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£1200.....do you really need that zoom in this size?
Can get an A7R2 used for that price. Sure no lens but how desperate do you need that compactness?
Can get an A7R2 used for that price. Sure no lens but how desperate do you need that compactness?
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it will sell i am sure, i think the lens is a great move for the market its aimed at, tbh i wouldnt go for another camera this small found it hard to hold-then again i found the a7r2 crap to hold and sold it
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AF isn't as good thoughRX10 Mk1 gives the same range, constant F2.8 and a better lens. Yes I know it’s quite a bit bigger but 1/4 of price
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Yup it lost me loads of street shots!
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Compactness is over-rated, most of us [hobbyist/enthusiast whatever] will have a bag of some kind on or around us most times we head out, and there's plenty of small compact interchangeable lens cameras with pancake offerings for a fraction of the cost. Size really only matters when you're talking large/bulky. The older model had a more impressive lens, the 1.8 - 2.8 zoom, having a longer but slower lens will be a downgrade to many.
A 24_200mm 2.8/4 pancake?
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His preference is the shorter end clearly. Many shooters don't care about zoom, there was a long thread about tele lenses recently that showed this. They're trying to strike a balance I guess, but they will lose those who preferred a shorter but brighter lens, and gain those who prefer a bit of reach [though that crowd are more likely to go for a super zoom bridge camera if size doesn't bother them]
Many here don't, I only really use 2x FL but the larger market wants a do it all and I'm sure it will appeal. Folks easily spend a grand on a phone for it's slightly better camera over another. It's tiny and convenient.
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I'm not sure tbh. Those that are happy to spend £800-1000 on a phone are generally happy with the camera on their phone imo, expensive cameras are generally reserved for those with an interest in photography. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the new RX100 will sell, but it will be interesting to see in what numbers. Maybe the Japanese market will love it.
The rx100v was 1k they must've sold enough to think this will do the same. Plenty of electronics may seem overpriced but there's still a large market for them. Not just people who are into phones that spend huge amounts of money on them or cars or watches or gopros etc etc. There's a lot of money out there.
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There has been minor changes between all the models but the jump from v to vi is significant because of the much longer lens. I think it’s a bit of a game changer! Having used an rx10 in this range I often stopped down to 5.6 at the longer end so 4.5 wouldn’t bother me.
For me the rx100 mkiii offers the most attractive feature set to price point but I would like the faster focus of the five model.
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I wouldn't call it a game changer when the TZ100 and TZ200 both offer substantial zooms and are 1" type sensor. I'm not saying that the Sony isn't better, just not a game changer
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I am a fast lens bokeh whore and for me this is a step backwards. I wouldn’t give a toss for the 200mm because it’s an electronic zoom motor which you have to wait for the gears to move from its default 24mm (on power on) to 200mm. Then back again, it is a pain in the butt, you will miss shots composing.
Personally I’d prefer the mkV more.
Also they are making a big deal of it being a vlogging camera but it’s not really that wide, it should be like 16mm to be comfortable for vlogging.
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I’d probably prefer a v too but even that wouldn’t satisfy your bokeh cravings. These cameras are not bokehlicious!
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A game changer for Sony then! TBH I wasn’t aware of the ones you mention. No wonder Sony increased the lens range!I wouldn't call it a game changer when the TZ100 and TZ200 both offer substantial zooms and are 1" type sensor. I'm not saying that the Sony isn't better, just not a game changer
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Zoom compacts are not the ideal choice for bokeh lovers, and I'm not sure how many there are with a fast 16mm equiv at the wide end either (are there any?).
But when it comes to defocused backgrounds (bokeh) focal length has a big impact and is at least as important as f/number. In fact, the new MkVI produces significantly more background blur at 200mm equiv focal length f/4.5 than the MkV does at 70mm f/2.8. Doubling focal length increases background blur by the equivalent of a lens f/number two stops lower (varies slightly with background distance). Check it out with this blur simulator
https://dofsimulator.net/en/
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I know how it works...lol
It’s not JUST about bokeh, there’s also a stop. Which I’m sure you know which I don’t think I need to explain what a stop is
And as for how many compact are there with 16mm? Does that matter? Someone has to be the first and my point is if they are pushing sales to vloggers then 16mm would be more useful than 200mm, they made the whole control stick for this very purpose.
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Good review here, which points out some annoyances.
Biggest is still no mic input, even though it now has bluetooth which could be a neat wireless way to do it (and accessory sale opportunity)
There is still no onboard way to do timelapse intervalometer and they have done away with the apps feature too so can't use that.
He mentions new video options e.g. slog3 which is good.
For many version 5 might still be better, especially considering the hefty price tag.
You are getting an extremely capable camera in compact form though.
Biggest is still no mic input, even though it now has bluetooth which could be a neat wireless way to do it (and accessory sale opportunity)
There is still no onboard way to do timelapse intervalometer and they have done away with the apps feature too so can't use that.
He mentions new video options e.g. slog3 which is good.
For many version 5 might still be better, especially considering the hefty price tag.
You are getting an extremely capable camera in compact form though.
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I’m not quite sure I understand why vloggers would want 16mm? After all ultra wide angle plus distortion isn’t the best way to present oneself and the 16mm combo is already available if they wanted to go down that route. (dslr plus uwa lens which can both be obtained very cheaply, not that money is often an issue to vloggers!)I know how it works...lol
It’s not JUST about bokeh, there’s also a stop. Which I’m sure you know which I don’t think I need to explain what a stop is
And as for how many compact are there with 16mm? Does that matter? Someone has to be the first and my point is if they are pushing sales to vloggers then 16mm would be more useful than 200mm, they made the whole control stick for this very purpose.
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i just think this would be a great compact travel camera,
yep its a daft price but there are plenty of people which spare cash about, and if the image quality is still up there i am sure it will sell well. i wish it had a built in grip for those of us without child like hands its a little two compact for me
yep its a daft price but there are plenty of people which spare cash about, and if the image quality is still up there i am sure it will sell well. i wish it had a built in grip for those of us without child like hands
its a little two compact for me
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If you are not sure why they want 16mm then I'll just let them explain and show you. 4:05 in. She makes SPECIFIC comment on her favourite lens is 16-35 and then 24-70 is NOT best to vlog with. And your comment on they can just get a DSLR, well, you can get a DSLR with zooms too. My argument and it is supported by Sony by making that vlogging stick control thing…is they are pushing this FOR vloggers. So they are making that stick, but don't give them the lens or the audio jack.
3:25 in.
Kai says "Number 1 is this, for vlogging, always have an ultra wide angle zoom"
I mean what focal length do you think this is? and I am sure you know who they are.
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Then they have plenty of options already on the market!If you are not sure why they want 16mm then I'll just let them explain and show you. 4:05 in. She makes SPECIFIC comment on her favourite lens is 16-35 and then 24-70 is NOT best to vlog with. And your comment on they can just get a DSLR, well, you can get a DSLR with zooms too. My argument and it is supported by Sony by making that vlogging stick control thing…is they are pushing this FOR vloggers. So they are making that stick, but don't give them the lens or the audio jack.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRCngWau2GE
3:25 in.
Kai says "Number 1 is this, for vlogging, always have an ultra wide angle zoom"
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOpy7V2Mokc
I mean what focal length do you think this is? and I am sure you know who they are.
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You asked "Why do vloggers want 16mm and you don't understand".
I showed you., and now that you understood.
You answer "They have plenty of options on the market".
I am not sure what you are trying to say except you agreed with everything i said because you are changing the goal post of your original question.
The POINT is Sony is making an effort to sell this for vloggers (the stick, the flip screen, 4k) but they are not giving them the lens or the audio.
By other options then they are not buying this camera, meaning all this half ass effort is wasted and vlog. if you are a vlogger, mk5 does 1.8 on the wide end or now 2.8. What would you pick? You are hardly going to shoot 200mm at your eyeball for the vlog.
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I'm defo getting the Mk VI, I had the MK I and then got the Mk IV and absolutely love it but the 24-70 equiv lens is the Achilles heel for me so when they announced the Mk VI with the 24-200 I was over the moon.
Yes it's very expensive but I love the RX 100 cameras, the compact size and full features and excellent IQ makes them a winning combo for me.
I have an A7R2 + set of lenses and an A6300 with a set of lenses but lately I've been using the RX100 IV most, it just suits my circumstances and life style at the moment and its always with me because it's so pocketable, but just lacks enough reach.
Yes it's very expensive but I love the RX 100 cameras, the compact size and full features and excellent IQ makes them a winning combo for me.
I have an A7R2 + set of lenses and an A6300 with a set of lenses but lately I've been using the RX100 IV most, it just suits my circumstances and life style at the moment and its always with me because it's so pocketable, but just lacks enough reach.