Diesel car sales to plunge again this year, study warns

MatBin said:
Keep going you're on a roll, don't think there's many you have left out, maybe motorhomes are next :)
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That was supposed to be motorhomes but auto correct changed it. ;).
The sad bastards usually take anything from 2 to 4 spaces.
 
MatBin said:
If they are diesels they are probably getting more to the gallon than your bike (or mine).
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probably but a lot less fun, dunno though my z750 seems pretty good.
 
Garry Edwards said:
This sums up the problem, it's all very well for environmentalists, politicians and the like, but in the real world, not everyone lives in London and not everyone can manage without a diesel car..
My own car is a Shogun, with 4WD, low transfer box, loads of torque and poor fuel economy - and the reason I have it is that I need to drive off road, quite often on boggy fields, whilst towing a trailer with up to 60 bales of hay on it - now, if anyone can point me towards an electric car that can do that, or even a petrol one that does more than about 8mpg, please let me know...
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nilagin said:
Or is it more of a case of uncertainty of whether having to pay full price for the electricity as opposed to being able to use cheap diesel.
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No, it has nothing to do with the price of electricity, and diesel isn't cheap because the car is used on road as well as off road, so red diesel isn't an option. it's all about
1. Fitness for purpose - right now, there are no electric cars capable of doing what my diesel car has to do, or even of getting anywhere close to it. If all that I needed to do was to drive between one city street and another city street, then I could choose between diesel, petrol, hybrid or electric, but diesel is the only option available for a car that has to do heavy work. The only other option is a tractor, which not only creates far more pollution, it also damages the land because of it's weight.
2. Availability of resources - our farm is 9.5 miles from the nearest town, which has just one filling station that has just one charging point, so even if there was a suitable electric car, it wouldn't be practicable - and I think that it will be a very long time before this improves to the point that rural areas have enough infrastructure in place.
 
Garry Edwards said:
No, it has nothing to do with the price of electricity, and diesel isn't cheap because the car is used on road as well as off road, so red diesel isn't an option. it's all about
1. Fitness for purpose - right now, there are no electric cars capable of doing what my diesel car has to do, or even of getting anywhere close to it. If all that I needed to do was to drive between one city street and another city street, then I could choose between diesel, petrol, hybrid or electric, but diesel is the only option available for a car that has to do heavy work. The only other option is a tractor, which not only creates far more pollution, it also damages the land because of it's weight.
2. Availability of resources - our farm is 9.5 miles from the nearest town, which has just one filling station that has just one charging point, so even if there was a suitable electric car, it wouldn't be practicable - and I think that it will be a very long time before this improves to the point that rural areas have enough infrastructure in place.
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You'd charge the vehicle on the farm over night. I'm assuming your farm has electricity? It would be more convenient than having to do near 20 miles return trip to fill with diesel. Home chargers are included with a grant so you can normally get one for free when you buy any EV or PHEV.

Are you sure the plug in Outlander wouldn't do the job? If it can be kept within the electric range then it would be far cheaper to run than the shogun. You can tow with it up to 1500KG braked weight. Would that be enough? It's got 4wd lock and you don't need a low ratio with an electric motor either. A PHEV version of the Shogun would be better at it. I'd imagine they'd do one in the near future.
 
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srichards said:
You'd charge the vehicle on the farm over night. I'm assuming your farm has electricity? It would be more convenient than having to do near 20 miles return trip to fill with diesel. Home chargers are included with a grant so you can normally get one for free when you buy any EV or PHEV.

Are you sure the plug in Outlander wouldn't do the job? If it can be kept within the electric range then it would be far cheaper to run than the shogun. You can tow with it up to 1500KG braked weight. Would that be enough? It's got 4wd lock and you don't need a low ratio with an electric motor either.
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Nowhere near tough enough, and couldn't pull the weights needed, which when off road is often around 4 tonnes.
Yes, we could theoretically re-charge from the farmhouse, but that's about 90m from where the car could be parked
 
Garry Edwards said:
Nowhere near tough enough, and couldn't pull the weights needed, which when off road is often around 4 tonnes.
Yes, we could theoretically re-charge from the farmhouse, but that's about 90m from where the car could be parked
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its called a tractor and it lives on the farm and you drive there and back in your eco vehicle, job done.
 
Mr Bump said:
its called a tractor and it lives on the farm and you drive there and back in your eco vehicle, job done.
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Really?
You actually believe that?
I think we've clearly established that you're not a farmer.
Let me hazard a guess - you live on a suburban street, you've never driven off road and you've never actually been on a farm...

Please don't bother to respond on my behalf, I've said all that I'm going to say on this topic.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
I'll just run my old ones or maybe even buy another used. Why? Because it makes a lot more sense than new. A lot cheaper and just as good.
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Not always. Depending on what you plan on buying some new cars are cheaper than some 2nd hand cars.
Plus if it's a particular car you want, new maybe all that's available. Just before I bought my present car back in September, my only option was buy a year old car or buy it new. A 2nd hand one (hoping I could find the spec I wanted) on finance worked out more expensive than buying it new (getting the spec I wanted) plus the new car has had a few upgrades which are far better than what was fitted to the year old cars and would have cost around £1500 to retrofit. So I bought brand new, got the spec and colour I wanted, with a 5yr manufacturers warranty instead of 2. VED is also cheaper than the year old model, no need to spend out £1500 on the few driver friendly retrofit upgrades. Instead I can spend less than that on a warranty friendly performance upgrade and I still will be better off financially than if I had bought 2nd hand.
 
nilagin said:
Not always. Depending on what you plan on buying some new cars are cheaper than some 2nd hand cars.
Plus if it's a particular car you want, new maybe all that's available. Just before I bought my present car back in September, my only option was buy a year old car or buy it new. A 2nd hand one (hoping I could find the spec I wanted) on finance worked out more expensive than buying it new (getting the spec I wanted) plus the new car has had a few upgrades which are far better than what was fitted to the year old cars and would have cost around £1500 to retrofit. So I bought brand new, got the spec and colour I wanted, with a 5yr manufacturers warranty instead of 2. VED is also cheaper than the year old model, no need to spend out £1500 on the few driver friendly retrofit upgrades. Instead I can spend less than that on a warranty friendly performance upgrade and I still will be better off financially than if I had bought 2nd hand.
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1yo - maybe; 5-9 year old is cheaper hands down.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
1yo - maybe; 5-9 year old is cheaper hands down.
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But a mk3 Focus RS can only be bought from 2016 onwards and if that is what you want, that is what you buy.(y) I don't particularly like the mk2 Focus RS so wouldn't buy one of them. I keep looking at Mk1 Focus RS though. May invest in an unmolested low mileage one and watch it carry on going up in value, or I may just wait and see if they do a mk4 Focus RS in around 5 or 6 years time and if it takes my fancy, buy one as a stalemate for my mk3. Who knows it could even be a hybrid.
 
Makes me chuckle when people go out of their way to save £20 a month on VED on a £250 a month car lease/finance.

My E46 bmw has lost £800 in value in 3 years, cost £750 in tax in 3 years, £165 in MOTs and £200 in servicing.

£2k ish over 3 years vs maybe £15k on a new one.

No brainer really.

Sure, my car is 15 years old and the gearbox is a bit lumpy when cold but I have still spent over £13k less then the bloke who bought a new one:)
 
Donnie said:
Good for you, but I didnt buy a new car to save £20 a month on VED, don't know where you are getting the idea that's why people buy new?
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My comment on VED wasn't about old vs new, it was regarding people getting so hung up on what VED costs considering how much they are spending on a car anyway.

If you are spending £5k a year on a car then why worry about saving a few quid on VED.

Buying brand new car is generally a poor financial decision anyway considering depreciation.

Even with maintenance and repairs, very rarely would a used car cost anywhere near a brand new one over 3 years.
 
I never bought new to save on VED, it's just an added bonus that it does cost less.
My car is 4 months old and it has zero depreciation. Why? Because it is not for sale a nor will it ever be. It has no finance, I paid it off after a month. Maintenance costs are the same as 2nd hand. It has a 5yr warranty as opposed to possibly having 2 or 4yrs warranty a 2nd hand car would have had, so no money to be spent on repairs for a longer period of time. Had I bought 2nd hand I would have been less likely to have wanted to keep the car and once a car has more than one owner, that automatically devalues the car further. Plus buying brand new i get to buy the colour and spec i want out of all the possible extras rather than hope for a 2nd hand one to come along in the spec i want and if that can't be found, have to make a compromise on something and then later regret that the car didn't have everything I wanted or wrong colour.
 
Is the whole VED thing being misunderstood?

The VED cost was linked to the emissions wasn't it, therefore a lower cost in VED indicated that the car had lower emissions and as this discussion went down that route I'd suggest people mentioned the VED cost to highlight that emissions relationship. After all who knows the emissions of their car off the top of their head.

My diesel car cost £30 a year, my wife's petrol car costs £115 a year. Which one has the larger emissions?
 
My car is due to go back in April and I'm still not sure what to get. It won't be another lease because bik is getting silly so I'm looking at older used. I don't mind getting my hands dirty for maintenance work, but I still want decent reliability. Really want to go back to petrol but as it's large SUVs I'm looking at then it's either diesel or a large petrol, which throws economy right out of the window.
 
PaulF said:
Is the whole VED thing being misunderstood?

The VED cost was linked to the emissions wasn't it, therefore a lower cost in VED indicated that the car had lower emissions and as this discussion went down that route I'd suggest people mentioned the VED cost to highlight that emissions relationship. After all who knows the emissions of their car off the top of their head.

My diesel car cost £30 a year, my wife's petrol car costs £115 a year. Which one has the larger emissions?
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VED is only based on CO2 emissions which only impact on the climate. Diesel engines however produce larger amounts of particulate matter and Nox, which can have an impact on people' health. So it depends on which emissions you feel are most important to answer your question.
My wife's car also happens to cost £30 a year in VED, but her car is a petrol.
 
nilagin said:
VED is only based on CO2 emissions which only impact on the climate. Diesel engines however produce larger amounts of particulate matter and Nox, which can have an impact on people' health. So it depends on which emissions you feel are most important to answer your question.
My wife's car also happens to cost £30 a year in VED, but her car is a petrol.
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Cheers, I'd assumed, incorrectly, that all the nasties were taken into account ref the VED cost.

Paul W. H said:
The spanner in the works here is the fact that it is also relevant to the number of miles driven.
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My diesel does 25k+ and my wifes petrol less than 10k per year.
 
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