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But I've got grass to cut, guttering to put up and a stable door to fix that a stooopid horse kicked. Won't even get it out of the box :(
Marianne
22-05-2006, 17:08
yeah yeah...bet you've sneaked a look already!
Marianne
22-05-2006, 17:10
why not do a before and after shot of the stable door...just to see if it works?
nope, it's still in the box, I'm just home, having a quick cuppa, then the "list" :shrug:
Warspite
22-05-2006, 17:21
Bah - the suspense is killing us - open the damn box;)
Venomator
22-05-2006, 17:23
nope, it's still in the box, I'm just home, having a quick cuppa, then the "list" :shrug:
Yeah ... right !?! :thinking:
The box is empty.
It was intercepted before it got to you.
:D
Warspite
22-05-2006, 17:38
The box is empty.
It was intercepted before it got to you.
:D
Your going to be in a world of trouble if that box does turn out emtpy:lol:
Come on Doddy open the box we want to see some test shots and you know you just know you want to have a play with your new toy:thumbs: :thumbs:
That's the grass finished, now for something to eat :D
Come on man.......get it open:thumbs:
Warspite
22-05-2006, 18:42
And dont forget - we want pics;)
Forbiddenbiker
22-05-2006, 19:13
:lol: :lol:
busterboy
22-05-2006, 19:44
Slack @rse get the box open.. Lets be having a look..:bang:
If the camera wants cleaning send it here.. I have a special way of getting it clean again before you use it....:lol:
http://www.timprocter.co.uk/photography/Various/sensor-cleaning.jpg
Well??? Have you opened it yet?!!! ;)
Slack @rse get the box open.. Lets be having a look..:bang:
If the camera wants cleaning send it here.. I have a special way of getting it clean again before you use it....:lol: [/IMG]
LOL, now 15 years ago I'd have said send the cleaner here :nuts: j/k ;)
First impressions :D
There's no firkin manual in the box. With all the buttons that's going to be a problem :thinking: On that subject most seem to be two handed operations, totally different from the 20D.
The shutter's a LOT quieter than the 20D. I haven't even engaged hyperdrive yet, I've found it but showed great restraint.
But it just feels right, I don't know what it is but it just sits naturally in the hand, beautifully balanced with the 17-40, can't wait to get the 70-200 onto it tomorrow.
And as requested two really quick pics, these were ISO 800 before I found how to change it. Seems noisier than the 20D which I suppose isn't that surprising.
http://premium1.uploadit.org/scottydod//first.jpg
And a 100% crop with the 17-40, no processing at all.
http://premium1.uploadit.org/scottydod//100crop.jpg
Warspite
22-05-2006, 21:15
Congratulations, atleast it all appears to be in working order:) - took your time, and yes you cannot imagine my jealousy:thumbs:
Congrats on the new camera :)
Guess you got it from
James Cumpsty
According to the exif anyway ;)
Any use Doddy?
http://www.oldtimercameras.com/ephotozine/stock/Model.asp?Model=20714&ModelPage=true
Where are you seeing that Robert, (EDIT: Dont worry, downloaded opanda and found it) according to Canon exif it says owner unknown. But if it is who you say then I may need to have a quick chat with the retailer :suspect: I was aassured low usage by an amateur. Cant be too many guys with that name
http://www.8x10.co.uk/
Warspite
22-05-2006, 21:55
Use photoshop for the file info - its got the details there.
Doddy, have a look at this post and download the little exif reader file. It should tell you how many shutter actuations your camera has had.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/72050/0_
Format a card, take a pic then open the pic in the exif reader file.
Got a link from IanC, did the job perfectly. Shows up as 24K which is a bit more than I was led to believe but still perfectly acceptable for this. Warranty anyway ;) Now to sort out how to change the name :bang:
Got a link from IanC, did the job perfectly. Shows up as 24K which is a bit more than I was led to believe but still perfectly acceptable for this. Warranty anyway ;) Now to sort out how to change the name :bang:
24K is nowt! To change the user name:-
Load the Canon software onto your PC from the CDs. Connect your camera to the PC with either firewire or USB cable.
Under the Canon programme group on your PC open 'Camera Window' and you can change the user name. While you're there have a look at the personal functions you can set. Personal Function 21 sets a quiet shutter mode (in Single Shot mode only) Surprisingly, most of the noise doesn't come from the mirror or shutter, it comes from the shutter blinds winding back and resetting for the next shot. In this quiet mode, the shutter doesn't reset until you take your finger off the shutter button, and it's extremely quiet. Great for wildlife and keeping a low profile.
whitewash
23-05-2006, 08:47
what camera did he buy?
24K is nowt! To change the user name:-
Thanks, just getting run in :lol:
LOL You must be scratching your head without a manual. :lol:
LOL You must be scratching your head without a manual. :lol:
Better get the manual then....
http://eosdoc.com/manuals/?q=Bodies
Find your body in the list and click it for the pdf manual.
LOL You must be scratching your head without a manual. :lol:
Most of the usual stuff I've found, ISO, focus point/mode, jpeg/raw, metering mode and so on. Loads of fun working out which combo of buttons to press :bonk:
Once you've worked out how the designers head worked it's not too bad but I'll need to know what happens if you set more than one of the custom functions.
Anyone using anything other than canon batteries for this thing? I'll need a spare, maybe two depending on how many shots you get from them.
Better get the manual then....
http://eosdoc.com/manuals/?q=Bodies
Find your body in the list and click it for the pdf manual.
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
THANK YOU :D I searched for ages last night and couldn't find anything.
Anyone using anything other than canon batteries for this thing? I'll need a spare, maybe two depending on how many shots you get from them.
The battery life is awesome anyway. I haven't found the need for a spare yet. Just be aware if you get a non-Canon one, I'm led to believe the battery doesn't have the weather seals.... which might be a consideration?
Can I ask how much it was?
I think you should have a word with the seller, as theres a difference between amateur usage and 24,000 shots by a pro who shoots robbie williams.
Just see if they'll give you a little refund - it won't hurt :D
as for batteries, I believe (from what I've heard), that black something or other batteries are weather sealed - (Black diamond?)
Leo
I got to agree with CT dod the battery life is awesome.
I was going to get a spare but didn't and not had any need for one........I suppose it's always handy to have a backup just in case though;)
Can I ask how much it was?
It was just the market price for these. I'm happy. I'm not going to go and argue with them, there was no guarantee of shots taken and I don't think it's excessive on a shutter rated at 200,000. Especially considering there's a waranty I think I got a fair deal.
I've ordered a battery as back up. If I find I don't need it I'll sell it on again. Thought it was better to as I have no idea what condition this one is actually in at this stage.
Update, I mailed Mr Cumpsty and got a very informative reply. Looks like the shots are about right, he sold it for a 5D as he wanted full frame, he even told me how much he got for it. The retailer made about 50% which to be honest isn't excessive given they provide a warranty etc and take all the risk.
So, the cams used to shooting celebs, hope I can do it justice :D
*&!!$%**** It's got to go back :annoyed: :annoyed:
Got a chance to test it properly last night and theres some sort of light banding on the sensor. Tried a few lenses and it's apparent on all of them. Only reason it didn't show on the earlier shot was the relatively low contrast.
Spoke to them and they were very helpful, send it back and they will arrange for sensor to be replaced. :(
One for the legal eagles. Under the distance selling regs would I actually be entitled to just send this back and ask for a refund??
http://premium1.uploadit.org/scottydod//_U5M9647.jpg
http://premium1.uploadit.org/scottydod//_U5M9641.jpg
http://premium1.uploadit.org/scottydod//_U5M9626.jpg
Have you asked for and been refused a refund?
If you paid by credit card the card company may be able to advise you.
Gutted for you mate. :(
Have a look at this PDF file from the OFT.
http://www.oft.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/1E6F3C94-8BB0-4374-A65B-6281E030C3C9/0/oft698.pdf
I'd get a refund and the sooner the better. How do you know it isn't the processor? Let's be real about this, they've misrepresented the goods to you both on the amateur status of the previous owner and the number of shutter actuations. Common sense says that the pro status of the previous owner who they bought the camera from must be known to them. If private users can quickly ascertain the number of actuations the camera has had, you'd have a hard time convincing me that a specialist dealer wouldn't check anyway. All that apart, you have a strong case anyway for showing that the goods have been misrepresented to you, whether wilfully or not.
I wouldn't accept any offers of repair etc., you're only weakening your position on a refund, and this camera could be nothing but trouble in the long term.
That's really gutting news. I hope you can find another without too much hassle.
On the subject of the battery, I took nearly 1400 shots on saturday without the meter moving off full. I have no idea how many it will do but I wouldn't be surprised to see 2000 frames without heavy use of the LCD.
Have you asked for and been refused a refund?
If you paid by credit card the card company may be able to advise you.
Not yet, I asked for the procedure and they said send it back for repair. But on their site:
Guarantee
Should a product prove faulty or be incorrectly supplied we will be pleased to make full refund, including return postage. We reserve the right not to accept for credit correctly supplied non-faulty goods. This does not affect your statutory rights under the recently introduced ‘distance selling regulations’.
CT: Thanks, very helpful, that's what I was looking for but could only find the verbage version.
Cheers daz, took me almost two months to find that one, don't really want to go the ebay route and now I'm thinking I might just go for a new one. I do have the option on another but it's private. Hmm, wonder if they would cut me a deal???
I can't believe they didn't pick this up before sending it out. And the sensor wasn't cleaned :bang: Ah well, let the games begin :naughty: :lol:
good luck - If you where in the US, then I guess you'd get a lot more going through the second hand market...
Have you asked the previous owner if the banding was evident in his photos? If it wasn't, that just gives another strike against the second hand site for bad handling of gear.
Leo
you should have bought mine!! boxed, with manual and only 2426 shots taken!
you should have bought mine!! boxed, with manual and only 2426 shots taken!
You didn't post early enough, I'd bought it at lunchtime, you posted in the evening :( Waiting for an email response, have asked for refund under DSR.
Result, it was a forceful email though :D
Rather than become involved in protracted correspondence over a camera that
is faulty I think it would be for the best if you were to parcel the item
up and return it to us for a full refund, naturally we will refund your
return postage.
result Dod :) now you just need to buy Mattski's one ;)
At least they've got good customer service and have agreed to an immediate refund, it could have been a lot worse. Not much comfort though when you've been waiting a long time.
Colin.
Very disappointing Doddy, but for the best I'm sure mate.;)
Warspite
24-05-2006, 15:34
Bad luck on the camera, but atleast you seem to have sorted it - good luck in your quest for another :thumbs:
At least they've got good customer service and have agreed to an immediate refund, it could have been a lot worse. Not much comfort though when you've been waiting a long time.
True, but this is what I sent them, they probably thought Oh, no, lets git rid of this one :gag:
Dear Sirs
Last week I purchased a used Canon 1D MkII from you for approximately £XXXX. It was duly delivered on Monday 22nd May.
Unfortunately I have a number of issues with the camera which need to be fully addressed. I spoke to Mr X this morning and he advised me to return the camera for repair but I feel a more formal response is required.
1. Prior to purchasing the camera I discussed the condition etc with your Mr X. Two of the questions asked were whether or not XXXXX knew who the previous owner was and the number of shutter actuations.
I was advised that it was not possible to determine the actual number of shutter operations but, after consultation with another member of staff, Mr X advised that it was fairly light usage by a “keen amateur”.
On taking a number of test photographs I found that the previous owners name was still contained within the Exif data. Unfortunately it turns out that the owner was not a keen amateur but a freelance professional regularly travelling the world photographing celebrities including the likes of Robbie Williams et al. I’m sure that by checking your records however you will be able to confirm this, along with the original sale of the camera to the same gentleman 18 months previously.
Further investigation fairly easily reveals the number of shutter actuations is approximately 24000, hardly keen amateur usage in the 18 months of prior ownership. The download in the attached link will enable you to easily check this in the future and may well be helpful to you.
http://www.takenet.or.jp/~ryuuji/min.../download.html
2. I specifically asked for the sensor to be cleaned prior to dispatch. Unfortunately it appears that this has not been done as there are a number of dust particles clearly visible with the naked eye.
3. The final issue is possibly more serious. On carrying out a number of test shots a light banding running horizontally across the frame is evident. Sample files will be forwarded tonight for your reference.
The placement of the abnormality is consistent in both portrait and landscape perspectives and appears when used with a number of lenses. Namely a canon 17-40mm, a canon 100mm macro and a sigma 70-200 F2.8.
In view of this I believe that there is an inherent defect within the camera, possibly relating to the sensor, the processor or shutter mechanism.
Conclusions
The condition and history of the camera have been misrepresented. If I had been fully aware of the true situation I would probably not have purchased the camera, at very least not at the price agreed.
The sensor has not been cleaned, or if it has it has not been done properly nor checked.
It would appear that due to the photographic defect due diligence in a full inspection of the camera prior to delivery has not been carried out.
Proposed Solutions
My preferred solution is that the camera be returned to XXXXX at your expense and a full and immediate refund be given. I believe I am entitled to this under Distance selling regulations and can request the refund be made prior to the camera actually being returned.
2. Under certain conditions I would be prepared to accept a repair and return of the camera.
Should the defect be no more than an optical fault, eg smearing caused by poor cleaning, and this is confirmed by a Canon service report I would be happy to accept return of the camera but only subject to.
In the event that the defect is not as a result of a critical component, in view of the confusion over the actual condition, ownership and history of the camera I would expect a partial refund should be made to reflect the true situation. I would have considered a value of £XXXX including VAT would have been more representative.
Obviously there are a number of checks you will have to carry out at your end to confirm the details I mention above but in order that I can comply with the requirements of the Distance Selling regulations it would be appreciated if you could respond within 24 hours.
If you are unable to do so I will have no alternative but to ask for you for a full and immediate refund and you to arrange collection of the camera at your leisure.
I've just looked at my original invoice - £3021 !!! makes me weep the tears of a child!
Very well written dod, if you want to get anywhere with a retailer/complaint that is the way to go about it. :)
Doddy sorry hear of your troubles I hope all gets sorted out in the end for you. You must be gutted mate.
excellent letter, firm but not rude.
good luck getting it sorted :)
What a blow dod......hope it gets sorted as quickly as possible:thumbs:
Ta guys, have arrived at an agreement with Matski so hopefully alls well that ends well :)
Forbiddenbiker
25-05-2006, 06:41
Hoorah, nice one dod, phew. :thumbs: :)
Great letter dod, I know where to come if I should have a problems. Hope it gets sorted quickly.
I've just looked at my original invoice - £3021 !!! makes me weep the tears of a child!
Ouch! That's more than I paid for my N version, and that's still come down in price considerably since I bought it. Can't say I really give a toss though - the camera performs faultlessy, and that's the main thing at the end of the day. :D
Doddy, have a look at this post and download the little exif reader file. It should tell you how many shutter actuations your camera has had.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/72050/0_
Format a card, take a pic then open the pic in the exif reader file.
CT, does this exif reader only show the number of shutter actuations on the 1D series?. Out of interest I've tried it on my 5D, but doesn't seem to show how many shutter actuations it done. :thinking:
I'm not sure Ash. I just tried with the 20D and it doesn't seem to work with that either. :thinking:
busterboy
25-05-2006, 17:11
I'm not sure Ash. I just tried with the 20D and it doesn't seem to work with that either. :thinking:
Won't work with my 1DMkII. :(
Well it works as an Exif reader but no mention of shutter actions as on the link I read..:thinking:
Curious then Tim! It works fine with my 1D. I've tried it several times and that number shown in the example (1043) increases as it should with the number of exposures.
Won't work with my 1DMkII. :(
Well it works as an Exif reader but no mention of shutter actions as on the link I read..:thinking:
I noticed it didn't work on a raw file but was fine with a jpeg :shrug:
Well I've tried raw, tiff's, and jpegs and it doesn't work on any of them. Anyone know of any other readers or programs that can tell you how many shots you've taken?.
The 5D doesn't work, only the 1 series
edit: The 5D can take a Tiff photo?
Raw or jpeg or Raw+jpg only.
busterboy
26-05-2006, 17:49
I noticed it didn't work on a raw file but was fine with a jpeg :shrug:
Tried both dod but still no info..:(
But I have got an idea..:naughty:
Anyone using anything other than canon batteries for this thing? I'll need a spare, maybe two depending on how many shots you get from them.
As you know dod, I got a 1dmkII a month or so ago, I ghot mine off ebay refurbished and it showed only 800 shots had been fired using the exif software above, ive bought 2x Compatable batteries for a total of £33.93 for both. The original battery lasted 4000 photos before the gauge dropped from Full, and is still going strong, the compatables DO have a weather seal and seem to be fine, ive not actually had cause use one yet though.
Not a bad service overall, disappointing initially but good recovery :)
There is unfortunately nothing automated about our refund procedures we do them all by punching numbers into a machine. That said the refund was done today at 10:05, please be aware that it might take two days from close of
business today for it to appear on any on-line statement you view
busterboy
31-05-2006, 17:44
Not a bad service overall, disappointing initially but good recovery :)
Sad it happened but a good result dod..:clap:
Sad it happened but a good result dod..:clap:
Even better mate, the one from Mattski arrived today, absolutely minty, nicer than the one I had to put back, out of the box the minute I got home :D
Well have fun mate:thumbs:
As you know dod, I got a 1dmkII a month or so ago, I ghot mine off ebay refurbished and it showed only 800 shots had been fired using the exif software above, ive bought 2x Compatable batteries (]http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_3&products_id=100918) for a total of £33.93 for both. The original battery lasted 4000 photos before the gauge dropped from Full, and is still going strong, the compatables DO have a weather seal and seem to be fine, ive not actually had cause use one yet though.
Link fixed for anyone who can't be bothered :)
Everyone round to Doddy's to play with his new toy. :)
Result! Great camera mate, and you'll really exploit it.... which is the main thing. ;)
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