy head on and the world will seem aa better place.. :thumbs:
i will *** im at my new uni in september
digitalfailure
25-12-2007, 22:45
September!!!!!!!
Get down to the public library or find something on the net as soon as you can. If you want to learn, do it now........not at the back end of next year.
ok ill go down the public library day after boxing day and try to get my ban lifted. lol and pay my fines. im getting a mini tripod :D yey, im gonna buy a photography book too :D
fraggle101
25-12-2007, 23:10
Your local library costs NOTHING!!!
Why would you even think of waiting till September???
If you want to be force fed it all from here then think again.. there seems to be a patern emurging here to do with attitude or something, i dont want to be more specific.. so im going to stop posting on this thread before i upset anyone.. In your profile it says you're 26!! :whistling: (A grown up!) You also say you're a student BUM.. :shrug: say no more..
im a student coz i need qualifications. i left school with none so i had to wait till i was classed as a mature student to get in at uni, and needed the bursery as i couldnt afford to go without government funding. coz i was sick of doing jobs no one else wanted to do for minimum wage. and in my younger day i was banned from my library for stealing. but that was like 7 years ago so they probably wont even remember me. i dont do that now.
and i failed my 2nd year at uni due to problems with the people in my accomodation, and no support from uni lecturers and i put in a complaint, and transfereing but cant start till september.and i didnt say not go to the library till september i said to the university library.
and as to be force fed i dont want that ive worked hard for everything ive got, i put myself thru nightschool to get a gcse in english and an 11 plus in maths. and the library costs a fiver to join. i am broke because for some reason i cant seem to get a job, even *** i apply and apply and apply. ive had to work a lot harder than MOST people to get where i am today, and still *** be at my university if i didnt have to put in so many complaints and had to transfer. i mean i now have 15 pounds. ive not seen that sort of money since september. so i am trying learn as much as possible without spending a penny.
not everyone is lucky enuf to be able to have a job or qualification, or money.
badgerbaiter
25-12-2007, 23:33
and as to be force fed i dont want that ive worked hard for everything ive got,
except for those library books you took eh? :) :) :)
i never actually got them lol the alarms. but i was young and stupid. i dont do that now.... im sure this is karma lol. i started to believe in it. lol my bad luck now was from being bad *** i was younger lmao and i feel a lot happier now xmas is over :)
badgerbaiter
25-12-2007, 23:52
in my experience, the first thing to do when things arent going well is stop believing in luck. As soon as you do that you are half way back in the groove
i do feel more like my ownself he more "happy xmas time is over" lol guess im a bah humbug, lol justdont like seeing people so happy lmao. ;) now all i need to do is get my camera back, rescue my relationship, apologise pay my fine and re-join the library, join the photography club and spend my 15 quid xmas money :Don that desktop tripod thingie :D lol oh and buy a laptop, somehow with a keyboard and touchpad that work mine dont lol im using a pc keyboard and mouse :)
hypnotic
26-12-2007, 01:19
not everyone is lucky enuf to be able to have a job or qualification, or money.
Ash ....
I have been biting my tongue for the last few days hoping that you would wake up and smell the coffee.
Have you not guessed yet why your life is in such a turmoil?
You have done nothing but show a negative attitude on almost everything you have posted here for the last week or so. To be honest, if I was an employer I would not want to employ you at the moment either.
You need to get yourself a more possitive attitude in order to make things happen for you. Not easy, I know .... But you need to do it. !!!
Sorry if this feels unjust but it needed to be said.
Take this opportunity of the end of this bad year to take a different approach on life.
What have you got to lose?
hypnotic
26-12-2007, 01:55
You could make a good start by changing your signature to something a bit more jolly ... :D
as soon as xmas is over i promise i will :) just get this whole horrible holiday season over, new year new sig.
hypnotic
26-12-2007, 02:01
No ....
New start .. New signature
antonroland
26-12-2007, 06:44
Must agree with Hypnotic on this one!
Walk to a mirror, find the problem, adjust your mindset and snap out of whining mode.
Then pick up the pieces and carry on with these wonderful things you have going for you...
YOU AND YOUR LIFE!!!
For once (and finally) accept that you are the author of your own fate and start acting accordingly.
We are here for you but we will not sit and sulk with you - well I won't:bonk:
Let us know how you are doing!:thumbs:
Duckydoodle
26-12-2007, 07:06
:'(:gag:1. i dont even know what 400D means in my camera
2. i dont understand what F is or ISO
3. i dont understand about the modes TV means television to me
4. i just point and click on the automatic settings like portrait etc
5. i dont understand the differences in lenses
6. i cant even afford the rocket thing to clean said lenses.
7.i cant even begin to imagine *** aperature is lol. and the search function to me is about as useful as a bicycle is to a fish, coz i dont know what the names of things are for things, so i cant search things when i dont even have a clue what they are called.
thats why i am out of my depth. :help::bang:
I'm also a true beginner Asher and know exactly how you feel. I've been trying to use my p&s on manual setting and getting a lot of black empty shots.
My shots are so bad don't think I'll be posting any more on here cause last few times I didn't even get a negative comment on them. I do love photography though and want to learn so will continue taking pics and perhaps buy a book or go on a course to help learning process and wait til I get my first DSLR. Keep taking pics Asher admitting your lack of knowledge on here was a step in the right direction and you can only improve from now on :)
antonroland
26-12-2007, 07:11
I'm also a true beginner Asher and know exactly how you feel. I've been trying to use my p&s on manual setting and getting a lot of black empty shots.
My shots are so bad don't think I'll be posting any more on here cause last few times I didn't even get a negative comment on them. I do love photography though and want to learn so will continue taking pics and perhaps buy a book or go on a course to help learning process and wait til I get my first DSLR. Keep taking pics Asher admitting your lack of knowledge on here was a step in the right direction and you can only improve from now on :)
Post what you think is your worst and I promise to give feedback within minutes - just PM me and tell me what thread you posted in.
Pity you didn't get responses earlier but let's see if we can rectify this!:thumbs:
Duckydoodle
26-12-2007, 07:34
:'(:gag:1. i dont even know what 400D means in my camera
2. i dont understand what F is or ISO
3. i dont understand about the modes TV means television to me
4. i just point and click on the automatic settings like portrait etc
5. i dont understand the differences in lenses
6. i cant even afford the rocket thing to clean said lenses.
7.i cant even begin to imagine *** aperature is lol. and the search function to me is about as useful as a bicycle is to a fish, coz i dont know what the names of things are for things, so i cant search things when i dont even have a clue what they are called.
thats why i am out of my depth. :help::bang:
All the advice you've been given is really great and as helped me. Thanks for being brave enough to admit what you didn't know. I've been posting pics and getting very little comment or help of late and am thinking of not bothering any more. I know my pics are s*****t but like you I want to learn and get better unlike you I still own and use a p&s waiting to get a DSLR.
Keep taking those pics Ashers you can only get better :)
Sorry for duplication didn't see my reply cause it was on page 2 and thought it hadn't loaded so sent another :bonk:
antonroland
26-12-2007, 07:37
I'm also a true beginner Asher and know exactly how you feel. I've been trying to use my p&s on manual setting and getting a lot of black empty shots.
My shots are so bad don't think I'll be posting any more on here cause last few times I didn't even get a negative comment on them. I do love photography though and want to learn so will continue taking pics and perhaps buy a book or go on a course to help learning process and wait til I get my first DSLR. Keep taking pics Asher admitting your lack of knowledge on here was a step in the right direction and you can only improve from now on :)
First let me start by praising you for having the courage to try manual if you consider yourself a beginner.
Please excuse if I sound like I'm talking "down" to you but I have no idea what your current knowledge is.
The fact that you are getting black frames tells me that either your shutter speed is too fast or your aperture setting is too small - or possibly a combination of the two.
I hope someone like CT will see this in time and refer you to other threads where these basics are discussed, but, at your own peril I will try to explain as I understand it.
Let us talk basics and forget that we have different lenses and forget that flashguns exist.
In basic photography there is only 1 thing you want to control and that is the amount of light getting into the camera.
You can do this in three or so ways:
by increasing/decreasing the shutter speed e.g. 1/60 second or 1/30 second (one sixtieth or one thirtieth.)
by adjusting the inside diameter of the lens (aperture).
By adjusting the amount of light sensitivity in your film /sensor.
I will not even attempt to explain the numbers here but always try this as a rough starting point:
In daylight(bright sunlight) start with 100 ISO; f/11 aperture; shutter at 1/125.
If overcast use above settings but f/8 OR shutter at 1/60.
These are rough guides to get you started and will obviously change as you gain experience and start to go for special exposures.
HTH!!:thumbs:
Duckydoodle
26-12-2007, 07:46
Thanks for that Anton really useful and helpful info put simply so my poor brain can understand :)
im happy now :D i went to the bookies put my 15 quid on the chelsea-Aston villa game for a 4-4 draw i know have 100 quid. :P things startign to look up now :D time to update my sig :D
busterboy
26-12-2007, 23:13
im happy now :D i went to the bookies put my 15 quid on the chelsea-Aston villa game for a 4-4 draw i know have 100 quid. :P things startign to look up now :D time to update my sig :D
Fantastic..:bonk:
EdinburghGary
26-12-2007, 23:14
im happy now :D i went to the bookies put my 15 quid on the chelsea-Aston villa game for a 4-4 draw i know have 100 quid. :P things startign to look up now :D time to update my sig :D
Well done, but I would not be sticking my last £15 on a bloody bet!!!
Gary.
busterboy
26-12-2007, 23:15
Well done, but I would not be sticking my last £15 on a bloody bet!!!
Gary.
Hence my post..:lol:
now i can buy a flash gun :D
its gonna be a good year :D eheheh
Galaxy66
26-12-2007, 23:39
im happy now :D i went to the bookies put my 15 quid on the chelsea-Aston villa game for a 4-4 draw i know have 100 quid. :P things startign to look up now :D time to update my sig :D
You placed your last £15 on a bet :cuckoo:
In my opinion you were unlucky winning the bet!!!!!!!.
You have have lot to learn young man!.
Think about it:thinking:
wel ya see i had nothing to lose everything to gain lol i couldnt afford owt with it lol and its the start of a good year :D i can feel it in my waters
digitalfailure
26-12-2007, 23:43
I'm starting to wonder if this entire thread is a trip into the surreal :suspect:
you mean you only got 6:1 for a 4-4 draw??? I'd change bookies.
See, you could have had £1500 from William hill
http://www.willhill.com/iibs/EN/results.asp
im not a gambling man lol i just use the local one lol i dont really understand it :) but i was passing and thought why not :P first time id been in a bookies a guy helped me put it on.
Galaxy66
26-12-2007, 23:48
wel ya see i had nothing to lose everything to gain lol i couldnt afford owt with it lol and its the start of a good year :D i can feel it in my waters
You had nothing to lose!!!.........and if you had lost the bet you would have lost £15 but hopefully it would have taught you a hard lesson.
Obviously you do not understand my post.
Like I said you have a lot to learn but sadly for you you will not.
dont worry i wont be going in another bookies lol im not into gambling on anything but pub bandits lol.
Galaxy66
26-12-2007, 23:49
im not a gambling man lol i just use the local one lol i dont really understand it :) but i was passing and thought why not :P first time id been in a bookies a guy helped me put it on.
That's how all gamblers start.
nah. not me lol. i wudnt do it again. i dont even play the lottery lol but im on a high now :) coz im going shopping tomoz :D
Galaxy66
26-12-2007, 23:53
you mean you only got 6:1 for a 4-4 draw??? I'd change bookies.
See, you could have had £1500 from William hill
http://www.willhill.com/iibs/EN/results.asp
I'm not a gambling man but what little knowledge I have made me think they must not have been very good odds.
Surely they must have been better than 6:1 :suspect:
see and im happy hehe im not depressed any more see the smile ---->:D<-------
it might have just been a draw then i aint sure as i said a guy put it on for me coz i didnt know *** i was doing
i dont understand the whole 6:1 thing.
Galaxy66
26-12-2007, 23:57
Dod may bear me out here but no way would you get 6-1 for a draw.
im just happy :D its brill :P now im gonna get a jessops flash gun :D and a new tripod :) a cheap one :) and a rocket thing for *** i get my camera back in 6 weeks :D
as i said i dunno a guy did it for me
Galaxy66
26-12-2007, 23:59
i dont understand the whole 6:1 thing.
Simple, 1 in 6 chance of winning so basically you win 6 X £15, plus, I think your stake = £100
digitalfailure
27-12-2007, 00:01
I do wish you'd just edit your posts, if you just want to add a few more words with no replies in between.
Also........I'm usually the first person to defend posts with poor grammar etc, but in one of your earlier posts you told us how you went back into education and passed a GCSE in English. Why not practice the skills you've gained by dropping the "text" speak?
oh right so if its yhe other way round? u make less then i think i get it lol i dunno. i dont like it but im going to buy stuff tomoz at jessops :)
yeah i got a D in english :)
Galaxy66
27-12-2007, 00:11
DF do you think we should report him for spamming:D
report me if you like but im not being nasty, so it would be malicus on your part.
Galaxy66
27-12-2007, 00:14
I do wish you'd just edit your posts, if you just want to add a few more words with no replies in between.
Also........I'm usually the first person to defend posts with poor grammar etc, but in one of your earlier posts you told us how you went back into education and passed a GCSE in English. Why not practice the skills you've gained by dropping the "text" speak?
Text speak, Grrrrrrrrrrrr:bang::annoyed:
Galaxy66
27-12-2007, 00:15
report me if you like but im not being nasty, so it would be malicus on your part.
Heck man take a joke:lol::lol::lol:
Galaxy66
27-12-2007, 00:18
I'm leaving this thread now Ash, no hard feelings, just said all I have to say on this one......... bye:D
hypnotic
27-12-2007, 00:21
I find myself wondering what to make of you Ash ... :shrug:
Are you just on a big wind-up or what?
There seems to be so many holes and inconsistencies in your posts that just don't hold water. It hasn't gone unnoticed by a few people on here.
They may want to turn your life (?) into a movie one day.
not really. yes im for real, if i was making it up id make it seem more realistic. but its looking up for me now and im trying my best to have a positive outlook like u said. wether u like it or not its all real. i dont like it. but im trying to do *** everyone is telling me, and improve my happyness. and if they think i am lying their opinions mean less than nothing to me. i dont mind. as i said im going to the shop tomoorow and to the library. just coz my camera is buggered soesnt mean i can t do nuthing as i think it was u told me
hypnotic
27-12-2007, 00:35
not really. yes im for real, if i was making it up id make it seem more realistic. but its looking up for me now and im trying my best to have a positive outlook like u said. wether u like it or not its all real. i dont like it. but im trying to do *** everyone is telling me, and improve my happyness.
Not making a very good start then, are you?
Your signature now makes no sense whatsoever and also insults a few football supporters ... :nono:
Being more positive is a good thing.
Your next task should be to take more time to think about what you post on this and any other forums.
i dont mind insulting other football supporters lol its part of the game :) part of the spirit :) like u *** do at a game :D and its all in good humour :P im just feeling happy as larry at the moment :D and im gonna look b4 i leap. im gonna read books and **** a good photo magazine :)
busterboy
27-12-2007, 00:45
Does anyone remember that lass Joanne.... Cant remember her username..:thinking: She got banned.:|
I think this is leading down the same path.:thumbsdown:
hypnotic
27-12-2007, 00:46
That would be the one and only .... Photomad
yeah but im not trying to break any rules... just was depressed. and i wont be banned. as im niot breakibng rules nor am i trying too... sooo....
busterboy
27-12-2007, 00:50
and i wont be banned.
I don't think you will get a say in that decision matey..;)
hypnotic
Yes mate that was her name..:cuckoo:
i dont want to hurt anyone or attack anyone and yes i was depressed and yes i hate xmas and all it stands for, yes i am for real, and yes im trying to cheerr up yes i do like photography and i do like the majority of people on jhere and thats all iwant.
hypnotic
27-12-2007, 00:53
Oh boy ..... Do I miss Photomad about now? ... :help:
busterboy
27-12-2007, 00:53
neither do u
But I know people who are watching your every post that can make that decision..;)
well if they do it wont really be fair as i aint broken any rules or insulted anyone my only crime was being depressed.
busterboy
27-12-2007, 00:54
Oh boy ..... Do I miss Photomad about now? ... :help:
Come back all is forgiven..:lol:
hypnotic
27-12-2007, 00:56
neither do u
There you go again Ash ... :thinking:
You have a god given talent of winding people up the wrong way ... Even if you don't mean to.
Sit back and take a deep breath before you post and you might find a better way to put accross your message.
i dont want to wind anyone up TBH. i dont need anymore enemies. really. i dont think ive insulted a single person here or flamed them or whateve you call it, and just want to post photos when i get my camera back and for people to critisise them or critque or watever u call it
busterboy
27-12-2007, 01:05
http://www.timprocter.co.uk/photography/gifs/Damn.gif
busterboy if you dont like me u dont have to talk to me u know?
Tsukiyomi
27-12-2007, 01:42
If you give determination and Intelligence to anything, It Is not out of your depth what you choose.:D
My bike knackered again on me and I refused to allow It to stop me getting the shots I wanted of Salisbury Dock In Liverpool, so I sprinted and walked there. Took an hour to get there but was worth It.
Tsukiyomi
27-12-2007, 01:46
and i HATE xmas
You are not alone In this.:D
EdinburghGary
27-12-2007, 07:09
this thread is now officially insane :) some funny stuff being smoked me thinks!!!! :)
antonroland
27-12-2007, 07:17
this thread is now officially insane :) some funny stuff being smoked me thinks!!!! :)
YEP!
Leads to bad typing too;)
EdinburghGary
27-12-2007, 07:19
ash quick but serious question, have you a condition such as adhd, or aspergers for example? Just your posts show traits!!! Please don't take issue with the question, I have ADHD and its pretty mad, my brother on law has aspergers and he posts on forums in a similar style to you. Gary.
EdinburghGary
27-12-2007, 07:25
also you post very late at night and early in morning...another sign maybe?
antonroland
27-12-2007, 07:39
O.K. here comes a proper can of worms!:naughty:
All these "disorders" we have nowadays - AND I'M NOT SAYING THEIR SYMPTOMS ARE NOT REAL - are purely the result of horrible eating habits and horrible foods consumed!
Our children have become the Ritalin generation and the only people having joy out of this are the doctors, pharmacists and drug companies.
And they are doing so at the expense of the long term health of our children!
Criticize/ostracize me for this but go and think about it!:bang::bang::bang:
Rant over:shake:
MG TF 135
27-12-2007, 09:23
Ashers don't worry. Rome was not built in a day. There are many of us that struggle with the terchnical jargon EVERY time we go out and shoot. It was two years before i put the camera in M mode.
Aperture - OMG, that one always gets me. At the moment i work with the following motto: Small number is small depth of field (DOF), large number is large DOF. I think the confusion on this one is when people say 'large' aperture but the number is 'small' and vice versa.
richmond
27-12-2007, 11:04
Ash ........... Go to Amazon and order 'Understanding Exposure' by Bryan Peterson. They have some 2nd hand from £8ish. Whilst you're there look around for more 'How To' photography books.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Understanding-Exposure-Photographs-Digital-Camera/dp/0817463003/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198752670&sr=8-1
ISBN. 0-8174-6300-3
That should keep you busy until you get your camera back. A much better way of spending your ill-gotten cash if you really are serious about using and learning your camera.
Maybe a couple of books on self awareness and social intercourse wouldn't go amiss to. :)
ConfusedChicca
27-12-2007, 12:21
I was bought Understanding Exposure for Christmas! I've had a quick read through and I'm already feeling more confident.
Ashers: I was sooooo confused when I first started (hence the username), I asked lots of questions and messed around (A LOT) with my camera. Now I work as a photographer every weekend in clubs, and I'm branching out in 2008, with the knowledge I've gained from reading Understanding Exposure (buy it!).
I guess my main point would be: If you don't have patience, photography is going to really frustrate you, when it should be something you enjoy.
Read your camera manual, learn all about the different settings (Aperture priority- Av, Shutter Priority - Tv, Manual (M) and so on, but do it one at a time so you're comfortable with each setting and know which one to use when.
xx
The daft thing is all the things which confuse people the most could easily be explained in an hour -tops, sitting round a table with a camera handy for reference. If you know someone you can get together with to explain these things it's lot easier than trying to do it on your own.
Failing that, the local library is usually a rich source of info.
EdinburghGary
28-12-2007, 08:56
O.K. here comes a proper can of worms!:naughty:
All these "disorders" we have nowadays - AND I'M NOT SAYING THEIR SYMPTOMS ARE NOT REAL -
Good start :)
are purely the result of horrible eating habits and horrible foods consumed!
Can't agree or disagree with the above comment, I have no idea what causes it.
Our children have become the Ritalin generation and the only people having joy out of this are the doctors, pharmacists and drug companies.
And they are doing so at the expense of the long term health of our children!
Don't forget the poor parents!!! They too will be having joy due to their kids not acting like a bunch of loons. Whilst I was never prescribed drugs (except liquid valium when I was 3, for a short time), I probably needed something to "bring me down" a peg or two. My mum ended up in the loony bin for 3 years due to me being a litle ****. I am talking about scaling down drainpipes at 3am and not returning for 2 or 3 days at 10 year old. Or not being bought a toy and therefore lighting a newspaper on fire and sticking it under the couch when she was sitting on it!!! The final straw when I was 11, I took an Axe and chased a neighbour home with it, smashed up their fence, garden, door etc etc. This is not what a normal person does, and whether nature or nurture (lack off?) caused it, I was different. I went into care when I was 11, and never left until I got my own place!!
Criticize/ostracize me for this but go and think about it!:bang::bang::bang:
Rant over:shake:
I think your post is fair point. You have not denied these conditions exist, you have merelly stated they have been caused by our lifestyles we choose.
With regards to ADHD, it's a hugely rewarding "condition" if you know how to milk it as a teenager and use its strengths as an adult. If you can't keep a lid on it though, it can and often will destory you.
im too lazy to adhd lol. or even ad.
antonroland
28-12-2007, 12:25
Ashers, humour me and tell me what (and how much of it) you eat in a typical day.
You can, of course, also PM me if you don't want to chat in public.
:thumbs:
This thread has gone way off topic, even for "Out of focus". :p
It started off with understanding photography and it's now beginning to make assumptions which the OP states don't apply.
The original point of the thread appears to have run it's course and this is now being closed :)
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