NO TRIPODS - LONDON

EdinburghGary · 28-10-2008, 13:26

Canary Wharf, I kid you not. Taken from another thread, what the hell do you make of it? I laughed at the guy a lot, I had to.

I came out of Canary Wharf underground, and put my tripod on the ground. Took 3 or 4 shots, before an out of breath security guard approached...

"Excuse me Sir, what are you taking photos of?"

"That big Sky Scraper, the HSBC one"

"Why?"

"I'm from Edinburgh, we don't have Sky Scrapers"

"Is it commercial?"

"I guess so, HSBC own it"

"No, I mean your photos"

"No, unless you want to buy them?"

"You need a permit"

"Why?"

"Because you are using a Tripod"

"Oh....ok. Can I take photos without the tripod?"

"yes."

"Thanks"

And I did

Richard Peters · 28-10-2008, 13:29

You get the same thing at the London Eye.

Rob.Marsh · 28-10-2008, 13:29

Think that sums up my thoughts!

garymercer · 28-10-2008, 13:29

LOL. What is the world coming to???

If you stuck your monopod up yer rear end would you need a permit as you would then be a human tripod

GarynLea · 28-10-2008, 13:29

Hahaha another jobsworth who was clutching at straws after making the initial complaint.

Flash In The Pan · 28-10-2008, 13:33

I got the same down at the Science Centre in Glasgow a few weeks back, doing a shoot and this wee naff in a peaked hat waddles over and tells us we can't take pictures there as it's private property

Just Dave · 28-10-2008, 13:34

nice one Gary, you should have asked about monpods

OutLore · 28-10-2008, 13:34

I wonder if monopods are OK? Or one of those pieces of wood with string attached to it?

This whole thing makes me laugh - I really want to take some pics in the Underground, which I know I need to have permission for, and to a certain extent I can understand but the London Eye? What if you are on the other side of the river? Are they going to run across the bridge and stop you?

EdinburghGary · 28-10-2008, 13:35 **Thread Starter**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash In The Pan

I got the same down at the Science Centre in Glasgow a few weeks back, doing a shoot and this wee naff in a peaked hat waddles over and tells us we can't take pictures there as it's private property

Assholes, I mean wtf do they think we are gonna do with the photos?

Gary.

Rob.Marsh · 28-10-2008, 13:35

My serious reply now,

How about emailing the HR/Security Dep at the HSBC tower, and asking for a permit for a tripod ready for the weekend?

"To Whom it may concern,

Last weekend I was visiting Canary Wharf to take photo's, as where I am from we don't have Skyscrapers. I was told by a security guard of yours that I needed a permit for the tripod I was using, but I could continue taking hand held pictures.

I'd like to apply for a permit for as I want to take a shot using f32, 8 second exposure at iso 100, and this is only going to be achived with a tripod as Camera shake when taking a picture handheld will make it impossible............................"

I'd love to see the response!!!!

Jimmy_Lemon · 28-10-2008, 13:35

You will get the same thing anywhere, and have done for years. Tripods are a 'trip hazard' and with lovely health and safety you need a permit/insurance to erect one in a public place. Police will move you on anywhere if they see you.

EdinburghGary · 28-10-2008, 13:36 **Thread Starter**

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutLore

I wonder if monopods are OK? Or one of those pieces of wood with string attached to it?

This whole thing makes me laugh - I really want to take some pics in the Underground, which I know I need to have permission for, and to a certain extent I can understand but the London Eye? What if you are on the other side of the river? Are they going to run across the bridge and stop you?

I read somewhere if you take a photo of the Skyline, and the London Eye makes up a significant feature, you cannot sell it, as it belongs to the owners of the Eye....

Is that ******** or not, is this a "property release" question?

Crazy either way, "London Skyline, Copyright British Airways" or whoever it is...

Gary.

Betty · 28-10-2008, 13:36

What a load of ********

Flash In The Pan · 28-10-2008, 13:37

EdinburghGary · 28-10-2008, 13:37 **Thread Starter**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob.7wood

My serious reply now,

How about emailing the HR/Security Dep at the HSBC tower, and asking for a permit for a tripod ready for the weekend?

"To Whom it may concern,

Last weekend I was visiting Canary Wharf to take photo's, as where I am from we don't have Skyscrapers. I was told by a security guard of yours that I needed a permit for the tripod I was using, but I could continue taking hand held pictures.

I'd like to apply for a permit for as I want to take a shot using f32, 8 second exposure at iso 100, and this is only going to be achived with a tripod as Camera shake when taking a picture handheld will make it impossible............................"

I'd love to see the response!!!!

Consider it done.

Gary.

Just Dave · 28-10-2008, 13:40

Just remembered, Gary when you and I, asked about cameras in the Blackpool pleasure beach if you remember the guard said you need a camera pass, but was unsure were to get one

Rob.Marsh · 28-10-2008, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdinburghGary

Consider it done.

Gary.

Ajophotog · 28-10-2008, 13:48

Maybe tripod companies should add a disclaimer to their products stating only to be used by commercial photographers in bult up areas. Thanks for the chuckle Gary

garymercer · 28-10-2008, 13:49

Maybe we need to get some of those yellow signs made up like those used by cleaners for slippery surfaces etc...

EDIT : Oh and some tape that says "TRIPOD LINE, DO NOT CROSS"

lookup · 28-10-2008, 13:52

Time for the monopod disguised as a walking stick trick...

Rob.Marsh · 28-10-2008, 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by garymercer

Maybe we need to get some of those yellow signs made up like those used by cleaners for slippery surfaces etc...

and wrap the legs of the tripod in hazard tape, have an ornage beacon underneath it......

Cynergy · 28-10-2008, 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdinburghGary

Consider it done.

Gary.

Please do keep us updated on the reply

garymercer · 28-10-2008, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob.7wood

and wrap the legs of the tripod in hazard tape, have an ornage beacon underneath it......

And some flashing light on your head too, just to be on the safe side!!

petemc · 28-10-2008, 13:59

I actually have the insurance to cover me so I can simply show them that and then see what they say. What you should do is lift the tripod off the ground and ask if thats ok. Its still technically there and some dumbass could walk into it but its not on their property. What if you fold the legs up so its a monopod? What if you put 3 monopods together? What if you use a chair? Perhaps take the **** and use one of those teeny tiny table top tripods. Get a gorillapod and fix it to the security guard using himself as a tripod so that he then has to escort himself off the property.

fabs · 28-10-2008, 14:02

Ah the old health and safety angle! On the way home on Sunday, I was stuck on a packed stationary Northern Line train for 15 minutes in incredible heat feeling very ill. Where was health and Safety then? Or is it only when it suits 'em!

Rob.Marsh · 28-10-2008, 14:05

I actually think H&S is quoted in situations like this in the hope that people subdued as it sounds official.

I wonder if anywhere in Canary Wharf PLC's H&S files it actually bans the use of tripods without a permit? That would mean that a risk assesment has been done etc etc.
I am thinking its unlikely!

Yantorsen · 28-10-2008, 14:06

I got the same inside a Mosque in spain

EdinburghGary · 28-10-2008, 14:09 **Thread Starter**

OK, email sent:

Hello,

Recently on a visit to Canary Wharf, I was approached by security in the middle of taking a photo of the HSBC tower. Unfortunately this photo was ruined, as the security guard stopped in front of my setup before I had completed my exposure. He indicated that in order to take photos, I would need to apply for a tripod permit. I tried to explain that a tripod was merely a device for holding photographic equipment steady, this drew blanks. I asked if I could place my tripod on the ground, and hand hold my Camera to take the photos, and he agreed this would not be a problem. I then asked if I could get my wife to kneel on the ground, bent over in a "table like" position, and he agreed that this would not be a problem. My wife reluctantly agreed to replace my tripod, and become my "human camera stabiliser". Before security and I parted company, he informed that I could apply for a "Tripod Permit", hence my email. Can you organise for a Tripod Permit to be issued? I would like to drive back down from Edinburgh to get that photo of the HSBC tower, without security this time. The angle of the photo I require is such, that my wife bent over is of no use. If you could let me know where I can collect my tripod permit, I would appreciate it.

Regards,

Gary.

Jimmy_Lemon · 28-10-2008, 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdinburghGary

OK, email sent:

Hello,

Recently on a visit to Canary Wharf, I was approached by security in the middle of taking a photo of the HSBC tower. Unfortunately this photo was ruined, as the security guard stopped in front of my setup before I had completed my exposure. He indicated that in order to take photos, I would need to apply for a tripod permit. I tried to explain that a tripod was merely a device for holding photographic equipment steady, this drew blanks. I asked if I could place my tripod on the ground, and hand hold my Camera to take the photos, and he agreed this would not be a problem. I then asked if I could get my wife to kneel on the ground, bent over in a "table like" position, and he agreed that this would not be a problem. My wife reluctantly agreed to replace my tripod, and become my "human camera stabiliser". Before security and I parted company, he informed that I could apply for a "Tripod Permit", hence my email. Can you organise for a Tripod Permit to be issued? I would like to drive back down from Edinburgh to get that photo of the HSBC tower, without security this time. The angle of the photo I require is such, that my wife bent over is of no use. If you could let me know where I can collect my tripod permit, I would appreciate it.

Regards,

Gary.

Genius!

Rob.Marsh · 28-10-2008, 14:13

Superb!!!!

Love it, and I have no doubt will have one of two outcomes. 1) it will get ignored or 2) kick off a hilarious chain of communication, resulting in no permit anyway.

28-10-2008, 13:26	#1
EdinburghGary A child Real name : Gary Location: Edinburgh Posts: 18,217 Camera: Nikon D3, Nikon D200, Fuji S5 Pro, Canon G9, 6x7MF iTrader: (2)	NO TRIPODS - LONDON Canary Wharf, I kid you not. Taken from another thread, what the hell do you make of it? I laughed at the guy a lot, I had to. I came out of Canary Wharf underground, and put my tripod on the ground. Took 3 or 4 shots, before an out of breath security guard approached... "Excuse me Sir, what are you taking photos of?" "That big Sky Scraper, the HSBC one" "Why?" "I'm from Edinburgh, we don't have Sky Scrapers" "Is it commercial?" "I guess so, HSBC own it" "No, I mean your photos" "No, unless you want to buy them?" "You need a permit" "Why?" "Because you are using a Tripod" "Oh....ok. Can I take photos without the tripod?" "yes." "Thanks" And I did __________________ Last edited by EdinburghGary; 28-10-2008 at 13:29.

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28-10-2008, 13:29	#4
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OutLore Forum Regular Real name : Spencer Location: Essex, UK & Fort Worth, TX, US Posts: 1,494 Camera: D200 which now focuses correctly :) iTrader: (9)	I wonder if monopods are OK? Or one of those pieces of wood with string attached to it? This whole thing makes me laugh - I really want to take some pics in the Underground, which I know I need to have permission for, and to a certain extent I can understand but the London Eye? What if you are on the other side of the river? Are they going to run across the bridge and stop you? __________________ _____OutLore______

28-10-2008, 13:35	#10
Rob.Marsh Feet under the table Real name : Rob Marsh Location: East Grinstead Posts: 1,552 Camera: Samsung GX-10 iTrader: (5)	My serious reply now, How about emailing the HR/Security Dep at the HSBC tower, and asking for a permit for a tripod ready for the weekend? "To Whom it may concern, Last weekend I was visiting Canary Wharf to take photo's, as where I am from we don't have Skyscrapers. I was told by a security guard of yours that I needed a permit for the tripod I was using, but I could continue taking hand held pictures. I'd like to apply for a permit for as I want to take a shot using f32, 8 second exposure at iso 100, and this is only going to be achived with a tripod as Camera shake when taking a picture handheld will make it impossible............................" I'd love to see the response!!!! Last edited by Rob.Marsh; 28-10-2008 at 13:37.

28-10-2008, 13:29	#2
Richard Peters Forum Regular Location: West London Posts: 1,049 Camera: Nikon D3 & D300 iTrader: (0)	You get the same thing at the London Eye.

28-10-2008, 13:29	#5
GarynLea Feet under the table Real name : Gary Location: Tamworth, Staffs Posts: 1,827 Camera: Canon 50D + 400D iTrader: (12)	Hahaha another jobsworth who was clutching at straws after making the initial complaint.

28-10-2008, 13:33	#6
Flash In The Pan Advertiser Real name : Graham Location: Glasgow Posts: 16,121 Camera: yes iTrader: (471)	I got the same down at the Science Centre in Glasgow a few weeks back, doing a shoot and this wee naff in a peaked hat waddles over and tells us we can't take pictures there as it's private property

28-10-2008, 13:34	#7
Just Dave Growing roots Real name : Dave Location: Chorley Lancashire UK Posts: 9,046 Camera: Eos 400D iTrader: (1)	nice one Gary, you should have asked about monpods

28-10-2008, 13:35	#11
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28-10-2008, 13:36	#13
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garymercer Forum Regular Real name : Gary Mercer Location: Prescot, Merseyside. UK Posts: 773 Camera: Canon EOS 50D iTrader: (0)	Maybe we need to get some of those yellow signs made up like those used by cleaners for slippery surfaces etc... EDIT : Oh and some tape that says "TRIPOD LINE, DO NOT CROSS" Last edited by garymercer; 28-10-2008 at 13:54.

28-10-2008, 13:52	#20
lookup Getting Comfy Location: Bury St Edmunds Posts: 200 Camera: Nikon D60 iTrader: (0)	Time for the monopod disguised as a walking stick trick...

28-10-2008, 13:59	#24
petemc Negative Nancy Real name : Pete Location: Wirral, near Liverpool Posts: 9,674 iTrader: (1)	I actually have the insurance to cover me so I can simply show them that and then see what they say. What you should do is lift the tripod off the ground and ask if thats ok. Its still technically there and some dumbass could walk into it but its not on their property. What if you fold the legs up so its a monopod? What if you put 3 monopods together? What if you use a chair? Perhaps take the ** and use one of those teeny tiny table top tripods. Get a gorillapod and fix it to the security guard using himself as a tripod so that he then has to escort himself off the property. __________________ Portfolio - Photoblog - THE HDR Tutorial** Elvis has left the building...

28-10-2008, 14:02	#25
fabs Mr Sheen Real name : Marc Location: indoors Posts: 14,393 Camera: a700 iTrader: (8)	Ah the old health and safety angle! On the way home on Sunday, I was stuck on a packed stationary Northern Line train for 15 minutes in incredible heat feeling very ill. Where was health and Safety then? Or is it only when it suits 'em!

28-10-2008, 14:05	#26
Rob.Marsh Feet under the table Real name : Rob Marsh Location: East Grinstead Posts: 1,552 Camera: Samsung GX-10 iTrader: (5)	I actually think H&S is quoted in situations like this in the hope that people subdued as it sounds official. I wonder if anywhere in Canary Wharf PLC's H&S files it actually bans the use of tripods without a permit? That would mean that a risk assesment has been done etc etc. I am thinking its unlikely!

28-10-2008, 14:06	#27
Yantorsen I ♥ OSX Posts: 1,113 Camera: Fujifilm FinePix S9600 iTrader: (0)	I got the same inside a Mosque in spain

28-10-2008, 14:09 Thread Starter	#28
EdinburghGary A child Real name : Gary Location: Edinburgh Posts: 18,217 Camera: Nikon D3, Nikon D200, Fuji S5 Pro, Canon G9, 6x7MF iTrader: (2)	OK, email sent: Hello, Recently on a visit to Canary Wharf, I was approached by security in the middle of taking a photo of the HSBC tower. Unfortunately this photo was ruined, as the security guard stopped in front of my setup before I had completed my exposure. He indicated that in order to take photos, I would need to apply for a tripod permit. I tried to explain that a tripod was merely a device for holding photographic equipment steady, this drew blanks. I asked if I could place my tripod on the ground, and hand hold my Camera to take the photos, and he agreed this would not be a problem. I then asked if I could get my wife to kneel on the ground, bent over in a "table like" position, and he agreed that this would not be a problem. My wife reluctantly agreed to replace my tripod, and become my "human camera stabiliser". Before security and I parted company, he informed that I could apply for a "Tripod Permit", hence my email. Can you organise for a Tripod Permit to be issued? I would like to drive back down from Edinburgh to get that photo of the HSBC tower, without security this time. The angle of the photo I require is such, that my wife bent over is of no use. If you could let me know where I can collect my tripod permit, I would appreciate it. Regards, Gary.

28-10-2008, 14:13	#30
Rob.Marsh Feet under the table Real name : Rob Marsh Location: East Grinstead Posts: 1,552 Camera: Samsung GX-10 iTrader: (5)	Superb!!!! Love it, and I have no doubt will have one of two outcomes. 1) it will get ignored or 2) kick off a hilarious chain of communication, resulting in no permit anyway.