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Boon
11-07-2006, 17:46
ok, so i went to the Doc's today with a big toenail problem, whilst i was there she decided to weigh me as she said ' you look like you are carrying a bit too much weight', and she was damn right too.:( :'(
So i thought i have heard a lot of members in here mention they are ' large' also, :naughty: and thought what if we all tried to loose weight together and post some nice idea's for things to eat, instead of nibbling chocolate biscuits.
Anyone up for it, we could post our weight now, and again in a fortnight or month..
so anyone up for it..:shrug:

Marcel
11-07-2006, 18:03
A cracking idea. I started a similar thread on another forum (OK it was started in 04 by someone else, I was just ready at midnight running for the past two years to start each years slimming challenge thread :p)

whitewash
11-07-2006, 18:09
i weigh 80kg and im just over 6ft, so im about the right weight anyway, my beef is with my beer belly, so im gonna start on a diet of sex and pointy dancing to shed the pounds :D

Bachs
11-07-2006, 18:15
Why not just loose the big toenail?
If it's big it must weigh a lot :D

Seriously though a good idea :thumbs:

I've been blessed with a slight build all my life so I won't be joining in or I would have to run around in the shower to get wet.

I am very pleased with myself however as I was a fairly heavy 'in-house' wine drinker and fairly heavy smoker (around 30 a day)

In my quest to save for my 1dMKIIN I gave up the booze and fags at the same time about 2 weeks ago and all is going well.

Feel fit as a butchers dog already and I'm sure anyone losing the weight will feel better for it too.

Go for it!

matty
11-07-2006, 18:18
i weigh 14.5 stone(thats old money) so im up for losing a bit of unnecessary fat...

IanC_UK
11-07-2006, 18:41
i weigh 14.5 stone(thats old money) so im up for losing a bit of unnecessary fat...

That doesnt sound too bad until you find out hes 4 foot 9 inches tall ! ;)

digitalfailure
11-07-2006, 18:51
I'm trying to lose about 2.5kgs which just will not shift!

I was about to start on that cornflake diet.....but i'll wait and see of owt crops up here :)

The weight I need to shift is around the waist area.....so proven exercise tips pleeeeeease.

Boon
11-07-2006, 19:13
its looking good for the challenge, my weight is 14stone (88kgapprox) but i am only 5'8' tall, there lays the problem, instead of having to go to the chiropodist, i should go to the dentist and have my sweet tooth removed, that is my downfall. We will give it a couple of days, see who else want to join in, then we will start on a given day and take it from there.

matty
11-07-2006, 19:40
I'm trying to lose about 2.5kgs which just will not shift!

Put your wallet down next time you weigh yourself...
:D

mrgubby
11-07-2006, 19:45
i weigh 80kg and im just over 6ft, so im about the right weight anyway, my beef is with my beer belly, so im gonna start on a diet of sex and pointy dancing to shed the pounds :D

What's pointy dancing ? :suspect: (if it's a fit subject for this forum :naughty: )

digitalfailure
11-07-2006, 19:50
Put your wallet down next time you weigh yourself...
:D

If i had my money belt on, i'd be off the scale! 2.5kgs would be pocket change :lol:

Anyway......less of the lip you 14½ stone umpa lumpah

matty
11-07-2006, 20:08
Hoi!

Im into pink not orange...

whitewash
11-07-2006, 20:12
What's pointy dancing ? :suspect: (if it's a fit subject for this forum :naughty: )


think 70's dancing where lots of pointing goes on!

mrgubby
11-07-2006, 20:16
think 70's dancing where lots of pointing goes on!

Ahhhh , remember it all to well :'(

Gandhi
11-07-2006, 20:55
Tell ya what, i'll have it all off you. I'm 5'8" and about 9 1/2 stones at the mo. When I was properly unemployed I did balloon up to 10 1/2 but I seem to have lost that somewhere.

Could do with re-positioning my central ballast though so any exercise tips that don't involve dancing like john t greatly appreciated ;)

busterboy
11-07-2006, 21:26
A few home truth's coming out here eh...:lol:

Well Boon you are too late old chum, I started the 3rd week in January this year and up to press have lost 3 stones...:clap:

I can also say that at this moment in time I am still a tad over 20 stone on the scales and stand 6ft 1 inch tall..:help:

That made me just over 23 stone just after Christmas this year when I decided it was time to get my @rse into gear.:shake:

I am very pleased with the way I have lost weight although I aim to lose another 3 stone before I finish..:banana:

Boon
11-07-2006, 21:35
all i can say tim is well done mate:clap: that takes some doing, now, all we need to know is, what have you given up, or have you done more exercise, and do you think the next 3 stone will be harder than the first lot?

jewel
11-07-2006, 22:00
Very interesting thread boys and I might be able to understand a little more if someone could fill me in. Stones vs pounds? erm thanks,lol

Jewel :D

digitalfailure
11-07-2006, 22:05
14lb in a stone jewel.

I'm currently about 179.3lb at 6feet tall.

matty
11-07-2006, 22:22
i am 203lbs and 6ft tall, im better looking though and I have a nice selection of party dresses

Gandhi
11-07-2006, 22:37
i am 203lbs and 6ft tall, im better looking though and I have a nicer selection of party dresses



So it is you in the Bounty Kitchen towel add!

SammyC
11-07-2006, 22:40
I always thought it weird how Americans (Don't know about Canadians) measure weight in pounds and height in cm.

Best ways to lose weight are running, swimming, cycling.

Boon
11-07-2006, 22:45
Best ways to lose weight are running, swimming, cycling.

and keep off the crap too..:thumbs:

dod
11-07-2006, 23:03
think 70's dancing where lots of pointing goes on!
Get rid of the sequins :D

GfK
11-07-2006, 23:32
I've no idea how much I currently weigh.

Last October (when I last weighed myself), I was 20st 9lb. I'm 6ft 3. I look about 16-17st.

Now? Dunno. But i've lost a good 2" off my waist. Probably 18-19st I guess.

jewel
12-07-2006, 02:11
Best ways to lose weight are running, swimming, cycling.

Not sure I would agree with ya on that one Sammy,lol ;)

So 14 pounds to a stone eh,thanks! If you guys are going to be doing this I honestly think some before pics should be posted first? Then at the end of it all the after pics. ;) Perhaps one of you in your party dress Matty, you big handsome fella you! :lol: :D


Jewel

matty
12-07-2006, 07:38
i reckons that DF got there and changed that, im sure i said party FROCKS

Double_Agent
12-07-2006, 08:36
OMG I have always thought of myself as chubby. But then now I think I have to admit it, I AM FAT!!!

There just like an alchoholic I have gone and said it.

I am 5ft 11 and just over 20st. Time to start doing something about it. I think I am at that point where I am the heaviest I have ever been. But I am still happy about it.

mrgubby
12-07-2006, 09:24
If you guys are going to be doing this I honestly think some before pics should be posted first? Then at the end of it all the after pics. ;) Perhaps one of you in your party dress Matty, you big handsome fella you! :lol: :D


Jewel

Who's got the widest lens ?? I think we may need it ;) :lol:

ShawWellPete
12-07-2006, 09:57
Blimey, it looks to me like what we need to do is set up a tug of war team. I'm 6' 4" and just over 16 stone and it sounds like I'm one of the little fellers.

Marcel
12-07-2006, 10:01
Well I'm 6'4" and I'm nto sure what I weigh at the moment. A couple of months ago it was 17 something...Now I daren't weigh myself because I'm afraid it's gonna be more..lol

Back in 2004 I was working for the BBC and was about 17 1/2 stone...steady weight...(Job on the road, ate out alot). Anyway, I ended up leaving there due to depression, and ended up ballooning to 22 stone. As luck would have it, in August, something inside me said "**** me, look at the state of you", and I started slimming....

As of last April I got down to 16 and a bit stone, but then lost interest. Ended up quitting the gym, and became less fussy about eating healthily.

Now, as I say I reckon I'm about 19 stone ish...so I need to kickstart myself into touch again.

I did write out a little story I did last year, talking about my weight problems I had...I'll see if I can dig it out.

SammyC
12-07-2006, 10:22
That's a real problem mate, getting bored with the exercise. I am absolutely certain that dieting alone will not lose weight permanently, as soon as you start eating normally again the weight comes back.

But the same happens with exercise, as soon as you stop the weight comes back. Which is why I think running, swimming, cycling is the best form of losing weight as its nowhere near as dull as a gym. If you can find an exercise that you enjoy it stops being exercise and becomes fun.

I've started cycling to work every day, much more fun than queuing in the car, and it gets you fit. Even in the rain its good fun!

( don't think you can use that one Marcel! :D )

:)

SammyC
12-07-2006, 10:24
Not sure I would agree with ya on that one Sammy,lol ;)

If you guys are going to be doing this I honestly think some before pics should be posted first?

Well I would but the constant stalking and fan mail gets tiresome after a while ;)

PS. What's wrong with the exercise listed? :thinking:

Marcel
12-07-2006, 11:30
Hehe

I've always been a firm believer in the Law of Thermodynamics :D

When people say "I hardly ever eat, and I exercise loads but it just won't shift", I find it hard to believe.

The rules are simple. Eat more calories than you burn, and you'll get fat...eat less and you'll lose weight...simple.

So how do we lose weight? Well we either eat less calories, or we burn more calories.

Doing it excessively is just silly, because as has been said, when you stop and revert back to normal, you'll just put the weight back on....we're back to thermodynamics again :D

What is needed is a lifestyle change, a PERMANENT one.
Now it sounds daunting but it isn't really.

If you tackle it a bit at a time, it really does become easy.
For example.
Switch from butter to low fat spread.
Dont fry: Instead bake, or use a griddle pan.
Or spread a little bit less on your toast.

Drop from 2 sugars in your tea to 1 and a half...then a few weeks later, to 1..then to half, then to none...Trust me it works. I used to drink tea with full fat milk and 2 sugars....and *hated* it otherwise, now I drink it with semi skimmed and no sugar.

It all takes time, after all you didnt put your weight on overnight, so don't expect to lose it overnight.

Also, another golden rule / misconception, is that you cannot spot reduce fat.
If you want to lose a bit of weight from your tum, bum, thigh or whatever, then just aim to lose weight.
You don't get to chose where that weight comes off...Your body genetics does.

You'll notice that men are predispositioned to putting weight on on their tummy first, ladies on their bums.
Well when you lose weight, it comes off in the reverse order it went on...so with men, chances are your tummy got bigger first...then your hips, then your thighs and bums....Well when you lose weight, your bum and thighs lose some first, then your hips, THEN your tummy....

If that makes sense. The only thing you can do is weighted exercise to tone up the area you are interested in :)

jewel
12-07-2006, 13:05
I think running, swimming, cycling is the best form of losing weight as its nowhere near as dull as a gym. If you can find an exercise that you enjoy it stops being exercise and becomes fun.

Well I belong to a gym and I actually enjoy it very much so! It's almost addicting now and if I don't go I feel like crap. I have kids though so I do bike ride, go swimming, and so on. I'm very active but still manage to put on a few extra pounds the older I get it would seem. I'm 31 years old now and I just can't eat the way I used too,lol. No more ordering pizza at 1:00am. One of my worst habits,lol :lol:

Sammy's right too, the minute you stop exercising, the weight comes back very quickly. It's a lifestyle change so find stuff you enjoy doing boys or it just doesnt' seem to work!

Jewel

SammyC
12-07-2006, 13:11
Snap, 31 too.

Arkady
12-07-2006, 14:05
In June I lost 1/2 stone in 2 weeks down at Goreskh in Afghanistan. The heat and the vast amount of water you drink (about 16 litres a day) means the fat just melts off you.
It's even hotter there now, so I'm looking to lose about a stone with any luck. I'm pretty thin everywhere apart from the love-handles and a slight belly - it's the only place I put any weight on and it's all beer, I'm afraid. A month in a 'dry' camp should sort that.

InaGlo
12-07-2006, 14:42
I havent got a clue what my weight is and if Im honest, I dont want to know either.
Ive always been a perky size 8 but now a size 12 is looking a bit on the tight side and I really dont like it.

Some of my girlfriend's laugh when I complain Ive put weight on but I know I can rely on my old mam to tell it like it is. Last visit as I walked up the stairs in front of her she uttered the crucifying words every woman hates 'Our Glo, youre getting a right ar*e on you'. Thanx mam!

I think I just need more exercise to be honest, been a bit lazy of late.
One of those huge zoom 'L' lenses should do it, struggling to lift one of things would soon whip me back in shape!

matty
12-07-2006, 15:05
I havent got a clue what my weight is and if Im honest, I dont want to know either.
Ive always been a perky size 8 but now a size 12 is looking a bit on the tight side and I really dont like it.

Some of my girlfriend's laugh when I complain Ive put weight on but I know I can rely on my old mam to tell it like it is. Last visit as I walked up the stairs in front of her she uttered the crucifying words every woman hates 'Our Glo, youre getting a right ar*e on you'. Thanx mam!

I think I just need more exercise to be honest, been a bit lazy of late.
One of those huge zoom 'L' lenses should do it, struggling to lift one of things would soon whip me back in shape!

:lol: i wouldnt dare mutter anything like that to the wife...:nono:

SammyC
12-07-2006, 15:28
Ive always been a perky size 8 ....

How is a size perky?

InaGlo
12-07-2006, 15:44
How is a size perky?
Hmmm! perhaps not the best explanation I ever gave, lol!

However, Ive never seen a lardy size 8 but, I have a size 12, and unfortunately for me, I think I fall into the latter catagory, lol!

A comfy PC chair and a regularly topped up supply of Green & Blacks Butterscotch chocolate doesnt seem such a hot idea nowadays! :shake:

SammyC
12-07-2006, 16:02
Well put it this way, to us guys it's not what size you are its how its packaged. Don't forget M. Monroe was meant to be a size 16.

mrgubby
12-07-2006, 16:39
When I was 21, I was 12st 12 , now I'm 45 & it's 12st 12.

Got to be the only perk of being Diabetic & watching everything I eat and checking weight regulary :)

Almost forgot , 6ft 2 in height

lumpster
12-07-2006, 16:53
well i'm 33, 5ft 9 and 14 1/2 stone :'(
was 15 1/2 after xmas but did that cabbage soup diet and lost a stone, which has stayed off, thank goodness. My wife is doing the weight watchers thing, losing about 1-2lb a week and doing well.

With me its definitely an exicise thing. I work from home and there are many days when i dont even get out of the house. Also i have used the world cup as an excuse to crack open a beer every time i watch a match:bang:

I bought an exercise bike thats making a wonderful place to hang my shirts :help:
so i'm up for this.

busterboy
12-07-2006, 16:57
Almost forgot , 6ft 2 in height


By the sound of it reading this thread anyone under 6 foot on these forums is a midget..:lol:

ppp
12-07-2006, 17:56
I am currently 22 stone!! I am 5ft 11. I was 17 stone but recently with getting my shop going i have put a lot of weight on due to no exercise and junk food, so i will happily join in to shed the excess i have put on.

ppp
12-07-2006, 18:03
Its not only calories in vs calories out it can vary with metabolism, so some people who don't eat a lot and can't shift weight could have a slow metabolism but this can be increased by eating proper meals daily or lots of small/snack meals (4 or 5 in a day) but still healthy food instead of 2 or 3 big meals.

Boon
12-07-2006, 20:07
so, looks like we have a few up for it then, what we all should know is, types of things to eat, and what exercise we are doing, or going to do.
i take a packed lunch to work,but trying to get something filling and not fattening is a challenge, ideas, suggestions appreciated.
and dont forget, i am 53 with knac**ered knees,but i will be doing exercise starting this friday night.

jewel
12-07-2006, 20:13
Well put it this way, to us guys it's not what size you are its how its packaged. Don't forget M. Monroe was meant to be a size 16.


How it's packaged, very well said sammy! :lol: Same thing for women I would imagine. :D Still don't see any pics though eh??


Jewel

busterboy
12-07-2006, 20:54
Still don't see any pics though eh??


Jewel


http://www.timprocter.co.uk/photography/Various/I-beat-anorexia.jpg..........:thumbs:















And before you even ask... NO its not me...:razz:

digitalfailure
12-07-2006, 21:18
Glo, I think a picture is in order here, a 12 isn't exactly supersize ;)

jewel
13-07-2006, 18:59
Glo, I think a picture is in order here, a 12 isn't exactly supersize ;)


no, 12 isn't huge at all glo. I was a 'perky' 7/8 as well. :D slowly starting to make my way up though,:help:


Jewel

Marcel
13-07-2006, 19:24
Well I'm a perky 18 stone ish :D

minimeeze
13-07-2006, 19:58
I'm with you Boon. Although I'm not exactly fat (I'm a size 12), I am a little overweight (and I'm only 5'3" so feel like a midget on here now with all you 6 footers). I go on my hols in 8 weeks, and I joined a slimming club about 3 weeks ago in order to help me lose the weight I need to so I can fit back into my clothes! I've lost 5lb up to now. I have the problem of being very sweet toothed too.
I did join the gym, and enjoy going there, but I've had to abstain for a few weeks following an op I had - should be ok to start going again now.
If I really must disclose my weight, I'm 10st 2 at the minute (that's 142lb Jewel :) )

Gemok
13-07-2006, 20:46
By the sound of it reading this thread anyone under 6 foot on these forums is a midget..:lol:


Yeah yeah rub it in I'm a measly 165cm / 5'5" and tip the scales at 85 kg / 187.4 lbs / 13 stone 5 lbs so not what you'd call tall or thin :(

My wieght loss program started in november when I was 100kg or so.

I don't really believe in strict dieting for me its all about "portion control" you fancy some chocolate have some chocolate but have one bit not the whole damn bar :nono: it hard but thats life. Alot of the old sayings are true don't go shopping hungry, try to eat a big breakfast and a small dinner etc.

Exercise wise to loose the flab cardio vascular is the way to go so running/walking, swimming, walking up and down the stairs pretty much anything that gets you outa breath. However if you a gym member don't neglect using the weight machines as your metabolic rate is affected by your "lean muscle mass" the more you have the more calories you'll use up each day.

My current "program" consists of a 3 mile jog a random selection of the wieght machines and 10 mins of trying to use a skipping rope ( not a word about it being girly or I'll send the two boxers who gave me the rope round :boxer: )

ok I've been typing this for way too long so I'll finish with a couple of tips

1) drink loads of water as if you don't drink much your body thinks theres a drought so slows everything down to conserve it and stores it just in case.

2) If you want to start running I'd check out the couch to 5k program over at www.coolrunning.com (http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml)

SammyC
13-07-2006, 20:52
Good tips there Gemok.

:)

busterboy
13-07-2006, 21:10
Good tips there Gemok.

:)

Yes top tips midget Gemok..:thumbs:

jewel
13-07-2006, 21:34
If I really must disclose my weight, I'm 10st 2 at the minute (that's 142lb Jewel :) )


Ok now were getting personal here. I don't know any of you, so I guess I can disclose my weight too,lol :p

I'm about 6 feet 2 inches tall and 100 Ibs :p

Ha ha, ok I'm really 5ft 6inches and 135 pounds :eek: and apparently I have huge feet as well,:D A size 8 feet folks. Long legs and all I suppose,lol that's what I tell myself anyways! :p :lol:

If I ever get to my goal weight I will post a pic! :lol: :p

Jewel :D

digitalfailure
13-07-2006, 21:35
Ttiwwop

jewel
13-07-2006, 21:36
Ttiwwop

come again? :thinking:

digitalfailure
13-07-2006, 21:40
This thread is worthless without pictures :D

Boon
13-07-2006, 21:57
today i had a reality check, the doc said it would be good for me to loose a little weight, it will help with the pains in my knees(osteoarthritus, chipped cartledge)
Today we went to Padley gorge, and i am affraid its not for me, climbing up and down big boulders,humps ,hollows, i just couldn't get to the 'right' places for the shots, so i left there feeling very down, and annie did her best to cheer me up again.
i am now more than ever determined to loose at least a stone before sept, as we go to cumbria then.

Gemok
13-07-2006, 22:12
oh and the most unpopular tip for weight "control" cut down on booze, stop drinking drinking at home for example can make huge differences.
Bread's not brilliant for you either and almost as hard to not have :(

digitalfailure
13-07-2006, 22:25
oh and the most unpopular tip for weight "control" cut down on booze, stop drinking drinking at home for example can make huge differences.


:suspect: You must be kidding!!

I'll miss my dinner before I give up my beer :lol:

Marcel
13-07-2006, 23:18
oh and the most unpopular tip for weight "control" cut down on booze, stop drinking drinking at home for example can make huge differences.
Bread's not brilliant for you either and almost as hard to not have :(

Oh I wish I wish I wish.

I don't drink, but I wish I did...just so I could give it up and see some difference :)

ShawWellPete
14-07-2006, 09:13
:suspect: You must be kidding!!

I'll miss my dinner before I give up my beer :lol:

Booze is my weakness. I have a method which has worked for me to maintain a balance. It's a bit sad but, what the hell, I'll share it with you.

I give myself a point for everyday I exercise and don't drink.
I take a point away for every day I drink and don't exercise.
I try keep my score close to zero (-2 to +2 maybe lower at the end of a holiday!)

I have gone from drinking almost every day and exercising a couple of times per week to exercising and drinking 4ish days a week.

Seems to work and it's not too hard to keep up.

minimeeze
14-07-2006, 10:27
I very rarely drink alcohol and I'm not a huge lover of bread either :thinking: It's the crap I eat like cakey stuff and sweets that is my downfall. I'm doing the Slimming World (https://www.slimming-world.co.uk/) thing where you can still eat big portions of food and not have to starve yourself to death, so I can still have big steaks, chips & chocolate :D In fact, I'm eating more now than I did before :shrug:

Boon
14-07-2006, 18:35
I give myself a point for everyday I exercise and don't drink.
I take a point away for every day I drink and don't exercise.
I try keep my score close to zero (-2 to +2 maybe lower at the end of a holiday!)

Pleased you shared that with us, this is a good idea, my wife gives herself a tick every time she dosen't eat in the night, and it works.

i am very similar to Mini, its the cakes, biscuits etc that let me down, i have started today, with only half of my lunch, and although i am not going to starve, i intend to eat properly.
I want to also use my wifes step board in order to do a cardeo vascula workout, and then the ab-swing.

InaGlo
14-07-2006, 19:21
This thread is worthless without pictures :DYeah but, I wonder how many of us would be tempted to bend the truth with our PS skills! ;)

jewel
14-07-2006, 19:28
Yeah but, I wonder how many of us would be tempted to bend the truth with our PS skills! ;)

I dont' have any PS skills. :lol:

minimeeze
19-07-2006, 10:31
So how's it going for everyine that decided to take Boon up on his offer? (or was that just me? :thinking:)
I had a not-so-good week as I went home and got fed rather well with BBQ stuff, takeaway pizza, and had day's out eating junk like hot dogs & ice cream. Needless to say, I put 3lb on this week :'( Right...off to the gym now...

Marianne
19-07-2006, 11:15
oh boy...I'd love to take part in this but I don't want to reveal my weight lol...can I just tell you that I want/need to lose a stone and let you know if I lose any pounds?

SammyC
19-07-2006, 11:33
I don't see why it's can't be relative to a hidden start weight.

minimeeze
19-07-2006, 12:44
You don't have to reveal your weight Marianne :)

Gemok
19-07-2006, 20:01
well the current "heat wave" has resulted in a few more fizzy drinks and ice creams than I would normally have allowed myself and have cut what I do at the gym down loads but not put any weight on

Boon
19-07-2006, 20:06
i have been off the crap, and mostly drinking water, so here's hoping to a few shed pounds on saturday..

digitalfailure
19-07-2006, 20:07
fizzy drinks and ice creams are a compulsary part of my diet!!!
i'm cutting out brocolli and marmite, the weight is falling off............. :bonk:

minimeeze
19-07-2006, 20:41
Fizzy drinks are ok if they are sugar free :)

InaGlo
19-07-2006, 23:27
Well yesterday I was a hand model for my friend in Oxford and all I got fed all day was a saladbox!
I was so close to yelling 'Im a hand model not a bloody catwalk model... feeeeeed meeee!!!!' but I behaved myself, and felt so proud at the end of the day.
Then came the 3 hours of sweltering traffic jams to get home, so by the time I got there, the first stop was the fridge. 2 ice cold juices, 1 custard tart, 1 southern fried chicken, a jam tart and a cup of tea later and I felt human again.
This slimathon thing is going to be very hard going, Im really struggling to cut out the crap! :(

SammyC
20-07-2006, 08:28
I can see that!

Braeden
20-07-2006, 09:11
I usually avoid threads like this as I am somewhat of a heavyweight...

but.. I need some motivation from somewhere to do something about my health so I may just join in with you guys.

My starting weight is likely to be higher than most of yours (if not all) at approx 280lbs (it's been a while since i weighed myself) and the docs tell me that I should be around 168-182 lbs for my height however I think I would end up like a male version of twiggy if I went that low because I am naturally heavily built - so I am aiming at 196lb as my ultimate target weight.

So.. I have 6 stone to lose :eek:

I drink so rarely that you could almost call me tea-total so I have no problems there. I don't smoke either so my only bad habits are food and lack of excercise/laziness... oh and a tendency to drink a lot of fizzy drinks - some days between 2 and 4 litres per day.

This last week I have tried to drink only water (and still drink upwards of 2 litres per day) and I have tried to avoid snacks so it's a start - but that's it.

I have lost 44lbs once before with weight watchers so I know I can lose weight, what I lack is will power... and the staying power to keep up with it once I have lost the weight.

Anyway, I don't know what the point of my rambling was except to say that I will be watching this thread more closely from now on :thumbs:

SammyC
20-07-2006, 10:14
Excellent start Braeden!

Can I suggest that you get on those scales to give you a true starting point. You'll never know if its is working until you have that accurate start weight.

What plans have you for exercise? I hate that word 'exercise' it has so many negative feelings for many people, how about 'What plans do you have for getting sweaty?!' :D

I take it you have a 9-5 job? How far do you live from work?

InaGlo
20-07-2006, 10:25
Do we have any kind of group plan in place with this, or are we all following our own individual thing?
I used to walk 6 miles a day on average, dance the weekend away in clubs and play Badminton every couple of days... that was just a couple of years ago but, now I get out of puff strolling to the local shop ..so I dont .:nono:
If Im honest my only work-out now is gardening.
I really need to find some motivation . Being let loose around my local shopping centre with someone elses plastic would probably do it but, lets face it, thats so not going to happen!
So guys, how are you motivating yourselves to exercise, sorry... 'getting sweaty' ...especially in this heat?

SammyC
20-07-2006, 11:10
Well I cycle to work every day, 5 miles each way and lots of hills. My motivation is that it's too expensive to drive these days :(

Saying that, when I drove the other day I felt like I was cheating and got grumpy because I couldn't wizz past the traffic queues so I guess I'm enjoying it.

It takes me about 20 minutes each way and I feel a lot fitter than when I started.

lee
20-07-2006, 11:56
If you dont fancy Tug of war, some of you could probably join me on the Rugby pitch. Evan Ghandi, theres a position for everyone.

I'm 6'6" and around 18 stone (252 Lb), currently in pre-season training :( and waiting for the season to start so, I can shed the beer belly I've developed.

minimeeze
20-07-2006, 13:26
I'm pretty skint at the minute so I'm trying to get my money's worth out of my cut price gym membership at Cannons :) It's airconditioned so it's ok, and I want to be in good shape for my hols in September.
Cycling to work isn't an option for me.

SammyC
20-07-2006, 14:04
Too much bobbin's to carry for the mid-wiffery?

Oh, wait, you're a between jobs slacker aren't you! :D

minimeeze
20-07-2006, 18:25
Too much bobbin's to carry for the mid-wiffery?

Oh, wait, you're a between jobs slacker aren't you! :D

:razz: I start my next job on the 31st! But yes, too much equipment to carry around, and I wouldn't fancy the idea of cycling the 15 miles to work at the funny times I have to be there.

I've just had the living room & landing ceilings re-plastered so have the whole lot to re-decorate. Should burn off a few calories in this weather :p

digitalfailure
20-07-2006, 19:09
Glo.....i'll let you loose with 1 of my credit cards if you do your working out in my garden :thumbs:



it's not a very big card though.....50p limit

matty
20-07-2006, 19:26
ive got no cash, so im not eating the crud i normally do, so the weights thinking about tumbling off.

What say we all post our weight sunday or monday, then follow it up every 7 days?

SammyC
20-07-2006, 19:43
:razz: I start my next job on the 31st!

!slacker!

jewel
20-07-2006, 20:30
What say we all post our weight sunday or monday, then follow it up every 7 days?


Good idea Matty! :thumbs:

Gemok
20-07-2006, 20:52
ok I'm in
I'll post on sunday after my morning shower :)

Keltic Ice Man
20-07-2006, 20:54
Another hidden weight contestant here, but to say I'm big as you can see from my pic, I'm 6 ft 4 and normal household scales wont give my weight. :(

But I will go into town to a machine and get weighed and follow along quietly.

When I stopped being a pro hockey player I was laid up for 6 months of not walking - (broke my ankle in 6 places) and the weight just piled up and the muscle died away. But want to loose some now.

I think I need to drink loads more (esp water) - I can go all day on 1 bottle of water, and a cup of tea.

Got a step board 2nd hand - just dont know how to use it - anyone know of any sites with some ideas for using it

matty
20-07-2006, 20:57
in the interests of fairplay, i volunteer to travel to all female members houses to independantly varify weights at nekid wiegh-ins, while wearing my pink too-too



Stumpy said he would do the men

SammyC
20-07-2006, 21:11
in the interests of fairplay, i volunteer to travel to all male members houses to independantly varify weights at nekid wiegh-ins, while wearing my pink too-too

I can see that typing that was just too much excitment for you with the speeelings an' all.
:D

InaGlo
20-07-2006, 21:13
Glo.....i'll let you loose with 1 of my credit cards if you do your working out in my garden :thumbs:



it's not a very big card though.....50p limit
For one lousy minute you had me going there .. what card is it .. your Tesco points cards? rofl!


in the interests of fairplay, i volunteer to travel to all male members houses to independantly varify weights at nekid wiegh-ins, while wearing my pink too-too... and Ill be taking the pictures! :lol:

digitalfailure
20-07-2006, 21:13
Aye, i think matty does get excited by the thought of bare male members.....or is that dinkles?

:gag:

Glo, take your pick.......W H Smith club card or the Tesco card are both fine with me, but I want a good job doing on the conifers

jewel
20-07-2006, 22:07
in the interests of fairplay, i volunteer to travel to all male members houses to independantly varify weights at nekid wiegh-ins, while wearing my pink too-too



Visit all the MALE'S??? Something your not sharing with the rest of us Matty? :lol: ;)

Jewel

minimeeze
20-07-2006, 22:11
And you call ME the dinkle spotter? :eek: :lol:

busterboy
20-07-2006, 22:19
And you call ME the dinkle spotter? :eek: :lol:


I must admit minimeeze you have a nice pussy...:)



















In your avatar..:nuts:

digitalfailure
20-07-2006, 22:20
I must admit minimeeze you have a nice pussy...:)



















In your avatar..:nuts:


whoooooooooooa there.....smut alert :bonk:

minimeeze
20-07-2006, 22:23
:eek:

matty
20-07-2006, 22:26
hmmm

stumpy appears to have found out about my too-too again...

Boon
20-07-2006, 22:36
What say we all post our weight sunday or monday, then follow it up every 7 days?

good idea matty, i started or rather stopped eating so much crap last saturday, so intend to weight myself every saturday from now on, and post the begining weight and amount lost/gained.

whitewash
20-07-2006, 23:06
has anyone reported any weight loss yet?


my exercise routine is going well, although i havent partaken in any pointy dancing as of yet!

SammyC
21-07-2006, 08:55
has anyone reported any weight loss yet?


my exercise routine is going well, although i havent partaken in any pointy dancing as of yet!

Have you got any weight to lose?!?! Your pic in the avatar doesn't look like you need to mate. Or are you doing a getting fit one?

Boon
22-07-2006, 19:18
well i got weighed this morning and i have lost 4lb, just for not eating any crap, will do some exercise as well when the heat has gone.
YIPPEEE:thumbs:

InaGlo
22-07-2006, 19:39
Just been to see my mom & she has scales ... no she's not a blooming fish before the jokes start! :lol:
I weighed myself for the first time in about a year and Im a stone heavier.
Im now 9 stone 9 which is shocking for me (she says as she munches on a Viscount mint biscuit).
I might be making light of it but Im not happy.
Think more exercise is in order as I cant find the motivation to drop the sweet stuff just yet.

Congrats Boon ... if you have any willpower stories to share, now is the time!

digitalfailure
22-07-2006, 20:29
your heavier but making light of it.........wimmin confuse me :D

minimeeze
22-07-2006, 22:11
:clap: Well done Boon - that's great!
I'll weigh myself in the morning for the Sunday weight in (and you also weigh less in the mornings ;) )

minimeeze
23-07-2006, 16:38
Ok, as it's official TPF weigh in day today, I jumped on the scales this morning and Ive lost 4lbs too :D I'm well pleased. See, I can be good when I try ;)

digitalfailure
23-07-2006, 20:23
just been to the gym, 81kgs......no real change this week, but to be fair I've not even bothered to change my eating habits :D

Gemok
23-07-2006, 21:05
well today (lunchtime) I weighed in at 86 so I've gone up slightly but I've been off the gym this week heat rash on my neck and shoulders makes sweating a painfull experience :( On the up side I hope to have some nice pics of ferraris from today just as soon as I find the USB cable for my camera to look at them.

Janice
24-07-2006, 08:45
I'm going to join in with you guys.

In the past 7 years since I started work I have put on 3 stone. :'(

It is mostly noticeable on my stomach...it is now terrible and this morning my husband tried to shock me into addressing the situation by saying how awful it looks! :thumbsdown:

I must stop biscuits and sweets. (a bit hard when I have to buy them and have them in the cupboard for the rest of the family....my boys are like beanpoles!)

At my age I am having permanent hot flushes and I cant contemplate excercise....but I will try to cut out the sweet things along with a gentle dog-walk in the evenings and see if it makes a start.

I couldnt see any point in trying....nothing on the horizon to make me want to bother....but now all you great bunch on here are trying too, I will give it a go and try to do it along with you. Thanks.

Marcel
24-07-2006, 08:56
Janice, well if you're doing it, then I will too. I have gotten to the point with my weight loss now, that it's almost "Pfft I dont care", but I know thats an excuse for me having no enthusiasm, because I really DO want to lose it.

So with that in mind, we'll egg each other on so to speak (only not with eggs, because there's up to 10 grams of fat in an egg :D)

I'll go weigh myself now, which I've been putting off.

Glen
24-07-2006, 09:00
Now I've got my holiday out of the way I gonna join in too, just jumped on the scales :eek: :eek: 15.8 st, oops! Right, off to the gym see you in a bit. :wave:

When I lived at home with my parents I was 13.5 st, when I moved in with the wife, it started going down hill. Been living with the wife for 7 years now, its all her fault!! Mind you when I was at mums she used to do a massive sunday dinner type thing every night??? I must just be eating more crap nowdays?

SammyC
24-07-2006, 09:08
So who's in then? I make it:

Boon
Marcel
Janice
MiniMeeze

Now that's a very short list BUT I've not included anyone that's not explicitly said that they want to publicly join in. I know that this is a very personal thing and don't want to pressure anyone into joining so, add your name to the list if you want to!

:)
PS. I'm very happy to be the spirit of 'Mr. Motivator' by giving lots of encouragement although I refuse to wear any silly lycra! :D

Braeden
24-07-2006, 09:09
Ok, I weighed myself this morning and it seems i'm already lighter than I expected to be (even my mother asked me yesterday if I had lost weight) since my last weigh in was almost a stone heavier than I am now.

273.5lb (19st 7.5lbs or 124.3 kilos) is my starting weight for this slimathon.

I don't have a time limit as such, but my target weight is 196lbs (89 kilos) so I have a mammoth task ahead.

I can't afford to join a gym yet, but when the house has sold and we have got somewhere else to live then I will do so.

As for my plan, well I lost 44lbs on a weight watchers diet some time ago so until the house sells I will mainly be watching what I eat, as well as walking to places I would normally drive to (within reason) and generally trying not to be such a couch potato. Hopefully this will improve my photography as well since I will be taking more walks :thumbs:

Glen
24-07-2006, 09:10
[quote=SammyC]So who's in then? I make it:

Boon
Marcel
Janice
MiniMeeze
Glen

Braeden
24-07-2006, 09:11
[quote=SammyC]So who's in then? I make it:

Boon
Marcel
Janice
MiniMeeze
Glen
Braeden

and me :)

SammyC
24-07-2006, 09:23
Good lads, good lads!

:)

InaGlo
24-07-2006, 10:31
and me :)

Me too!
I have no motivation on my own, perhaps by going 'public' I may push myself a little more!

Marcel
24-07-2006, 10:42
Right, I weighed myself this morning, cringing...and thought "anything under 19st is a bonus"

I'm 18st 3lb and 3/4.

So im in for this :D

I have an excel spreadsheet for anyone that wants it...
Basically you enter the date, and your current weight, and it works out how much youve lost (or gained), not only since the last weigh in, but also cumulatively, and converts it into straight pounds, and also kilos for you :thumbs: All done with my fair hand :D

Here's a screenie
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3448/weightchartnm3.jpg

I have a blank copy of it for anyone thats interested.

Braeden
24-07-2006, 11:01
send me a copy over if you like Marcel - I have something similar but not as much detail as yours.

SammyC
24-07-2006, 11:28
Ok, that's now:

Boon
Marcel
Janice
MiniMeeze
Glen
Braeden
InaGlo

SammyC
24-07-2006, 11:29
Oh, don't forget this is also the place to post if you're feeling weak and need help to avoid that snack attack. Plenty of people joining in now that should be able to suggest something better for you if you must have a snack!

:)

minimeeze
24-07-2006, 12:46
And remember - thirst and hunger are easily confused so make sure you drink plenty of fluids! (just not ones that are loaded with sugar ;) )

Boon
24-07-2006, 20:46
And remember - thirst and hunger are easily confused so make sure you drink plenty of fluids! (just not ones that are loaded with sugar ;) )


or hops:nono: :bang:

Marcel
24-07-2006, 21:33
I've uploaded the spreadsheet to www.marcelbooth.co.uk/m/weightloss.xls

There are a couple of entries in there (to show you how it's entered), you may delete those

Basically enter todays (or yesterdays) date, the start weight.
Then on the next line, the new date, and your new weight, and it works everything out for you.

It also works for negatives, so what I like to do, is when I've put ON weight, I highlight the whole line and change the text colour to red to give me a reminder ;)

By the way, it only accepts weight in stones and pounds, and converts to the rest for you :)

Regards

whitewash
24-07-2006, 22:49
Have you got any weight to lose?!?! Your pic in the avatar doesn't look like you need to mate. Or are you doing a getting fit one?
that picture clearly shows the bowling ball i swallowed as a kid!

SammyC
25-07-2006, 08:08
I'll have to take your word on that one mate. :)

Janice
25-07-2006, 08:32
Thanks Marcel that is going to be a brilliant encouragement.

My only prob is that I have a broken toe at the moment and am not supposed to walk....so its gonna have to be done by "food only" for the time being. Grrr!:razz:

Glen
25-07-2006, 11:29
I've lost 2 pounds since yesterday, going the right way at least!

SammyC
25-07-2006, 11:31
Have a look down the back of the sofa or under the car seat....

Glen
25-07-2006, 11:33
Have a look down the back of the sofa or under the car seat....

pleeeaasssee ........ there's always one (usually you) :lol:

SammyC
25-07-2006, 11:35
Moi? ;)

Catdaddy
25-07-2006, 11:45
I might join in this one - I had my chest and back waxed (fer charidy, mate) at the weekend (45 minutes of unadulterated torture!), and while I looked overweight beforehand, now I just look like an overweight oven-ready chicken! Best get the weighing scales out and make a start...

minimeeze
25-07-2006, 11:48
Ooohh - but I bet you're lovely & smooth now :naughty:

Marianne
25-07-2006, 11:52
cheryl...I think the heat is getting to you....I like a nice furry chest actually...but don't tell Barry will you?

minimeeze
25-07-2006, 11:53
I like nice n smooth - same for faces too :)

Janice
25-07-2006, 12:43
OOOhhh NO.....................hairy as possible for me!!! :thumbs:

Marianne
25-07-2006, 13:39
that thumb emote is having a double meaning for me since Min has been dinkle spotting ;)

minimeeze
25-07-2006, 14:06
:lol: :lol:

Janice
27-07-2006, 12:40
Well, how's it going, guys?

I had wanted to diet AND excercise to increase the weightloss, but unfortunately I have a broken toe which is all strapped up and Im not supposed to walk, so I have to do it with food only.

I started on Monday morning and have lost 5lbs so far....although I am not particularly proud as I know the weight falls off to start with, probably just water and stuff. But I am determined ....... I am looking at this as a new phase of my life as I start to approach 50 and the kids are starting to fend for themselves, and I want it to be a nice slim phase! :)

InaGlo
27-07-2006, 12:51
Congrats Janice :thumbs:
I think thats really good going especially for food only and in such a short space of time too.
Hope the toe isnt giving you too much gip!

Ill get to weigh myself on Sat when I visit me mam, Im not expecting to feel so proud ... Tesco has had 50p off Green & Blacks choc Bars this week & last night my son's girlfriend bought me Ferrero Rocher too.
Ive always been able to eat what I like up until recently so having to find willpower where food is concerned is proving a new & difficult experience!

SammyC
27-07-2006, 12:59
Nice one Janice! :)

Janice
27-07-2006, 13:26
Thanks. I must say if it wasnt for the boys then I wouldnt need to buy biscuits, kitkats etc. When I open that fridge the temptation is enormous.

I bet living on your own would make things a lot easier!! :'(

SammyC
27-07-2006, 13:44
No, then boredom sets in and the fridge and TV are your friends. :(

minimeeze
27-07-2006, 14:57
Well done Janice :clap:

I bet living on your own would make things a lot easier!! :'(

It certainly does. When I lived on my own, I never bought junk food, biscuits, cakes, etc as the temptation was just too much, and the weight stayed off. Now I buy stuff for my fella as he takes cakes etc to work, and likes to sit on an evening and eat junk. He left 1/2 a bag of Maltesers in the fridge last night..... they're not there anymore :eek: However, I did spend an hour in the gym this morning to compensate :D

digitalfailure
27-07-2006, 15:01
So, the malteasers made you eat them? :suspect:


I'll have to have a word here, because I gave them strict instructions for them to tell you to post them to me :D

SammyC
27-07-2006, 15:02
You just can't trust Malteasers these days!

minimeeze
27-07-2006, 15:08
So, the malteasers made you eat them? :suspect:

Actually, yes :p I heard the little voices when I opened the fridge :lol:

digitalfailure
27-07-2006, 15:21
So....you heard them and still ate them :eek:

Murderess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

SammyC
27-07-2006, 15:32
Actually, yes :p I heard the little voices when I opened the fridge :lol:

Their screams for mercy no doubt! :'(

Forbiddenbiker
27-07-2006, 18:35
I'd like to join in but my weights about right; :shrug: :D I keep reasonably fit, and don't eat much and drink loads of fluids, so I guess I must be doing ok.

I'm 42...still getting used to that 4. 189lbs, 6 foot 2 inches, and its fair to say; I'm all arms and legs.
I have got some fat on my tummy and some love handles but I'm not to fussed as I don't believe in stressing out whilst fighting with my genes,(J) But then again I don’t blinkin have too, do I… I hear you all growl. ;)

Great thread guys, good luck to all in your efforts. And congrats so far.

Gemok
30-07-2006, 10:56
well today (lunchtime) I weighed in at 86 so I've gone up slightly but I've been off the gym this week heat rash on my neck and shoulders makes sweating a painfull experience :( On the up side I hope to have some nice pics of ferraris from today just as soon as I find the USB cable for my camera to look at them.


Todays (30/07/06) wiegh in alot more like it 82.9 kgs. About half way from my start weight (96kg ish this time last year) to my goal :banana: :woot: :banana:
exercise this week - stripping the paint off the stair banisters. Trust me not a good idea makes a huge mess and takes forever and a day to do :(

Ferrari pics still on camera LOL

minimeeze
30-07-2006, 19:36
Well done Gemok :clap:
I haven't lost any weight this week :( (although I have a perfectly good excuse why), and I haven't put any on. I have been fairly good however and even managed to get a few gym sessions in too, plus lots of decorating :)

matty
30-07-2006, 19:47
14.3st....

Marcel
30-07-2006, 20:21
18st 7 today for some reason :(

Been ice skating and swimming this week, and not eaten anything more than usual (or so I thought)

Decided today, I'm going to have to rejoin the gym :(

digitalfailure
30-07-2006, 20:50
Just back from the gym

80.5kgs in sports get up.......so thats about 80.49 nekid :naughty:

Not done a single thing with regards to eating this week, i've been off and have stuffed my face with anything which didn't require a tin opener or the use of an extra brain cell.

Gemok
30-07-2006, 21:20
Just back from the gym

80.5kgs in sports get up.......so thats about 80.49 nekid :naughty:

Not done a single thing with regards to eating this week, i've been off and have stuffed my face with anything which didn't require a tin opener or the use of an extra brain cell.

WOW your gym clothes only weigh 10 grams you must wear pretty much nothing to the gym :gag:

digitalfailure
30-07-2006, 21:27
:naughty:

Matt Charlton
30-07-2006, 22:00
Okay I think I'm up for this. I'll weigh myself in the morning (best time to weigh yourself from what I remember) and I'll post up what I am in the morning.

I'm 6ft tall and last time I checked was back up to around 23stones, I did get it down to just under 21 at some point this year but I've had problems with work and things and I tend to eat a lot when I'm bored.

I'm not going to take up exercising at the gym again - I last for so many months and then get bored and stop going and the vicious circle begins. I already drink only sugar free drinks, dont really drink alcohol, its the biscuits, crisps, junk food that does me in.

With photography becoming a serious hobby for me, we're doing much more walking around at the weekends and that should hopefully make a difference. We'll see what happens and see what my initial weight is in the morning :)

Matt

Braeden
31-07-2006, 13:08
4lb loss for me this week

down to 269.5lbs

Janice
31-07-2006, 18:01
6lb for me. Perhaps it would be best to say our loss/gain instead of just our new weight, as I cant remember for the life of me what people weighed before!! :)

minimeeze
31-07-2006, 19:03
Wow - well done Braeden & Janice :clap:

SammyC
01-08-2006, 09:25
good work people, keep at it! :)

minimeeze
06-08-2006, 22:22
So how's everyone done this week?
I'm pleased to say I've lost 2lb this week, making a grand total of 7lb to date :D Only another stone to go......

Marianne
06-08-2006, 22:23
I'm hiding...

InaGlo
07-08-2006, 07:03
I'm hiding...
Me too ... I actually put 1lbs on ... damn that Green & Blacks!!! :shrug:

Janice
07-08-2006, 08:01
Lost another 4lbs this week, making a total of 10lb so far.
Only about another 1.5 - 2.0 stone to go!!

Braeden
07-08-2006, 08:34
I lost 6.5 lbs last week! :D

Thats 10.5lbs in 2 weeks and 20lb in total.

Only another 80 to go...

Janice
07-08-2006, 08:37
Well done, Braedon. :thumbs:

SammyC
07-08-2006, 09:39
Well done all! :)

Gemok
07-08-2006, 12:15
I'm letting myself off this weeks weigh in.

Went to a wedding over the weekend :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer: :nuts:

I didn't have to behave myself too much no single ladies to impress :( or :banana: with:bang:

digitalfailure
07-08-2006, 22:57
i was the same.......i've been trying to lose this last couple of kilos for an age.

minimeeze
14-08-2006, 17:16
Zilch for me this week :( I seem to take one step forward and two steps back. Must try harder <sigh> Only another 4 weeks to my hols.

Braeden
14-08-2006, 17:34
I only lost 1lb this week, but then I did eat a lot of junk at croft this weekend (not to mention the mixed grill at the hotel on Saturday night) so any loss is good considering...

Janice
14-08-2006, 17:59
Only 1lb for me too this week. It comes off quick at the beginning then slows down....it can be quite disheartening...but dont let it beat you..... I am still at it and determined to do it.
Think of it this way guys, if you only lose 1lb a week, it seems like nothing, but in 6 months thats 26lb which is nearly 2 stone!! :thumbs:

matty
14-08-2006, 18:09
ive beenstuffing my face for the last 2 weeks so might not actually go near the scales for a few days...

Janice
14-08-2006, 19:06
ive beenstuffing my face for the last 2 weeks so might not actually go near the scales for a few days...

Ummmm.......you're a pig you are! ;)

Marcel
14-08-2006, 20:45
Well I finally got off my jacksie and rejoined the gym last week.

Had my maiden voyage on Sunday..... :D

I'm in agony today :p

SammyC
14-08-2006, 20:50
First two to three weeks are the killers, if you make it past that then the hard bit is done! :)

Gemok
14-08-2006, 20:56
what did they have you doing Marcel?

Marcel
15-08-2006, 09:18
They didn't do anything. I basically worked my own stuff out.

Started off warming up a bit, then onto the weights machines.

Roughly 3 sets of 14-16 on each machine with about 30-40 seconds rest inbetween each set. Weights on each machine were one so the last set on each machine was a bit of a struggle (not much of one, mind :D).

Then onto the cross trainer. 2 mins warm up, 30 seconds going hell for leather, 90 seconds comfortable pace.
So at 2 mins 4 mins 6mins and 8mins, i'd go hell for leather for 30 seconds, really get it pumping. Then active recovery (ie recovery but still moving) for 1:30.

Then onto the treadmill for 10 mins, put it into a bit of a climb (only set at 3.5 whatever that means in real money), and a speed of about 6k, nipping it up to 9.5k (jog speed) for about a minute.

Cool down, stretch off, and a lovely shower, followed by turning the shower up full and cranking the temp down to freezin...love it, tis a good refresher if you can handle it (although it really does take your breath away).

SammyC
15-08-2006, 09:58
Roughly 3 sets of 14-16 on each machine with about 30-40 seconds rest inbetween each set.

Depending on what you want of course but if you're looking to lose weight then sets of 20+ would be better. Anything around the 12-14 mark will bulk muscle rather than burn fat/tone, i.e. make you heavier.

Obviously, like I said, depends on what you want to do. :)

Kev M
15-08-2006, 09:59
Am I too late to join? Every year before my holiday I think about doing something to shift the beer gut and thinking about it is as far as I get. My mrs wants me to get waxed but I keep telling her where to go becuase I think that the hair on my chest does for my belly and boy boobs what camoflage does for hiding soldiers. It's always there it's just not so easy to make out. Anyways perhaps now I'll do something about it. I'm 5ft11 (oh for that extra inch, I so want to be 6ft) and 16st 4lb. I've no idea what I should wiegh (and I never trust those doctors charts) but I want to lose the gut, the boobs and the flabby neck/chin bit.

Seeing as I'm new and have no dignity to lose would you like me to be the first picture?

Marcel
15-08-2006, 10:32
I do want to lose weight, but fat.

I'm not that fussed by overall weight, but I do want to bulk up muscle, as the only good muscle I have is the one that chews my food :D

jewel
15-08-2006, 13:02
as the only good muscle I have is the one that chews my food :D

:lol: heh, heh. the fact that you joined back up with the gym is great!

You guys are all doing great, first few weeks are the hardest yes. I would stay away from the weights though until you get down to the weight you want, then bulk up from there Marcel. I barely touch the weights when I go to the gym. Now I know I'm a girl and I'm sure it's different but still,lol I do 20 min on the treadmilll, 50 min on the cross trainer and then ride a bike for a half hour. I do that every time I go, but only do weights every other day, or third, or fourth day,lol :p

Jewel

Good luck to all of you! :D

Marcel
15-08-2006, 13:26
The plan is, to increase my puny muscle mass, which in turn burns more calories.

It was all recommended to me by a personal trainer ;)

Besides, I prefer doing the weights, the cardio stuff bores me...lol (Unless there's something good on the telly :p)

SammyC
15-08-2006, 14:11
Unfortunately it's the cadio stuff that will burn the fat, the muscle/weights stuff will just make you look bigger.

matty
15-08-2006, 18:03
omfg i weighted myself today......15st dead

Kev M
15-08-2006, 18:23
I was 15st once. It's be nice to be 15st again some day.

jewel
15-08-2006, 20:21
omfg i weighted myself today......15st dead

:lol: Heh, don't you hate when that happens,lol

I just had a similar experience the other day myself. Not good! Gotta get off the peanut m&m's :D

Jewel :)

digitalfailure
15-08-2006, 22:04
you look well for 15st Jewel ;)

SammyC
16-08-2006, 08:15
I think we've only seen head shots so far DF! :D

minimeeze
20-08-2006, 22:29
1lb off this week :) Not bad considering what I've eaten :)

digitalfailure
20-08-2006, 22:41
Don't think i've lost anything in a month, but a nice lady at a party on sat night asked if i'd lost weight.....so all's good in my book :D

InaGlo
20-08-2006, 22:46
No change for me Im afraid ... Im going lto have to ay off the Green & Blacks, the custard tarts & the Cadbury praline Flake's this week.
Also thinking of getting myself one of those Orbitrek (sp*) things that they sell on the shopping channels ... anyone use/have any advice regarding one of those things?

matty
20-08-2006, 22:51
not looked, scared...

Braeden
21-08-2006, 07:29
another 3lb loss for me this week making 24lbs in total

20st 7 lbs to 18st 11 lbs

SammyC
21-08-2006, 08:28
No change for me Im afraid ... Im going lto have to ay off the Green & Blacks, the custard tarts & the Cadbury praline Flake's this week.
Also thinking of getting myself one of those Orbitrek (sp*) things that they sell on the shopping channels ... anyone use/have any advice regarding one of those things?

Can't say I have, is it some kind of cross trainer?

Janice
21-08-2006, 09:15
I have reached a plateau..... still eating the same "nothingness" all day, and the weight is now static :'( I can hardly eat any less.................so it looks like more walking is required! I will have the thinnest dog in the village!! :D

minimeeze
21-08-2006, 19:18
Janice, if you don't eat enopugh, your body will go into starvation mode and hang on to the stored fat... maybe you need to start eating more?

Janice
21-08-2006, 19:42
That's what I needed to hear..................where's the peanut butter? LOL :D :D

minimeeze
21-08-2006, 20:35
Erm... that's not quite what I meant :nono: :lol:

Gemok
21-08-2006, 22:35
just to jump back a page regarding the whole using weights means bulking up not losing weight. The Current scientific view point is the more lean muscle mass you have the higher you metabolism needs to be to keep you going and so the more calories you burn just by being alive which is y bodybuilders etc need to eat loads to maintain their physique. I'm not saying we should all look like arnie in the terminator but a little extra muscle here and there will help the fat go away. You may not get lighter but what r u more worried about what the scale says or if your belly's flatter?

Another point of contention is the you can only loose wieght by doing long bouts of cardio there are some studies the sugest that whats known as High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) ie the run for 90 sec walk for 60 sec or some variation thereof is more benifical than a long slow jog because it carries on working after you finish training personally I find it more interesting as well which means I'm more likely to do it :)

Gemok
21-08-2006, 22:37
the above is also my excuse why I'm heavier now than a few weeks ago .... its muscles not cookies I tell ya


Edit I've forgotten twice now to say Braeden is doing great keep it up mate

Marcel
21-08-2006, 23:36
just to jump back a page regarding the whole using weights means bulking up not losing weight. The Current scientific view point is the more lean muscle mass you have the higher you metabolism needs to be to keep you going and so the more calories you burn just by being alive which is y bodybuilders etc need to eat loads to maintain their physique. I'm not saying we should all look like arnie in the terminator but a little extra muscle here and there will help the fat go away. You may not get lighter but what r u more worried about what the scale says or if your belly's flatter?

Another point of contention is the you can only loose wieght by doing long bouts of cardio there are some studies the sugest that whats known as High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) ie the run for 90 sec walk for 60 sec or some variation thereof is more benifical than a long slow jog because it carries on working after you finish training personally I find it more interesting as well which means I'm more likely to do it :)


Thats exactly my understanding as taught to me by my personal trainer...
The HIIT is what I'm doing too, although I do find it hard sometimes.

It does mean that I can get the cardio stuff done and over with, rather than boriingly slog on for hours on end

Gemok
22-08-2006, 00:01
oh and the other thing alot of people misunderstand is "low fat" foods aren't the solution to dieting. As "Low Fat" dosen't mean low calories, if some exagerated hypothetical food has 1g fat but 2000 calories eating it isn't going to help you if your goal lose weight. As your body is more than capable of turning calories into fat all on its own.

Like wise eating not enough will hinder results as well. Initially starving yourself will shed the pounds but as minimeeze mentioned your body will enter starvation mode meaning it'll slow the metabolism down so you'll use less energy through out the day. If you're feeling run down and slugish you may not be eating enough and your body is trying to save energy by slowing everything down, it not clever enough to know that another meal is coming. do a rough guess of your calorie intake per day if its less than 1200/1500, its too low as a rough guide it obviously changes person to person. This is why lots of people loose wieght then pile it on and them some afterwards the body is slow to come out of starvation mode so when people go from eating virtually nothing to eating normally its still conserving energy so can store the excess the food provides on your hips bum and tum.

The body does similar things with water don't drink enough and it'll put a hose pipe ban on ya no non vital uses of H2O. It's going to take a fair few decades of having an abudance of food for our genetics to forget the bad days of famine in the western world.

-----------Disclaimer-----------------
All the above coments are as I understand things I've no qualifications in nutrition of the mechanics of the human digestive system. If you know I'm wrong about something put me right please :)

Braeden
22-08-2006, 00:32
Edit I've forgotten twice now to say Braeden is doing great keep it up mate

Thank you :thumbs:

I don't know whether I have said what I have been doing but just in case here it is:


1) I have cut out fizzy drinks altogether.

Previously I would drink between 2 and 4 litres of Dr Pepper/Coke/Fanta or whatever the machine supplied when I got there. I now drink water (bottled and chilled of course) in place of the "pop" I was drinking before, so not only do I cut the sugar/calorie intake - I save money as well!


2) I have severely cut down on snacks - but not altogether as I don't think I could ever do that.

Previously I would have approx 2 packs of crisps a day or one may be substituted by a chocolate bar of some description from the snack machine at work. Now I take fruit to work as often as possible although I do still have crisps occasionally with my lunch but I avoid the high fat/calorie crisps (the ones I really like :'() and go for things like walkers french fries or similar. At home I mainly have a savoury tooth as opposed to sweet but again my main problem was snacking - a sandwich here and there and the like. Now I eat my lunch and evening meal and if I am still hungry I will have either fruit or cereal where possible on a night. I still don't make time for breakfast though which I know I should.


3) reduced portion sizes

Previously I would have overly large portions, for example if I had pie chips and peas, I would have 2 pies - now I would have one (if I had actually had any pies since then which I haven't). I used to get hungry all the time when I first started, but now I find it is far less frequent than before and it's actually getting easier to eat less.


and lastly


4) I have changed departments at work

Initially this was a temporary change but it could well be permanent. My contracted job is at a desk all day with very little physical activity and usually lots of coffee and or coke etc, and above all it was boring - I tend to snack when I am bored.

Now I am working in the high value component store which involves being stood up for around 6 hours per day but also involves quite a lot of lifting and carrying which has increased my excercise a hundredfold.

All of the above has contributed to my weight loss, and now quite a few people both at work and amongst my friends are commenting that they can tell that I have lost weight which is a huge boost to my confidence.

Sorry for the huge post - I didn't intend for anything like the size it has turned out to be.

Marcel
22-08-2006, 01:18
Braeden :clap: on not only your success, but also on such a good post :)

You sound just like me.

I was 22 stone in August 2004, due to a bout of depression (comfort eating, not going out etc etc). I was always big, but ballooned the extra 5 stone.
Anyway, I did pretty much everything that you described there. Made small changes, which when all added up made a HUGE difference.

I got down to 16st 7, however, I'm now back up to 18 7 and my old eating habits have returned (giving in to things, having a HUGE appetite, and snacking all the time, plus eating late etc etc).

Slowly but surely I am working on it, and posts like yours are an inspiration :thumbs: So waffle on with huge posts :)

Gemok, you've hit the nail on the head there. I think everything you said, I've also been taught in the past.
The key to sustained weight loss, is slow and steady. You didn't put it on overnight, so don't expect to lose it overnight.

The starvation thing is so true too, the body, for all its clever stuff, can actually be quite thick sometimes :nuts:.
The first thing I did when I started losing weight a couple of years ago, was have something to eat in the morning....When you wake up your body hasn't had any food for over 10 hours, so eating something, even if its just a piece of fruit, kickstarts your metabolism...You're then burning calories efficiently until lunch......whereas if you didnt eat any breakfast, then you would be storing calories and putting weight on until lunchtime....bit of a no brainer when you think about it really :D

Both of you, thanks for the posts :thumbs:

Janice
22-08-2006, 08:33
Yes, thank you everyone....some very interesting stuff there.
My weight gain was from depression also. Its a vicious circle, you put on weight because you're depressed, then because you're fat you dont go out but pig-out on snacks and watch TV......and get even fatter!

It was the initial habit-change that was difficult, from eating 2 bags of crisps and loads of kitkats of an evening....to an apple!
But the body is a creature of habit....and after about a week I had no urges to eat crisps or chocolate or cakes at all.

I have a bowl of Special K & red berries for breakfast, a crab-paste and cucumber sandwich with no butter for lunch and a normal dinner at night, but smaller than before. (when I say normal....not a fry up or anything..... just meat and veg.) In the evening I may have another bowl of Special K or maybe an apple.

My clothes feel miles better already....although I have another 1.5 stone to lose.

My husband bought a new set of scales at the weekend. They show us as being half a stone heavier than the old ones!!! :eek:

But like you said,. the actual weight doesnt matter, but how much you have actually LOST. and how better you look and feel.

I feel much brighter and happier now too,,, I think the junk food makes you dull and bored.

Good Luck everyone...keep persevering.....I am....so you can too! :) :) :)

P-E
22-08-2006, 08:51
Just like to say well done you guys that are losing the weight and sticking at it.

I can't really imagine what it is like as I am one of those that can eat as much & what as I want without affecting my weight......and the only exercise I get these days is hiking and in the bedroom;)

Well done you lot and keep it up!

ShawWellPete
22-08-2006, 09:44
I started cycling to work today. It's 8 miles in London, and I managed to get lost trying to follow a cycle route I downloaded. It took me over an hour rather than the 40 minutes I expected. The interesting thing is that I wore a heart rate monitor and I burned 650 calories, include the journey home and that'll be 1300 burned in aday...

SammyC
22-08-2006, 10:56
I started cycling to work today. It's 8 miles in London, and I managed to get lost trying to follow a cycle route I downloaded. It took me over an hour rather than the 40 minutes I expected. The interesting thing is that I wore a heart rate monitor and I burned 650 calories, include the journey home and that'll be 1300 burned in aday...

Excellent mate, that's what I do! You'll start getting quite competative with yourself on the commute PB (Personal Best)! :D

Gandhi
22-08-2006, 11:15
Some interesting reading here people!

On a slightly different note.....

I have an 18yr old pseudo step-daughter who's currently piling on the pounds. I know she is storing up trouble for the future but am at a complete loss as to what to do help.

Being teenager and compounded by the fact that I'm not her dad, I feel that anything I say will fall on deaf ears or worse, result in the usual 'I'm doing the opposite to what you say' reaction. We don't eat together as a family as she is mostly at her b/f's house and I don't live with her mother full-time yet.

Any suggestions parents/dieters?

Marcel
22-08-2006, 12:29
Hmm it's a tough one.

Are you close to her at all? In that do you have the right kind of relationship where you would be able to sit her down and say "Listen, I love you no matter what, but I'm really concerned with your health. It's not about you being fat or what you look like. I'm worried you're heading for really bad health problems later on in life, and you're young enough to do something about it now before its too late.

Maybe suggest a healthy eating plan? Get rid of all the crap around the house, so she can't snack on anything. Make it the norm around the house that fruit is the only available snack, and all meals that she *does* have at your house, are healthy ones. (OK, her house, but you see what I mean).
When you say piling on the pounds, how bad? Is she just getting a bit chubby, or is she REALLY eating alot?

It could also be that she's depressed or unhappy for whatever reason, and that she's comfort eating. Like I say, if you have the right sort of relationship to enable you to, then sit down with her and have a heart to heart. Reassure her that you and her mum love her and you are simply concerned about her welfare. If it's approached with care, rather than control in mind, then she will most likely react positively.

If you find you get nowhere, pop on over to www.raisingkids.co.uk I'm a moderator over there and there are literally 1000's of parents over there, alot with kids the same age who have tackled exactly the same problem. :thumbs:

(My eldest is 7 so I'm only going of what I would do :))

SammyC
22-08-2006, 12:38
As has been said before, weight control is a balance of food in and effort out.

So, is she getting enough exercise? If you're serious about becoming part of her life (by becoming part of her mum's life) then how about a shared activity? This has the advantage of helping you two bond as well as increasing her fitness.

Also, maybe also help you increase yours? Maybe that's how to suggest it, as in, I'm thinking of doing some exercise cos' I'm unfit, how about you come along and give me some encouragement to make sure I don't slack off? A good one for this is you run whilst she cycles.

ShawWellPete
22-08-2006, 13:05
Gandhi,

I would be incredibly careful what you say. If I know anything about teenage girls (I had two sisters and a stepfather) she will not thank you for the advice, and it could create a huge amount on tension.

I would concentrate on making her happy, comfortable and confident in herself. Pay her lots of compliments and don't suggest there is anything wrong with how she looks. If anything speak to her mother and see if she wants to talk to her.

I hope you don't mind me throwing in my two penneth...

Gandhi
22-08-2006, 20:06
Cheers for the feedback guys.

I'm not that close to her alas. As she's been brought up entirely by her mum until I came on the scene 2 years or so ago, she's as fiercely independant as her mum so tends to take most things with a pinch of salt unless it comes from her ma.

I had a bit of a chat with kell about it this afternoon, and she agrees that something needs to be done, so kell is gonna try and steer her in the right direction, this may involve limiting the amount of time she spends with her boyfriend as it's only since she's been seeing him the problem has arisen. His mother and two sisters also fall into the 'obese' category alas. That will be the final straw though as it's just gonna create conflict. For the moment it's gonna be hugs and support and lead by example.


Bugger.

I may have to join the gym.

InaGlo
22-08-2006, 21:35
this may involve limiting the amount of time she spends with her boyfriend as it's only since she's been seeing him the problem has arisen.
Just a thought but, do you know if is she taking the contraceptive pill?
Both my sisters put on weight very fast when they began taking the pill in their late teens.

SammyC
23-08-2006, 08:32
Isn't that balanced out by the extra exercise that encourages? :D

Janice
23-08-2006, 10:55
Typical!! ;)

minimeeze
03-09-2006, 16:48
So peeops... how are we all doing?
I've been very good, even got my bod down to the gym twice this week :D Total weight loss to date is 10lb - about another 7lb to go and I'll be one happy bunny ;)

Marcel
03-09-2006, 17:25
Well I weighed myself this morning, and I'm 18st 5, which is a 2lb loss.

BUT, I've been going for the heavier weights at the gym and lower reps, which means bulking up. So hopefully things should fit a little less wobbly , but the weight wont drop as quick as it could.

digitalfailure
03-09-2006, 19:44
So peeops... how are we all doing?
I've been very good, even got my bod down to the gym twice this week :D Total weight loss to date is 10lb - about another 7lb to go and I'll be one happy bunny ;)


we'll need full length images to confirm the loss though ;)

InaGlo
03-09-2006, 20:29
we'll need full length images to confirm the loss though ;)

You blooming perv DF ... you'll use any excuse to see Min full frontal! :eek:

No change for me, I have to admit I havent really tried too hard. :thumbsdown:
The exercise machine I was going to get fell by the wayside in preference to photography gear, so it serves me right really.

digitalfailure
03-09-2006, 20:50
Glo,

I'm both shocked and saddened by that remark :cry:

Images don't have to be frontal :D



My mass has been pretty much consistant throughout this whole thread.....I don't think the marshmallow and haribo diet is working for me.

h.r.ford
03-09-2006, 21:12
Hey guys. As I'm new here I just found this. Well I used to be in the US Army and while never skinny I was fit. But after my son I have just poured on the pounds and now am considered "obese". I've started with Paul McKenna and I also have my own hypnotist. I've been changing my habits slowly and at week 3 I've gone down one size. I don't weight myself as at my weight that is just discouraging but I think the support ofsomething like this could only help! So hopefully you will be happy to have me along.

Cheers
Renee

minimeeze
03-09-2006, 21:59
You are more than welcome Renee. Well done on shedding a dress size already :clap:

Marcel
04-09-2006, 02:04
Paul McKenna. I went through his book and audio CD and found it great.

The only problem I had was sticking to it...but when I was 'doing' it, it was good, it actually worked in reducing portion sizes etc

Braeden
04-09-2006, 08:48
a slow 2 weeks for me ( I didn't weigh myself last week as I was on holiday)

only 2lb loss but still 26lb in total.

Back into it this week though for a proper weight loss i hope

Janice
04-09-2006, 09:23
I tried Paul McKenna....but when he tried to stop you craving something you love (like chocolate) it didnt work....cos I couldnt decide what to use, as I love everything!!! :D

Ive lost 17lb in total since we started this.

Ive had 3 people notice Ive lost weight.
My jeans are baggy, 2 holes tighter on my belt, my tshirts fit better...

Its certainly a wonderful feeling...and I feel 100% better in myself (which is also probably from eating better foods and less junk). (might be able to come off the Prozac soon :thumbs: )

SO glad I started doing this. And for our founder....how ya doin, Boon? ;)

minimeeze
04-09-2006, 18:01
Wow Janice, that's great :clap: I feel great having lost just 10lb, so I bet you must be feeling amazing!

Braeden
04-09-2006, 19:55
big congrats to both Janice and minimeeze :thumbs: :clap:

minimeeze
05-09-2006, 07:16
big congrats to both Janice and minimeeze :thumbs: :clap:

And to you as well Braeden for a stunning 26lb loss - that's suberb :clap: Are you feeling alot better in yourself?

Braeden
05-09-2006, 09:50
I am, but I have a long way to go yet - another 74lb in total...

I think when I'm half way there i'll be a little happier.

Marcel
05-09-2006, 10:15
That's fantastic for you three (two girls and Braeden).

Have you all got any tips, how you've been coping? What you've been doing? Any meal ideas? etc

Braeden
05-09-2006, 10:52
I made a post here (http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=115527&postcount=212) detailing what i have been doing.

As for how I have been coping, well last week was hard because I was not at work all week so the temptation was there to eat more hence my slow weight loss. I must admit I am struggling at the moment due to various stresses I am trying to deal with all at once, but I won't stop now that I have come this far.

Marcel
05-09-2006, 12:48
You sound just like me. The problem areas you highlighted are where I've been falling over too. Snacking on the wrong foods, eating late at night, and more importantly, portion control.

So what weight are you now? By my reckoning you should be at a similar point to me. If you are, we could use each other as motivation :)

I'm 18st 5 as of yesterday.

Braeden
05-09-2006, 13:10
I'm down to 18st 9 as of yesterday morning.

i'm hoping for a good week this week though :thumbs:

SammyC
05-09-2006, 14:06
Can I offer a word of warning to people on here, be very aware of what effect the shorter days will have on your motivation.

I find it's easy to find the time/inclination to go our for a walk etc when the evenings are nice and light, however as the evenings start to draw in my motivation to get up off the sofa and DO something also retreats!

I think being aware of this effect is half the battle. :)

Marcel
05-09-2006, 17:22
:thumbs: @ Braeden.

Then I think I'll use you as my motivation if you don't mind mate :D

Sammy, I'm the opposite. I'm a night owl by nature, so I expect my motivation to increase.
I love going out for walks when its dark......

minimeeze
05-09-2006, 18:05
Marcel, I've been following the Slimming World plan as I find it sensible - I can eat loads and not feel hungry, and I can still have stuff like chips & chocolate :D and go out for meals without feeling restricted.
Being female, there are certain times when I really struggle as all I want is stodge and chocolate ;) My diet has certainly changed for the better and I'm eating very healthily, with lots of fresh fruit and vegetables, and trips to the gym when I can manage to fit it all in a day!

SammyC
06-09-2006, 09:47
Sammy, I'm the opposite. I'm a night owl by nature, so I expect my motivation to increase.
I love going out for walks when its dark......

Ah, I'm a morning person. I don't want to be but I tend to wake up at about 7:30 each day and have to get up as I'm usually wide awake within about 15 minutes. :(

Missus can sleep for Wales, the bugger! :D

Marcel
06-09-2006, 10:00
My missus can sleep for England! (Or Wales, or any other country for that matter). I really do envy her, because she can go to bed at whatever time she pleased, and within minutes of shutting her eyes, she's away with the fairies.

Me? I need to be almost comatose and falling asleep on my feet before I get into bed, otherwise I just cant get to sleep.

Even though I'm a night owl, and I love it. I really do wish I was a morning person. I can get up for sunrises and planned events should I need to though.
One of my ex bosses, she was an early bird. She used to get into work at about 5am bright and breezy and get loads done. Id love to be able to do that.
I love the early morning, when no one else is around, the sun's coming up...fresh pot of coffee or mug of tea is on, birds are singing, I've just had a shower, and I'm getting loads of things done before anyone wakes up....One of my really great feelings :D

However, due to me being a night owl, I don't get to bed until late (I'm one of those who finds it really hard to get an early night :( Wish I could ***)...which means if I get up early, I'm falling asleep come 9am. lol

Oz
06-09-2006, 12:56
I picked up on this thread late, lol! I'd been dieting seriously the first half of this year and lost 5 stone. I've taking a well earned break and am just starting back on it again. Only another 2 stone to go....

Marcel
06-09-2006, 14:22
Thats fantastic mate.

What was your start weight / current weight? etc?
Methods?