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So I've just been comissioned for a proper corporate photo shoot in an office studio with a real model. They want it to look great, and I'm not sure on using my flash. I'm thinking of renting some f/1.8 lens and possibly some lighting. I just don't know what I'll really need. Any tips?
Can you be a little more specific about the job?
Unless you are going to need shots with a very small DoF I wouldn't have thought you would be needing (or even want) to use anything like f2.
I always take 4 or 5 flash heads to any location job. Although I prefer to use no more than 2 or 3 as you can create problems for yourself if you throw more lamps at it.
Its basically an office shoot with a model and some corporate logos. Everything is going to be desaturated apart from the logos. They want it to look great. So possibly f/2.8 or f/1.8 for a nice DoF.
ummm other way mate - 2.8 will give you a narrow DoF
ummm other way mate - 2.8 will give you a narrow DoF
Yer I never get that one right. Photography stuff is always backwards :) I'm thinking nice bokeh with the model and desk/table in the foreground desaturated with the logos shining through. I'm looking at renting some reflectors.
You'll be better off with a three-head flash set-up.
Main light with a 1.5m Softbox (if the office is big enough) and two fill-lights with silver brollies lighting the background.
Practice first - don't whatever you do just turn up and hope it'll be alright. You'll end up looking a right prat.
This is what I use and it's very robust and versatile:
http://www.bowens.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_29&products_id=246
This is the newest version.
Not knowing anything about the size of the office or whether you will have any natural light to work with makes it dificult to give you any really useful advice but I can throw a few thinking points at you.
Firstly, refectors can be a nightmare on location shoots. There are often times that you can't get them to throw the light where you need it and keep them out of shot at the same time. It's often much easier to tuck a flash head behind a desk or under a chair, just poking out enough to enough to bounce light off the ceiling.
If you're planning to shot with a shallow DoF, then you can get away with fairly low powered flash heads and still balance these with the natural or room light. The only major issure here is if you then need to have a fairly long exposure time and having your model keeping still enough not to become a blur.
The biggest thing thing to watch out for if you end up using a few light sources is not to get unatural looking shadows. A well lit room will look stunning in the finished photos but if you get a flood lit football picth look it's much less satisfying.
HTH :)
Ta :) That setup ain't cheap :o
No it aint. But if you're being paid to do a Professional Job, you owe it to the client to have the right equipment.
Yer but I can't afford to buy that. I'm looking into the possability of renting one, but Calumet seem to be a bit lacking in what they have.
Where abouts are you Pete and when is the shoot?
I may be able to help out with some lamps.
You can rent lighting kits from most major suppliers.
Here is one:
http://www.directlighting.co.uk/
That was my next thought - borrow mine...
Shoot is next Wednesday, I'm near Liverpool. They want the quote today.
hmm, the timing is fine but do you fancy a drive down to Wiltshire. :D
If you get really stuck you're welcome to come and get some on tues, bring them back on thursday. Can't see it being your first choice though.
Sorry, I'm in Uxbridge, Middx.
Quote should be over £1k + expenses for a job involving studio lights - they pay the hire costs as well, don't forget.
Thanks, but that is some drive :)
Sorry, I'm in Uxbridge, Middx.
Quote should be over £1k + expenses for a job involving studio lights - they pay the hire costs as well, don't forget.
So £1k for the work, and then expenses on top of that? I've previously charged them £60 for small things. I was looking at charging them about £200. I thought £500 might be pushing it considering I'm newish.
There will be suppliers in Liverpool - do a web trawl. It'll still be in the order of £30-50 for a day's hire.
And if not, do what you have to do and drive. It's a job and sometimes the photography is only 1% of it.
might sound stupid, but get a tripod......then if the light is rubbish, and the model can sit still for a second you can do it with a tripod, just a matter of getting the exposure right
(ps, i havent a clue what im on about, so disregard if carp...)
Well Calumet seemed nice and helpful. They recommend 1 softbox, 1 umberalla and 2 heads. Only glitch, £1k deposit for first time renters!! :O
We've been here before regarding pricing structures for jobs.
If it's a corporate client, are they employing you because you're good or because you're cheap?
If it's because you're good, then charge the going rate. Think if this was your only income - how many jobs would you have to do at £200 a pop to pay the mortgage and put food on the table?
Right - your time is worth at least £150 per hour - minimum 2 hour booking.
Setting up takes time - could they do it? No? Charge them for your expertise.
Can they operate the camera? No? Charge them for the expertise.
Models cost money - they pay for that too, unless you source the model, then you pay her and they pay you. Add 20% handling fee if you do the model booking as it's all extra work and time.
A corporate photo-shoot from an established company will cost about £5k minimum. If they balk at the cost, tell them to go elsewhere. Wait a couple of days and get in touch with your contact and ask how they're getting on.
I agree with Rob totally, there is nothing worse than undervaluing your work. I do think that £1k may be a little over the mark for this job but it could be close to that by the time you add on any expenses and the cost for the time you'll spend in post production to get the look they want.
If you're able to put the rental deposit on a credit card then it would be well worth it not only to have the right tools for the job but also to get an account running with them for future jobs.
If you continuously underprice your work, you'll be destined for small p1ssy little jobs for life, while all the time wondering why you're not making Big Bucks.
Photographers who make Big Bucks charge Big Bucks, it's that simple.
And clients pay because thay know that's what it costs these days.
Warspite
19-01-2006, 14:23
Sorry I cannot offer anything technical - but Arkady and Dazzajl are right, it comes down to confidence to ask what its worth, and this might risk losing a few jobs, but if they wont pay for a professional service, they cant have one, they'll end up with some kid and no experience doing it - if money is the clincher.
Im a strong believer in you get what you pay for - and that doesnt mean you necessarily get ripped off. This is an expensive art, cameras, lenses, flashlights - all cost a hell of alot even at consumer level, what your talking about is definitely pro level territory and if they want that they will have to pay for it.
Better to quote them big, and turn up looking like your worth it with all the gear, than trying the blue peter approach and them being cheerful about the cost but p****d about the results later.
Also the fact is if you dont rate yourself nobody else will, so take a deep breath and go for - demand what you think your skills are worth, if thats too much for them I dont think its worth you wasting your time and effort.
Not much help, but hopefully some - good luck:thumb:
To maybe put it into perspective I get £200 now for going out to do a few horse portraits.
This is part of their whole marketing strategy. Believe me, that costs a small fortune, they know that and will have budgets already set aside.
Whether or not your realistic price matches their budget is a different matter, but that's up to them to worry about.
I've quoted them £1050 for my fee and another £150 for the lens and flash hire. I'm going to rent the flash for a week, its technically cheaper to than 2 days. That way I can get in some practice time. The shoot is 3hrs long, and the want bits of each photo to be desatured and other key elements in colour so thats at least 4hrs. Just waiting to hear back.
:thumb: If you're expecting that much photoshop work then I'd say your pricing is spot on.
My only reservation (and this is no more than an observers comment) is that I'm not sure about adding on the hire charge in this case. If I have to get something in that is out of the ordinary then I'll always pass on the cost but from a clients point of view I would expect someone charging the going rate to have standard equipment like flash heads.
I don't want to come over in a negative way as I think you've done exactly the right thing by standing up for the value of your work. :cool:
Todo a desaturated background and elements in colour will take a bit of time per shot. I said I'd give them 20 shots. They also asked me to put down the lighting costs.
I said I'd give them 20 shots. They also asked me to put down the lighting costs.
Gottcha and excellent.
Look forward to seeing the end result. :D
Well done for taking a deep breath and standing your ground - it's a big step; your first 'proper-money' job (I assume it is?).
Yer it will be. Thanks for your help guys. It was certainly stressful dealing with this. Still gotta wait for them to say yes, practice with the setup and then actually do the shoot. :dizzy:
Funnily enough after this quote was sent I had my old friend asking to use an image for a 5000 person mailshot. This is the guy that wanted 4x4 foot posters doing for £60. I kept telling him no. I even said £50, which is very cheap. I told him months ago that I didn't want to undersell my work and he doesn't listen. I stuck to my guns and didn't let him have the image for free. I could clearly see he was desperate. He said to me that his client was "VERY BIG". I told him I had a willing paying client who dealt with the City of Culture stuff and they said £130 for a 1000 mail shot across Europe. He was like "fine then, don't do it". :nut:
He said to me that his client was "VERY BIG".
If that was the case either your "old friend" is trying to rip you off by keeping all the money for himself, or he stupidly undercharged his very big client and is in a jam himself... either way is a good reason for sticking to your guns.
Good for you for not selling yourself short, hope you get the new job :thumb:
Good on ya Pete. Takes a while to get used to , but when playing in Corporate land they think nothing of spending thousands on a service.
Simple way to look at things are if you stick with higher paying clients, if they are happy with your work. they will pass your name on to other potential clients with similar budgets. Keep away from the likes of the firms you last describe above...they will only drag you down.
Keep us informed on this Pete! :)
Well so far the client was a bit shocked at the price and said it was widly over budget. So I cut the price in half. Still waiting to hear back. It would be good experience for me to do this.
So I cut the price in half.
Well I must admit that I don't think this is the best of business practices mate, only from the point of view that it looks like you were trying it on with the first price.
Maybe in future you should consider a less drastic reduction but I do feel that if you have costed it to a certain price then maybe it should remain that price?
But it's all a learning experience.
Yer I totally get ya. I'm just so lost at business stuff. I'm just a web designer who likes to take photos. But it seems like a good opourtinity to take. The guy admited he thinks I'm worth it, and he didn't have a figure in mind. He never thought it would be this much. Given that my previous jobs have cost £60 I can fully appreciate that. Its good experience at a model shoot with studio lighting at a real PR company that would probably be viewing my work.
I have to agree with Sammy here, it's a shame you had to go down this road. You might be a web designer taking photos but you want to do a professional job for them and they should pay professional money for it.
If you hadn't have done it for half price what would their options have been? I suspect they would have either got someone out of the yellow pages (or whatever) and had to pay them what you quoted or come back to you with more money or a scaled down request.
The other side of it is how it impacts on people like me who take pictures to pay the mortgage and feed the family. As an example, you can imagine how popular I'd be if I went down to my local cab rank and offered to drive people around at half fare for a bit of pocket money.
I don't want to have a go at you for your decision as we all start somewhere and as you've found out, it's very difficult to stick to your guns on pricing early on. I would advise you to have good think about this though if you want to start taking jobs for money. Once you get a rep for being a bloke that'll take pics on the cheap, you may find it almost impossible to break free of it.
All that said, I still hope you get the shoot as it will be a great learning curve and will hopefully boost your confidence for the next one.
D :)
I know, i know :( I still haven't got the job for £500 yet. It just seems that everyone is always telling me "ooh thats too much mate." I really don't want people to think that I'm cheap either. If I had plenty of work coming in I would totally stick to my guns, but I'm in debt and £500 is better than nothing at the mo. I've done jobs for this guy before for £60, so I'm sure thats why he was suprised.
I'm sure that's why he was surprised and this is the trouble with being known as cheap, it's very difficult to raise your prices to realistic amounts later on.
Next time someone asked you for a quote actually sit down and work it out exactly how much this will cost you in expenses (travel, equipment, etc.) and how much time you will need including picking up hire gear, phoning studios etc, then you know how much to charge. You might find that you can drop the price to a more acceptable level when they ask (but only if there is a reason) and know immediately if you can afford it.
Just take your time, work it out on paper, and try to avoid the rushed response when you slash the price in half not to lose a sale. Just say 'I'll have to come back to you on that one, see if there is any savings that can be made', its polite, accurate, and shows you're not trying to shaft them.
Still, this is just one step further down the road and a much better price than last time.
:)
I did though. It was only expensive because you guys told me I should be charging £150 an hour, when i've normally done £20. It was all worked out and budgeted. He's came back with £300 left for the photographer from their budget. He's said if I feel robbed to say so.
Rather than labour on this job I would recommend you understand what the "successful" competition charges. From this you can you can position your prices accordingly. You should never take too much notice of the customer stating you are too expensive etc, unless they can produce competive quotes etc. It's a slippery slope starting to reduce prices just because they say they can't afford it.
Put it this way, would you accept £200 for your camera because that is all I can afford ? (If you do, then please pm me ;) )
Apologies if anything sounds harsh, but we all support you here on your ventures, so sometimes a bit of straight talk is required.
Good luck with the job anyway :)
It was only expensive because you guys told me I should be charging £150 an hour
Well if it's any help to you at all I would have costed it like this
3 hours on site @ £100 per hour
4 hours Photoshop work @ £180 per hour
£1 per mile
all plus VAT of course.
That's for images supplied on CD/DVD as TIFF (aprox 70/80mb) and small JPEG versions.
When I was setting my price list I spent a couple of days phoning round dozens and dozens of companies getting a quote on a made up job so I had a wide range of comparisons. A very interesting excercise as the difference in quality of response was staggering.
Warspite
20-01-2006, 18:25
This is only an observation - nothing personal, but I think the problem your having is the conflict between photography as a hobby and enjoyment, and that of a career. Its all well when its shooting the shots, but the haggling, the costing of something that you would actually like to do for experience I think is causing you conflict.
You need to really take the approach of if it aint worth it I wont do it, as opposed to the situation where you really want to have a go and that enthusiasm is I think making it harder for you to draw the line.
If these companies are responding with dissapointment at your prices, you should at a minimum explain that the earlier cost was almost like a sample, and from now on its the pro rate.
Or alternatively something that tends to wake people up is to present them with a breakdown of where the costs are going, and that any cheaper will mean a much lower quality result - one which you would not be willing to be part of;)
I'm sorry Pete but it sounds like your getting the polite shaft a bit here, he seen you slash your price in half and now he's trying to push you further. I can fully understand your wanting to earn some money here to clear some debts, but unless your really struggling I would tell him "your starting to feel robbed" then explain why.
Yes, you did cheaper jobs for him before but these were introductory prices, and these jobs did not require organising and using lighting equipment, longer shooting hours, more intricate photoshop work that'll take more hours aswell... as Warspite said, break it all down for him.
There's no way he's got just £300 left in the budget to hire a professional photographer to do a shoot, that isn't even remotely close to the going rate, it's more like he has £300 left for YOU to do a shoot... I'd personally find that quite insulting. Unless you force him to properly value your work he never will and he'll allways offer you next to nothing and expect you to take it.
It's a tough one this.
We're all trying to steer you down the road with the benefit of hindsight and experience.
When I started out in my teens, I did gig photography for some local bands in Oxford (The Corn Dolly and The Penny Farthing - all gone now). I did these for the price of admission and for drinks.
When it came time for the bands to cough up for all the prints they'd ordered, the money mysteriously vanished and I was left holding almost £300 worth of hand-printed B&W 10x8"s.
We've all been there (some of us, anyway) and the fact is - if they're asking you to do it as a favour, then fine - you've done that. If they're paying you as a professional, pay the going rate.
This guys may be telling you he's only got a small budget on the strength of the previous jobs you've done for them. He'll have told his bosses they can save £3k on the job and now you're making him look stupid by raising the bar on him. Tough.
It's not personal - it's business.
It's the hardest part of our job and the bit I like least, but the country is littered with failed photographers who were great at image-making but lousy at business.
I agree with the others - you shouldn't have dropped the price so drastically - it definitely looks like you were trying it on and now haven't the confidence to carry it through.
Ok guys cheers for your help. I really appreciate it. You are right when you say I'm having conflicts between hobby and pro. I'd do the job for free if money wasn't an object, but money is. It does make me think that if I accept the job for £300 then the next time they offer me work and I say £1k they'll say "but last time it was £300". He mentioned they had previous obtained their imagery from iStock, which is why when it came to a professional shoot he was shocked at the price.
So, come Monday. Best option would be to stand my ground and say that realistically it would be £1k, but as a favour I dropped it to £500. I couldn't do it for £300 as I'm already spending £1k as a deposit on the lens and lighting rental. It really is a big step up from the previous to jobs. A few hours at a wedding would cost at least the same and thats for personal use.
Sound ok? I'd love to do the job, it sounds good and could have interesting prospects. Feather in my cap, corporate section on my portfolio. I keep feeling like I'm burning clients with each job, but I guess thats because I don't have the confidence yet to say "right, this this and that. industry standard, won't find someone better for cheaper. yay or nay." I am getting there though with your help, which I really really appreciate. Don't worry about sounding harsh as I need it :)
you ve come a long way Pete, i remember you talking before of not having the confidence with people etc, but look how your doing now? Your talking about doing a pro shoot with a model and all that, so your heading the right way, just stick to your guns now!
Mike Aiken
20-01-2006, 23:28
Pete,
Just to put things into perspective, we were burgled 18 months ago, and we had to change the barrel in the lock (£8) at b&q.
The bill (i knew we could claim it on the insurance) was £269.99.
1 Guy in a van to travel 3 miles, to fit a barrel in a lock that took 15 minutes.
I've just been doing some accounts work for the company i work for, and have just checked back as to what we paid for one cover picture for our catalogue, price for the image was £450.00.
I know its not going to change anything, it just shows how much people charge. So dont feel your overcooking the chicken when you go in at a £1000.
By the way, it would be the first time someone has gone over budget either.
Good luck anyway and i hope you get it, the work on your site is great.
Mike
Cheers guys :) I went to Getty and picked a typical office shot and priced it up. At least £280 for one photo. Thats a normal every day office shot. This is a custom shoot tailored to this company. I'm feeling a little more confident now as I can use that info. I'll be friendly with the guy and tell him I'd love to do the work, and sure I was cheap in the past but I've got to quote realistic prices now.
Funny thing is, he was one of the people that helped convince me to turn pro.
So, come Monday. Best option would be to stand my ground and say that realistically it would be £1k, but as a favour I dropped it to £500. I couldn't do it for £300 as I'm already spending £1k as a deposit on the lens and lighting rental. It really is a big step up from the previous to jobs. A few hours at a wedding would cost at least the same and thats for personal use.
I went to Getty and picked a typical office shot and priced it up. At least £280 for one photo. Thats a normal every day office shot. This is a custom shoot tailored to this company. I'm feeling a little more confident now as I can use that info. I'll be friendly with the guy and tell him I'd love to do the work, and sure I was cheap in the past but I've got to quote realistic prices now.
Sounds like a good and fair way to go forward mate, good luck! :thumb:
Sounds like you're going the right way there mate. Keep us posted.
:)
My fingers are well and truly X'd for you.
Warspite
21-01-2006, 15:10
Goodluck Pete, hope you get it, but dont let them take advantage, your good at your stuff so make sure they pay accordingly:thumb:
You should keep a diary of all this....you'll be able to write a book for "Beginners guide to Pro Photography" ;)
Catdaddy
21-01-2006, 17:37
You should keep a diary of all this....you'll be able to write a book for "Beginners guide to Pro Photography" ;)
And sell it for lots... other than to fellow TPF'ers...!
& be on commission for any TPF statements included ;)
good luck pete i hope you succeed and realise your worth and make them pay that price not the whimiscal one they dreamed up :)
Ok they gone upto the £500 I quoted. I'm tempted to say yes, but only this once as I know you're in a bind. The only reason they said £500 is because I was stupid so I can't exactly say no.
take the money Pete, you have a goood platform to work on for the next job!
Mike Aiken
22-01-2006, 16:07
Well done Pete, good luck with the shoot.
Mike
Well done, they know they're still getting a good deal.
Pete, placed some generic advice on understanding business costs here (http://www.thephotographyforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5146), that may be of help in future
Cheers DJW. Client booked, location booked, lighting booked, lens (17-35mm L f/2.8) booked and a model booked. I've rented the equipment for a week so that I can practice tomorrow with it. So all thats left is spending a day learning studio lighting. Any tips? Which way round should the softbox / umberalla go. How do they both connect to my camera? :confused-
No experience here, but having read quite a few articles.....keep it simple
Good starting point with 4 parts to it http://www.ephotozine.com/equipment/buyersguide/fullbuyersguide.cfm?buyersguideid=26
Softbox should be your main light, and that's the one attached to the camera, either by sych cord (supplied with lights) or an IR trigger which goes on the camera's hot-shoe. Each light should have an IR slave built-in so that when one goes off, they all do.
I've even triggered studio flash with an ordinary flash set to manual and with the ouput dialled right to minimum and the head tilted backwards (even we sometimes forget bits of kit...).
When you start setting up, build one light at a time - by that I mean get the lighting right for one flash before you add another. You should only need two, maybe three lights in a small space. Put the softbox as if it were a window: depending on the sitter, they should look as if they're lit naturally.
The fill-in flashes are positioned to eliminate any shadows from the main light (unless you want shadow, in which case don't use any) and should be outputting at a fraction of the main light's output - typically 1/3 or 1/4 of the main light.
The biggest mistake beginners to studio flash make, is toy use too many lights - it really is a case of 'less is more'...
Remember that when using studio flash, the flash is your shutter speed unless you're after slow-synch effects or are balancing with ambient light, use the fastest sych speed available and set the aperture and flash output to achieve the correct exposure.
There's more but the cats are bugging me for dinner!!!! Argh! Claws!
:wave1: hey Pete,
How you getting on with those lamps today?
Ok, softboxes are a bitch to setup. I kept thinking "It has to bend", then it bends and I'm like "eeeek it'll break!". Eventually its done. Thankfully they supplied me with 2 leads as one seems a bit iffy. I've connected the 10D to the softbox lamp which remotely sets off the brolly lamp. I've tried various settings and things and I really like them. They're not that scary to use and quite logical. Set camera to manual, 1/200. Set aperature, set light power, take pic. I'm relying on the histogram more than ever. I've never used it before but I can look at it and go "hmm, while the pic looks *ok* the histogram says its lacking highlights." Then I re-adjust the lamps and try again. The great thing is, when I have a spare £1k I know I can just go out and buy an Espirit Gemini 3x 500w setup and be happy.
I'll post some pics of my setup later.
Hey good luck for the shoot Pete, hope it all goes well for you
They're not that scary to use and quite logical
:cool: :cool: :cool:
It used to be much more fun in the days before histograms though. ;)
Ok this is what I've been playing with.
http://petemc.net/images/DSC00054.JPG
http://petemc.net/images/DSC00053.JPG
I moved the lights back so I could test them at f/2.8.
Nice iron.
(It is customary, nay, internet law, that any shots taken in a forum members house, must receive comments of the decor, apparel, furniture, or anything else comepletely unconnected with the reason for the photograph).
Yer I hear the Iron is good, and yes the VCR is crap :p
I'm quite taken with the zimmer frame! lol
Yours?
I'm quite taken with the zimmer frame! lol
Yours?
Er no :p My Mum's. She had a stroke.
Ok, so the shoot. Tiring and quite nerve racking. The model seemed a bit shy and I had to keep telling her to smile. I tried making jokes and things as I felt faking a smile wasn't as nice as real emotion. Some shots have the reflections of the lights in the windows, I never thought of that but that was a good lesson to learn. I also kept having a blank mind. On my way there I kept thinking about shots I wanted, but then during the shoot I would get a couple of shots and then my mind was blank. I found that quite annoying. The lights were fantastic though. Far far better than a simply Sigma flash. There are some shots where I can see that I should have positioned the brolly better and things but its all good. Learning curve, experience, portfolio etc :)
A sample;
I watched Lost in Translation last night for some inspiration. Its a wonderful film with great direction and the cinematography is just so nice. So during the shoot I noticed I had a spare brolly. So I had the odd idea of an empty room with the model holding the brolly looking out the window.
http://petemc.net/ocuk/CRW_7047-03.jpg
http://petemc.net/ocuk/CRW_7047-02.jpg
I don't know what it says but I kinda like it.
I like the tones & contrast in those shots Pete. Composition is a good idea, although in PS I would a) straighten vertical of distant windows plus at end of wall on both & b) shift the angle from end wall to ceiling, so it was same as floor to wall.
Good work :)
Ah yer, I did that with the first one, but not the second. Doh :)
the room: Pete if you move the coffee table further away from the couch, you might find it easier to use the couch for sitting on...
Hope your mums OK
the shoot: Wow good pic! cant see the company logo, but who gives a chuff, pretty lady!
the room: Pete if you move the coffee table further away from the couch, you might find it easier to use the couch for sitting on...
LOL :p
Hope your mums OK
Slowly, but getting better.
the shoot: Wow good pic! cant see the company logo, but who gives a chuff, pretty lady!
Hehe yer I have no idea what it says either, but I kinda liked it. Something a bit different. I've got plenty of more traditional shots :)
I like both of those. If you decide to go with the original I'd just clone out the outside detail in that bottom left window, so it's just a bright window like all the others. I can't see that you need to much else at all. :)
minimeeze
26-01-2006, 10:49
Great shots there. Have been following this thread with great intrigue, and glad it all worked out for you in the end :)
Brilliant!
Love those to bits, well-done mate.
Cheers guys :D I'm really impressed by studio lighting and its great to know that when I have the spare £1k I will be able to go out and buy the Bowens 3 head setup knowing it'll do me for a long time. Thanks for all your advice and help, it wouldn't have been possible without it. :)
Mikharper
28-11-2007, 21:32
Poop, read this whole thread with the excitement of seeing the final pics.. and they aint here! I know its was waay back though.
krazy_horse
28-11-2007, 22:00
Ahhh crap, me too :(
Can you post them again please
what a saga, I didn't realise it was ancient until I got red crosses instead of pics
how about an update petemc?
did the client like the results?
did they ever pay you full price for the next job?
did you write the book?
Mikharper
29-11-2007, 10:04
Did he get the girl in the end? :love:
Whoa holy thread revival. Um... I don't think I have samples online anymore. It all went ok though.
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