Some how I missed this Fuji development?

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Read about this a while back, wish they would just hurry up and get it out.
 
I think it's a very dodgy time to invest in advanced compacts atm, because there always seems to be new tech on the next model, and they're coming out thick and fast. I was just pondering on the idea of another good compact, and started to do the usual research - headache after 5 minutes! There's just too much!!

I'd wait it out a bit longer. This sensor here for example, could be the next hot thing on the 'advanced compacts'
 
Cagey75 said:
I think it's a very dodgy time to invest in advanced compacts atm, because there always seems to be new tech on the next model, and they're coming out thick and fast. I was just pondering on the idea of another good compact, and started to do the usual research - headache after 5 minutes! There's just too much!!

I'd wait it out a bit longer. This sensor here for example, could be the next hot thing on the 'advanced compacts'
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When I sold my Canon DSLR and lenses I decided not to invest too much money in kit for a while and although I've bought an A7 and GX7 body and some cheap used AF and MF lenses I don't think I've spent too much considering what I could have spent if I'd bought into a new system and had got some new decent AF lenses.

But how long do you wait for the revolutionary stuff to come out? A month or a year or two? Chances are that however long you wait the next big leap forward will be announced a week after you've bought your new kit :eek: Such is life :D
 
Maybe Sigma will get hold of it and build it into a really ugly very slow range of compacts with terrible AF speeds and glacial write times, but with awesome images :D
 
Exactly, if you just wait for something new to come out you'll be forever waiting for the next one. Just buy one and use it and be happy.

Especially with compacts, they're not going to be used for extreme applications so as long as they're to a decent enough standard then just buy the one you like.
 
Exciting stuff.

Do you think however good sensor tech gets, for example a 1" sensor performing as well as a full frame sensor of today. Will people still want Full Frame? Any new tech used in small sensors can also be utilised in larger sensors so ff frame will always of a advantage, but will people think this new 1" organic sensor is more than i need or will they still want the FF sensor and everything that comes with that i.e large heavy lenses?

I guess there is the DOF issue that comes with smaller sensors.
 
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Yep, DOF and high iso range will be the main reasons imo. FF can't compete with FPS of smaller sensors without going for mega money ones.

If you put a base iso image from a current model Fuji for example against a FF image from Canikon, would you be able to tell a difference? Even up to mid iso of say 1600 it would look similar. For more specialist shooting then obviously the correct dslr would take over.

Pretty sure I read that Alans GX7 can focus in a darkish cupboard! I think my D7000 would have given up after about 3 goes.
 
rjbell said:
Exciting stuff.
I guess there is the DOF issue that comes with smaller sensors.
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More DoF can be an advantage. I was reading a wedding blog yesterday and the guy said that... in the past like a lot of contemporary wedding photographers he relied on shallow DoF too much. To me it's not just wedding photography, you see shallow DoF everywhere and it's all people on forums seem to talk about. I admit to being a bit of a shallow DoF fan myself at times, but not all the time and indeed in most of my photographic life I've been fighting for more not less.
 
minnnt said:
Yep, DOF and high iso range will be the main reasons imo. FF can't compete with FPS of smaller sensors without going for mega money ones.

If you put a base iso image from a current model Fuji for example against a FF image from Canikon, would you be able to tell a difference? Even up to mid iso of say 1600 it would look similar. For more specialist shooting then obviously the correct dslr would take over.

Pretty sure I read that Alans GX7 can focus in a darkish cupboard! I think my D7000 would have given up after about 3 goes.
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:D lol yes!

I do like to test my gear when I get it and I tried the GX7 in a wardrobe and in the bathroom with the light off and it amazed me. After a second or two the EVF gains up and it'll lock on in almost darkness. Not much use if your subject is moving :D but if doing some night time landscape shooting I suppose it could come in handy :D
 
Perhaps the likes of Nikons 1 system and Samsungs mini nx long term have the right idea.
 
minnnt said:
Yep, DOF and high iso range will be the main reasons imo. FF can't compete with FPS of smaller sensors without going for mega money ones.

If you put a base iso image from a current model Fuji for example against a FF image from Canikon, would you be able to tell a difference? Even up to mid iso of say 1600 it would look similar. For more specialist shooting then obviously the correct dslr would take over.

Pretty sure I read that Alans GX7 can focus in a darkish cupboard! I think my D7000 would have given up after about 3 goes.
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At "normal" print sizes and even up to A4, the XT's images compare very favourably with those from my D700. In terms of high ISO performance WRT noise handling, I reckon the XT just about wins too. If I could be bothered, I would take a few identically framed shots with the 2 cameras and do A3 prints but since I have no plans to start carrying the 700 kit around again, there's no real point in me doing the comparison test.
 
Nod said:
At "normal" print sizes and even up to A4, the XT's images compare very favourably with those from my D700. In terms of high ISO performance WRT noise handling, I reckon the XT just about wins too. If I could be bothered, I would take a few identically framed shots with the 2 cameras and do A3 prints but since I have no plans to start carrying the 700 kit around again, there's no real point in me doing the comparison test.
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I went through a phase of doing this with my 5D and MFT kit. I you tot up the cost of the ink and paper before you start you'd never go through with it :D
 
I think an A3 print of the usual book case or a really freaky looking manakin from the 70's on a chair would look REALLY good hung on your living room wall, Nod. Especially if you had the two images side by side. It would give you something to chat about with guests. :D

Alan, you hang about in wardrobes and dark bathrooms way too much... :D
 
rjbell said:
Exciting stuff.

Do you think however good sensor tech gets, for example a 1" sensor performing as well as a full frame sensor of today. Will people still want Full Frame? Any new tech used in small sensors can also be utilised in larger sensors so ff frame will always of a advantage, but will people think this new 1" organic sensor is more than i need or will they still want the FF sensor and everything that comes with that i.e large heavy lenses?

I guess there is the DOF issue that comes with smaller sensors.
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It doesn't matter how good sensor tech gets, the one thing a smaller sensor can never be is bigger - and it's the physically larger size of full-frame that drives all its advantages. Better ISO performance, more dynamic range, and better sharpness. And less DoF too if that's what you want.

The link is interesting, but a year old and we've not heard anything since. If it's a couple of sensor generations away, even if there's anything in it that's five or six years min.
 
HoppyUK said:
It doesn't matter how good sensor tech gets, the one thing a smaller sensor can never be is bigger - and it's the physically larger size of full-frame that drives all its advantages. Better ISO performance, more dynamic range, and better sharpness. And less DoF too if that's what you want.
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I know all that. What I'm trying to say is will people always what the advantage if the smaller sensor of the future is equal to ff of today.

Its a stupid question I know the answer. I can see the future on the forum people saying 1" sensors are a waste of time you can't get usable images above 6400 iso and go full frame and shoot at 36000! Lol
 
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HoppyUK said:
It doesn't matter how good sensor tech gets, the one thing a smaller sensor can never be is bigger - and it's the physically larger size of full-frame that drives all its advantages. Better ISO performance, more dynamic range, and better sharpness. And less DoF too if that's what you want.

The link is interesting, but a year old and we've not heard anything since. If it's a couple of sensor generations away, even if there's anything in it that's five or six years min.
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It looks like this sensor will give far more of every quality on an APS size than we could actually use, except for DOF issues.
The crunch come literally with all the number crunching necessary to handled 29.5 stops of information, in a reasonable time.
Even extracting viewfinder display information and providing focussing data will require a proxy of some sort.
Very high pixel counts and large sensors will be an embarrassment of riches, not an advantage.
It would seem alongside the new sensor technology they will require an equally dramatic advance in processing power and read techniques.
Including the acceptance by users Of very large raw files. Jpegs will be totally inadequate to contain this much data.
Jpeg 2000 can handle 32bit data but this is going to require 64 bit processing.

It is perhaps interesting that Fuji are staying clear of full frame in their current ranges, which of course would exacerbate these problems, and might seem a step too far at the moment. Full Frame adoption of this technology would seem to be inevitable, but perhaps too difficult at the moment.
 
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