the quar'an (channel 4)

[badgerbaiter]

anyone else watch this?
must say i found it one of the most interesting documentaries on tv in a long long time
apart from anything else it made a change to see an unbias documentary with everyone getting a say

[hepburn]

Didn't see it. Can't say it would have seriously interested me, not having a religious interest...

What was it about it you found refreshing? Any particular aspect?

[badgerbaiter]

Didn't see it. Can't say it would have seriously interested me, not having a religious interest...

What was it about it you found refreshing? Any particular aspect?

i'm an athiest through and through, but i have friends from different religions all with different degrees of faiths and i always find it interesting to learn about the different aspects.

the most interesting part of the documentary is that the earliest copy of the quar'an that was found was written in short hand. in this short hand some of the words could be interperated in up to 30 different ways!
it was also very interesting to see how many different islamic groups had interperated it in such extreme different ways. Most groups interperating it as promoting peace and forgiveness, but some groups taking it completely the opposite way.

[Steep]

Same problem with the Bible, written about events that 'occured' hundreds of years earlier, in different languages, then copied and translated then re-copied and re-translated all by hand many times over. Each time the text affected by the attitudes and thinking of the times and the people doing it.

[hepburn]

People will always see/hear/read what they want to believe.

[Tumbleweed.]

Like everything else you hear there are bits of wisdom in it. I like to think about stuff and take out the bits I need. Not getting wiser as I get older though and think all my posts on hear are testiment to that.

I'm sorry I missed the programme :|

[spannerdude]

i'm an athiest through and through, but i have friends from different religions all with different degrees of faiths and i always find it interesting to learn about the different aspects.

the most interesting part of the documentary is that the earliest copy of the quar'an that was found was written in short hand. in this short hand some of the words could be interperated in up to 30 different ways!
it was also very interesting to see how many different islamic groups had interperated it in such extreme different ways. Most groups interperating it as promoting peace and forgiveness, but some groups taking it completely the opposite way.

It's still a problem today, even with modern languages it's all in the translation. I was put off reading Kafka because the meaning is different depending on who translated it.

Varying translations have been used by all organised religions to further their causes over the years. The Romans "adjusted" all the Christian festivals to fit the Pagan calendar in order to assimilate Britain. Have a look at the works of the Venerable Bede, quite fascinating in this area.
The Catholic church managed to interpret "Love thy neighbour" as "destroy Islam" when they waged the Crusades and not content with just killing muslims managed to fit pagans and heretics and anyone else the pope took a dislike to into the same camp. It's quite sickening to think that the Church of England actually represents a huge step towards sanity over what it left behind :eek:

In an age of enlightenment like ours, it's a sad indictment that man is not yet grown up enough to recognise that these stories, ostensibly created to control the masses, have created the ground rules for what we should consider to be acceptable behaviour for a civilised society. Accepting messages like the 10 commandments for example as a basis for our laws, yet recognising that we no longer believe in an omnipotent being who will punish us for transgression, delivering the punishment is the responsibility of the democratic process.

[Mohain]

I'm sorry I missed the programme :|

I missed it too but would really like to watch it. You should be able to catch up with it on 4OD.

[kamion]

Anybody ever wondered if they could be just fiction that someone's written about events in the past? And then someone else comes along, picks it up and starts preaching it as religion. :)

Maybe in a few hundred years, Lord of the Rings will be turned into a religion. ;)

[badgerbaiter]

People will always see/hear/read what they want to believe.

that is so right on so many levels

[badgerbaiter]

Anybody ever wondered if they could be just fiction that someone's written about events in the past? And then someone else comes along, picks it up and starts preaching it as religion. :)

Maybe in a few hundred years, Lord of the Rings will be turned into a religion. ;)

yeah i have wondered that myself to be honest

[Jamougha]

Maybe in a few hundred years, Lord of the Rings will be turned into a religion. ;)

I thought it was a religion. :lol:

There are already a couple of Jedi Churches.

[mrgubby]

Any day now the Church of Canon will be denouncing the Evil deeds that the Nikonian Cult practice





:)