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ksebruce
17-07-2008, 09:38
Hi, First attempt with D300 and 18-200vr hand held. Camera was on settings it came with. Any comments would be appreciated (good or bad). Will be trying a tripod close up for posting as soon as it stops raining. At least it's summer so the rain is warm!
http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l334/ksebruce/Woodpecker.jpg
Andysnap
17-07-2008, 09:51
Excellent for a hand held. Keep posting, like to see more.
Andy
nice shot,it looks a bit soft and could do with a little sharpening did you shoot in RAW if you did that s why its a bit soft (I have the same camera but cant remember what the setting where on when i got it)
just reread your post the hand held bit might be why:bang:
ksebruce
17-07-2008, 09:57
nice shot,it looks a bit soft and could do with a little sharpening did you shoot in RAW if you did that s why its a bit soft (I have the same camera but cant remember what the setting where on when i got it)
Hi, thanks for the comments. Yes I shot in RAW and the pic is a crop done in Capture. I have set the sharpness to 6 now that I'm getting to know the camera better. Would the image have been sharper shot in jpeg or Tiff?
BTW what a great site for learning this is.
I shoot in RAW because you get all the data from the image, JPEG uses lossy compression and is already sharpened and TIFFs are big files, I am still undecided on the sharpness setting in the camera, I am trying 4 and 5 but they still need a bit of sharpening in PS or which ever prog you use. I think its better to do the sharpening afterwards so you have the most control over your image instead of the camera
As far as I recall there is no actual in camera sharpening of the raw file but the camera does record the level of sharpening set for a jpeg preview.
Psifox I got my info from here http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond300/page14.asp and it doesn't say its only Jpeg so I asumed that it meant RAW as well :shrug: oh well off to RTFM :lol:
ksebruce
17-07-2008, 10:32
Psifox I got my info from here http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond300/page14.asp and it doesn't say its only Jpeg so I asumed that it meant RAW as well :shrug: oh well off to RTFM :lol:
Thanks for the comments. I thought that a jpeg would be automatically sharpened and the "sharpening" function in camera would be for RAW files? I am a newbie to the camera so i'm happy to listen to all advice.
well it certainly does make a difference on RAW files I just tried mine on 0 and then on 9, big difference :eek:
have a look here
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/RAW-file-format.htm
My understanding is that what it does is apply the sharpen setting set in camera the first time you open the raw file on a computer.
I will have a proper read of it later, but in the first paragraph they are talking about converting to tiff or jpeg. I tried the above settings and viewed them in my camera one is definitely sharper then the other and as thats how there stored on the cf card then i assume that the camera has sharpened them.
OK read the bit you are on about, so I don't understand the full ins and outs of it:thinking: all i can say is as above, If you set the sharpening to 9 its much sharper than one taken on 1, as viewed on the camera and when you open it up in ps, so all i can say at this point is :shrug:
Dogfish_magnet
17-07-2008, 11:37
I will have a proper read of it later, but in the first paragraph they are talking about converting to tiff or jpeg. I tried the above settings and viewed them in my camera one is definitely sharper then the other and as thats how there stored on the cf card then i assume that the camera has sharpened them.
OK read the bit you are on about, so I don't understand the full ins and outs of it:thinking: all i can say is as above, If you set the sharpening to 9 its much sharper than one taken on 1, as viewed on the camera and when you open it up in ps, so all i can say at this point is :shrug:
When you are viewing in camera you are viewing a jpeg thats embeeded within the raw file thats been processed with the cameras jpeg settings - a raw file is just data and is not a viewable file format. (without conversion)
When you are viewing in camera you are viewing a jpeg thats embeeded within the raw file thats been processed with the cameras jpeg settings - a raw file is just data and is not a viewable file format. (without conversion)
Yup that explains it nicely.
Dogfish_magnet
17-07-2008, 11:55
You also need to be aware that some camera settings you set to process jpeg shots in camera may affect the histogram / picture you view on the cameras display , thus giving incorrect details (misleading ?) for the underlying raw files . If you shoot raw all the time it may be wise to turn most of the in-camera processing functions off.
chuckles
17-07-2008, 12:09
The camera will append whatever settings you have made to the RAW image file..... this data is then read by the conversion/viewer software and applied to the image. You can then choose to ignore those settings and make your own adjustments.
RAW rools! :woot:
You also need to be aware that some camera settings you set to process jpeg shots in camera may affect the histogram / picture you view on the cameras display , thus giving incorrect details (misleading ?) for the underlying raw files . If you shoot raw all the time it may be wise to turn most of the in-camera processing functions off.
The camera will append whatever settings you have made to the RAW image file..... this data is then read by the conversion/viewer software and applied to the image. You can then choose to ignore those settings and make your own adjustments.
RAW rools! :woot:
so in the end then the camera notes your preference for sharpening and the software applies it, so in effect it has sort of applied it, and dogfish do you think then that setting your sharpness on the camera to 0 would give you better results for when you PP your image ? I only asked because reading up on this has made my head hurt :bang: :lol:
All my settings in camera are zeroed.
Everything done in PP afterwards.
Dogfish_magnet
17-07-2008, 14:17
so in the end then the camera notes your preference for sharpening and the software applies it, so in effect it has sort of applied it, and dogfish do you think then that setting your sharpness on the camera to 0 would give you better results for when you PP your image ? I only asked because reading up on this has made my head hurt :bang: :lol:
I shoot RAW and do some changes in Camera Raw and some in Photoshop (any sharpening is done in Photoshop) sharpening is always the last thing i do. Remember any re-sizing of an image will usually result in some sharpening needing to be applied. - I have Camera Raw set not to apply any sharpening to the image.
ok I will give that a try :thumbs:
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