I (didnt) Won Charlie Waites Landscape Photographer of the Year 2012 LPOTY - Page 7

Byker28i · 31-10-2012, 19:09

The Mirror website has a nice sized gallery of the winning images:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-white-1404417

cannockwolf · 31-10-2012, 19:09 **Thread Starter**

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Originally Posted by Neil B

Great images David and you deserve the win

thanks Neil

alexnail · 31-10-2012, 19:11

Anyway unless someone makes a totally unjustified comment I will let this thread be. I know I haven't come out well here, but maybe that is better than censorship.

cannockwolf · 31-10-2012, 19:12 **Thread Starter**

Has anyone got access to the sunday times magazine online subscription service? is it spectrum or something? Someone mentioned to me they saw on there that the winning images would be printed in the 4th nov edition but i cant get in to see, i wasted £7.50 on 3 issues last sunday pmsl im not giving them anymore money unless im in it

if someone could have a looksee that would be great

Byker28i · 31-10-2012, 19:29

Spectrum is the section in the sunday times magazine that covers photographers past and present. Probably worth spending the £1.50 and getting the sunday paper.

cannockwolf · 31-10-2012, 19:32 **Thread Starter**

They said on that online it mentioned the winning image being in the magazine this Sunday but they seal the mags in bags that's how I got done last time, just thought someone could confirm/deny it for me

timparkin · 31-10-2012, 19:35

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Originally Posted by cannockwolf

you have based your opinion on a google van shot from a different area and different angle and pov in between a housing estate, everbody knows the things has been pp'd to within an inch of its life, it was deliberate. I did it 2 years ago.

why is tim gunning for me cos of that? why has he drawn technical drawings with field of view lines like its an fbi investigation?

if its in a category where anything goes and was only commended wont be in any limelight like winning, why does he care?

Why do I care about landscape photography and telling the truth... err, I dunno..

Seriously though - people care a lot about landscape photography so don't be surprised that there is discussion about this...

In terms of lines on images - it was a lot easier than describing it - its basic graphic design really. You know what I mean?

Tim

Byker28i · 31-10-2012, 19:36

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Originally Posted by alexnail

Anyway unless someone makes a totally unjustified comment I will let this thread be. I know I haven't come out well here, but maybe that is better than censorship.

Alex, perhaps you feel this way to some, but for me it's provoked an interesting discussion around image manipulation and some further thoughts towards a learning log entry, so for that reason I thank you.

Whether people feel you are right or wrong (and there seems to be some on either side ), if you hadn't raised the issue then this would simply have been a page or two of congrats. By discussing the images further, there's been more people seen the images (and others), people have learnt of other photographers and a further discussion towards techniques, morales, image manipulation etc than would ever have been.

Provided it's kept civil (but I'd prefer people to strongly argue their case), surely that is where the real strength of a forum such as TP in pushing forward knowledge of all aspects of photography, not just 'nice shot'.

Edit: Anyway aren't photo comps suppose to court controversy e.g. Taylor Wessing portrait?

Byker28i · 31-10-2012, 19:37

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Originally Posted by cannockwolf

They said on that online it mentioned the winning image being in the magazine this Sunday but they seal the mags in bags that's how I got done last time, just thought someone could confirm/deny it for me

It's the only paper I buy every week, so I'll keep an eye out.

cannockwolf · 31-10-2012, 19:40 **Thread Starter**

Ta

cannockwolf · 31-10-2012, 19:48 **Thread Starter**

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Originally Posted by timparkin

Why do I care about landscape photography and telling the truth... err, I dunno..

Seriously though - people care a lot about landscape photography so don't be surprised that there is discussion about this...

In terms of lines on images - it was a lot easier than describing it - its basic graphic design really. You know what I mean?

Tim

It boils down to you like record shots 100% sooc and I like artist interpretation, two valid views but you seem to want to devalue mine, why is my view wrong? Why shouldn't my way of interpretating things win awards?

Your talking of minor changes like im recreating a completely new scene, I have done that btw, one of my pics on my website is completely fictional, I didn't enter it in the competition btw before you run back to your blog with a scoop

Madhouseof5 · 31-10-2012, 19:57

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Originally Posted by cannockwolf

two actually, you can see the towers perfectly fine from that spot

No you can't.

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Originally Posted by cannockwolf

but people are saying they are not there!

I certainly never implied they weren't there, nor did anyone else that I could see. I do apologise for my assumption that the towers should have been behind you from the angle you photographed the tree. I live in Rugeley so took a visit myself the other day and found that you would indeed have been facing the power station. However, no matter where I stood in that field, I could NOT get a clear shot of the towers on the right of the tree without obstructions from power cables, streetlights, roofs, hedgerows and trees and the configuration of the towers is all wrong from there.

I have no issue with images being manipulated or composite images. I also have no issues with replicating an image if I liked the original and putting my own spin on it. I like your image, manipulation or not. If it was possible to take it as a single image, I'm pretty darn sure someone would have done it by now and I would have tried it myself as they are 2 of my favourite things to photograph in Rugeley.

This was the best I could do without a wide angle lens and holding the camera above my head as I'm a shorty. I admit, yours is much better.

cannockwolf · 31-10-2012, 20:00 **Thread Starter**

i can see the towers fine in that pic, thanks for proving they were not behind me to the right as you said, like i said i dont do record shots

i hope this clears this issue up

edit: although i can see a bit more of the towers in my original

Ulfric M Douglas · 31-10-2012, 20:08

Kerry that's a good post.
Not so much of an impressive view when you're limited to a photograph of stuff that's actually there ...

Madhouseof5 · 31-10-2012, 20:09

LOL! Like I said..... I'm short! Should have got my step ladders out of the car, doubt it would raise eyebrows.

cannockwolf · 31-10-2012, 20:09 **Thread Starter**

which picture shall we do next delemere? lol

i reckon there is a yeti in there somewhere

timparkin · 31-10-2012, 20:40

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Originally Posted by cannockwolf

It boils down to you like record shots 100% sooc and I like artist interpretation, two valid views but you seem to want to devalue mine, why is my view wrong? Why shouldn't my way of interpretating things win awards?

I'm just pointing out that I think the image is a composite as many people won't know this. The fact that it is a composite is interesting to some people.

As I've said in my blog post, I think your image is fine - in fact this is what I said

"one person has won an award with a very good image. There is nothing wrong with this at all and whether the image passes all of the criteria for the competition is a matter for the judges – they presumably have done their homework. David Byrne is a very good photographer and he should be very happy that he has won such a prestigious award."

My issue is with the consideration of composite images alongside non-composite images (as a point of fact I hardly ever use images straight out of camera although I don't go as far as compositing elements from one image to another).

In order to highlight that certain images are composites I use a little bit of evidence based research. Now it seems that you have no problem with the fact that you prefer 'artistic interpretation' so why is there a problem with me pointing out what that 'artistic interpretation' is?

I think you're taking an analysis of your pictures and a critique of the competition very personally and, as I've said before, this isn't what is intended and I'm sorry you feel that way. You should be very happy you've won what is a very prominent competition. My opinons of the competition shouldn't matter a jot to you..

To expand a little on my personal viewpoint - I don't have a problem with 'composite' images but I wouldn't want them to be in the same category as 'straight' images in a landscape photography composition. There are many points on the line between 'straight out of camera' (which is only really possible with transparency film anyway) and completely fabricated images (take a look at http://www.tristancampbell.co.uk/blog/?tag=artwork - should this be allowed in take a view?). The biggest demarcation for me is the point at which the image departs from the basic truth of a scene through the removal, relocation or addition of major elements of the scene. I may be alone in this opinion but I think I'm probably not.

Tim

cannockwolf · 31-10-2012, 20:50 **Thread Starter**

if the towers were not there and i added them then i would agree with you, but they are there so we will have to agree to disagree,

if you was on the receiving end of this attention were people keep saying its nothing about you BUT... then other forums pic up on half of what you and alex said and their comments start to get personal, apparently peter clark should be suing me on one forum. Then there's some nasty emails i got, not many admittedly, but i shouldn't have had any, if that was you on the receiving end you would let it get a little personal im sure.

Luckily im quite strong minded ive been on forums for years and understand the mentality of 'keyboard warriors' and can throw the comments away relatively easily.

I have on the other hand had a lot of supportive emails that far outway the negative, so i know these are in these people are in the minority

gramps · 31-10-2012, 20:58

Surely the whole issue is that the photos were submitted in a competition with judges and whatever anyone thinks the old adage "The judges decision is final" applies - so I really don't understand why anyone would be attacking the photographer

timparkin · 31-10-2012, 20:58

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Originally Posted by cannockwolf

if the towers were not there and i added them then i would agree with you, but they are there so we will have to agree to disagree,

So you categorically say that the chimney's image is not a composite of two different photographs?

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if you was on the receiving end of this attention were people keep saying its nothing about you BUT... then other forums pic up on half of what you and alex said and their comments start to get personal, apparently peter clark should be suing me on one forum. Then there's some nasty emails i got, not many admittedly, but i shouldn't have had any, if that was you on the receiving end you would let it get a little personal im sure.

No I wouldn't - I would be thinking about the £11k I had just won and the publcity I had got and that everyone else can just **** off :-)

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Luckily im quite strong minded ive been on forums for years and understand the mentality of 'keyboard warriors' and can throw the comments away relatively easily.

So what's the problem? And if I'm only pointing out what I see as facts then why have a go at me and not at other people?

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I have on the other hand had a lot of supportive emails that far outway the negative, so i know these are in these people are in the minority

That's fantastic!! You can add my support as I think you've made a great shot and that took talent. So there really isn't much of an issue then?

Tim

cannockwolf · 31-10-2012, 21:11 **Thread Starter**

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Originally Posted by timparkin

That's fantastic!! You can add my support as I think you've made a great shot and that took talent. So there really isn't much of an issue then?
Tim

lets leave it there then or were going to go round in circles

Byker28i · 31-10-2012, 21:13

Culture show bbc2 on now, says it has the national galleries first photographic exhibition.
Isn't that where these winning photos are going to be shown in November?

cannockwolf · 31-10-2012, 21:14 **Thread Starter**

no its the national theatre mate

milou · 31-10-2012, 21:17

National Theatre, South Bank: http://www.take-a-view.co.uk/news.htm#News120612C

Byker28i · 31-10-2012, 21:17

On now. I got a little excited there

cannockwolf · 31-10-2012, 21:20 **Thread Starter**

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Originally Posted by Byker28i

On now. I got a little excited there

i made this mistake when i told my dad the news, had to go back and say err no it the theatre lol

Laudrup · 31-10-2012, 23:14

Well done on the award, your black and white pics on this forum in the landscape forum are excellent too. Don't get concerned with the jealousy and envy, haters gonna hate as the saying goes!

graphilly · 31-10-2012, 23:42

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Originally Posted by timparkin

So you categorically say that the chimney's image is not a composite of two different photographs?

Well with everything presented as it is I think you and I could well be in the the same camp and are of the belief it is a composite.

ianmarsh · 01-11-2012, 09:39

An excellent set of shots Dave, well done.

gpc1 · 01-11-2012, 13:38

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Originally Posted by cannockwolf

Ive just had an email to say im getting featured in a german photograhic magazine for winning a gold PSA medal in germany, its this photo along with the other winners but mine will be a full page print, ive seen the mockup but they said i cant post it online yet until it goes to print

I enter amateur club exhibitions round the world, no money prizes just medals, lpoty was the first money comp i entered actually.

Right, this is the final straw! I have been to that mud hole and the 2 blokes werent there. Nor was it that muddy. From whatever angle i stood at i couldnt find the blokes or the mud. This must be a composite of another mud hole and other blokes. Not only that, unless this is being published in 'Blokes jump in muddy puddle weekly' it shouldnt be used.

Also - every year at leigh on sea they have the annual mud flat race. I have seen many pictures of blokes in muddy puddles and therefor i think you have blatantly copied these for your own personal gain and we should all be carefull as you are obviously after world domination (like an evil james bond baddie) with your photos of things that arent there !!!

31-10-2012, 19:09	#181
Byker28i Loves the place Location: Swindon Posts: 6,497 Camera: Canon 50D	The Mirror website has a nice sized gallery of the winning images: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-white-1404417 __________________ Do something worth remembering, with a photograph or a scar.

31-10-2012, 19:11	#183
alexnail Been here a while Real name : Alex Nail Location: Peter Tavy, Devon Posts: 257 Camera: Canon 5D mkII	Anyway unless someone makes a totally unjustified comment I will let this thread be. I know I haven't come out well here, but maybe that is better than censorship. __________________ http://www.alexnail.com - Landscape photography of Dartmoor and Devon

31-10-2012, 19:12 Thread Starter	#184
cannockwolf Feet under the table Real name : Dave Location: Cannock Posts: 2,460 Camera: Nikon D700, D300, D200 IR	Has anyone got access to the sunday times magazine online subscription service? is it spectrum or something? Someone mentioned to me they saw on there that the winning images would be printed in the 4th nov edition but i cant get in to see, i wasted £7.50 on 3 issues last sunday pmsl im not giving them anymore money unless im in it if someone could have a looksee that would be great __________________ Dave 85mm \|\| MonoLandscapes \|\| Flckr \|\| 500px \|\| 1x

31-10-2012, 20:00 Thread Starter	#193
cannockwolf Feet under the table Real name : Dave Location: Cannock Posts: 2,460 Camera: Nikon D700, D300, D200 IR	i can see the towers fine in that pic, thanks for proving they were not behind me to the right as you said, like i said i dont do record shots i hope this clears this issue up edit: although i can see a bit more of the towers in my original Last edited by cannockwolf; 31-10-2012 at 20:08.

31-10-2012, 20:58	#199
gramps Growing roots Location: UK Posts: 8,565 Camera: Nikon D3s & D800	Surely the whole issue is that the photos were submitted in a competition *with judges* and whatever anyone thinks the old adage "The judges decision is final" applies - so I really don't understand why anyone would be attacking the photographer __________________ I like taking photos and I know what I like, I'm not a professional photographer. If I offer feedback on your photos it's just as I see them and because I am trying to give friendly support and help. I hope you will do the same.

31-10-2012, 19:29	#185
Byker28i Loves the place Location: Swindon Posts: 6,497 Camera: Canon 50D	Spectrum is the section in the sunday times magazine that covers photographers past and present. Probably worth spending the £1.50 and getting the sunday paper.

31-10-2012, 19:32 Thread Starter	#186
cannockwolf Feet under the table Real name : Dave Location: Cannock Posts: 2,460 Camera: Nikon D700, D300, D200 IR	They said on that online it mentioned the winning image being in the magazine this Sunday but they seal the mags in bags that's how I got done last time, just thought someone could confirm/deny it for me

31-10-2012, 19:40 Thread Starter	#190
cannockwolf Feet under the table Real name : Dave Location: Cannock Posts: 2,460 Camera: Nikon D700, D300, D200 IR	Ta

31-10-2012, 20:08	#194
Ulfric M Douglas Forum Regular Location: Northumbria Posts: 942	Kerry that's a good post. Not so much of an impressive view when you're limited to a photograph of stuff that's actually there ...

31-10-2012, 20:09	#195
Madhouseof5 Getting Comfy Real name : Kerry Location: South Staffs, UK Posts: 247 Camera: D3s & D300	LOL! Like I said..... I'm short! Should have got my step ladders out of the car, doubt it would raise eyebrows.

31-10-2012, 20:09 Thread Starter	#196
cannockwolf Feet under the table Real name : Dave Location: Cannock Posts: 2,460 Camera: Nikon D700, D300, D200 IR	which picture shall we do next delemere? lol i reckon there is a yeti in there somewhere

31-10-2012, 20:50 Thread Starter	#198
cannockwolf Feet under the table Real name : Dave Location: Cannock Posts: 2,460 Camera: Nikon D700, D300, D200 IR	if the towers were not there and i added them then i would agree with you, but they are there so we will have to agree to disagree, if you was on the receiving end of this attention were people keep saying its nothing about you BUT... then other forums pic up on half of what you and alex said and their comments start to get personal, apparently peter clark should be suing me on one forum. Then there's some nasty emails i got, not many admittedly, but i shouldn't have had any, if that was you on the receiving end you would let it get a little personal im sure. Luckily im quite strong minded ive been on forums for years and understand the mentality of 'keyboard warriors' and can throw the comments away relatively easily. I have on the other hand had a lot of supportive emails that far outway the negative, so i know these are in these people are in the minority

31-10-2012, 21:13	#202
Byker28i Loves the place Location: Swindon Posts: 6,497 Camera: Canon 50D	Culture show bbc2 on now, says it has the national galleries first photographic exhibition. Isn't that where these winning photos are going to be shown in November?

31-10-2012, 21:14 Thread Starter	#203
cannockwolf Feet under the table Real name : Dave Location: Cannock Posts: 2,460 Camera: Nikon D700, D300, D200 IR	no its the national theatre mate

31-10-2012, 21:17	#204
milou Forum Regular Location: Coast hugging Posts: 1,205	National Theatre, South Bank: http://www.take-a-view.co.uk/news.htm#News120612C

31-10-2012, 21:17	#205
Byker28i Loves the place Location: Swindon Posts: 6,497 Camera: Canon 50D	On now. I got a little excited there

31-10-2012, 23:14	#207
Laudrup Forum Regular Posts: 1,481	Well done on the award, your black and white pics on this forum in the landscape forum are excellent too. Don't get concerned with the jealousy and envy, haters gonna hate as the saying goes!

01-11-2012, 09:39	#209
ianmarsh Feet under the table Location: The smoke Posts: 1,783 Camera: Fuji XPro1	An excellent set of shots Dave, well done.