"I much prefer star trails, or those pictures of galaxies, how do they do that?", asked Neil

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"I much prefer star trails, or those pictures of galaxies, how do they do that?", asked Neil (mentalblock) in another 'thread in this, and I said I would answer it in s separate 'thread', so as to intrude in the other 'thread'. So here goes:

The easiest way to capture star trails, is to set the camera on a tripod, and point it at Polaris, the Pole Star. Because Polaris is very close to the Celestial Pole, all of the other stars appear to rotate around it. Of course it the Earth that's moving, not the stars.

If the light pollution is not too bad, you can leave the shutter open, and the stars will begin to trail in a circle around the Pole Star.

Galaxies, and other deep-sky object, is a very different matter, as the camera needs to track the object at Siderial Rate. That is the rate at which the stars appear to move across the sky, or more correctly, the Earth spins on its axis. If this is not done with precision, the stars will elongate, and the object (Galaxy etc) will smear and blur.

This requires that the camera be mounted on Equatorial motor driven mount. For something as simple as DSLR, an Astrotrac, or DiY 'Barn Door Tracker' will suffice. For a telescope mounted camera, the mount get more complex and expensive.

To be really effective, the DSLR needs to be modified, by having its Infra Red blocking filter removed. However, it then no longer really suitable to terrestrial photography.

I don't use my DSLR for my astro-imaging, but use specialised cameras, where the CCD is cooled to minus 20 to 30 degrees C below ambient, thus allowing long exposures with minimal thermal noise.

Astro-imaging is a very different 'ball game' to normal terrestrial photography, both in terms of image capture, and image processing. It can also be just as expensive as photography, if not more so, depending on how deep you want to go.

As such, its outside the scope of this forum, which is aimed at terrestrial photography.

To whet your appetite, should you want to venture into the 'Dark Side', here's an image of "one of those galaxies". I should add that this particular galaxy (The Andromeda Galaxy) is with the capability of a suitably mounted DSLR.

It comprises 45mins exposure through a Red Filter, 45min for Green, 45min for Blue, and 45min through a neutral filter, making 3 hours of total exposure time.

Dave
 
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Omg what an absolute stunning image:clap: i can only dream about such an image. Appears to be bit more interest on tp for astrophotography lately. Off to drool over image again. Please show more . Have a:beer:
 
I agree with the above, however, Having modified a few Canons in my time for Astro use, there are are two types of modifications available:

The first is very simple,, if you know how, and I wouldn't suggest you try it unless you are a very keen technical person who has experience at board level....removing the I/R block filter will make the camera 87% more aggressive towards light than before, and by doing the removal, some chips become exposed, that why in this option, you can replace it with a clear piece of glass, a lot of cameras today, already have that bit of glass in front to protect the sensor, the same size as the I/R block filter. By removing this filter, it exposes the camera to unseen data...Ha (hydrogen-Alpha), which all galaxys or clusters or nebula emit. This option, also enables the camera to work with EFS lenses, and still maintain auto-focus, by using a custom white balance setting, which can be set by using a bit of white card, the camera can still be used for daytime.

The second option is, removal of the I/R filter, and replacing it with a Baader filter, this then make the camera un-usable during the day..

The first option is best, as you can add what's call "clip-filters" to the camera, and you can get them in different strengths, according to what you night time target would be.

I hope this helps, didn't want to butt in but thought I would help out and explain more about it....

Here is one of mine...

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Andromeda...both taken with a DSLR

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There's a really good exhibition of night and astro photography at lacock at the moment, but it did leave you wondering how. Thanks for some answers
 
Simply wow!!!! Looking at Andromeda in these pictures makes one realise how insignificant we are, and what wonders exist beyond.
 
very well wrote.... not just a simple case of pointing and shooting there's a lot to it as I've leant the hard way...... I will eventually own an Astrotrac its on my list :)

ive also already found out the hard way addictive and expensive Astronomy is never mind Astro Photography!!

p.s. I still think theres enough interest to warrant an Astro section ...... seen as it is still Photography
 
A very good endorsement of my statement that the Andromeda Galaxy is within the capability of a DSLR Marcus, thank you.

Also thank you for providing a bit more detail on the modifications, which I'm sure will be useful to members wanting to pursue this venture.

I treat my photography and astro-imaging as two separate pursuits, there being no cross over between the equipment of the two hobbies.

Although I have been an amateur photographer for a great many years, I got into astro imaging about twelve years ago, and have a permanent set-up housed in an observatory with attached warm/control room. Am also the co-owner of a forum specialising in astro-imaging.

The only negative is the limited number of clear nights we get in the UK, and of course the scourge of light pollution. Albeit living in a rural location with no street lighting, I can enjoy relatively dark skies.

Dave
 
No problem at all Dave, very nice to meet you through this thread, agreed about pollution, it is a pita, same here, I am fortunate to own the same in my garden, you cant beat being able to walk in, and just turn on...then sit back in the comforts of the house

My skies however, do have to deal with a lot of pollution, and my eyes are not as good anymore for night time....hence more daytime for me at the moment.

Marcus
 
So jealous you have your own observatory's :( but I live in whitely bay and have one of the darkest sky available not to far away ..... and as they say dark sky is the key... You don't realise what you miss out on until you actually experience a clear night in a real dark sky..... More trips to Northumberland for me
 
absolutely stunning shots... if I may ask a question I have heard there is a danger of the camera sensor overheating on overlong exposures so I was wondering how do you get around this on a 3 hour exposure or is it an issue that people tend to err on the side of caution about?
 
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