Drunken lock out?

ST4 said:
Common sense goes out the window when you are as intoxicated as that.
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You don't drink, so what was your excuse?
Just sayin'.
 
ST4 said:
Quite well. A lot obeyed the law and didn't drink.
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You mean apart from the massive surge in organised crime, obvs.

Oh and the great depression that some people believe was exacerbated by the lack of tax revenues and, you know, jobs. Plus the 50,000 or so who died due to drinking adulterated alcohol (I know, since they were all clearly crimmos, 50,000 isn't nearly enough!). Apparently, one of the odd facts about prohibition is that during it, the number of alcoholics in the US actually increased.

Apart from that it all went swimmingly. Until it got abolished on the grounds that it was a really stupid idea.
 
ST4 said:
There is no reason for late night drinking beyond 11pm that I can see, nor for people to buy alcohol as cheaply as it is now. I paid more a soft drink in a restaurant than my friend did for beer. Thats shocking.
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Except of course, if you were a shift worker on a 2pm to 10pm shift, or worked in a restaurant, cinema or any other entertainment industry to name but a few.

Yes, the price of soft drinks in pubs is often quite high, sometimes more that beer, here's a thought, let's campaign to make soft drinks cheaper than beer in pubs.
 
PaulF said:
Except of course, if you were a shift worker on a 2pm to 10pm shift, or worked in a restaurant, cinema or any other entertainment industry to name but a few.

Yes, the price of soft drinks in pubs is often quite high, sometimes more that beer, here's a thought, let's campaign to make soft drinks cheaper than beer in pubs.
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Why do people need to drink in licenced premises after work. There's no need. What's wrong with going home and going out for a drink on your day off.
 
ST4 said:
Why do people need to drink in licenced premises after work. There's no need. What's wrong with going home and going out for a drink on your day off.
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Dunno. I think it's something to do with it being a free country and that a massive number of jobs rely on the licensed trade. But you're right, an 11pm curfew would make things much more pleasant. It would also stop all that New Year's Eve nonsense too.
 
JonathanRyan said:
Dunno. I think it's something to do with it being a free country and that a massive number of jobs rely on the licensed trade. But you're right, an 11pm curfew would make things much more pleasant. It would also stop all that New Year's Eve nonsense too.
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It would too. New Years crazy and the level of alcohol consumption, rowdiness and noise is abhorrent.

Plus earlier closing might reduce the whole morning after the night before with respect to drivers being over the drink drive limit.

You also no fine well that the number of people out late at night aren't people coming off shifts but "party animals"
 
I think you're onto something here. I also think it's obscene the amount some people spend on Christmas gifts and the fun people have with fireworks. Let's set a cap on all of these and introduce it under generic "No Merriment" legislation. Should be a great vote winner and give the economy the valuable boost it needs.
 
ST4 said:
Why do people need to drink in licenced premises after work. There's no need. What's wrong with going home and going out for a drink on your day off.
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Oh, I don't know, maybe they might like to have a sociable drink with friends, you never know.
 
Lets ban knives too - some people use them for hunting or fishing, I like many have a set at home for kitchen purposes - does someone really need 5? 1% of the population may use these kitchen knives in criminal activity so lets end it and ban them!

A minority also sniff superglue... that is next on my list to be banned!
 
JonathanRyan said:
I think you're onto something here. I also think it's obscene the amount some people spend on Christmas gifts and the fun people have with fireworks. Let's set a cap on all of these and introduce it under generic "No Merriment" legislation. Should be a great vote winner and give the economy the valuable boost it needs.
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Absolutely! And no kite flying - you can have someone's eye out with one of them. Definitely ban radio controlled aircraft. Some crimmos fit a tiny camera to survey a property.

In fact ban everything I don't personally approve of or has a chance of being used unwisely or for criminal purposes.

It's the only sensible thing to do.
 
simon ess said:
In fact ban everything I don't personally approve of or has a chance of being used unwisely or for criminal purposes.
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You need to ban photography in public places then... that guy with a dslr could be a p****, a terrorist planning his next attack or maybe a bank robber planning a raid!
 
Of course. I don't mind giving up centuries of hard won personal freedoms on the off chance that bloke with an slr is up to no good.

Phone cameras are ok of course. Everyone knows a sneaky type wouldn't use something small and unobtrusive.
 
cambsno said:
Lets ban knives too - some people use them for hunting or fishing, I like many have a set at home for kitchen purposes - does someone really need 5? 1% of the population may use these kitchen knives in criminal activity so lets end it and ban them!

A minority also sniff superglue... that is next on my list to be banned!
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That's what they did with hand guns.
 
Yv said:
you do know Finland has a drink problem very similar to our own right, binge drinking causing reckless drunken behaviour at the weekends, that kind of thing.
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I did try to draw attention to this in the last thread, but sadly it seemed to go over a few heads.

On reflection it may have been the last thread, but who knows? Sometimes I do miss out a day or two on the forum.
 
andy700 said:
I did try to draw attention to this in the last thread, but sadly it seemed to go over a few heads.

On reflection it may have been the last thread, but who knows? Sometimes I do miss out a day or two on the forum.
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Indeed, alcohol in Finland is already very expensive but it hasn't stopped them having similar problems, but trebling that price [already significantly more than here remember] you will do several things that Steve doesn't seem to have thought through fully.
The first is that alcohol is enjoyed by the majority in moderation without any bad behaviour, they will suffer by simply having that pleasure denied because it it is no longer affordable. Alcohol will become the preserve of the high earners.
Secondly you will fuel a huge black market [prohibition in the USA proved that one] of illegally imported and/or unregulated home made alcohol that could cause significantly more problems than we have already, both in terms of anti-social behaviour and health problems.
Thirdly, one thing Steve has harped on about is how drug taking leads onto lots of other crime to fund the habit - surely it is obvious that for any alcoholic that isn't a rich boy/girl, you create the same problem, you create an environment whereby they may turn to crime to fund their addiction if they can no longer afford the alcohol they crave. Still, i am sure they can be added to his list of people to be shot. :rolleyes:
 
cambsno said:
Doesn't sex contribute to AIDS? Better ban that too.
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It contributes to far worse things than that. For example teenage pregnancy, child benefits, maternity leave payouts and so on. I agree with the ban here :)
 
anyway, you lot are a right let down. Why has no one mentioned banning baked beans and brussel sprouts? I mean seriously, they create noxious gases in the digestive tract of every human that eats them, which in turn not only contributes to green house gases, but is very socially unacceptable in my opinion, surely none of us want to have to suffer being around people that have eaten these disgusting foods
 
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Agreed. Shoot 'em.
 
Why not nuke the planet and have done with it, I mean it's not as if we're really here for an reason anyway.
 
daugirdas said:
It contributes to far worse things than that. For example teenage pregnancy, child benefits, maternity leave payouts and so on. I agree with the ban here :)
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Daugirdas in "I agree with ST4" shocker!
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viv1969 said:
Daugirdas in "I agree with ST4" shocker!
:runaway:
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Simon.... :LOL:


Meanwhile, I presume the next thing that needs to be government controlled & rationed for our own good, the good of society and the saviour of the NHS is what we eat, no more than 1 McDonalds a month, must spend at least £30 on fresh fruit and veg... dining out, ohhhh, naughty, only health food restaurants are allowed. The list is endless, all can be done on Steves Oyster card system...

This would be funny if it wasn't for the fact there are people that actually think like this.
 
It's not just a minority though. I'd agree if we were talking about Greece, France, Spain or Italy my proposals would be disproportionate.

You've seen how relaxing licensing hours have made our cities bear pits . No, the window of opportunity needs narrowed down. Licensing hours need cut IMHO. Alcohol made harder to get and people prevented from consuming it who prove they behave badly under it's influence. Like these 2 girls here. They're probably not awful when sober so preventing them from drinking will probably be a good thing. Alcohol isn't a right, it's a privilidge like driving, the internet etc and it should be taken from those who cannot control themselves with it.
 
ST4 said:
Yes. Thats why we need to make alcohol much more expensive than them to try price this behaviour out. Its not on. It is not right.
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Perhaps we ought to triple the price of petrol for those convicted of speeding, to try and stamp out that anti social behaviour ;)
 
ST4 said:
. Alcohol isn't a right, it's a privilidge like driving, the internet etc and it should be taken from those who cannot control themselves with it.
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Don't disagree there, so why do you think banning it or tripling the price and making it harder to get will help? I can control it, as can most others, so why do responsible people need to be punished?
Do you not get that prohibition doesn't work and neither does high prices (Finland)
 
ST4 said:
It's not just a minority though. I'd agree if we were talking about Greece, France, Spain or Italy my proposals would be disproportionate.

You've seen how relaxing licensing hours have made our cities bear pits . No, the window of opportunity needs narrowed down. Licensing hours need cut IMHO. Alcohol made harder to get and people prevented from consuming it who prove they behave badly under it's influence. Like these 2 girls here. They're probably not awful when sober so preventing them from drinking will probably be a good thing. Alcohol isn't a right, it's a privilidge like driving, the internet etc and it should be taken from those who cannot control themselves with it.
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In theory yes, but your suggested methods will lead to bigger problems as I mentioned back in post 65, and I didn't even get onto the job losses and what have you. So, great idea in principal, but you need to think it through and come up with a sensible suggestion that might actually work rather just being reactionary and sounding like the Daily Mail, because that is why everyone is laughing at you.
 
@ST4 If they prove they behave badly whilst doing it...should it be unavailable to them for life?
 
viv1969 said:
@ST4 If they prove they behave badly whilst doing it...should it be unavailable to them for life?
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That's a good idea actually. Kind of like a driving test.

If you can act sensibly after drinking way too much at the age of 17, you get a license to consume as much as you like for the rest of your life. Though you need a doctor's checkup at 70 just in case it's bad for you. I think that would work.
 
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