The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

twist said:
Id agree with that but also add that in other markets its very similarly priced to the 7R so for people that dont want the res and prefer ISO and better MF lens performance its a bit of a no brainer. In this country though theres huge difference in price between the 3 models.

Im sure Sigma confirmed they will be looking into FE.
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No they said they would make adapted lenses. So like samyang.
 
I'd like to see Sigma making real FE lenses :D and not just adapted DSLR lenses but they seem to be aiming at the top of the market these days and what I'd really like to see is compact and merely adequate lenses. I'm that bothered if my lenses aren't amongst the best on sale and I'd settle for adequate and even characterful :D I don't suppose that'll happen though.
 
Shame there are so few cheap fast lenses as well, you see a few out of china under no-brands but thats it. There was a f0.95 lens i fancied at one point, i quite like the character, even mirror lenses appeal.
 
robj20 said:
Shame there are so few cheap fast lenses as well, you see a few out of china under no-brands but thats it. There was a f0.95 lens i fancied at one point, i quite like the character, even mirror lenses appeal.
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Samyangs are decent for the money and pretty fast.
 
Pretty largish though aren't they? Manual too.

I don't see myself buying a modern MF lens other than possibly a macro as I find the old lenses are good enough for me. They may not be as sharp wide open as a modern lens and will no doubt have more vignetting and fringing but after processing other than at the widest apertures I honestly have few complaints with my old lenses. In fact once stopped down a bit I think that my only winge is the shape of out of focus highlights as to be honest I prefer round to angled and that's pretty much it.

I suppose a modern MF lens will be ultimately better than the old ones but probably not to a degree that I'd care. Looking good in a whole image or reasonable crop is good enough for me.
 
woof woof said:
Pretty largish though aren't they? Manual too.

I don't see myself buying a modern MF lens other than possibly a macro as I find the old lenses are good enough for me. They may not be as sharp wide open as a modern lens and will no doubt have more vignetting and fringing but after processing other than at the widest apertures I honestly have few complaints with my old lenses. In fact once stopped down a bit I think that my only winge is the shape of out of focus highlights as to be honest I prefer round to angled and that's pretty much it.

I suppose a modern MF lens will be ultimately better than the old ones but probably not to a degree that I'd care. Looking good in a whole image or reasonable crop is good enough for me.
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Yeah, but so is the f0.95 Rob mentioned, thats why I made the post.

The 28 F2 G looks like its going to be smallish and a decent price, hopefully its the start of a new line of G lenses like we discussed a while ago.

The Rokkors are very good anyway and pretty cheap for the performance they offer.
 
I had a Voigtlander 25mm f0.95 for my MFT and it was possibly the best lens I've ever owned so I can see the appeal of a specialist lens like that, very wide aperture or macro... but for the slightly more run of the mill stuff if there's a legacy lens available it'll probably be good enough for me.

Of all the legacy lenses I have I think that the only issue is excessive fringing on highlights and edges at the widest apertures with the Zuiko 85mm f2 and FD 85mm f1.8, the Rokkor f2 is much better. Other than that I'm happy with all of the FD, Zuiko and Rokkors I have and even my Rokkor fit Sigma 50mm f2.8 macro is IMVHO astonishingly good.

I can see the appeal of the new MF lenses as the old stuff is getting old and some of the new lenses will no doubt be better built and very lovely but while legacy lenses are relatively readily available I doubt I'll be buying. Even a duff legacy lens can be serviced and if buying for £50 and spending £75 on a good clean up it's still a bargain next to a Loxia :D Oh, I forgot... need an adapter too... something between £10 and £100, still a bargain though :D
 
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woof woof said:
I had a Voigtlander 25mm f0.95 for my MFT and it was possibly the best lens I've ever owned so I can see the appeal of a specialist lens like that, very wide aperture or macro... but for the slightly more run of the mill stuff if there's a legacy lens available it'll probably be good enough for me.

Of all the legacy lenses I have I think that the only issue is excessive fringing on highlights and edges at the widest apertures with the Zuiko 85mm f2 and FD 85mm f1.8, the Rokkor f2 is much better. Other than that I'm happy with all of the FD, Zuiko and Rokkors I have and even my Rokkor fit Sigma 50mm f2.8 macro is IMVHO astonishingly good.

I can see the appeal of the new MF lenses as the old stuff is getting old and some of the new lenses will no doubt be better built and very lovely but while legacy lenses are relatively readily available I doubt I'll be buying. Even a duff legacy lens can be serviced and if buying for £50 and spending £75 on a good clean up it's still a bargain next to a Loxia :D Oh, I forgot... need an adapter too... something between £10 and £100, still a bargain though :D
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Yeah, but theres the 24mm 1.4, 14mm 2.8, 35mm 1.4 and 85mm 1.4 which are all going to be pretty difficult and expensive to find in legacy. Its only really the 50 thats easy and cheap in legacy. The issue I have is they arent that small being adapted dslr lenses. Still, they are cheap. Loxias look decent.
 
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I think that all of my legacy lenses were reasonably priced but going wider than 24mm or f2.8 (for the wide angles) might be rare and expensive but I once had a 28mm f1.8 which was cheap so it can sometimes be done but anything in the range from 24 to 135mm and possibly a bit longer shouldn't cost an arm or a leg, if you're happy at f2.8 for the wide angle lenses. At 85mm there are the odd f1.2 offerings which are expensive compared to the f2's and possibly not that great wide open when compare to a modern lens or even to a legacy 50mm f1.4.
 
woof woof said:
At 85mm there are the odd f1.2 offerings which are expensive compared to the f2's and possibly not that great wide open when compare to a modern lens or even to a legacy 50mm f1.4.
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Canon FD/EF 85mm f1.2 is rather good wide open as it happens. It is costly ,though not as costly as the Zeiss 85mm f1.2.
 
woof woof said:
I think that all of my legacy lenses were reasonably priced but going wider than 24mm or f2.8 (for the wide angles) might be rare and expensive but I once had a 28mm f1.8 which was cheap so it can sometimes be done but anything in the range from 24 to 135mm and possibly a bit longer shouldn't cost an arm or a leg, if you're happy at f2.8 for the wide angle lenses. At 85mm there are the odd f1.2 offerings which are expensive compared to the f2's and possibly not that great wide open when compare to a modern lens or even to a legacy 50mm f1.4.
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Thats why the samyangs are such great value, fast aperture, modern coatings good choice of focal lengths, cheap. Unless someone can show me the equiv legacy lens with the same performance for less money. On that note check out the new 135 f2 reviews, sharper than the 135L!
 
twist said:
Thats why the samyangs are such great value, fast aperture, modern coatings good choice of focal lengths, cheap. Unless someone can show me the equiv legacy lens with the same performance for less money. On that note check out the new 135 f2 reviews, sharper than the 135L!
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Yes But that's easy, is it sharper than the Zeiss 135 1.8?
 
Brazo said:
Yes But that's easy, is it sharper than the Zeiss 135 1.8?
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Is it really? Would you like to back that up with some 1:1 crops? Id bet the zeiss is slightly better but not 'easily' better. Lets also look at costs involved between these 3 lenses.
 
twist said:
Is it really? Would you like to back that up with some 1:1 crops? Id bet the zeiss is slightly better but not 'easily' better. Lets also look at costs involved between these 3 lenses.
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The Zeiss is better. But my comments were somewhat flippant, don't take it personally!
 
Brazo said:
The Zeiss is better. But my comments were somewhat flippant, don't take it personally!
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I dont, i just wouldve liked to have seen how much better, because the samyang is noticeably better wide open than the very good canon and ive read the zeiss only has a slight advantage, make for an interesting comparison.
 
I'd read differently and that the Canon had the edge.Over the Samyang that is.
 
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i'm very tempted to upgrade my a7 to an a7 II, for the in body IS

but then I suppose I could just swap out my 16-35 2.8 for the 16-35 f4 IS (or the sony equivalent), get the tamron 24-70 VC (and sell my canon 2.8), get the 35mm f2 IS, and then i'd be pretty much ok with those lenses

i suppose the a7 II would mean I could keep my 16-35 2.8 and have IS at 2.8, keep my canon 24-70, use my 35L, 50mm 1.4 and 85L all with stabilization, and if I got some smaller rangefinder lenses they would be stabilized too

decisions decisions...

perhaps if some cheaper samyang/sigma lenses came out in native FE mount it would persuade me over to the A7 II, but as it stands I use my 5d3 and my a7 interchangeably, so having one set of lenses for both makes the most sense (but also makes no sense, as why do I even own an a7? :D)
 
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Well it is a Korean review not that that means it's untrue. I own the FD version of the Canon.
 
twist said:
Glad to see im not on your ignore list Alan
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Was that you? I'd forgotten who it was. If I knew how to ignore someone... I'd be tempted to ignore a few :naughty:

I have no problem swapping posts and polite opinion with anyone but there are always some who seem to think that politeness and curtsey aren't required on line and that's not something that I want to be a part of on a photography forum. Or on any on line thing...

Back on point...
twist said:
Thats why the samyangs are such great value, fast aperture, modern coatings good choice of focal lengths, cheap. Unless someone can show me the equiv legacy lens with the same performance for less money. On that note check out the new 135 f2 reviews, sharper than the 135L!
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A old lens plus adapter is still quite a relatively light and compact package and whilst I can see the appeal of the Samyangs if I was going to go down the modern MF route I think I'd go for the Loxia's as they look more compact (I'd have to see and handle one in the metal and plastic to be sure) and would very probably answer the build quality questions raised by some against the Samyangs.
 
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woof woof said:
I have no problem swapping posts and polite opinion with anyone but there are always some who seem to think that politeness and curtsey aren't required on line and that's not something that I want to be a part of on a photography forum. Or on any on line thing...
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I'd curtsey but how could you tell? :)

Sorry, back on topic.
 
steveclem said:
I'd curtsey but how could you tell? :)

Sorry, back on topic.
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Just do a happy dance and I'll type on my pc rather than on a phone, and get less typos/predictive text or whatever it was.

Moving on...

The rumour site is reporting a 50/50 chance that there'll be an A7rII in a couple of weeks. When the A7II came out I couldn't see them not doing a higher mp count II so maybe this is to be expected. Time will tell.

I'm happy enough at the mo, I think :D but it's nice to see the system moving onwards although personally I'd prefer to see more lenses rather than bodies. Anyone just thinking of buying into the system now might just think that the II/IIr (if it comes) look very nice indeed :D
 
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woof woof said:
but it's nice to see the system moving onwards although personally I'd prefer to see more lenses rather than bodies.
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Well supposedly there'll be 85mm and 25mm lenses announced soon, so that'll help, and the ones announced in November should be available in a month or two.

Can't wait for the 85mm so I can sell my old Nikon, and then just wait for however long for a 135mm.
 
Crossroads said:
Well supposedly there'll be 85mm and 25mm lenses announced soon, so that'll help, and the ones announced in November should be available in a month or two.

Can't wait for the 85mm so I can sell my old Nikon, and then just wait for however long for a 135mm.
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Yes, the lenses are just too tempting :D

I've sort of convinced myself that the kit zoom and the 55mm are the only AF lenses I need and that my 28, 85 and 135mm manual lenses are ok for deliberate MF shots but a wide zoom would be nice and 28, 35 and 85mm AF's would be nice too as would a 135 when and if it comes along and of course a longish macro... oh dear, slippery slope isn't it?

Just on the subject of my obsession with cheap old lenses...

I used to almost obsess over having 50 and 85mm f1.4's but these days I seem happy enough with my old Rokkor 50mm f1.4, 85mm f2 and 135mm f2.8 as long as I have the time to MF. Although the 50 and 85mm are nowhere near as good at the widest apertures as the Sigma 50 and 85mm f1.4's I used on my 5D once stopped down they're ok and razor thin DoF can be overdone :D Actually they're not even that bad wide open for whole images.
 
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woof woof said:
I'd like to see Sigma making real FE lenses :D and not just adapted DSLR lenses but they seem to be aiming at the top of the market these days and what I'd really like to see is compact and merely adequate lenses. I'm that bothered if my lenses aren't amongst the best on sale and I'd settle for adequate and even characterful :D I don't suppose that'll happen though.
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agreed, it seems really crazy to buy a 'factory converted' E mount lens, when you can just get a EF mount and an adapter and use it on fuji X, canon, sony

they make [samyang] aps-c E mount lenses, if only they made FE lenses too :(
 
Well a better showing than the cano lens but that was always my point. Somethings wrong with those zeiss centre crops as the extreme corners are presented as sharper than the centres which is't the case
 
I don't wish to appear all conspiracy theorist but that is a Korean site.
Doubtless of that, the Samyang is a very good lens indeed, I'm tempted to get the 8mm for my Fuji.
 
Sony has opened up the gates with the A7 series, we can expect more to come and they have the head start. I'm happy they've allowed me to use multiple SLR lenses again.
 
The rumor site is saying that it's 99% certain that an A7rII is coming with a 50mp sensor...

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-...rii-is-coming-with-50mp-sensor/#disqus_thread

Yes, it's a rumor site... but one with (arguably) a record of getting things right or very nearly right especially the closer we get to launch date.

Personally I'm not surprised at the thought of an A7rII coming and I'd be more surprised if it didn't but I don't think I expected 50mp. Maybe I thought that the rumored A9 might be a higher count camera....

Anyway, processing 50mp files wouldn't interest me and I'm quite happy with 24mp but I'm sure there'll be a queue around the block for this and that many a Canon and even Nikon shooter will be sobbing away at the thought of losing even more bragging rights...

So, if and / or when an A7rII comes along would 50mp make you more or less likely to buy?
 
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