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Betty
17-06-2008, 16:09
Further to a comment in another thread, I think we all need a place to moan and rant and rave from time to time about anything NOT photography related. Another forum I frequent has a rant thread, and its really good for getting your feelings down in text, or if you just want to get something off your chest :) And if something is ongoing with any member, we can use this as a chance to get to know each other better, and to maybe offer support. Ill go first:

Work is pants at the moment, another member of staff has handed their notice in today in the bosses absence. The atmosphere is a bit electric at the moment, no one dares put a foot wrong.

And Ive just been handed a mountain of work!!!! Hey ho :D

DinoS
17-06-2008, 16:13
I don't have anything to rant about at the moment so hey ho.

MG TF 135
17-06-2008, 16:16
Work is great! Who am i kidding????

PsiFox
17-06-2008, 16:18
Rant rant rant.

Remarkable I feel happy and rant free:)

Jelster
17-06-2008, 16:22
My rant for the day......

What's the point of haveing 4 or 5 lanes on a motorway when everyone only uses the two on the right hand side ????? :bang:


And then they get arsey if I pass them while in lane 1, even though I'm going under 70mph and I've been there for the last mile or so...... Double :bang:

We drive on the LEFT, not in the middle, or on the right. If you're worried you may not be able to get back into an overtaking lane then you shouldn't be driving !

Now Jelster, deep breath and relax..............


Steve

EdinburghGary
17-06-2008, 16:40
My rant for the day......

What's the point of haveing 4 or 5 lanes on a motorway when everyone only uses the two on the right hand side ????? :bang:


And then they get arsey if I pass them while in lane 1, even though I'm going under 70mph and I've been there for the last mile or so...... Double :bang:

We drive on the LEFT, not in the middle, or on the right. If you're worried you may not be able to get back into an overtaking lane then you shouldn't be driving !

Now Jelster, deep breath and relax..............


Steve



Amen! I absolutely HATE people who abuse the overtaking lane, what choice do you have but to wait though. Up their backside, or undertake? I HATE THEM!!!!!!! :bang:

magpieant
17-06-2008, 17:13
Here's my rant for the day ..... bloody trains!

Here's the scenario ...

Need to be in Newcastle this weekend for a wedding on Friday & Sunday (going as guest not the photographer!). Babs (my wife) is taking our son up tomorrow so he can see Gran & Grandad. She's taking the car - which leaves me needing a way to get up to Newcastle.

Sooooo .... I start considering my options ..... A post on here asking anyone to carshare proves no use. That leaves boats, planes, trains buses & foot.

I don't live near a port. Boats are out. Flying is too expensive. I've got bad knees. That leaves 2 options - train or bus.

A first glance at the train fares reveals t will cost me £45.80. B**ger that! Looking at the coach - £17. However, travelling on the coach also means taking ages and not being able to have a walk along or sneak into first class ;) . You also don't get to play the "I wonder what would happen if we pull the emergency brake" game !

I then think about the journey - Manchester to Newcastle. Wonder if it will be cheaper buying 2 tickets on the train ... Manchester - York and then York to Newcastle. Lo and behold, I can get the same train direct on 2 tickets (£31) than I could on one single ticket (£45.80). So I decide to get the train.

Head off to buy my tickets - only to be told by some jobsworth that he reckons he can find me an even cheaper ticket. I am able to use the internet (far better than he can use the ticketting system by the looks of it), and cannot find a cheaper way of getting there. So after 20mins of him looking - he eventually comes up with my original plan! I buy the tickets.

Walking away from the station I check the tickets ..... he's only gone and put the bloody wrong date on there!!! So it's back to the end of the queue for a 20min wait to exchange my tickets!!!!

Car tax, road tax, congestion charges, petrol prices - all meant to put us off using our cars. But when we get ripped off on public transport and have to deal with know it all incompetents, I'd happily burn the ozone layer if it means quicker, hassle free journies (sorry eco-warriors!).

Rant over!

Anth.

Betty
17-06-2008, 17:18
Anth, I totally agree. Sodding car tax, insurance, congestion charges and all that crap, and then public transport is bloody useless and just as expensive?

/groan

marky_h
17-06-2008, 19:11
Why the hell do we have to put up with more turgid, moribund rubbish from Coldplay? I don't believe that one man can have that much angst!

Techno-Geek
17-06-2008, 19:12
Everyone listen to this, i think you will be amazed




No rants from me today :D

Tony

Xplosion
17-06-2008, 19:50
work was an absolute pain today!! can't believe people, it seems like all of them are more then willing to drop you into **** even if its thier fault, its like thiers no honour left in the world!! :bang:

AliB
17-06-2008, 20:57
Deep breath!
Up at 6am, train from Manchester to Milton keynes, Ok got to the office on time (for once) full day of meetings and train home is running 15 mins late. Ok, I can handle 15 mins, not the end of the world. Finally get home at near 8pm only to find that the whippet had ripped her side open in the garden. Thankfully resourceful t'other half made it to the vets by closing time so the bill was only £50 rather than the £250 that out of hours would entail. Now I have an unhappy whippet with a bucket on it's head and a puppy that wants to play with a whippet with a bucket on it's head.

It's 10pm, I've had no dinner and I need a bath.
Night all :)

Betty
17-06-2008, 21:00
I am sorry, I laughed at that :lol:

I am going straight to hell :lol:

Techno-Geek
17-06-2008, 21:06
Ali good to hear that the whippet is okay now :thumbs:

Betty = Evil :runaway:

:lol:

Mojo Jojo
17-06-2008, 21:49
Ooooo i like the look of this thread!

RANT: I'm working in a supermarket on a checkout to raise the funds for a new camera. and u know what grinds my gears? CUSTOMERS.
Not all of them, just the following species. You Know Who You Are

1. People who talk on thier phones whilst i'm serving them - so rude!
2. People who wear sunglasses when they come to the till. - its creepy and its indoors! sheeez its sainsburys not the south of france.
3. People who put there money/cards in their mouth before handing it to me. Its just gross. i know you have no free hands but really?
4. People who dont talk at all.
5. People who just hold their money out to you before you have finished scanning.
6. People who ask you to pack for them, then unpack everything straight away (usually tutting) I'm doing it as i've been taught people!
7. When i'm in the ciggerette kiosk - i dont know all the old names for cigs, i dont smoke. dont tut at me when i dont know what the hell you mean.
8. People who expect me to know when stuff will be in stock. I'M NOT A MACHINE. and when i say 'i can find out for you?' they go no.. its ok...
9. Also people who ask me, do you know if the petrol station has any fuel? WELL U JUST DROVE PAST IT!

I realise that some of these are entirely irrelevent, but i've just worked an 8 hr shift (2-10) and i'm hormonal!!!

Rant Over.

Phew! xxxxxxxx

Betty
17-06-2008, 21:50
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan breathe :D

Feel free to come back when you have more to rant about :lol:

Mojo Jojo
17-06-2008, 21:52
that actually made me feel better. Betty i salute you!
x

Betty
17-06-2008, 21:57
:lol: :notworthy:

Trust me, always helps to have a good old fashioned moan! Of course, in the olden days, people used to do it face to face! None of this tinternet malarky :D

Techno-Geek
17-06-2008, 21:58
:lol: :notworthy:

Trust me, always help to have a good old fashioned moan! Of course, in the olden days, people used to do it face to face! None of this tinternet malarky :D

I used to love that, now it is all PC and you have to say things within the "lines" :lol:

mattyh
17-06-2008, 22:05
mojo jojo... did you know there are only 2 types of people that wear sunglasses indoors?

the blind, and ar*****es :D

OR

rockstars and idiots :D

Whichever you prefer :lol:

Mojo Jojo
17-06-2008, 22:32
lol trust me these customers the other day werent blind. just annoying.


i love a good rockstar... ;)

xx

Galaxy66
17-06-2008, 22:35
I hate those mirrored sunglasses that allow the wearers to conceal where they are looking, I find it intimidating when, for instance, you are outside having a coffee somewhere and someone on another table facing you is wearing them.

Matt Sayle
17-06-2008, 22:37
I dont like the bikers who have tinted visors on there helmets!!

Mojo Jojo
17-06-2008, 22:38
lol lets just sum it up as people who dont show thier eyes..

Matt Sayle
17-06-2008, 22:39
Apart from blind people :)

Galaxy66
17-06-2008, 22:44
Boy racers driving in a continuous loop around town,front windows wound down in all weather conditions, disturbing everybody with their massive subwoofers, sad little brain deficient nobodies desperately trying to get noticed.:annoyed:

Rant over:)

EdinburghGary
17-06-2008, 23:03
Ooooo i like the look of this thread!

RANT: I'm working in a supermarket on a checkout to raise the funds for a new camera. and u know what grinds my gears? CUSTOMERS.
Not all of them, just the following species. You Know Who You Are

1. People who talk on thier phones whilst i'm serving them - so rude!
2. People who wear sunglasses when they come to the till. - its creepy and its indoors! sheeez its sainsburys not the south of france.
3. People who put there money/cards in their mouth before handing it to me. Its just gross. i know you have no free hands but really?
4. People who dont talk at all.
5. People who just hold their money out to you before you have finished scanning.
6. People who ask you to pack for them, then unpack everything straight away (usually tutting) I'm doing it as i've been taught people!
7. When i'm in the ciggerette kiosk - i dont know all the old names for cigs, i dont smoke. dont tut at me when i dont know what the hell you mean.
8. People who expect me to know when stuff will be in stock. I'M NOT A MACHINE. and when i say 'i can find out for you?' they go no.. its ok...
9. Also people who ask me, do you know if the petrol station has any fuel? WELL U JUST DROVE PAST IT!

I realise that some of these are entirely irrelevent, but i've just worked an 8 hr shift (2-10) and i'm hormonal!!!

Rant Over.

Phew! xxxxxxxx



I can't open the bags!!! Would you hate me for it? :D

EdinburghGary
17-06-2008, 23:04
I hate those mirrored sunglasses that allow the wearers to conceal where they are looking, I find it intimidating when, for instance, you are outside having a coffee somewhere and someone on another table facing you is wearing them.

I have regular coffees with a guy who wears them, gets on my goat.

EdinburghGary
17-06-2008, 23:04
Traffic Wardens need shot.

Galaxy66
17-06-2008, 23:14
Traffic Wardens need shot.
Have you had a few tickets Gary to wish capital punishment on them?.

engeew
17-06-2008, 23:17
OK I'll play.

<rant>

Last Friday a delivery van drove into my daughter's car which now appears to be "beyond economical repair" or as it seems to be translated "I'll be seriously out of pocket repairing or replacing it".

Noticed this morning when I got to work that my headlight is not working. Due to the sense of humour of Seat designers, you can't just put a new bulb in there unless you have hands so small that they would not be able to pick up the bulb! So another trip to the service centre (who relieved me of £285 last week for a service) so that they can charge me another £38 to change the bulb. "Sorry mate, it costs that much for the labour needed to take it apart and put it together again." :bang:

Then.. when I got home from work I found that our fridge had turned itself into the kitchen equivalent of a night storage heater which meant that the kitchen was cosy but the food inside was probably not going to be welcome on any plate of mine! Now got to spend time researching cheap fridges on the interweb!

</rant>

@mojo jojo - in our Sainsbury's the lady on the cig counter always makes a point of telling the school kids buying their sweets that "it is polite to say thank you when you get your change and does not cost anything"! She has a very loud voice for this and it always makes me smile when I see the little ingrates squirming (but does that make me a bad person?! ;))

@Betty - thanks for starting this thread - I feel a bit better now.

Cheers,

Nigel

EdinburghGary
17-06-2008, 23:22
Have you had a few tickets Gary to wish capital punishment on them?.


I have had 14 since passing my test, 9 months ago.

Bar stewards.

G.

EdinburghGary
17-06-2008, 23:25
Oh and I have one NOW which has gone to the £60 level. I HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE this government. :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

Galaxy66
17-06-2008, 23:46
I have had 14 since passing my test, 9 months ago.

Bar stewards.

G.
I have only had two since passing my test 38 years ago:lol:

Techno-Geek
18-06-2008, 00:05
I won't be getting any when i am on the road, Off street parking when i am at home

Will park between the white lines in parking areas :D

Mojo Jojo
18-06-2008, 00:13
lol gary, no i dont hate people who cant open the bags.... u cant help being men :p (women are loads better at it.. true story)

aaaaaaaand nigel, i love it when the kids are crying and i just say whats up? to them, it makes them go really quiet. :D hehehe.

xxxxxx

EdinburghGary
18-06-2008, 00:25
OK - I have about 6 hours of work to do NOW, I have loads of office stuff requiring IMMEDIATE attention in the morning and im tired. :bang:

Techno-Geek
18-06-2008, 00:26
lol gary, no i dont hate people who cant open the bags.... u cant help being men :p (women are loads better at it.. true story)


Yeah i would have to agree with that, they seem to love shopping more aswell :lol:

With out bank cards and pin in there jackets :lol:

Graelwyn
18-06-2008, 00:35
Being a woman is pants at times...especially 5 days every month.

EdinburghGary
18-06-2008, 04:49
Really....need...sleeep

Techno-Geek
18-06-2008, 09:17
Dog woke me up then walked in my bedroom to think that the front of my house got pulled off because it was so blinking cold

RANT over

:lol:

tigerimages
18-06-2008, 10:34
I have had 14 since passing my test, 9 months ago.

Bar stewards.

G.Well it's your own bloody fault then isn't it and you've got the cheek to blame the traffic wardens?

I bet you park in disabled spaces too :thumbsdown:

tigerimages
18-06-2008, 10:35
lol gary, no i dont hate people who cant open the bags.... u cant help being men :p (women are loads better at it.. true story)
I find it's best to just wet your first finger and thumb and then they come apart easily but Ialways try to use as few as possible.

Mojo Jojo
18-06-2008, 10:41
I find it's best to just wet your first finger and thumb and then they come apart easily but Ialways try to use as few as possible.

Yeah but we arent allowed to do that lol. As a cashier i mean lol.
x

MikeeB
18-06-2008, 11:31
I hate speed camera vans :( And the coppers that try and hide them behind parked cars.

Techno-Geek
18-06-2008, 11:37
I hate speed camera vans :( And the coppers that try and hide them behind parked cars.

Well you should not be speeding :nono: :lol:

Slow down and give them a nice wave when you past them, they will hate that

Galaxy66
18-06-2008, 11:51
Yeah but we arent allowed to do that lol. As a cashier i mean lol.
x

I have stopped a checkout girl doing exactly that!!.

EdinburghGary
18-06-2008, 11:52
Well it's your own bloody fault then isn't it and you've got the cheek to blame the traffic wardens?

I bet you park in disabled spaces too :thumbsdown:


Yup, my fault. And yup, if I see 40 disabled spaces with no one parked in one, I will use one. Big deal.

I also donate to charity, and buy stuff for a local hospital ward. Big deal.

Swings and roundabouts :)

Gary.

EdinburghGary
18-06-2008, 11:53
I find it's best to just wet your first finger and thumb and then they come apart easily but Ialways try to use as few as possible.

I take as many carrier bags as I can get away with, come in handy at home. Free dog poop bags ;)

http://www.cumberlandpointcampground.com/fishing_1_smiley.gif

Gary.

Mojo Jojo
18-06-2008, 12:03
arent u good gary! free nectar points for u!

EdinburghGary
18-06-2008, 12:13
arent u good gary! free nectar points for u!

:lol: I prefer Tesco points!

Aimee K
18-06-2008, 12:18
I need a work related rant too!!!

So today I have my assistant downstairs crying, because my boss is 'being mean'... which basically means she's probably not doing her job properly/fast enough/efficiently and he's had enough. My boss keeps slamming his door, and as I'm in the office next door, I feel like my ears are bleeding! We have a truck just about ready to leave for a conference, only nothing is on it yet. Another boss away and ringing me to do an animation, only I don't have any of the files to do the animation because they are on his computer, which is also away... Argh!

I've had to start taking Calms, just to get through the day! haha. AND I was here until 9.30 last night (I'm meant to finish at 5.30) comforting the assistant as she feels like she has too much work to do... she clearly hasn't seen my desk or my schedule for the next 2months!

Then there is the whole 'Jessops have stole my camera for 4 weeks' thing... You'll like this one... I took my camera in because my focus settings aren't working properly. No matter which setting it is on (single, dynamic or auto) it only focuses on the very top left corner. So I walk in and explain this to the rather old checkout man... he responds with 'well, single focus is only meant to focus on one area, so there is nothing wrong with it'. Yes, it is meant to focus on one area... but the top left EVERY time!? I think not! Silly man!


Oh the stress... Pass me some more calms please! haha

Flash In The Pan
18-06-2008, 12:26
Why do the UK "national" press refer to the "north" as being the area round Manchester (yesterday's Scottish edition of the Daily Mail, for example)?

Last time I looked at a map of the UK Manchester was quite far south.....:annoyed:

EdinburghGary
18-06-2008, 12:26
I need a work related rant too!!!

So today I have my assistant downstairs crying, because my boss is 'being mean'... which basically means she's probably not doing her job properly/fast enough/efficiently and he's had enough. My boss keeps slamming his door, and as I'm in the office next door, I feel like my ears are bleeding! We have a truck just about ready to leave for a conference, only nothing is on it yet. Another boss away and ringing me to do an animation, only I don't have any of the files to do the animation because they are on his computer, which is also away... Argh!

I've had to start taking Calms, just to get through the day! haha. AND I was here until 9.30 last night (I'm meant to finish at 5.30) comforting the assistant as she feels like she has too much work to do... she clearly hasn't seen my desk or my schedule for the next 2months!

Then there is the whole 'Jessops have stole my camera for 4 weeks' thing... You'll like this one... I took my camera in because my focus settings aren't working properly. No matter which setting it is on (single, dynamic or auto) it only focuses on the very top left corner. So I walk in and explain this to the rather old checkout man... he responds with 'well, single focus is only meant to focus on one area, so there is nothing wrong with it'. Yes, it is meant to focus on one area... but the top left EVERY time!? I think not! Silly man!


Oh the stress... Pass me some more calms please! haha



Sounds pretty awful :( Hows the job market in your field?

Gary.

Canon Bob
18-06-2008, 16:35
My turn....

Decided to treat my recently widowed father-in-law to a few days in France. He's never been abroad and never had a passport.

Out with the 5D and photo-shopped to size. Get my magistrate neighbour of 21 years who's seen him on his frequent visits to do the signing....application rejected...photo's too dark and magistrate doesn't know him well enough. 2 weeks wasted

Attempt #2
Take him to a booth that gives snaps "approved for passports" etc and send him home to get his doctor to sign the application. Photo's not acceptable and the doctor's endorsement not correct. Another 2 weeks wasted.

For the final attempt (if it's not too late) I'm going to dress him in a burka and hijab, change his name by deed poll to "Abdula Let Me'in" and see if I can find a non-corrupt MP to sign it.

I'd like to say "rant over" but I don't think that you've heard the end of this one.

Bob

EdinburghGary
18-06-2008, 16:40
I'd like to say "rant over" but I don't think that you've heard the end of this one.


Wow me neither!!!


:popcorn:

Techno-Geek
18-06-2008, 19:14
Right, this is my rant for the day

I got my wheels out this morning and went for a scoot to see if i could get some pictures and i see about 4 people staying looking down the stream. So as i got there i see a duck standing there with one foot in the air (They are all looking at it) I said to them "Has that just happend? how did it happen?" "They said "dunno" So i said like is one of them going to phone or even walk around to the local RSPB place to see if they could sort it. They all mumbled and moaned and walked off mumbling. I hate people like that, sorry but i do. If they couldn't help an animal that is in need. Then they couldn't help a human.

One of them must have had a car and could have at least drove it around there to see what they could do

I would have done it but i couldn't get to where it was, but i am sure they could have.

I so wanted to shout out what they was to them, grr they annoy the crap out of me

:Rant over (i hope)

Tony

Magnum
18-06-2008, 21:48
1. Pikey, young mums shopping where i work with out of control scrotes for children. 'DANNYYY, DANNNY COME EYYYA' or 'NO KAYLEIGH PUT THAT DOWN'. Control your bloody children.

2. Drivers. Now i am too young to drive, but a lot of drivers irritate me. The ones that drive so horribly slow when i want to cross the road and i have to wait for them to go past. The drivers who deserve to crash and get seriously hurt, who drive on the wrong side of the road at high speeds just to overtake another car. Please crash.

3. Chavs. I recently viewed the thread 'chav gets hurt haha' which led me to links on other chav related videos which really angered me. I recommend the thread above, and i would like to see a similar video for every chav scum, but with their neck under the concrete not just a leg. (view the video to see). I think chavs are the only evidence that supports abortion being legalised in some cases.

4. The bus company. I forgot my brothers oyster card today, so i had to walk home. I really hate walking.
You may say that i should just have my own bus pass. Yes i should, if the bus company actually sent it to me after i applied for it in february.

5. Polish newspapers being stocked in supermarkets?! Cmon now! At least enocourage them to learn english.

6. 'The Voice' - Black only newspaper. I'd like to see someone make a white only newspaper, imagine the uproar.
You may think it sounds pretty racist to slate a black newspaper, but i think that having a newspaper separately for black people just strengthens the racial divide in society. I want to see people completely integrate and not be seen by colour. There really seems to be a divide, and everyone is responsible for it.

/rants


I'm such an old man sometimes. But i'm in a happy mood now. I have a lot to look forward to. Oooh here comes another.

7. Teenagers who 'hate' their life. I'm fed up of hearing how some teenagers hate their lives. They do not appreciate how easy things are for them. I know of one or two people who have very hard situations, and they do not complain about it at all. Then theres the others who are spoilt and 'depressed' with their lives.
Enjoy life, this isn't a hard time. I hardly see school and exam stress as a big commitment.


:)

Matt Sayle
18-06-2008, 21:52
I hate speed camera vans :( And the coppers that try and hide them behind parked cars.

Do what them Aussies did. A group of them pulled over by the speed camera van. Whilst two spoke to the copper one of the robbed the number plate off the van then went blasting past at very high speed!!!

Splog
18-06-2008, 22:42
Do what them Aussies did. A group of them pulled over by the speed camera van. Whilst two spoke to the copper one of the robbed the number plate off the van then went blasting past at very high speed!!!


:lol::lol::lol:

Mojo Jojo
18-06-2008, 22:52
rant. i always burn my toast.

Matt Sayle
18-06-2008, 22:54
rant. i always burn my toast.

answer. Turn down the temp of your toaster

Techno-Geek
18-06-2008, 23:03
answer. Turn down the temp of your toaster

A man given a women advise on what to do in the kitchen, careful mate :lol:

Matt Sayle
19-06-2008, 09:38
A man given a women advise on what to do in the kitchen, careful mate :lol:

:lol:

EdinburghGary
19-06-2008, 10:27
Edited

Matt Sayle
19-06-2008, 10:36
I hate idiots who think they are sooo clever in there bright orange lotus elise's

:exit: :lol:

EdinburghGary
19-06-2008, 10:40
I hate idiots who think they are sooo clever in there bright orange lotus elise's

:exit: :lol:

Oi you :D

You need to come for a spin, will fall in love!


(With the car ;))

Matt Sayle
19-06-2008, 10:42
Oi you :D

You need to come for a spin, will will fall in love!


(With the car ;))

I have been for a spin in a Exige so trust me I am already in love!!!

EdinburghGary
19-06-2008, 10:43
I have been for a spin in a Exige so trust me I am already in love!!!

I have the R model of the Elise, was the fastest until the 08 Supercharged Elise came out. I want one :(

Gary.

Matt Sayle
19-06-2008, 10:45
I have the R model of the Elise, was the fastest until the 08 Supercharged Elise came out. I want one :(

Gary.

:D You can get a Audi TT engine convertion for the Elise :eek: And a VTec one!!

Mojo Jojo
19-06-2008, 10:59
rant! the rant thread is turning into boys talking about cars:nono:

hehe ;)
x

Dino f
19-06-2008, 11:03
I personally dont like people putting links to their photos when replying in a thread, why not just put the pictures up.
Dean:)

Aimee K
19-06-2008, 11:12
Sounds pretty awful :( Hows the job market in your field?

Gary.

Just about to go through a big recession.... not suprising with some of the planks working in the industry! lol.

Ah well, when it's good it's really good... but when it's bad...! :help:

Techno-Geek
19-06-2008, 11:36
Edited

Same HEHEHEHEHEHEHE

I don't like it when you cook sausages and forget to turn them over and they are all burnt on one side and not cooked on the other

:lol:

Dino f
19-06-2008, 14:59
People keep reading my name as in Dinosaur, its pronounce Deano:lol:, named after Dino Zoff the great Italian goalkeeper.
Dean:)

EdinburghGary
19-06-2008, 15:01
People keep reading my name as in Dinosaur, its pronounce Deano:lol:, named after Dino Zoff the great Italian goalkeeper.
Dean:)



But your username is Dino ;)

Dino f
19-06-2008, 15:05
:lol: wondered if you'd see that:lol:

Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnoooooooooooooo:)

Flash In The Pan
19-06-2008, 15:06
People keep reading my name as in Dinosaur, its pronounce Deano:lol:, named after Dino Zoff the great Italian goalkeeper.
Dean:)

I thought you were named after....

http://muttnews.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/210045036_5134cc800d_m.jpg

younger members with no idea who/what that is click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_(The_Flintstones))

Dino f
19-06-2008, 15:11
Humphhhh.
Any chance of the kind mods changing my thingamajig from Forum Regular to Pronounced Deano:lol:
Dean

Davec223
19-06-2008, 15:15
People who over take me at 5.30am doing mach 3 when I am already doing the speed limit. If they need to drive that fast to get somewhere on time they need to leave earlier. ( I must point out that it is the same few cars most mornings)

EdinburghGary
19-06-2008, 15:23
People who over take me at 5.30am doing mach 3 when I am already doing the speed limit. If they need to drive that fast to get somewhere on time they need to leave earlier. ( I must point out that it is the same few cars most mornings)

:razz:

;)

Grahame
19-06-2008, 15:27
People who over take me at 5.30am doing mach 3 when I am already doing the speed limit. If they need to drive that fast to get somewhere on time they need to leave earlier. ( I must point out that it is the same few cars most mornings)

Sorry Dave, I will slow down and wave next time :nuts::suspect:

Davec223
19-06-2008, 15:27
:razz:

;)

It wasn't aimed at you Gary. BUT if the cap fits wear it.:D

Flash In The Pan
19-06-2008, 15:36
Humphhhh.
Any chance of the kind mods changing my thingamajig from Forum Regular to Pronounced Fred:lol:
Dean

:naughty::naughty::naughty:

EdinburghGary
19-06-2008, 15:40
It wasn't aimed at you Gary. BUT if the cap fits wear it.:D



It fits, and I have them in a huge variety of sizes and colours....

What kind of road are we talking?

Gary.

Betty
19-06-2008, 15:58
You miserable sods! I am away for one day and the thread is already on 3 pages?!?!

For shame :D:D

EdinburghGary
19-06-2008, 16:05
Hey goofy!

Betty
19-06-2008, 16:06
Oh god, did I get a new nickname when I was away too? :lol:

EdinburghGary
19-06-2008, 16:08
Oh god, did I get a new nickname when I was away too? :lol:

:)

EdinburghGary
19-06-2008, 17:07
Just got in from the most INFURIATING drive of my life.

Stuck in Traffic with a turn left junction. Bus stop on the road you turn on to, about 10 yards down from the junction. Light goes green as bus stops to let people on. Idiot 4 cars in front refuses to budge. In my opinion, plenty space for him to pull in behind.

Same thing happens 3 times before I let rip with the horn. he just will not budge!!! :bang:

Then, 10 min later, I am half way home. Car is indicating right, so I pull into the left lane (Like everyone does) instead of stopping and waiting. Guy in front of me pulls HALF into the left lane, and slams breaks almost to a stop!!! He then looks at me and smiles, and goes nice and slow, with two wheels in the bus lane, and the rest of his car in the right lane. A bus comes, he moves fully into the right lane, waits on bus to pass, places half his car into the bus lane again.

WHERE THE HELL DO THESE PEOPLE COME FROM :bang:

The guy at the lights was just stupid. The chap with half his car in the bus lane? A brain dead monkey, absolute IDIOT :bang: :bang: :bang:

Gary.

Betty
19-06-2008, 17:10
Bunch of tits.

whitewash
19-06-2008, 17:54
Why the hell do we have to put up with more turgid, moribund rubbish from Coldplay? I don't believe that one man can have that much angst!


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!!!!!


after his last album chris martin said he would not be releasing another album until hes created the best album ever, and then he returns with this *****......

Davec223
19-06-2008, 19:15
It fits, and I have them in a huge variety of sizes and colours....

What kind of road are we talking?

Gary.

:lol:
As for the road its just an A road through the new forest, I know that most people will say that its ok but blind corners and hidden dips that I have seen herds of deer cross on more than one occasion. and this happened on it a few weeks ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1895735/Three-police-cars-crash-chasing-stolen-Bentley.html

Betty
19-06-2008, 19:17
Oh and by the way, after a brilliant night out last night, we got to bed late, and the total ******* in the room above us thought it was a good idea to walk around in fricking iron boots until 2am, and then started up again at 5am! Combined with dustbin lorries outside and a snoring bloke, Betty got very little sleep :( AND had to drive home from Manchester in a hot car with no air con :(:(

EdinburghGary
19-06-2008, 20:47
:lol:
As for the road its just an A road through the new forest, I know that most people will say that its ok but blind corners and hidden dips that I have seen herds of deer cross on more than one occasion. and this happened on it a few weeks ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1895735/Three-police-cars-crash-chasing-stolen-Bentley.html

Fair call then, no overtaking on corners!

On the straights, well if its straight and clear, let them be.

Gary.

Matt Sayle
19-06-2008, 22:47
Why are the people who host channels like bid-up TV complete bellends?

Techno-Geek
20-06-2008, 11:17
Because they want to get as much money out of you as they can

"Ring ring, Ring ring"

"Hello please hold"

"Hello please hold"

:lol:

specialman
20-06-2008, 11:21
I'm fed up with reading posts on TP and having the scroll through egotistical, opinionated claptrap from know-it-alls who seem to never have time for anyone else's opinions. The point of the original post is all too often lost when said know-it-alls start to argue the finer points of a fart when someone inadvertantly uses the wrong terminology or just says something they think is wrong.

Forums are great, freedom of speech is great but now and then I really do wish people who think they know it all (but rarely do) would just shut up and let other people get involved.

Betty
20-06-2008, 11:22
:agree:

Techno-Geek
20-06-2008, 11:29
SP - I don't do that do i? :thinking: :lol:

specialman
20-06-2008, 11:37
SP - I don't do that do i? :thinking: :lol:

The key suspects shall remain nameless...


... for now!!!

Techno-Geek
20-06-2008, 11:41
:lol:

I don't think i do it anyway

birdy961
20-06-2008, 11:56
RANT ON


Firkin company internal mail, waiting for a my new lens, RMSD deliver it on Tuesday, hunt high and low for it, no sign of it anywhere. Go to the warehouse today to look for it myself, walk into returns, see cage, open cage, top box is my parcel clearly labelled for my attention
How firkin difficult is it to do your bloody job properly you Monkey http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/0002018E.gif (http://www.sweetim.com/s.asp?im=gen&ref=10)

RANT OFF

EdinburghGary
20-06-2008, 13:10
I'm fed up with reading posts on TP and having the scroll through egotistical, opinionated claptrap from know-it-alls who seem to never have time for anyone else's opinions. The point of the original post is all too often lost when said know-it-alls start to argue the finer points of a fart when someone inadvertantly uses the wrong terminology or just says something they think is wrong.

Forums are great, freedom of speech is great but now and then I really do wish people who think they know it all (but rarely do) would just shut up and let other people get involved.



http://gorlackers.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/im-with-stupid-2.jpg

;)

Betty
20-06-2008, 13:56
I LOVE Club Penguin :D:D:D:D

MikeeB
20-06-2008, 20:49
Well you should not be speeding :nono: :lol:

Slow down and give them a nice wave when you past them, they will hate that

I'm a very careful driver usually but on a wide empty road on the outside of town where the limit was once 40 and coming round a blind corner, they know exactly how to get you :( no warning signs either.

Do what them Aussies did. A group of them pulled over by the speed camera van. Whilst two spoke to the copper one of the robbed the number plate off the van then went blasting past at very high speed!!!

Haha I was very tempted to do something to the van after I knew I had been caught, though stealing its plates wasn't close :D

Graelwyn
21-06-2008, 14:20
For the most part, I dislike the human race.
Every day, you hear about the terrible things people will do through greed, jealousy and pure malice and each time I read, I feel justified in feeling that a large proportion of people are simply here to fill the space. I despise that a large proportion of people still tiptoe around anyone they view as 'different'. Either that, or they judge them and treat them as if they are some kind of freak, rather than another person with feelings. I have had that most of my life, simply because I react differently, show my emotions differently and speak my mind.

I learnt sometime ago, that unless you say what people want to hear, you are out. And if you indicate in the slightest that you have problems, you become a 'whiner' or an 'attention seeker' or something slightly distasteful. Most people accept the social rule that if someone asks how you are, you must reply with 'oh, I am great' or 'I am fine', regardless of whether it is the truth or not.

I came to the conclusion long ago, that anyone who reacts negatively to my honesty about who I am, is not worth my bothering with to begin with. So yeah my rant is about the way a lot of society judges those who are different and who do not fit into what is defined as 'normal'.

Betty
30-06-2008, 09:02
If you're going to send an email round operating a clean desk policy, then at least have the decency to leave MY desk in a tidy state when I have a day off, for the love of GOD :bang::bang:

mrgubby
30-06-2008, 10:50
/Rant On/

What really, really, really annoys me on this forum is people who post images with the EXIF information stripped out.

If I can't see the settings used how the **** am I going to copy them & improve my own shots :rules:

/Rant Off/


not much of a rant but it is a nice sunny day & I've got the house to myself :clap:

Aimee K
30-06-2008, 20:34
I need another rant... this one is really bugging me and maybe someone could give me some advice once my rant is over!?

So... my sister got married over the weekend (yey sis!) lovely day, perfect in fact. Everything runs smooth, everyone was happy, the bride and groom looked stunning... And then we have the photographer!!!!!!!!!

Firstly he SHOUTS at my sister for not understanding his instructions on where to put her arm or follow his instructions (I know she's good at taking direction as I regularly use her as one of my models, he was just S**T at giving them), then he actually called one of the wedding guest cheap and trashy to her face (she wanted a garter shot of my sister), and then didn't even bother to take some of the standard shots like my sis with just my mum or dad, or even friends or the whole wedding party!

She paid over £1250 for him alone, so am I being unreasonable by being really angry??? Grrrrrrrr............

Betty
30-06-2008, 21:11
Erm, no you're not!!!! How unprofessional!!!! :eek:

fletch5
30-06-2008, 21:42
make sure she doesnt recommend him:thumbs:

Techno-Geek
01-07-2008, 15:26
I have not got any feedback from the man at the studio :(

Starting to really doubt this :(

:bang:

:lol: Tony

Aimee K
01-07-2008, 16:43
make sure she doesnt recommend him:thumbs:

I'm making very sure of that!

kelack
01-07-2008, 16:53
3 month wait at least on NHS for the op to help with pain management in my leg so I use the private healthcare that I pay monthly (and not cheap). Insurance company this morning tell me I'm no longer covered for my leg as it's incurable and chronic and no longer an acute ailment which is all they cover.

Can't go private on my own as far too expensive and really can't afford it, can't go with another private healthcare scheme as leg is not covered as it's a pre-exisiting condition.....had to cancel my op which was in a couple of weeks at private hospital and now have to put up with pain for another 3 months or more :(

Really really fed up

mrgubby
01-07-2008, 17:04
3
Really really fed up

Put on an Eastern european accent & walk into any hospital in Dover.


Fixed straight away :)






*not racist/anti foreigner, just fed up with people who haven't paid into the NHS jumping the queue


//edit//

being allowed to jump the queue

Betty
01-07-2008, 17:57
Bugger Kelly :(:(

Betty
09-07-2008, 07:54
This weather SUCKS!!!! :(

TheKrikkitWars
09-07-2008, 09:29
Sorry, i just felt the need to do this!

1. Pikey, young mums shopping where i work with out of control scrotes for children. 'DANNYYY, DANNNY COME EYYYA' or 'NO KAYLEIGH PUT THAT DOWN'. Control your bloody children.

Agreed

2. Drivers. Now i am too young to drive, but a lot of drivers irritate me. The ones that drive so horribly slow when i want to cross the road and i have to wait for them to go past. The drivers who deserve to crash and get seriously hurt, who drive on the wrong side of the road at high speeds just to overtake another car. Please crash.

I am a man, this means I have testicles, these in turn mean that it is not just enjoyable, but downright necessary for me to drive as fast as the car will take me sometimes.


3. Chavs. I recently viewed the thread 'chav gets hurt haha' which led me to links on other chav related videos which really angered me. I recommend the thread above, and i would like to see a similar video for every chav scum, but with their neck under the concrete not just a leg. (view the video to see). I think chavs are the only evidence that supports abortion being legalised in some cases.

Chillax, it's only going to be two more weeks till they've all stabbed each other to death after getting the idea in The Sun.


4. The bus company. I forgot my brothers oyster card today, so i had to walk home. I really hate walking.
You may say that i should just have my own bus pass. Yes i should, if the bus company actually sent it to me after i applied for it in february.

Yeah, you're just a lazy sod! Deal with it.


5. Polish newspapers being stocked in supermarkets?! Cmon now! At least enocourage them to learn english.

My favorite pub is a polish bar, they all speak good english, and even understand english law, but they want to feel at home sometimes, and I can't see a damn thing wrong with that.


6. 'The Voice' - Black only newspaper. I'd like to see someone make a white only newspaper, imagine the uproar.
You may think it sounds pretty racist to slate a black newspaper, but i think that having a newspaper separately for black people just strengthens the racial divide in society. I want to see people completely integrate and not be seen by colour. There really seems to be a divide, and everyone is responsible for it.

There is a white only newspaper, The Daily Mail! In all seriousness its not a race divide in the uk its a fiscal one, a friend of mine, is the son of a weathy business man who made a lot of money in oil, works as a computer progammer, has a private school accent, and reads the telegraph, he's also black with a huge afro (which comically he keeps pens and pencils in); yet a guy who was in my form was living on the bread line, and totally identified with the black subculture, had you spoken to him on the phone, you really wouldn't have thought he was white.


7. Teenagers who 'hate' their life. I'm fed up of hearing how some teenagers hate their lives. They do not appreciate how easy things are for them. I know of one or two people who have very hard situations, and they do not complain about it at all. Then theres the others who are spoilt and 'depressed' with their lives.
Enjoy life, this isn't a hard time. I hardly see school and exam stress as a big commitment.

I almost agree, but there is frequently much more to a situation that meets the eye, the ones who are spoilt are the ones I fully expect to be most unfulfilled and unstable, material goods often make a bad situation worse, having what you want when you want does eventually cause people to get seriously ****ed up...

TheKrikkitWars
09-07-2008, 09:39
I'm fed up with reading posts on TP and having the scroll through egotistical, opinionated claptrap from know-it-alls who seem to never have time for anyone else's opinions. The point of the original post is all too often lost when said know-it-alls start to argue the finer points of a fart when someone inadvertantly uses the wrong terminology or just says something they think is wrong.

http://kotaku.com/assets/resources/2008/02/xkcdwrongoninternet.jpg

This is the internet, It's full of pedants, geeks, and grues. You choose to come here.

birdy961
09-07-2008, 10:20
People who drive and think that indicators are a soddin optional extra, IDIOTS :bat:

EdinburghGary
09-07-2008, 10:30
I almost agree, but there is frequently much more to a situation that meets the eye, the ones who are spoilt are the ones I fully expect to be most unfulfilled and unstable, material goods often make a bad situation worse, having what you want when you want does eventually cause people to get seriously ****ed up...

Amen bro.

mattyh
09-07-2008, 10:49
I'd just like to say thank you to the pratt that thought it was acceptable to just drive straight at me on a single track road, without slowing down or moving over onto the verge, leaving me to drive right off the road onto the verge!

This is in addition to my daily thanks to all the muppets on the A1(M) that don't know which lane they should be using, forget to use indicators, tailgate and generally drive like a bunch of monkeys!

Betty
09-07-2008, 10:53
I haven't been indicating lately cos mines broken :(

Ill be damned if I am sticking my arm out of the window though like a cyclist :lol:

birdy961
09-07-2008, 11:07
This is in addition to my daily thanks to all the muppets on the A1(M) that don't know which lane they should be using, forget to use indicators, tailgate and generally drive like a bunch of monkeys!


And there was me thinking all the muppets were on the A14 and M1:bang::lol:

mattyh
09-07-2008, 11:18
And there was me thinking all the muppets were on the A14 and M1:bang::lol:

No no, we have our fair share on the A1 too!

The A14 is a nightmare though, I use it between the A1 and Ipswich when I'm heading to Essex to my parents!

birdy961
09-07-2008, 11:24
No no, we have our fair share on the A1 too!

The A14 is a nightmare though, I use it between the A1 and Ipswich when I'm heading to Essex to my parents!


Best thing for the A14 would be to dig it up and move it somewhere into the Atlantic, hatefull road:razz:

Cobra
09-07-2008, 11:29
I haven't been indicating lately cos mines broken :(


Illegal :nono:


Ill be damned if I am sticking my arm out of the window though like a cyclist :lol:

legal :thumbs:
Pet hates:- people that won't indicate even if their indicators are busted :p

mattyh
09-07-2008, 12:06
Best thing for the A14 would be to dig it up and move it somewhere into the Atlantic, hatefull road:razz:

But that would mean I'd have to use the M11/A120 round Stansted... which is worse (marginally, and only because it's a single carriageway road)

birdy961
09-07-2008, 12:21
Hmmm, good point Matty.
Must learn to fly, be much easier http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_2_116.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxmk788YYGB)





http://www.smileycentral.com/sig.jsp?pc=ZSzeb096&pp=ZNxmk788YYGB (http://smiley.smileycentral.com/download/index.jhtml?partner=ZSzeb096_ZNxmk788YYGB&utm_id=7924)

sportysnaps
09-07-2008, 12:31
//rant

PEOPLE WHO DO THINGS SO SLOOOWLY, LIKE WALKING, DRIVING AND SHOPPING - GET A MOVE ON...

thanks

OH AND MAKE YOUR MIND UP WHEN YOU ARE AT THE FRONT OF THE QUEUE- YOU HAVE HAD LOTS OF TIME TO **** AROUND WITH YOUR PURSE WHEN WAITING IN LINE

thanks


GRRRR DRIVERS WHO DO 40MPH IN A 30 ZONE THEN 35MPH IN A 70MPH....

//RANTOFF

thanks i feel far better for that

marko400d
09-07-2008, 12:57
n*bh*ads who drive too close behind when i'm driving at the speed limit. at these times i think about inventing a harpoon gun with could pop out of the boot.

mattyh
09-07-2008, 13:00
Just test the brakes Mark :D

Hacker
09-07-2008, 13:01
OH AND MAKE YOUR MIND UP WHEN YOU ARE AT THE FRONT OF THE QUEUE- YOU HAVE HAD LOTS OF TIME TO **** AROUND WITH YOUR PURSE WHEN WAITING IN LINE




:thumbs:

whitewash
09-07-2008, 14:25
bloody tradesmen, you phone them up to get an estimate for some work i need doing and they either dont bother to pick up the phone, dont get back to you when they say they will, dont turn up when they say they will and just generally act annoying! all i want is a shower fitting and some gas work done.


its as if they dont want my business, but as they;re people that have been recommended to me as uposed to just playing the yellow pages lottery a there are so many dodgy folk about i prefer to work on recommendations!

whitewash
09-07-2008, 14:28
//rant

PEOPLE WHO DO THINGS SO SLOOOWLY, LIKE WALKING, DRIVING AND SHOPPING - GET A MOVE ON...


GRRRR DRIVERS WHO DO 40MPH IN A 30 ZONE THEN 35MPH IN A 70MPH....

//RANTOFF

thanks i feel far better for that


i agree with that.


why is it that the road system works reasonably well in this country, the majority of people can deal with a car doing upto 70mph even when the roads are tight and there are people around.....

but give people a shopping trolley and people just act like *****!

marko400d
09-07-2008, 14:38
Just test the brakes Mark :D

:lol: i shall try this if the harpoon idea doesnt work out

TheKrikkitWars
10-07-2008, 15:02
//rant

PEOPLE WHO DO THINGS SO SLOOOWLY, LIKE WALKING, DRIVING AND SHOPPING - GET A MOVE ON...

These work whilst walking at least:
1) Puff up your chest, draw your shoulders back, and stand up straight, look forwards vacantly into the middle distance, and stride as self importantly as you can totally ignoring those who are moving slowly, they suddenly move just in time.

2) again draw yourself to your full height and walk as fast as your legs carry you, slip pass people however you can looking like you're in a terrible rush, no one will say a word. (this can be particularly fun if you're on a cabled hands free kit and in a dark suit... people make the oddest assumptions)

Betty
10-07-2008, 15:03
I am fed up. No reason. Just one of those days I guess :(

mattyh
10-07-2008, 15:21
My turn again :D

Just spent the last 2 hours fixing a computer here, we bought a new one with Vista on, but with a "downgrade" CD to get it onto vista.. Used the CD, it removed all the vista files, and then crashed.

Tried it again, wouldn't install as it couldn't find the original files (that it'd deleted!!)

Sorted in the end, all running xp :D

fracster
13-07-2008, 09:30
What the hell is going on........:suspect:

The sky has changed form grey to blue and there is a strange yellowy thing in it?

Dino f
13-07-2008, 18:08
The Weather!!!!!Doin me crust in.
No RIAT!!!!!!Doin me crust in.
Work tomorrow!!!!!Doin me crust in.
:(

Dean:)

inaneredstripe
13-07-2008, 19:59
cretins who use phones while driving. paying attention to anything apart from where theyre going.AND cant use their indicators cos their hands are full.
some k*** nearly had me off the bike (powered) yesterday cos he wasnt paying attention. straight across two lanes of traffic with no indication with me coming down the outside 20 mph faster than him.. yup , you guessed it. on the f...... phone.

sportysnaps
20-07-2008, 22:32
// rant on
// warning I'm really ****ed off

my ****ing shutter broke today really ****ed off, stupid canon people, why did you make it out of plastic / paper? make it out of super hard shutteraniom alloy like NiKon - yes i only brought your stupid kids toy known as the 1dmk2n - should have brought an argos camera - I bet they don't break..... all it has to do is open and close - how did it break? was it designed in a lunch break?





// announcement I'm less ****ed off

// rant off

GFWilliams
21-07-2008, 22:17
What really p***es me off is that all of you can rant about middle lane hoggers, and I still have about a year untill I can drive. What makes it worse is that the car is just sitting on the driveway and I can't touch it :(

Think lucky, YOU can drive

Betty
23-07-2008, 09:44
OH MY ****ING GOD! WHY MUST YOU BLAST YOUR SODDING MUSIC FROM YOUR CAR RIGHT UNDER MY WINDOW?!?!! AND ITS ABBA FOR GODS SAKE!!!!

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!

I am having a bad day it would seem :D

mattyh
23-07-2008, 09:46
What really p***es me off is that all of you can rant about middle lane hoggers, and I still have about a year untill I can drive. What makes it worse is that the car is just sitting on the driveway and I can't touch it :(

Think lucky, YOU can drive

Meh... All you're missing is every other car on the road driving like a tw@ ;), and expense too :D

mrgubby
23-07-2008, 10:03
//rant on//

What Idiot told Ashers about Youtube ?

/rant off//






;)

Betty
23-07-2008, 11:05
Dear All

Following Nicola's excellent achievement of winning silver at the national AAT World skills competition we have decided to place an editorial in the paper next week.

A photographer will be coming on Monday morning at around eleven and it is my intention to get a group picture with Nicola receiving her medal at the forefront.

Therefore can everyone ensure where possible they are in and available on Monday at eleven and as always should be appropriately(professionally!) dressed.

Cheers

Paul

He didnt ask me to take some photos, even though he knows full well I do it, I am a bit gutted really :(

mattyh
23-07-2008, 11:07
I had a similar thing a while back at a family do Betty, I wouldn't go the trouble of worrying yourself about it... just pull a face in all of the pics :D

fracster
06-08-2008, 23:24
Please,please,please,please,please can we have a separate section for questions about tripods,monopods and the relevant heads.

How many times do the same questions have to be answered, use the bloody search function.........:bang:

Flash In The Pan
06-08-2008, 23:31
Please,please,please,please,please can we have a separate section for questions about tripods,monopods and the relevant heads.

How many times do the same questions have to be answered, use the bloody search function.........:bang:

Good idea! While we're here could you recommend a good tripod to me that costs more than the £3 most people want to spend? :lol:

fracster
06-08-2008, 23:33
Good idea! While we're here could you recommend a good tripod to me that costs more than the £3 most people want to spend? :lol:


Try Jessop`s.................;)

Flash In The Pan
06-08-2008, 23:39
Try Jessop`s.................;)


:bang::bang::bang::thinking::bang::bang::bang: :boxer:

fracster
06-08-2008, 23:46
" Can you recommend me a tripod that weighs 3 ounces, will fold up to 3 inches, can take my 4 kg camera and 6 kg lens please? Oh, I only have a budget of thruppence ha`penny?".................:bang:

Ignore me, i`m up at 03:00 and can`t sleep.............:thumbsdown:

Tumbleweed.
06-08-2008, 23:49
Well if you do run out of things to complain/worry about there's always global warming:thumbs:

fracster
06-08-2008, 23:51
Global warming is good, it keeps salt off the roads...............:thumbs:

Flash In The Pan
07-08-2008, 00:12
Global warming = the south of England will be under 3ft of water, but on the bright side it'll be warm for a change during the Glasgow Fair :lol:

Betty
27-08-2008, 12:47
Someone has stolen a pic of mine to use as a FaceBook profile pic. Its not even someone I know! She has even cloned out the watermark!!!!

I am ****** off!!!!

DeadlySmurf
27-08-2008, 12:49
tell facebook and get there accound blocked for ilegal use of pictures
you own the copyright you can take them to cort for allowing her to use it and hosting it for her :D

Betty
27-08-2008, 12:53
How can I do that? Do I even want to do that? I dont want to **** off one person if she is going to tell the whole band about what Ive done. It might hinder future bookings :D

DeadlySmurf
27-08-2008, 13:01
well she wont no that it is you that has done it and if you dont do something dont complain about it :p :D
there will be a email address in there some were to fire a email to for that sort of thing. do it i dare you

DeadlySmurf
28-08-2008, 09:23
Did you do it bettybo ? DO IT!!

Betty
28-08-2008, 12:53
I sent her a message :D

If its still there by the end of the week, Ill contact FB to sort it ;)

Flash In The Pan
28-08-2008, 13:04
Someone has stolen a pic of mine to use as a FaceBook profile pic. Its not even someone I know! She has even cloned out the watermark!!!!

I am ****** off!!!!

Send her an invoice for use of the photo ;)

Betty
28-08-2008, 13:08
Ive reported her anyways :D:D

DeadlySmurf
28-08-2008, 13:11
YAY you go girl :p
i should really go on FB more but im just to lazy :D

Betty
28-08-2008, 13:19
You should, its brill really :D

Be even better if I see her profile in a week and the pic has gone :lol:

DeadlySmurf
28-08-2008, 13:32
:lol:
well i am in the TP group :D

kmlc
28-08-2008, 13:45
Some bloody ?!?*? drove right up my arse on a roundabout, i decide to be courtious and move to the left so people can get passed; the *?!*& drives off!
I chase after him, just in time to get his reg no, phone police, they phone him and warn him they will be around in a WEEKS time to inspect his car.:bang:
WHAT THE ...!!?!?!?!?! :annoyed:
They then turn up, and surprise surprise, he had his car sprayed. Flatly denied it was him.
Now i have no no claims left.
:(
Such a bloody **(* :@
I just wanna go and key his car...... :angry:
:bat::bat: :annoyed:

Matt Sayle
28-08-2008, 13:46
Some bloody ?!?*? drove right up my arse on a roundabout, i decide to be courtious and move to the left so people can get passed; the *?!*& drives off!
I chase after him, just in time to get his reg no, phone police, they phone him and warn him they will be around in a WEEKS time to inspect his car.:bang:
WHAT THE ...!!?!?!?!?! :annoyed:
They then turn up, and surprise surprise, he had his car sprayed. Flatly denied it was him.
Now i have no no claims left.
:(
Such a bloody **(* :@
I just wanna go and key his car...... :angry:
:bat::bat: :annoyed:

Petrol bomb is more effective :D

kmlc
28-08-2008, 13:47
i was thinking more along the lines of pouring white spirit over his car.... leave it on long enough it will do the job :D
:nuts:

mattyh
28-08-2008, 13:54
brake fluid is good I hear :shrug:

Betty
28-08-2008, 14:00
Some bloody ?!?*? drove right up my arse on a roundabout, i decide to be courtious and move to the left so people can get passed; the *?!*& drives off!

Erm, am I being thick? I dont understand what actually happened :D

mattyh
28-08-2008, 14:04
Someone crashed into the back of her car on a roundabout... after the accident, she moved over to the left so not to cause an obstruction, he promptly "did one"

DeadlySmurf
28-08-2008, 14:05
complain to the chief its a seriouse offence leaving the sceen of a accident DO IT

Betty
28-08-2008, 14:06
Ah right, I thought you meant drove up your arse as in tailgating. No wonder I didnt see a problem :D

complain to the chief its a seriouse offence leaving the sceen of a accident DO IT

And stop egging us on you :lol:

DeadlySmurf
28-08-2008, 14:08
awww its fun :lol: :D:D

Flash In The Pan
28-08-2008, 14:08
Egging us on?

Is that a yolk?


:coat:

mattyh
28-08-2008, 14:13
You should also complain to your insurance company and ask them to claim from the MIB (no, not the men in black) - http://www.mib.org.uk/Default.htm

As it's pretty obviously not your fault :)

Cobra
28-08-2008, 14:20
Some bloody ?!?*? drove right up my arse on a roundabout, i decide to be courtious and move to the left so people can get passed; the *?!*& drives off!.........................


What a rissole
and more so the old bill for giving him notice!

The pillock oppsosite me ( drives a white van (!) )
"often" knocks my car getting off his drive ( 4 times now) it has to be him
small dents with peices of white paint left on the area.
He of course deny's it but his last little episode, he drove over his grass that was "muddy" from rain previously,
left muddy tyre tracks in the road the tracks are close enough to my car that you couldn't drive passed it without "dinging it"
I promptly took pictures of the positions and told him one more mark and I will sent them off to the police and the insurance company!
Previous to this he asked me if I had seen anyone slash his tyre and he claims that was the 3rd time in a year. (anyone see a pattern here?)

He also said that he was going to put up a security camera to catch the bar steward that was doing it!
I said great idea then it should also catch the bar steward that is dinging my car,
it was at that point that he accused me by inferrance of slashing his tyres.
I just mentioned that if I was in the habbit of slashing tyres it would make more sense to "do 2" rather than just one!
No camera has appeared and no more (so far) "dings with white paint

Flash In The Pan
28-08-2008, 14:20
I had someone crash into my car and then get out, look at the side of his (which was demolished) and say "uch, it's nothing" before getting in and trying to drive off. I grabbed his keys, so he got out.......and ran away before I could stop him.

When the police came they said it was just as well I didn't chase him as he was well known drug user who usually resorted to stabbing people with a syringe when they got in his way....

Betty
28-08-2008, 14:26
... just as well I didn't chase him as he was well known drug user who usually resorted to stabbing people with a syringe when they got in his way....

*shudders*

Flash In The Pan
28-08-2008, 14:28
Welcome to Glasgow, City of Culture......err.......1990 :lol:

DeadlySmurf
28-08-2008, 14:31
Betty right a letter for Kmlc :D go onnnnn DO IT :p

kmlc
28-08-2008, 15:35
hehe, yes please betty ;)

Betty
28-08-2008, 15:48
I win the FaceBook battle, that lasted for, hmmm, just over 24 hours :D

Dear Danielle,

I apologise for any offence I may have caused you. I will remove the picture.

Kate

Chalk one up to me :D

DeadlySmurf
28-08-2008, 16:01
:woot::woot:

Flash In The Pan
28-08-2008, 16:23
I win the FaceBook battle, that lasted for, hmmm, just over 24 hours :D

Dear Danielle,

I apologise for any offence I may have caused you. I will remove the picture.

Kate

Chalk one up to me :D

Don't go getting bigheaded and invading any former Soviet states now ;)

Betty
28-08-2008, 18:56
Don't go getting bigheaded and invading any former Soviet states now ;)

Damn it, there goes my weekend plans :D

DeadlySmurf
29-08-2008, 00:18
Do it Betty DO IT
:D hehe im am now the egger on of TP :lol:

mattyh
29-08-2008, 07:21
To the muppet in the Mondeo on the A1 about 6 o'clock yesterday:

Indicators don't give you the right to pull out in front of someone! Nor do they ensure the lane you're pulling into is clear, you ****ing spanner.

That is all

birdy961
29-08-2008, 14:35
:razz:To all the numptys who thought it was ok to drive down the hard shoulder on the M1 because it was closed and you didn't want to queue.
I hope bits of you fall off and whats left festers and goes runny :bat:

davekiddle
30-08-2008, 09:58
Rant:

People that don't use any punctuation in their posts, ending up with a 257 word sentence. :bang:

/Rant.

Matt Sayle
30-08-2008, 10:00
Rant:

People that don't use any punctuation in their posts, ending up with a 257 word sentence. :bang:

/Rant.

i dont undersatnd what you mean by people using no punctuation in there posts i have never seen it on TPF i think you are making it all up everyone uses punctuation here

Sorry, couldnt resist.

davekiddle
30-08-2008, 10:40
Aaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!

Matt Sayle
30-08-2008, 10:41
:lol:

whitewash
30-08-2008, 11:30
british gas, not only have they increased their prices by 35% but they sent me two letters this week one saying my electric DD will be going up by over 90% and the other saying my gas DD will be going up by around 115%, ive run the figures through my head and i cant work out exactly how they think i need to pay twice as much on my bills, im a small amount in debt from my DD payments (im talking around £60 on each - so basically ive paid £60 to little on each account over the space of around 2.5 years, an incrase of around £5 a month would cover these and be acceptable) but i cant work out how this would mean that my bills will increase from £260 a year (elec) and £360 a year to around £500 for elec and £700 for gas :shrug:


anyone work it out for me?

whitewash
05-09-2008, 17:04
ooooh 2 rants one after another.


heres mine!

i lent my circular saw to a work colleague who wanted to trim some doors around 3 months ago, hes not got round to using it, and i needed it this weekend so i asked him to bring it in to work today, i saw him during the day and told him id meet him by his car after work and id get it off him then,

so anyway i go out at hometime in the pouring rain and notice his cars gone so i thought ' he must have gone, ill get it off him during the weekend' imagine my horror to find the circular saw (in its previously pristine cardboard box) placed carefully by the rear tyre of my car........... no matter how carefully it was put isnt going to stop the fact that leaving an electrical item in the pouring rain outside isnt going to do it or its storage box any good at all, but to do that with somebody elses stuff.... FFS... lucky it had only been their for a few minutes when i got there, within 10minutes id have expected it to be soaking wet and fit for the bin.


why do people think this is an acceptable way to treat other peoples stuff.


he can **** right off with me helping him plane (with my plane) the edge of one of his doors now!:annoyed:

mattyh
05-09-2008, 17:16
You should ask him for a new one, the ****!

My turn!

Why do people feel the need to:

a. Drive in the middle lane when it's raining (or any other time) when there's no one in the inside lane?
b. Drive at 50mph on a motorway when it's raining
c. Do both of the above, at the same time.

Grrr ******s!

Galaxy66
05-09-2008, 17:23
Mine is a common rant today i AM SICK OF THIS WET WEATHER:bang::bang::bang:

fracster
05-09-2008, 17:30
Mine is a common rant today i AM SICK OF THIS WET WEATHER:bang::bang::bang:

I`m rather disgruntled by it as well.

Edit......My initial response was a load of *****`s, why is that then?......

Betty
06-09-2008, 22:17
You should ask him for a new one, the ****!

My turn!

Why do people feel the need to:

a. Drive in the middle lane when it's raining (or any other time) when there's no one in the inside lane?
b. Drive at 50mph on a motorway when it's raining
c. Do both of the above, at the same time.

Grrr ******s!

I will *always* drive much slower in the rain on the motorway!!!! My god, I hope I never run into you on the M1 :lol:

Betty
12-09-2008, 11:26
I am ****ing fuming.

Cars outside our offices have been ticketed today because the high street has been closed for a funfair. We park here EVERY SODDING DAY, they have NO REASON to ticket us, other than make a few quid :bang:

**** **** **** *******

MisterE
13-09-2008, 00:22
People who don't know the difference between loose and lose

Loose.......something that is not secure or tight

Lose....... to misplace something, or fail to win


I've just had a conversation on spelling with a 16 year old girl, who got an A for English Language in her GCSEs, after I saw that she had written "I hate loosing good friends". She was appalled (to her credit) that she had never learned this increasingly common error.

Techno-Geek
13-09-2008, 01:25
You should ask him for a new one, the ****!

My turn!

Why do people feel the need to:

a. Drive in the middle lane when it's raining (or any other time) when there's no one in the inside lane?
b. Drive at 50mph on a motorway when it's raining
c. Do both of the above, at the same time.

Grrr ******s!

I will *always* drive much slower in the rain on the motorway!!!! My god, I hope I never run into you on the M1 :lol:

I drive much slower on the motorway in the wet, breaking distances are longer when wet so why risk it?

My rant for the day

To the two men in suits in the smart car (sports edition) you know the ones that they tried to make look like a sports car? well anyways, one of them cut me up on the road coming out of Mc Donalds. It was really funny because he couldn't pull away from me, not quite sure why because he had the bigger engine. As we got accross the junction i went out in to the left hand lane to get round him becuase i didn't want my maccy d's to get cold before i got home, he gived me a look as if i was something on the bottom of his shoe as i went past him. Seriously and Smart Car Sports? more like smart mans shorts :cuckoo:

Oh and another one, Do people that own BMW's and Merc's and white van drivers think they have the right to use the mobile whilst driving? i'm sorry but if i am not allowed then you are not.

Arkady
15-09-2008, 06:20
Good grief don't you know by now that BMW driver's are above the law???


My Rant: to the stupid Iraqi T**ts who keep firing rockets at me every other friday night...stop it - the attack-alarm spoils my DVD-watching!
We had a War, we won, end of... now get over it!

richmond
15-09-2008, 06:31
'Don't mention the war' applys to the last one as well, Arkady.

My question ....... Why do drivers insist on slowing down to 10mls under the speed limit when they see a speed camera? :rules:

Smiffy
15-09-2008, 06:39
Why do most (not all) women drivers stop at a roundabout when there is nothing at all coming in from the right?

:thinking::thinking::thinking:

Arkady
15-09-2008, 07:17
'Don't mention the war' applys to the last one as well, Arkady.


Why?

Betty
15-09-2008, 09:05
I have the man flu :(

DeadlySmurf
15-09-2008, 09:06
do you need a man to sort you out ;) :p :lol:

Betty
15-09-2008, 10:00
Its a mans fault I am in this mess :D

33L
15-09-2008, 15:35
always blaming the men hey! you wouldnt have got it if you were with me!

Steven001
15-09-2008, 15:41
I had to use a bus today for the first time in a long time! I now have the cold... bloody bus folk! :razz:

DeadlySmurf
15-09-2008, 15:49
you went fron no cold to a full on cold in one day!!! weekling

MisterE
15-09-2008, 16:24
Why do most (not all) women drivers stop at a roundabout when there is nothing at all coming in from the right?

:thinking::thinking::thinking:


Early one morning about 6 ish I followed a women driver (just coincidence - nothing wrong with being a women). We came to a roundabout and she indicated left. She then went all the way round to the last exit, indicating left all the time. It wasn't a one-off either because she did the exact same thing at the next two roundabouts. Pity it was so early and no traffic because I was hoping somebody was going to pull out in front of her. First time in a while I wanted to choke somebody.

Techno-Geek
15-09-2008, 17:07
I have the man flu :(

Its a mans fault I am in this mess :D

I laughed so much as this :D

Steven001
15-09-2008, 17:36
you went fron no cold to a full on cold in one day!!! weekling

Probably not. I probably got it from someone else in the house, but it's a good excuse not to use buses, isn't it? ;)

Techno-Geek
15-09-2008, 20:48
I need a rant this time :(

Why is it that managers of big companies don't get back to you and tell you that you have not got the job you applied for and was really really wanted the job?

Why is it that i feel so out of place in Norfolk, no one understands me and keeps trying to take off an london acent?

Why is it that anything i want to do my perants disagree of?

Cobra
15-09-2008, 20:53
I need a rant this time :(

Why is it that managers of big companies don't get back to you and tell you that you have not got the job you applied for and was really really wanted the job?

Why is it that i feel so out of place in Norfolk, no one understands me and keeps trying to take off an london acent?

Why is it that anything i want to do my perants disagree of?

Last first, thats what parents do have done and will always do :thumbs:

Hmm your too young for a mid-life crisis, but that what it sounds like :D
We all get like that from time to time, and get over it...eventually :thumbs:

finally, 1st last
Because thats what they do, have always done and probabley will always do.

Techno-Geek
15-09-2008, 20:56
Last first, thats what parents do have done and will always do :thumbs:

Hmm your too young for a mid-life crisis, but that what it sounds like :D
We all get like that from time to time, and get over it...eventually :thumbs:

finally, 1st last
Because thats what they do, have always done and probabley will always do.


:D i need to get to some TP meets and get out with the camera again. :)

inaneredstripe
15-09-2008, 21:18
i got man flu too.
mobile mucus factory. :shake:

Cobra
15-09-2008, 21:24
i got man flu too.
mobile mucus factory. :shake:

Sorry guys my fault, :( I had it last week I am just pulling through now :thumbs:
it was touch and go for awhile though

Flash In The Pan
15-09-2008, 21:29
it was touch and go for awhile

You're back in that layby again, aren't you? :suspect: :lol:


:runaway:

Cobra
15-09-2008, 21:51
You're back in that layby again, aren't you? :suspect: :lol:


:runaway:

:lol:

taxi
19-09-2008, 17:55
Speaking of laybys

Lorry drives unable to park straight, blocking the layby and not leaving enough room for anybody else to pass.

Pulled in yesterday to a lalby yesterday stupid lorry drive parked so badly I could not pass him with the caravan. I only pulled over to take jumper off, difficult to do while driving. By the time I realised that I was going to have trouble passing I was committed to layby as other traffic already over taking me. He refused to move for another 15 minutes as tacky would not allow him to do. So PARK correctly in the first place you idiot.

Anyway he had a mouth full :bat: and I eventually got round by mounting the kerb and damaging the electrics which I had a problem with a few weeks ago. Anyway 5 10amp fuses later, now using 15amp :eek: until I can get it fixed next week, managed to get to the caravan park.

1) WHats so difficult with parking straight?

2) Also, why do lorry drivers always park in the middle of the layby so no one else can pull up without parking badly? Why not park at one end or the other? Surly this is not to difficult :shrug:

Rant over.

photon
22-09-2008, 10:47
Cancer Research UK fundraising mailshot envelope: "It's a girl thing".

My money will remain a bloke thing, as far as they are concerned.

Betty
22-09-2008, 10:55
Thats terrible photon, I dont blame you.

My rant, why do sofas take so sodding long to be delivered? 12 weeks from today? Ill get my new sofa the week before christmas :shake:

mattyh
22-09-2008, 10:57
Hope it's not from Land of Leather, it'll be late :eek:

Flash In The Pan
22-09-2008, 11:02
Thats terrible photon, I dont blame you.

My rant, why do sofas take so sodding long to be delivered? 12 weeks from today? Ill get my new sofa the week before christmas :shake:


Made to order - don't you realise how long it takes to glue all those matchsticks together for the frame? :lol:

MisterE
22-09-2008, 16:12
Thats terrible photon, I dont blame you.

My rant, why do sofas take so sodding long to be delivered? 12 weeks from today? Ill get my new sofa the week before christmas :shake:

I bet you don't

Techno-Geek
23-09-2008, 13:10
Thats terrible photon, I dont blame you.

My rant, why do sofas take so sodding long to be delivered? 12 weeks from today? Ill get my new sofa the week before christmas :shake:

I remember being told you could take the one out of the shop but i wouldn't fancy that, Would you? :)

My bed took like 8 weeks to come i think, i think it's more the delievery service than the people that make them..

Smiffy
23-09-2008, 13:13
Ill get my new sofa the week before christmas :shake:

Just in time to get some nuts lost down the back of it
;)

Flash In The Pan
23-09-2008, 13:21
Why, on the only sunny day for weeks, was there a gritter out on the motorway :thinking:

inaneredstripe
23-09-2008, 18:23
why do people call it AN hotel.
should be A hotel ffs.
i dont live in AN house.
stupid bloody language.

Smiffy
23-09-2008, 18:45
why do people call it AN hotel.
should be A hotel ffs.
i dont live in AN house.
stupid bloody language.


If you lived "darn sarf" you would stay in an 'otel and live in an 'owse
;)

MisterE
23-09-2008, 19:20
why do people call it AN hotel.
should be A hotel ffs.
i dont live in AN house.
stupid bloody language.

Whilst I'm all for correct spelling, grammar and pronunciation, this one bugs me too and I will never ever say or write 'an hotel'. Some people have sticks shoved just too far up their exhausts.

Another thing which ticks me off is that there is not one BBC news presenter/reporter can pronounce mayor correctly. It is always 'mare' instead of may-or. Getting the London news here, even though we're well out of the city in the south of England, we hear it a lot.

who?
23-09-2008, 20:20
why do people call it AN hotel.
should be A hotel ffs.
i dont live in AN house.
stupid bloody language.


The Ritz
My Castle

hth

Jaco
24-09-2008, 02:29
I think sofa`s should have that ready made comfy dent pre built in to them :)

photon
24-09-2008, 06:55
why do people call it AN hotel.
should be A hotel ffs.
i dont live in AN house.
stupid bloody language.

But you do ride a Norse, dontcha?

I remember pulling up my uncle and grandfather over "an hotel" when I first heard it as a boy, but to me, now, saying "a hotel" sounds affected and slow.

Ooops, don't want to turn this into an anti-rant thread.

Back on track . . .

An elderly gent I knew would rant over peeps saying "chocklet" instead of "choc-o-late".

Hacker
24-09-2008, 13:24
Another thing which ticks me off is that there is not one BBC news presenter/reporter can pronounce mayor correctly. It is always 'mare' instead of may-or. Getting the London news here, even though we're well out of the city in the south of England, we hear it a lot.

Another BBC-ism which I first noticed with the Welsh newsreader (Hugh Edwards?) is when he pronounces "says" as "sez", as in "The leader of the Opposition sez.....". I've also noticed it with a few other newsreaders as well. :bang:

MisterE
24-09-2008, 16:19
Another BBC-ism which I first noticed with the Welsh newsreader (Hugh Edwards?) is when he pronounces "says" as "sez", as in "The leader of the Opposition sez.....". I've also noticed it with a few other newsreaders as well. :bang:

Yes, that's another one I noticed too!!

justlooking
29-09-2008, 17:33
sorry to wake this thread up again when you were all having a good anti-rant .. but

Got home from work to find some b******* have stolen the number plates off my little car. Police notified. Just hoping it doesnt cause too much hassle.

Betty
29-09-2008, 18:39
Thats crap :(:(

Kiasmum
30-09-2008, 13:00
Some low-life hijacked my husband's paypal account and now he's being hassled by some guy who can't take it in that it was a fraudulent transaction :annoyed:

(no complaints about paypal though-who have been great:thumbs:)

Betty
30-09-2008, 13:06
Arses :(:(

Hope you sort it soon.

mmcp42
30-09-2008, 13:08
sorry to wake this thread up again when you were all having a good anti-rant .. but

Got home from work to find some b******* have stolen the number plates off my little car. Police notified. Just hoping it doesnt cause too much hassle.

look on the bright side
they could have stolen the car and left the plates behind! :nuts:
(sorry!)

Kiasmum
01-10-2008, 08:06
Arses :(:(

Hope you sort it soon.

That wasn't quite the word we used:D Thanks Betty.

Karin

Dark Star
01-10-2008, 08:26
Oh bugger I'm normally a positive soul but here's a poetic rant! :)

There are some things I need to vent
Some stuff that gets my goat
So read this ode and if its pants
I'm sorry, I'll get my coat

So many things to rant about
But topmost on my list
Is the solicitor that we engaged
He's really got me p******

He did sod all and now he's got
The nerve to send to me
And invoice for eight hundred quid
Methinks he takes the pee!

And my poor car is in dry dock
A prang - to my dismay!
With thanks to the bloody idiot
Who turned right into my way

And my poor young daughters all upset
And has been in floods of tears
Her Uni boyfriend's split from her
At the start of her third year

And much to the distress of my
Dear wife my son has grown
A silly tache upon his face
(He did it on his own)

And still I travel up and down
Away from home most nights
To Tamworth where I work all week
Away from London lights

So forgive me for this mini rant
My woes do not compare
To others here who've lost much more
Or been treated so unfair

I've had my say, I'll go away
And maybe things will turn
From bad to good, I wish they would
I guess we live and learn :)