The new Sony A9 - What are your thoughts

addicknchips said:
I'm saying I don't think it should be looked upon as just a sports camera.


The 20fps isn't the Only selling point for weddings/events.the longer battery life, joystick, better af, no blackout will appeal massively too. In fact, it looks like the perfect option for weddings/ events for Sony shooters. No one is asking people to jump ship.

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These are very good points. I can't see a great deal of dedicated sports shooters jumping ship from Canikon for the A9 - just doesn't seem the full package to me for this job.

But like you say, if you ignore the 20fps headline, it's then looks a great camera for other togs.
 
For me the big test is how does it perform using the mechanical shutter? If it is going to be an A72 in disguise with mechanical shutter then it is just another hyped up Sony product.
 
woof woof said:
Some boggers and reviewers are saying that the A9 is the beginning of the end for DSLR's but surely all this began with MFT and I do wonder if Panasonic and Olympus are looking at the Sony A7/9 range and wishing they'd gone for a larger format. I do hope that MFT continues but maybe Oly/Panny are eyeing Sony sales and hoping to take a bite at some time.
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Perhaps, I think MFT has reached the upper limits as to what you can do physically with a M4/3 sensor so not sure where the format can go next. Both Oly/Panasonic would need a new mount, also Oly might be secretly directed to by Sony.

Fuji have bypassed the 35mm sensor and went straight to medium format which I think was a good move as it might have been hard to compete, Sony pretty much has the sensor market very tired down. Until a competitor develops a new ground breaking sensor (organic) it's going to be hard to compete in the DR/ISO department.
As for the APS-C format, it's the middle of the pack and ideal for people who want great images with a lower overall cost.

One thing is for sure, it's good for consumers and the Sony A9 will push others forward.
The end of the DSLR is indeed coming but not yet I feel.
Another generation or two and that'll do it.
Can't wait for the Fuji pro body, going to be s speed daemon like the Sony A9,
 
architectfadi said:
For me the big test is how does it perform using the mechanical shutter? If it is going to be an A72 in disguise with mechanical shutter then it is just another hyped up Sony product.
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Will people ever drop the condescending and snideness? What recent Sony has been hyped up? They arguably have the best performing kit at several price and market points from 1" to FF.

As for the mechanical shutter, I've haven't hunted for reviews but I have read about and seen the mechanical shutter in action so Google and you shall find... wait and Google and you'll find more.
 
I ve learnt from my mistakes. When it comes to a Sony product, wait until the product is released, test it for myself and make a decision
 
Fuguru said:
Perhaps, I think MFT has reached the upper limits as to what you can do physically with a M4/3 sensor so not sure where the format can go next. Both Oly/Panasonic would need a new mount, also Oly might be secretly directed to by Sony.
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I'll be sticking with MFT as it'll be very difficult for FF and even APS-C to match the mix of image quality, performance and compact size. The latest MFT cameras offer image quality way beyond anything I got from 35mm and the bodies and lenses can be tiny. A GX80 with a f1.8 prime or the 12-35mm f2.8 is a fantastic bit of kit and I can't see any FF or even APS-C camera matching the performance in such a small package, just moving the larger glass about as quick would be an issue.
 
architectfadi said:
I ve learnt from my mistakes. When it comes to a Sony product, wait until the product is released, test it for myself and make a decision
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Dunno what you use but looking at other brands... Nikon has had a sting of "issues" and Canon haven't been immune either. Care to mention a manufacturer with a perfect record?

But yes, testing for yourself is best but as there's very little chance of me trying the gear I want locally I usually have to buy on line but I'm happy to report that I've had no issues with Panny or Oly kit or any Sony kit until I tried the 50mm f2.8 macro which for me verged on unusable.
 
addicknchips said:
The 20fps isn't the Only selling point for weddings/events.the longer battery life, joystick, better af, no blackout will appeal massively too. In fact, it looks like the perfect option for weddings/ events for Sony shooters.
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Yes, for Sony shooters it's a step up.
No one is asking people to jump ship.
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All the bloggers who are saying it's the death of DSLR are!
 
Eloise said:
Yes, for Sony shooters it's a step up.

All the bloggers who are saying it's the death of DSLR are!
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There will be people who simply must have the latest and greatest even when by any objective assessment they don't need it. There's nothing wrong with that if they can afford it... look at Leica... there are people who buy there kit just to own it. CSC seems to be the area that's moving forward and that will create interest, chatter and sales. DSLR's don't seem to be and seem in comparison and could seem rather boring if you're a spec chasing gear head.
 
Started with Sony alphas then SLTs but didn't like their SLTs. Moved to Nikon and Sony mirrorless but again didn't enjoy the Sony. I tried the Fujis, loved them so sold my Nikons and now only run a fuji system with lots of Nikon flashguns.

It terms of customer service and from my experience I would rate as follows: 1. Fuji 2. Nikon 3. Sony
 
Raymond Lin said:
I need my 2.8 lenses, in fact, I think 2.8 is too slow. It is 2 stops slower than what I am used to.

I never said Sony don't have any lenses, I listed them all, I said they don't have the lenses that this camera's target audience is going for, the 1D and D5 owners. These are the people who shoots exclusively at the LONG focal length. The FACT is Sony do not have these lenses.

That is a fact. The weakness is so weak that there is zero lenses for those people. It's not like they have a crap 500mm, they don't have a 500mm. Full Stop.

The people who shoots portraits or the people who shoot around 100mm distance in events or weddings even don't need 20 fps.

As for Fuji, their bodies are not £4,500 and going for the pros, it seems they are targeting the keen amateurs who just like to downsize their gear, I don't foresee any Sports togs giving up their 1DX for a X-T2 and shoot the FA Cup final any time soon.
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The thing is. If they released a 400mm prime or bigger first. I foresee people here moan and say well where's the body for sports?

Dammed if they do as the saying goes.

The lenses will come. Just be patient.
 
snerkler said:
A new lens every month? What did they release last year, and the year before?


But then you're not comparing apples with apples. No point comparing none native lenses, you could throw Sigma and Tamron EF and F mount into the mix if you're doing that ;)
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Last year they released multiple g master lenses. Some primes etc etc.

I said a new lens nearly every month.
 
snerkler said:
A new lens every month? What did they release last year, and the year before?


But then you're not comparing apples with apples. No point comparing none native lenses, you could throw Sigma and Tamron EF and F mount into the mix if you're doing that ;)
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Did Tamron and sigma make lenses for e mount from the get go?
 
jonneymendoza said:
The thing is. If they released a 400mm prime or bigger first. I foresee people here moan and say well where's the body for sports?

Dammed if they do as the saying goes.

The lenses will come. Just be patient.
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Sony shouldn't worry about what people say or think. They should just concentrate on producing the lenses, they have enough bodies as it is.
 
architectfadi said:
Started with Sony alphas then SLTs but didn't like their SLTs. Moved to Nikon and Sony mirrorless but again didn't enjoy the Sony. I tried the Fujis, loved them so sold my Nikons and now only run a fuji system with lots of Nikon flashguns.

It terms of customer service and from my experience I would rate as follows: 1. Fuji 2. Nikon 3. Sony
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Wow fuji ahead? People say nikon and Canon have the best customer service?
 
architectfadi said:
Sony shouldn't worry about what people say or think. They should just concentrate on producing the lenses, they have enough bodies as it is.
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No not really
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You would have moaned and said. Well where's the 12+ fps sports camera with dual card slot and ethernet port for pro sports shooters?
 
twist said:
Bloggers don't make money from their recommendations though do they?
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So you assum everyone that was invited to use the A9 were paid?

Do yopu have proof of it? Nope.

Have you actually used an A9? Nope. So i would take a bloggers world over you any day of the week.

Thanks to Bloggers i dont have to buy it just to test it out. The bloggers do it all for me.

Yea i have pre ordered it but i did not put a single penny on my pre order and i can change my mind any time.
 
jonneymendoza said:
So you assum everyone that was invited to use the A9 were paid?

Do yopu have proof of it? Nope.

Have you actually used an A9? Nope. So i would take a bloggers world over you any day of the week.

Thanks to Bloggers i dont have to buy it just to test it out. The bloggers do it all for me.

Yea i have pre ordered it but i did not put a single penny on my pre order and i can change my mind any time.
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No but it's an incentive. You would because you fall for the hype... every single time.

I didn't say bloggers were bad but there is financial gain in most cases or they wouldn't do it.
 
twist said:
Buy I thought you said the a9 is a sports body?
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It is?

i was commenting on people moaning about Sony . You and others have preached about lack of lenses(they have been releasing a ton of lenses over the past year or so) You complained about no sports type body(they now have one)

Now you will complain about Long tele lenses(rightly so but see the pattern? For every demand you ask for, Sony answers)

Give it time they will release more tele lenses.

But anyways are you a sports shooter? Do you even shoot beyond 300mm? If not why are you concerned about the longer tele part?

If sony has a very capable body and lenses from a focal length that meets your needs, why complain?
 
twist said:
No but it's an incentive. You would because you fall for the hype... every single time.
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Fall into Hype? Was the A7r2 all hype? Nope its a great camera.

Is teh 5d4 all hype? Nope.

You only say that because none of those cameras have a Nikon Badge.

Ive had my a7r2 when it first came out. still use it . 5d4, still using it.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
It is?

i was commenting on people moaning about Sony . You and others have preached about lack of lenses(they have been releasing a ton of lenses over the past year or so) You complained about no sports type body(they now have one)

Now you will complain about Long tele lenses(rightly so but see the pattern? For every demand you ask for, Sony answers)

Give it time they will release more tele lenses.

But anyways are you a sports shooter? Do you even shoot beyond 300mm? If not why are you concerned about the longer tele part?

If sony has a very capable body and lenses from a focal length that meets your needs, why complain?
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I think you're a bit confused, read your posts again.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Fall into Hype? Was the A7r2 all hype? Nope its a great camera.

Is teh 5d4 all hype? Nope.

You only say that because none of those cameras have a Nikon Badge
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You banged on about the a7r2 being as fast as canon native when you got it, and were pointing to youtube videos but then you found the opposite...

It's a good camera but you believe whatever anyone says about a new product, you fall for the hype.

Pmsl. I've used far more brands than you have.
 
twist said:
No but it's an incentive. You would because you fall for the hype... every single time.

I didn't say bloggers were bad but there is financial gain in most cases or they wouldn't do it.
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Bloggers get hits from sponsors and clicks from youtubes mostl.

Not really from sony etc.

Its funny because Most of these bloggers use a wide range of gear, not just Sony and most have bashed Sony badly.

Check out that Tony northwood guy i think his called. Him and his missus always complaining about Sony gear and how manyt imes have they been invited to Sony events?
 
jonneymendoza said:
So you assum everyone that was invited to use the A9 were paid?

Do yopu have proof of it? Nope.

Have you actually used an A9? Nope. So i would take a bloggers world over you any day of the week.

Thanks to Bloggers i dont have to buy it just to test it out. The bloggers do it all for me.

Yea i have pre ordered it but i did not put a single penny on my pre order and i can change my mind any time.
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Bloggers don't get paid to talk about the Sony A9; but if they want to make money from their blogs they have to drive traffic which tends to be by using hype and hyperbole to describe things when it comes to reviewing.

No one has really used a Sony A9 outside of controlled situations - it's like the video on PetaPixel (I think it is) where they show off how there is no blackout while taking 20fps and keeping focus tracking: yes they are focus tracking, but not tracking a subject which is challenging. What will happen in a real world situation?
jonneymendoza said:
Did Tamron and sigma make lenses for e mount from the get go?
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Not checked in depth, but Sigma's 75-300 launched in 1988 was available for EF (and Minolta AF too).
 
twist said:
You banged on about the a7r2 being as fast as canon native when you got it, and were pointing to youtube videos but then you found the opposite...

It's a good camera but you believe whatever anyone says about a new product, you fall for the hype.

Pmsl. I've used far more brands than you have.
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Canon lenses work fine from a certain focal pint(135mm max i think) they work fine. The 24-70 works like native on my A7r2.

There is a fine printy different between what i mean by native.

When i mean Native i mean a canon lens works as fast and accurate as when you slap on a G master Native E mount etc. What i dont mean is that the lens all of a sudden focus faster then E mount lenses do and focus like a 5d3/5d4.

No it doesnt. Both cameras have different AF systems and the A7r2 AF system is not as fast as a 5d3/5d. Its very close to being fast but not quite not far off
 
jonneymendoza said:
Canon lenses work fine from a certain focal pint(135mm max i think) they work fine. The 24-70 works like native on my A7r2.

There is a fine printy different between what i mean by native.

When i mean Native i mean a canon lens works as fast and accurate as when you slap on a G master Native E mount etc. What i dont mean is that the lens all of a sudden focus faster then E mount lenses do and focus like a 5d3/5d4.

No it doesnt. Both cameras have different AF systems and the A7r2 AF system is not as fast as a 5d3/5d. Its very close to being fast but not quite not far off
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No, I seem to recall you said it was as fast as your mk3.
 
jonneymendoza said:
If sony has a very capable body and lenses from a focal length that meets your needs, why complain?
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I've just had two weeks in Thailand with my GF and also my A7 with 35mm f2.8 and a 1" compact and I didn't feel I was missing anything kit wise... but there are people on forums who seem to insist that every feature, ability and lens is available even if they'll only use them once in a blue moon if ever.

Such is life.
 
woof woof said:
I've just had two weeks in Thailand with my GF and also my A7 with 35mm f2.8 and a 1" compact and I didn't feel I was missing anything kit wise... but there are people on forums who seem to insist that every feature, ability and lens is available even if they'll only use them once in a blue moon if ever.

Such is life.
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That's true, I wasn't talking about long primes for my own requirements or much tbh. I get away with 1 lens these days. Im waiting for the a7rii to drop to where Id like and I'll definitely snap it up. No system is perfect.
 
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I think, if nothing else after 7 pages of back and forth, and more internet chatter than I can remember, that we can safely say that this camera has created a stir.

That's got to be a good thing, the DSLR market is very stagnant and slow moving. Even if you hate Sony with a passion you know that the engineers at CaNikon will have a9s on order and figuring out how the hell they keep up. That's a good thing for everyone.

Personally I'm still waiting for Sony to make a vaguely affordable FE body with configurable Auto ISO, but I enjoyed my time enough with the a7 to know that I will make the jump eventually.
 
jonneymendoza said:
No not really
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You would have moaned and said. Well where's the 12+ fps sports camera with dual card slot and ethernet port for pro sports shooters?
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Not really. I enjoyed my X-T1 with all its limitations because I prefer and enjoy glass more.

I don't buy cameras, I buy into systems. I will buy into a Sony system again if Sony can prove that they can deliver a full system from glass to customer service. Till then I m happy to wait and in no rush.
 
ukaskew said:
I think, if nothing else after 7 pages of back and forth, and more internet chatter than I can remember, that we can safely say that this camera has created a stir.

That's got to be a good thing, the DSLR market is very stagnant and slow moving. Even if you hate Sony with a passion you know that the engineers at CaNikon will have a9s on order and figuring out how the hell they keep up. That's a good thing for everyone.

Personally I'm still waiting for Sony to make a vaguely affordable FE body with configurable Auto ISO, but I enjoyed my time enough with the a7 to know that I will make the jump eventually.
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The only thing I'd say in response to the comment about the DSLR market being stagnant and lacking new technology is that it doesn't stop them delivering the results that photographers actually need. I don't remember anyone complaining that the Nikon D750 would be a great camera if only it had NFC built in or delivered a few more fps. In the same way, the 5D range would be great if only it also let me transfer direct to my iPhone for sharing pictures via Facebook.

All of the new features pitched in the A9 are good news because it means a company is putting money into the development of new ideas but I don't think that current DSLRs are holding back jobbing photographers.
 
stevelmx5 said:
The only thing I'd say in response to the comment about the DSLR market being stagnant and lacking new technology is that it doesn't stop them delivering the results that photographers actually need. I don't remember anyone complaining that the Nikon D750 would be a great camera if only it had NFC built in or delivered a few more fps. In the same way, the 5D range would be great if only it also let me transfer direct to my iPhone for sharing pictures via Facebook.

All of the new features pitched in the A9 are good news because it means a company is putting money into the development of new ideas but I don't think that current DSLRs are holding back jobbing photographers.
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I'd be surprised if Canon didn't add a few of the features it put into the M5 into it's DSLR's soon.

The way it connects to it's phone app in genuinely useful (bluetooth, with camera on - open app, that's it) and the drag the screen to move focus whilst using EVF is quicker than a joystick.

Nothing to do with A9 of course, not even same market, just pointing out other manufacturers are innovating as well.
 
stevelmx5 said:
The only thing I'd say in response to the comment about the DSLR market being stagnant and lacking new technology is that it doesn't stop them delivering the results that photographers actually need. I don't remember anyone complaining that the Nikon D750 would be a great camera if only it had NFC built in or delivered a few more fps. In the same way, the 5D range would be great if only it also let me transfer direct to my iPhone for sharing pictures via Facebook.

All of the new features pitched in the A9 are good news because it means a company is putting money into the development of new ideas but I don't think that current DSLRs are holding back jobbing photographers.
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Funny enough a lot of people here where criticising the 5d4 release...
 
stevelmx5 said:
The only thing I'd say in response to the comment about the DSLR market being stagnant and lacking new technology is that it doesn't stop them delivering the results that photographers actually need. I don't remember anyone complaining that the Nikon D750 would be a great camera if only it had NFC built in or delivered a few more fps.
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That's true, the D750 really is a great piece of kit. However, I bet plenty of owners would take completely silent shooting and full-AF through the tilting LCD in a heartbeat. I see the a9 more as a wedding camera than a sports camera right now.

More so than the ridiculous FPS I think those other features will be system sellers that DSLRs are struggling to replicate.
 
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