Canon 30D released

[Steve]

Taken from RobGalbraith

“Canon today has unveiled the EOS 30D, a refined version of the EOS 20D that shares the same image sensor and numerous other core camera components but adds a 2.5-inch (diagonal) rear LCD, increased burst depth, Picture Styles, a shutter with a higher duty cycle rating and a long list of other camera usability changes.
If you're familiar with how Canon evolved the EOS-1D Mark II into the EOS-1D Mark II N, then you have a pretty good idea of the type and magnitude of tweaks the company made in updating the 20D to 30D status. The 20D has been our favourite second-body camera since its introduction in the fall of 2004, and the 30D appears to be making a good thing better.”

Changes in the 30D include:

• A new 2.5-inch, 230,000 pixel rear LCD monitor with wide viewing angle
• Canon's more flexible Picture Style menu, which replaces the Parameters menu of the 20D
• Sharpening of in-camera JPEGs can be turned off, which is a first for a Canon entry-level or midrange digital SLR
• ISO 100-1600 is now selectable in 1/3 stop increments
• ISO can be set without taking one's eye away from the viewfinder
• Increased burst depth: 11 frames for RAW CR2 shooting, 30 for Large Fine JPEG and 9 for RAW+JPEG
• A more-durable shutter that's rated for 100,000 cycles
• A slightly-shortened mirror blackout time of 110ms; Canon's specification for shutter lag remains the same as the 20D at 65ms
• Viewfinder information now includes a dedicated Flash Exposure Lock (FEL) indicator
• Switchable High-Speed Continuous (5 fps) and Low-Speed Continuous (3 fps) frame rate settings are now included
• An Auto setting in the Long Exposure Noise Reduction Custom Function
• The ability, like several more-pricey Canon digital SLRs, to simultaneously apply long exposure noise processing to one picture while capturing another
• The addition of a 3.5% spot metering mode
• 0.15 second camera startup time
• A more-precise 4-increment battery charge indicator
• Reduced energy compensation, for a promised improvement of 10% more frames per charge
• No more new folders created every 100 photos; in the 30D, a folder can hold 9999 photos
• A new automatic rotation option that enables verticals to not be rotated on the rear display but appear rotated in compatible browser software on the computer
• The ability to zoom in on a photo in Quick Review mode
• During playback, the image+shooting data screen will display either an RGB or Brightness histogram, file size and will optionally display AF markings
• Improved Jump function
• Refined multicontroller operation
• More-detailed error code information, which now appears on the rear LCD monitor (in addition to the top LCD panel); the camera settings information screen will also display Images Failed to Transfer when the WFT-E1/E1A is in use and a transmit error occurs
• More ways to wake the camera up from an Auto Power Off snooze
• Direct image transfer from the camera to a computer using the PTP protocol
• A revamped software package that includes Digital Photo Professional (DPP) 2.1, EOS Utility 1.0 (a new image transfer, camera settings and camera control application), Image Browser 5.6 (Mac) and ZoomBrowser EX 5.6 (Windows); DPP adds user-settable noise reduction and support for RAW files from the Canon EOS D2000 and D6000
• New and potentially useful direct printing capabilities (plus a dedicated direct print/image transfer button)


There is nothing on Canon’s site yet but if you want to read the full article then it can be found here (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-7891-8214)

Thanks to IanC_UK for bringing this to my attention :)

[stepheno]

You posted this while I was typing mine :thumb:

regards

[shiato storm]

so, its not a massive upgrade more an update...probably thats why canon were keeping it so quiet. if people realised too soon how little it differed then there'd be very little interest in it...as it is there still may be little interest in it. I wonder if this is designed - along with the cashback released:
http://canoneos5dpromotion.onlinerebates.com/intro.aspx
- to drive sales of the poorly selling 5D up a bit? and we're going to get a proper upgrade later in the autumn...

[CT]

The big screen is much nicer, and the spot metering is long overdue. The picture style settings are the same as the 1D MK2N and the 5D and I find them just the job and really convenient. The tweaks are nice but I'm surprised Canon arent playing the pixel game and haven't gone for more pixels, especially as they produce their own sensors and are old hands at the mega pixel game. To be fair I think 8 mill is enough - presumably Canon do too.

It's a nice camera for anyone looking to buy, but I don't see any great need for 20D users to consider trading up, it's nice though that it's compatible with 20D bits including battery grip for anyone who's just gotta have one.

[dod]

Subtle changes but the spot metering is the only thing I'd really find useful. Other than the more robust shutter is handy but not really anything to make me think about changing.

[IanC_UK]

Nothing in there that would make me upgrade the 20D to be honest, if i was going to it would be the 1Dmk2N anyway ! 5D holds no interest for me either.

[Steve]

Iso visible in the viewfinder is long overdue and a step in the right direction.

[CT]

Iso visible in the viewfinder is long overdue and a step in the right direction.

It is, although with the 1D you can have it displayed in the viewfinder all the time as a custom function. It would have been easy to add that to the 30D I'd have thought.

It's nice to see the back of that new folder every 50 shots thingy.... absolute pain!

[dod]

Actually, when I think about it, I seem to remember the 20D having a shutter life of 100,000 when it came out originally.:confused-

[barrymoir]

i like the idea of 100,000 shutter actuations, this is one area of paranoia i have with my 350d

[CT]

Actually, when I think about it, I seem to remember the 20D having a shutter life of 100,000 when it came out originally.:confused-

I thought that too! :Ponders:

[dod]

Found it, down the page "where the 20D is better", but was it right

# The EOS 20D has a high performance shutter designed for increased reliability (100,000 cycles), the Digital Rebel XT has the normal Canon shutter (about 50,000 cycles).

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/eos_digital_rebel_xt_vs_20d.html

[SammyC]

Well in greasy marketing speak they've not said anything wrong there:

It's a more durable shutter that's rated to 100,000 cycles.

They've not directly said what it's more durable than and even if you take it to mean the 20D they've not said that the 20D isn't rated to 100,000 cycles....

Or am I just being a cynic? :p

[petemc]

Hmm balls. I was hoping for a better ISO range. I didn't really see any reason to upgrade my 10D to a 20D, and now theres no real reason to upgrade a 20D to a 30D. Maybe Canon are stuck with what features they can provide at this price range without taking anything away from high end models? Bit annoyed really.

[Steep]

Would be a good upgrade from a 300d though.

[shiato storm]

Hmm balls. I was hoping for a better ISO range. I didn't really see any reason to upgrade my 10D to a 20D, and now theres no real reason to upgrade a 20D to a 30D. Maybe Canon are stuck with what features they can provide at this price range without taking anything away from high end models? Bit annoyed really.
put themselves in a corner you reckon? where the nikon guys bang out a D200 (ok some have flaws but still, pretty stonkingly good camera) canon release the tried and tested with a face lift..."20DmkII N was that?"

[petemc]

put themselves in a corner you reckon? where the nikon guys bang out a D200 (ok some have flaws but still, pretty stonkingly good camera) canon release the tried and tested with a face lift..."20DmkII N was that?"
I'm just thinking out loud :) I can't see why Canon would continue to launch a tweaked 10D rather than a real upgrade.

[Warspite]

It will go up to 3200 ISO as a custom function apparently - why as a CF I've no idea.

Overall it sounds good, nothing spectacular in terms of new ideas or pushing the boundaries, but I guess its a testiment to how good the 20D is that theres not too much room for improvement.

Not the camera everyone will rush out to buy as a replacement, more the camera that will be a suitable entry level for those seeking something a bit more flexible than the 350D, and those that eventually replace their aging 10D/20D with eventually.

Got to say I was expecting something more aggressive in respect to more headline features like a bigger sensor maybe, higher pixel count maybe, larger viewfinder.
It does have some very attractive features, the 3200 ISO, larger LCD (2.5"), not longer creates new folders every 100 shots (does this for every 9999 shots instead). Possible 1100 shots (750 with Flash Assist/AE). And of course Spot Metering.

Any one know about a price, only noticed prices for the new lenses and TBH I thought the 17-55 IS 2.8 was perhaps a little over priced considering it clearly isnt an L.

[Steve]

According to the article it still has the Nikon beat in most areas relating directly to output quality though, build quality and weather sealing are great (I would have liked to see that improved on the 20D replacement) but we all use cameras to take pictures and it's that final output that I am most concerned about. If its still better than the Nikon D200 there then the informed will buy it. Where it will lose out though is on the high street were the public cannot test and evaluate the output from live shoots. They will just see two different bodies with similiar specs and chose the one that feels better to them or looks the prettiest.

[Steve]

Any one know about a price, only noticed prices for the new lenses and TBH I thought the 17-55 IS 2.8 was perhaps a little over priced considering it clearly isnt an L.

From the article..
The 30D is slated to ship in mid-March 2006 in the U.S. at an expected street price of US$1399. The 20D will continue to be sold for some time after the ship date of the 30D, in the U.S. and perhaps other markets also.

[IanC_UK]

It will go up to 3200 ISO as a custom function apparently - why as a CF I've no idea.

20D does this now anyway

Not the camera everyone will rush out to buy as a replacement, more the camera that will be a suitable entry level for those seeking something a bit more flexible than the 350D, and those that eventually replace their aging 10D/20D with eventually.

I certainly wouldnt replace my 20D with one of these, i want to see an improvement when i upgrade, some of the features are nice and if i was looking for a 20D now i would buy one of these instead, but its certainly not enough to make me upgrade 20D - 30D !

[Warspite]

I have to wonder if recent Nikon releases have totally ambushed Canon, because I cannot see anything that is really going to unerve them, all the solutions in the 30D really seem to be just clutching at straws for bits and pieces to cram in a new body, under the guise that its a new camera, when we all know its an update (at best).

I hope this is a sign that perhaps Canon is holding something back for a little later, but it doesnt strike me that way - it does seem that Canon have dropped the ball, and at the momemt would appear to be fumbling with their recovery.

[Matt]

Camera's are getting like cars, aren't they?
Give it a new grill, paint the bumpers and rebadge it.

Its an upgrade that will push some buyers towards it if they are not already
tied into a manufacturer.
They see the 20D (as a lot of consumers do) as a cracking piece of kit,
that still has lots of potential. So why not just update it?

What would be nice now is a new firmware upgrade for all of you 20D owners,
that includes some of the new features from the 30D

[shiato storm]

taken from the EOS magazine online announcement:
http://www.eos-magazine.com/EOS%20system%20folder/EOS%20system/Digital%20cameras/EOS%2030D/keyfeatures.html

The camera was announced on 21 February 2006 and should be on sale (body only) in March 2006 at a recommended retail price of £1099.99

the released price is $1399 or 1399 euros (as stated on dpreview). at present exchange rate; from USD its £805, from Euros its £955 and as stated on the eos mag. site its £1099...now, given all its got (or not got) how attractive does it sound?
rip off britain?! since when did 1399 euros accurately translate to £1099?
there is currently a 300 euro cashback on the 5D BUT they've also made it £200 - which is a pretty fair exchange. to charge in excess of £150 to europe on this, quite frankly, lack-lustre release is shameful.
so if anyone is listening price it fairly! the 5D is/was stymed by the high price tag.
oh and the nikon d200 ;)

[petemc]

$1399 is £805 + VAT = £945. I'm not entire sure why it should be £1099 either. However I was expecting it to be £1200 like the 10D and 20D were. I was hoping for an awesome updgrade. I'm heading to see Dave in Toronto in May so I was hoping to benefit from the £300 saving. I just don't know if its really worth buying. I could get a 70-200 f/2.8 instead which would be more useful.

[Steep]

It's the usual rip off Britain pricing.

Direct conversion from dollars to euros $1399 - €1,175.94 or to pounds £803.074

Can anyone remember what the rate for import duty is on Digital cameras, or is there any?

[fingerz]

I'm surprised no-one's mentioned the 1/3 stop increments of the ISO range yet. Being able to use ISO 125, ISO 160 etc is something I reckon I'd use. Especially between ISO 200 and 400. And perhaps even between 400 and 800.

And I agree entirely about the folders thing. Having a new one every 50 shots really annoys me. Never understood why they won't just fix that with a firmware update.

[ASH]

Actually, when I think about it, I seem to remember the 20D having a shutter life of 100,000 when it came out originally.:confused-

Anyone know what the shutter live of a 5D is?.

[CT]

Anyone know what the shutter live of a 5D is?.

I think it's the same - 100,000. In practice that's a lot of clicks. :)

[fingerz]

How do you know when your shutter needs replacing? Does the body just give an error message?

[ASH]

I think it's the same - 100,000. In practice that's a lot of clicks. :)

Thanks CT.:thumb:

[CT]

You need a special bit of software to acess the info stored in the camera Jamie, but it's a bit like the 'use by' date on food, it could fail sooner or go on a lot longer. The shutter mechanism can be replaced.

[ASH]

You need a special bit of software to acess the info stored in the camera Jamie, but it's a bit like the 'use by' date on food, it could fail sooner or go on a lot longer. The shutter mechanism can be replaced.


I thought it was just a case of the elastic band breaking.:D

[SammyC]

How do you know when your shutter needs replacing? Does the body just give an error message?

No but the big black lines on the pictures will lol :D

[CT]

There was a 1Ds on eBay recently. The guy selling it had been well and truly shafted having bought a 'lightly used' camera and the shutter failed. It turned out to be well past the anticipated 200K exposures. He had a new shutter fitted, I forget the figure but it wasnt cheap, and while he was on he had it serviced and refurbed by Canon. It was going for serious money, but I suppose with a new shutter it must have a new lease of life. I wouldn't think there's too much else to worry about as it's mainly electronics stuff?

[Marcel]

Just got a mailshot from Jessops, and they have announce their pricing for pre-order.

the recommended retail price with the 18-55 EF-S lens is £1179.99.

[petemc]

Just got a mailshot from Jessops, and they have announce their pricing for pre-order.

Yer £20 off the £1200 I expected.

[matty]

import duty is 8% and then vat on top

[digitalfailure]

I got the Jessops mail too, went straight in the trash can.

There just isn't enough of a change to justify changing my 20D for the 30D.

In fact the only thing i did think was worth having was the bigger LCD on the back as i've been caught out a few times with poor images on the PC when they looked sharp on the LCD.

I didn't think there was import duty on the camera body.....:dizzy:

[SDK^]

I'm just thinking out loud :) I can't see why Canon would continue to launch a tweaked 10D rather than a real upgrade.
The 20D and 30D are not tweaked 10D's - even the 20D is significantly different to the 10D.
I think in general people expect too much from the next camera upgrade, the 30D fixes are few grumbles with the 20D. What else do you really need ?!?!

[Warspite]

The 20D and 30D are not tweaked 10D's - even the 20D is significantly different to the 10D.
I think in general people expect too much from the next camera upgrade, the 30D fixes are few grumbles with the 20D. What else do you really need ?!?!

Maybe, but I think something that would be more a cut above the D200 (on paper atleast) is what people where hoping for. Whether thats right or not I dont know, but people are no doubt a bit spoilt with regards to what their expectations are of Canon, usually bringing out something groundbreaking, and then releasing something that TBH isnt that exciting is bound to get a subdued response.

[fingerz]

It's the same spec as the D200 but it's cheaper. There's not much more they could do at that price level. Perhaps up the megapixels but who cares? We've already establisjed that 8.2MP is fine. They could increase the buffer but then they might start to compete with the 1Dn.

All in all, I think this is the perfect release for Canon. It competes with Nikon, addresses some of the 20D's issues and doesn't **** off people who've invested in a 20D. Good work Canon, I say.

[Warspite]

True, so - anyone got one yet:)

Only joking, partially atleast, anyone put in a pre-order? Or are people waiting for reviews of the production model.

[fingerz]

Reckon waiting for reviews will be the best bet.

Is it a new sensor/chip? Or is it the same as the 20D's one (not that there's anything wrong with that - tried & tested etc)?

[Warspite]

Believe its the same Digic II as used in the 20D and 350D.

[shiato storm]

the 350D is - I believe - a different sensor to the 20/30D...

[SammyC]

350D is ever so slightly smaller than the 20D

[CT]

Perhaps we're being a bit harsh. If I was in the market for a first DSLR I'd go straight for the 30D with that spec. Because it doesn't exactly blow the 20D out of the water is no real reason to knock it - the improvements are valid useful ones. How many Nikon D70 owners feel a really pressing need to upgrade to the D200?

[Warspite]

Sorry - sensor, I was thinking processor (doh) - sensor is 8.2MP, and yes the 350D is an 8.2 but only has an effective 8MP. They do all use the same processor though.

[IanC_UK]

If i was in the market for the best i could afford at the moment, and was choocing 20d and 30d price range (assuming Canon kit already) i would definitely spring for the 30D, but its not a worthwhile upgrade if you already have a 20D !

[SammyC]

It sounds as though most of it could be achieved in software too, i.e. a firmware update.

[shiato storm]

speaking as someone who hasn't got a dSLR then it seems quite a goot set up. certainly what the 20D should have been those years ago. again like the 1d..N its not an upgrade more an update. as far as I can tell there are only a few improvements; bigger lcd (canon standard), slightly bigger buffer, picture styles (canon standard) and in VF ISO... the rest could be done with a firmware update as mentioned. the mpix race looks to have ended - at least for the current line up. perhaps canon saw nikon's slight difficulties with a small sensor and held off on making anything more dense in all that pixel pitch stuff. the 30D is quite impressive for what it is. basically a mini 1d..N - with notable bits missing of course but in essence very similar.
the down side? I tried a 20D and didn't like it, maybe I got a duff one but images were pretty naff 80% of the time, AF problem was a real let down, menu system I just didn't like, a long list you have to scroll through - I tried a 350D and its menu is very similar in design to the 1 series layout...so why change it for the mid-range? no idea but I don't like the list view, still a menu doesn't make the images at the end of the day. on the naff images; I was shooting raw and PP-ing to see if it was merely that 'raw softness' you get. alas no. again I compared like for like on a 350D and the 350 was much better image-wise. I returned the poor performing 20D with the hopes that the 'next one' will be significantly improved. again; alas no. well perhaps thats a little harsh - it maybe the tweeks make this camera functionally better but I wasn't over-joyed at the 20D, I have an open mind and I'm not adverse to trying it out if the improvements tweek the handling sufficiently. the 5D cashback is tempting and for sheer out-and-out 'I want one of those' the 1dmkIIN is certainly on the list. I think I'll wait to handle a 30D before making a descision...
pricewise - not happy its being listed as £1099 when in europe its clearly less - if they can give us a fair 5D cashback (300 euros to £200) then why not camera price?

[Steve]

Spot metering is not going to be added to a 20D by any firmware upgrade and is seen as a major upgrade by many...so the statement above is incorrect.

I hope you can see where I am coming from with this, it is not a personal attack just an observation of a regularly seen trait. Your difficulties with processing an image from a 20D to look sharp could be down to many things especially as you are a non DSLR owner, have no experience in the processing of raw files and there are many 1000's of other 20D owners that have not got your problem. Sure it could be that you had a "bad one" but it is more likely that you were not skilled enough at the time of using it to be in a position to get the best possible results. The 350D is set up completely differently to compensate for that as it is aimed at the people stepping up from “point and shoots” and so processes the files with different algorithms and settings to aid the transition. The 20D is set up to allow a lot more user input and therefore is nowhere near as forgiving in default mode. Out of the box the 350 will give better results but in the hands of someone who knows their way around it, the 20 files will simply come to life. Its not one of the best selling cameras by chance ;)

[CriPPle]

speaking as someone who hasn't got a dSLR then it seems quite a goot set up. certainly what the 20D should have been those years ago. again like the 1d..N its not an upgrade more an update. as far as I can tell there are only a few improvements; bigger lcd (canon standard), slightly bigger buffer, picture styles (canon standard) and in VF ISO... the rest could be done with a firmware update as mentioned. the mpix race looks to have ended - at least for the current line up. perhaps canon saw nikon's slight difficulties with a small sensor and held off on making anything more dense in all that pixel pitch stuff. the 30D is quite impressive for what it is. basically a mini 1d..N - with notable bits missing of course but in essence very similar.
the down side? I tried a 20D and didn't like it, maybe I got a duff one but images were pretty naff 80% of the time, AF problem was a real let down, menu system I just didn't like, a long list you have to scroll through - I tried a 350D and its menu is very similar in design to the 1 series layout...so why change it for the mid-range? no idea but I don't like the list view, still a menu doesn't make the images at the end of the day. on the naff images; I was shooting raw and PP-ing to see if it was merely that 'raw softness' you get. alas no. again I compared like for like on a 350D and the 350 was much better image-wise. I returned the poor performing 20D with the hopes that the 'next one' will be significantly improved. again; alas no. well perhaps thats a little harsh - it maybe the tweeks make this camera functionally better but I wasn't over-joyed at the 20D, I have an open mind and I'm not adverse to trying it out if the improvements tweek the handling sufficiently. the 5D cashback is tempting and for sheer out-and-out 'I want one of those' the 1dmkIIN is certainly on the list. I think I'll wait to handle a 30D before making a descision...
pricewise - not happy its being listed as £1099 when in europe its clearly less - if they can give us a fair 5D cashback (300 euros to £200) then why not camera price?


Have to say I have had my 20D for about a year and a half and have never had any of the problems that you suggest with images being soft, mine has always been a good solid performer.

[Fangman]

It seems as if my 350D will fail in ten years if I take 14 frames a day! At my age it will be more than camera shake that is the problem!

[Steve]

Maybe but at least you will have had your monies worth ;)

[stepheno]

If I know I'm set right for a shot then my 20D always gives me sharp image. If it doesn't then I know I've done something wrong.

regards

[shiato storm]

Spot metering is not going to be added to a 20D by any firmware upgrade and is seen as a major upgrade by many...so the statement above is incorrect.

I hope you can see where I am coming from with this, it is not a personal attack just an observation of a regularly seen trait. Your difficulties with processing an image from a 20D to look sharp could be down to many things especially as you are a non DSLR owner, have no experience in the processing of raw files and there are many 1000's of other 20D owners that have not got your problem. Sure it could be that you had a "bad one" but it is more likely that you were not skilled enough at the time of using it to be in a position to get the best possible results. The 350D is set up completely differently to compensate for that as it is aimed at the people stepping up from “point and shoots” and so processes the files with different algorithms and settings to aid the transition. The 20D is set up to allow a lot more user input and therefore is nowhere near as forgiving in default mode. Out of the box the 350 will give better results but in the hands of someone who knows their way around it, the 20 files will simply come to life. Its not one of the best selling cameras by chance ;)

i understand what you're saying and agree in part but I shot raw in the 350D, I know it uses jpeg compression and all the rest of it but forgive me if I believe raw is pretty unprocessed from what ever camera you use, therefore handling seems to be the last thing to judge it, i'm not saying I'm the best in the world ever (hardly! thats laughable to assume that, no one's that egotistical, are they?! I have experience but also much to learn) but I made several A2 prints from 350D images, each one sharp as a pin and sold for quite decent money too. yes the 20D is a different animal but I used the same lenses in lots of situations (24-70, 17-35 and 100-400 plus a couple others I have which I normally use on a 1N with great success) and the results seemed in comparison unimpressive, even after a work-over in PS. I've no doubt its a great camera but I wasn't impressed that after a fair chunk of £ its performance left me wanting, thats all. if I was bothered with persevering I could have probably got it all resolved but that would have taken ages since there were not any more 20D's in my area, tons of hassle and endless repeat explainations at every stage. life is too short. 30D, if canon's QC is up to standards then there'll be no probs.

[digitalfailure]

My 20D has only ever given me soft images when I've messed up with the shot, it's always been fantastic.

I can understand a new user feeling a little miffed when picking up a 20 d and comparing jpegs against those from a much cheaper P+S though, the 20D does little to the images unless the parameters are set to allow it as the camera is expected to be used by people who'll process their images where as the P+S cameras tend to brighten and sharpen the images for the wow factor.

Still, i'll keep hold of my 20 than you :whistle2:

[matty]

its a huge leap going from ready to print point/shoots to dslr, i fell over at that hurdle too!

[shiato storm]

i agree, p+s are totally differnt. although not to be discounted, some can do some impressive things. they do over sat,contrast and sharpen but if you wack it all down and adjust levels in PS later you can get some pretty handy results. no match for a dSLR though... :)

[Glen]

I found this price this morning for the 30d

Body only £999

http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/ViewProdDetails.asp?prod_code=PON06B000020&Prod_name=Canon%20EOS%2030D%20body

With lens £1099

http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/ViewProdDetails.asp?prod_code=PON06B000021&Prod_name=Canon%20EOS%2030D%20&%2018-55mm%20EF%2011

[Warspite]

I found this price this morning for the 30d

Body only £999

http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/ViewProdDetails.asp?prod_code=PON06B000020&Prod_name=Canon%20EOS%2030D%20body

With lens £1099

http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/ViewProdDetails.asp?prod_code=PON06B000021&Prod_name=Canon%20EOS%2030D%20&%2018-55mm%20EF%2011

So any idea of a release date - or is it TBA?

OK found it:
Mid March for worldwide release.

[shiato storm]

i've heard early march release...could be wrong though.

[petemc]

The 20D and 30D are not tweaked 10D's - even the 20D is significantly different to the 10D.
I think in general people expect too much from the next camera upgrade, the 30D fixes are few grumbles with the 20D. What else do you really need ?!?!

Hmm. For me the 20D has a faster startup time, saves files to the memory card quicker and has better noise handling. Then the 30D has spot metering and er the file names thing. When the 20D arrived a lot of people didn't see the need to upgrade. I'm seeing the same with the 30D.

[Glen]

Spoke to a Canon guy today at the Focus exhibit, he said release is within the next 2 weeks.

[SDK^]

Hmm. For me the 20D has a faster startup time, saves files to the memory card quicker and has better noise handling. Then the 30D has spot metering and er the file names thing. When the 20D arrived a lot of people didn't see the need to upgrade. I'm seeing the same with the 30D.
Also, apart from the obvious 2mp increase, other useful 20D features include


The 20D has true RAW + jpeg support. It can write two separate files to the flash card, one RAW and one JPEG. You can read the jpeg version without special software. The 10D embeds the jpeg in the raw file data so you need special software to extract the jpeg file.
ETTL II - distance data used to calulate Flash exposure
1/250 Flash Sync (10D is 1/200)
Autofocus on the 20D is faster and more accurate than on the 10D and works in lower light (More sensitive on lenses F2.8 and faster)
The built in pop-up flash is higher on the 20D so it clears more lenses and hoods (less chance of dark partial circles at the bottom of the frame).
The 20D supports EF-S lenses.
5fs vs 3fps, can be handy in some situations


Whilst the 30D isn't a giant leap from the 10D there are enough new features (imo) to make the upgrade worthwhile (*)

*My guess is that Canon will bring out a replacement for the 30D before the usual 18 month cycle so with that in mind, unless you need lower ISO noise at 800+ immediately then it's probably better waiting.

[petemc]

Hmmm those features do seem good. I guess to me it just doesn't have something that makes me want to run out and buy it. Money being the other obvious issue :) Its always like new body, or new lens. I feel like the lens is still a better choice at the moment.

[Glen]

Found this if anyone interested -

http://www.justcanon.com/acatalog/Just_Canon_e_shop_Canon_Digital_SLR_3.html

[Warspite]

Seems quite tempting, especially as that includes VAT.

[shiato storm]

Found this if anyone interested -

http://www.justcanon.com/acatalog/Just_Canon_e_shop_Canon_Digital_SLR_3.html

beaten:
http://www.rgb-tech.co.uk/shop/index.php/name/Canon+EOS+30D+Digital+SLR/mode/product/product/574/cat/4

only £80 more than the 20D at current price, can't argue with that...

[mfwild13]

The 30D seems to be hitting the streets now so hopefully we can see prices starting to stabilise.
A few of the dealers seem to be throwing in a 2Gb Sandisk extreme as well as the 512Mb freebie from Canon.
Both Jessops in my town had them in stock on Saturday as kits with std lens - a snip at £1179 !!!!!

I still havent found anywhere cheaper than the earlier post in this thread yet. Anybody used rgb-tech by the way?

Also not seen any reviews posted as yet.

Mark

[CarlOgden]

On the Camera and lens kit, plus memory card, Park Cameras are slightly cheaper:-

http://www.parkcameras.com/canon/digitalcameras/canon_eos_30d.htm#prices

But are more expensive for just the body!

Carl.

[Glen]

Spoke to a guy at work who's father-in-law owns a shop near Nottingham:-

30d body only £829

30d with 18-55mm £888

30d with 17-85mm £1159

[mfwild13]

beaten:
http://www.rgb-tech.co.uk/shop/index.php/name/Canon+EOS+30D+Digital+SLR/mode/product/product/574/cat/4Ordered today at £829, should be here Friday morning. Thanks for the link shiato :thumb:

[CT]

I think that makes you our first 30D owner. You'll have to do a write-up! :thumb:

[SammyC]

WoooooOOOOOOOooooooo!
:)

[mfwild13]

I think that makes you our first 30D owner. You'll have to do a write-up! :thumb:
Me and my big mouth :D

[shiato storm]

Ordered today at £829, should be here Friday morning. Thanks for the link shiato :thumb:
you're welcome. glad to help out. I had one on order and could have got one in the first shipment but picked up something else instead (I couldn't wait!), well its a decent camear to complement the film one I have ;) :D