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So, buying and/or renting good cameras is really, really expensive for me :/

Anyone know where I can find some better value gear?
 
Why not just mug a photographer who has what you need? There are lots of resources on sites like this which will tell you where to go, and when. That's got to be the ultimate in value.
 
StewartR said:
Why not just mug a photographer who has what you need?
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Probably not the funniest thing you have ever said, how about hire some from a rental company with a bent credit card and do a runner?
 
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StewartR said:
Try it. You won't succeed.
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Still don't think even joking about mugging photographers is funny and I usually have quite a dark sense of humour

Did you chuckle when your gaff got turned over and that didn't involve violence?
 
tijuana taxi said:
Still don't think even joking about mugging photographers is funny and I usually have quite a dark sense of humour

Did you chuckle when your gaff got turned over and that didn't involve violence?
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Yeah, fair point. I probably stepped over the line there. It just annoys me that people on this forum are so keen to promote one specific kind of illegal activity (tax evasion) and I wanted to make the point that if you're not bothered about legality, why not go the whole hog? But I guess it was a bit tasteless. Sorry for any offence.
 
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Anyway, back on topic and a bit more helpful, hopefully:

viewfromthenorth said:
Grey imports tend to be cheaper, try hdew. Alternatively buying grey from Hong Kong such as Digitalrev or panamoz can work out cheaper.
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I found the OP's other thread where it seems he's setting up some kind of business. If that's the case then buying from grey importers is a really bad idea, for two reasons.

One: VAT evasion is illegal and it's far easier for HMRC to detect when a business is doing it because of the need to file annual accounts. Plus the consequences for a business are far more serious than for a private individual, because it's harder to claim you didn't understand what you were doing. You really want to keep your books squeaky clean.

Two: As a business you're going to be reclaiming the VAT on your purchases anyway, and in that situation regular UK suppliers are nearly always cheaper. There are exceptions, but mainly only for newly-released equipment where UK suppliers keep their initial prices high for the must-have-it-now brigade to a greater extent than Far Eastern suppliers do.
 
I think it may well be the German Equivalent of the HMRC Stuart, as the OP is Berlin based... Though I'd say your points are valid, as I doubt that the German tax collectors are anything less than ruthlessly efficient in their work :)
 
But will OP ever return to learn from our accumulated "wisdom".

Things do look a bit odd!
 
StewartR said:
Yeah, fair point. I probably stepped over the line there. It just annoys me that people on this forum are so keen to promote one specific kind of illegal activity (tax evasion) and I wanted to make the point that if you're not bothered about legality, why not go the whole hog? But I guess it was a bit tasteless. Sorry for any offence.
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Good on yer, sorry to have got a bit stroppy, but mugging is bit of a sore point with me.

I had a mate with a proper old east end ma, salt of the earth type who always found an extra dinner for anyone who dropped in.
She got mugged one evening on her way to the bingo and it changed her completely, afterwards scared to hardly go out of the house
Died a few years later and never got back to her old self, one mugger did what the blitz couldn't, never got the b*****d either
 
Justin.Qamera said:
So, buying and/or renting good cameras is really, really expensive for me :/

Anyone know where I can find some better value gear?
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Get a better paid job?
 
StewartR said:
Anyway, back on topic and a bit more helpful, hopefully:



I found the OP's other thread where it seems he's setting up some kind of business. If that's the case then buying from grey importers is a really bad idea, for two reasons.

One: VAT evasion is illegal and it's far easier for HMRC to detect when a business is doing it because of the need to file annual accounts. Plus the consequences for a business are far more serious than for a private individual, because it's harder to claim you didn't understand what you were doing. You really want to keep your books squeaky clean.

Two: As a business you're going to be reclaiming the VAT on your purchases anyway, and in that situation regular UK suppliers are nearly always cheaper. There are exceptions, but mainly only for newly-released equipment where UK suppliers keep their initial prices high for the must-have-it-now brigade to a greater extent than Far Eastern suppliers do.
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A friend of mine bought one of his camera through his business via panamoz and it was fine on the books?

Not sure why it would be issue a issue. He still declared it on his books
 
jonneymendoza said:
A friend of mine bought one of his camera through his business via panamoz and it was fine on the books?

Not sure why it would be issue a issue. He still declared it on his books
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Just wait until HMRC do an inspection and start asking about VAT receipts. Then he's in trouble.
 
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No VAT receipt, no claiming VAT back. So if you did not pay it in the first place then who cares. Its the seller who has to pay the VAT back to the government, they would have to pay 20% out of the cut price if they want to remain out of jail.

At it simplest scenario............
 
Mark Johnson said:
Its the seller who has to pay the VAT back to the government, they would have to pay 20% out of the cut price if they want to remain out of jail.
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Generally true, but not in this case. If you buy from an overseas supplier such as Panamoz, you are the importer and you are responsible for declaring and paying import duty and VAT.
 
StewartR said:
Just wait until HMRC do an inspection and start asking about VAT receipts. Then he's in trouble.
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It's panamoz that need to pay vat. My mates company has already declared and paid his vat from the income he gets.

His purchasing goods. Surely you are allowed to purchase goods abroad.
 
jonneymendoza said:
His purchasing goods. Surely you are allowed to purchase goods abroad.
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Of course you are. But import duty and VAT have to be paid.
jonneymendoza said:
It's panamoz that need to pay vat.
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No, sorry, you're totally wrong about this. Panamoz and the other "grey" retailers make it clear in their terms and conditions of sale that the buyer is the importer, and it is the importer who is responsible for declaring and paying VAT.
jonneymendoza said:
My mates company has already declared and paid his vat from the income he gets.
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Sorry again Jonny, but this says to me that you simply don't understand how VAT works. It's nothing to do with your company's income. You might be thinking of corporation tax, but that's a totally separate and different thing.
 
Time to get the popcorn out.
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
Herewith starts the latest tax avoidance argument.
The pity is that OP has toddled off and won't see the fruits of his labours in this soon to be 100 post thread.
 
jonneymendoza said:
It's panamoz that need to pay vat. My mates company has already declared and paid his vat from the income he gets.

His purchasing goods. Surely you are allowed to purchase goods abroad.
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You are not purchasing goods you are importing them and therefore responsible for the VAT.
 
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