Nikon mirrorless definitely on the way

Eloise said:
If only there were camera stores, where you can go and try things, rather than everything being sold on the internet... :exit:
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I did pop into my one and only local camera store (LCE) but they don't stock Peak Design or Black Rapid.

They did have some generic camera strap; but it was not what I wanted.

I'd prefer to buy from a bricks and mortar store, and preferably from a specialist retailer, than buying it from the interweb - but sometimes you simply cannot.
 
jj_glos said:
In what way? The pictures and text describe that, and the video shows it that way when used as a shoulder strap as well. Rubber grips on the shoulder, resulting in the buckles facing inwards. This is logical as when reversed to use as a slide the buckles need to face out.
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I see what you mean... I guess I only ever use it in sling mode...

Advantage of never reading instructions I guess: I never even considered using it with the buckles ‘inside’ - even when just holding it on one shoulder (which is very rare as that’s why I bought a sling strap :))
 
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Uncle Fester said:
I did pop into my one and only local camera store (LCE) but they don't stock Peak Design or Black Rapid.
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Just in case ... I wasn’t criticising you Danny, more a general observation about the state of retailing and the way many stores have closed reducing availability of products to trial.
 
Funny/ tragic though. I really want to support our local Brick&Mortar shops. Two weeks ago I ordered a stepring and some stuff + made an inquirery on some prices at my local shop. two Days after I ordered a trigger, grip and eyecup on amazon, arived within three days. Last monday i ordered a lee filter adapter at a webshop here in DK which arived the next day. I still havn't heard anything from our local shop.
 
Eloise said:
Just in case ... I wasn’t criticising you Danny, more a general observation about the state of retailing and the way many stores have closed reducing availability of products to trial.
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I realise no criticism was intended and none was taken. :)

As someone who, many years ago, worked in retail (Hi-Fi and AV equipment) I am ardent supporter of independent and specialist retailers. But the world has changed with the interweb making it difficult for specialists to survive.

Mind you some specialists don't help themselves with rip-off pricing and poor customer service - but that's another topic!
 
Uncle Fester said:
.... - but that's another topic!
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Given where the thread started (there's a clue in the title) I'd have though that all this detailed discussion about Peak Design straps and such like was also "another topic". But sadly that's often the way.
 
StewartR said:
Given where the thread started (there's a clue in the title) I'd have though that all this detailed discussion about Peak Design straps and such like was also "another topic". But sadly that's often the way.
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I'm happy to apologise for my part in taking the thread off topic.

But, once the thread has gone o/t, does one respond to the new direction the thread has taken or do you start another thread thus duplicating the discussion?

That's a genuine question and I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts - but perhaps in another thread...

Maybe the mods could split the camera strap discussion into separate thread?

Apologies again.
 
Uncle Fester said:
I'm happy to apologise for my part in taking the thread off topic.
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It wasn't meant as a personal dig. No apology required.
Uncle Fester said:
But, once the thread has gone o/t, does one respond to the new direction the thread has taken or do you start another thread thus duplicating the discussion?

That's a genuine question and I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts - but perhaps in another thread...
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It would be interesting. Feel free to kick it off. I'll contribute.
Uncle Fester said:
Maybe the mods could split the camera strap discussion into separate thread?
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They could, but they won't unless someone specifically contacts them (e.g. by reporting the thread) and asks them to, and to be honest I think it's not worth it.
 
Uncle Fester said:
I'm happy to apologise for my part in taking the thread off topic.

But, once the thread has gone o/t, does one respond to the new direction the thread has taken or do you start another thread thus duplicating the discussion?

That's a genuine question and I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts - but perhaps in another thread...

Maybe the mods could split the camera strap discussion into separate thread?

Apologies again.
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No worries. That's what happens when a thread runs it's natural course. No need to apologise :)

But another thread "Show us your camera strap" would be very popular and useful!
 
HoppyUK said:
No worries. That's what happens when a thread runs it's natural course. No need to apologise :)

But another thread "Show us your camera strap" would be very popular and useful!
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We could all start randomly speculating what a Nikon (or Canon) mirrorless will be like, what function any lens adaptor might allow, etc...
 
Eloise said:
We could all start randomly speculating what a Nikon (or Canon) mirrorless will be like, what function any lens adaptor might allow, etc...
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And how much better it’s going to be than the Sony mirrorless offerings !!!!!!
 
Wow good specs but I think I will wait for midrange models if they made them
 
Man, they have the chance to entice the lower to mid range consumers over, and they come out with 3-4K prices?

Pass. I'm sure they'll be great but really?
 
That design looks awful. That isn’t going to attract pros that would be holding the camera for any period of time.

Imagine that with a 70-200 2.8 on all day.m? Or a 400mm f4? No thanks!
 
Cagey75 said:
Man, they have the chance to entice the lower to mid range consumers over, and they come out with 3-4K prices?

Pass. I'm sure they'll be great but really?
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They will come out with a lower/mid range but that is not what the article is talking about

Tom Green said:
That design looks awful. That isn’t going to attract pros that would be holding the camera for any period of time.

Imagine that with a 70-200 2.8 on all day.m? Or a 400mm f4? No thanks!
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You do know they are not pictures of the camera right? they are a reader concept who has pretty much just copied a Fuji.
 
Jase said:
They will come out with a lower/mid range but that is not what the article is talking about



You do know they are not pictures of the camera right? they are a reader concept who has pretty much just copied a Fuji.
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I was just about to post, that I actually like the look of the body, reminds me a lot of my X-E1 & X-E2. Now I know why :D
 
Jase said:
You do know they are not pictures of the camera right? they are a reader concept who has pretty much just copied a Fuji.
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That is so fortunate. Nikon don’t want to deliver an epic fail.

What disappoints me is these specs have been around for some time with the Sony’s. Nothing to see here, move on.
 
Brazo said:
That is so fortunate. Nikon don’t want to deliver an epic fail.

What disappoints me is these specs have been around for some time with the Sony’s. Nothing to see here, move on.
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The big spec requirement isn’t about the camera playing the numbers game, though the EVF could certainly be an improvement over the Sony. The big spec is in getting a F mount adapter which works with all (the majority) of lenses and works close to native. This has never been done on a Sony!
 
Eloise said:
The big spec requirement isn’t about the camera playing the numbers game, though the EVF could certainly be an improvement over the Sony. The big spec is in getting a F mount adapter which works with all (the majority) of lenses and works close to native. This has never been done on a Sony!
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Thats because Sony has Metabones and Sigma MC11 that works well with the majority of Canons/Sigma lenses. Dont really need to work with Nikons lenses as Canon has all the equivalents and more and Sonys native line up is growing quickly.
 
twist said:
Thats because Sony has Metabones and Sigma MC11 that works well with the majority of Canons/Sigma lenses. Dont really need to work with Nikons lenses as Canon has all the equivalents and more and Sonys native line up is growing quickly.
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Think you are missing the point, the point being that if a Nikon user who has an investment in lenses etc wanted to swap to Mirrorless (like Sony) they do not have a viable option to keep their lenses. If Nikon has a decent mirrorless camera with the ability to use current lenses well then that is ideal for those wanting to change.
 
Eloise said:
The big spec requirement isn’t about the camera playing the numbers game, though the EVF could certainly be an improvement over the Sony. The big spec is in getting a F mount adapter which works with all (the majority) of lenses and works close to native. This has never been done on a Sony!
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Yes it has. Sony has the LAe4 and the LAe3 adaptors to work with A mount lenses. Obviously they wouldn’t produce an F mount adaptor any more than Nikon would produce an A mount adaptor.

Adapted lenses get cumbersome quickly and are not without their disadvantages. I’ve been there done that and quickly switched to native. Adaptors are simply a quick fix until Nikon can get out a decent lens range.
 
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Jase said:
Think you are missing the point, the point being that if a Nikon user who has an investment in lenses etc wanted to swap to Mirrorless (like Sony) they do not have a viable option to keep their lenses. If Nikon has a decent mirrorless camera with the ability to use current lenses well then that is ideal for those wanting to change.
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Not really, I switched from Nikon. Not the end of the world as there are other options.
 
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I think, if Nikon can bring out a mirrorless camera (or two :)), which at least matches Sony and has improved ergonomics I think they will be offering Sony some competition. I've tried the Sony mirrorless cameras and for me at least, I just couldn't deal with the ergonomics of the camera, especially the grip.
 
What everyone else says, mirrorless will have its advantages for me as a regular traveller, but please Nikon, don't make my thousands of pounds worth of lenses useless and please make the thing more comfortable to hold than Sony do. I'm not sure if it's just my spade hands, but a D800/810/850 feels heavenly in my hand, the A7 range feel pretty appalling, especially coupled with some heavy glass.

Fingers crossed Nikon do their job properly.
 
Eyon said:
What everyone else says, mirrorless will have its advantages for me as a regular traveller, but please Nikon, don't make my thousands of pounds worth of lenses useless and please make the thing more comfortable to hold than Sony do. I'm not sure if it's just my spade hands, but a D800/810/850 feels heavenly in my hand, the A7 range feel pretty appalling, especially coupled with some heavy glass.

Fingers crossed Nikon do their job properly.
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Agreed. For me, D750 body and grip, chop the flash off the top and put mirror less features in and it'd be perfect. An FF mirror less doesn’t need to be small.
 
A half decent body and very good adapter will mean I stick with Canon and sell my Sony gear. The savings in lenses would far outweigh a premium on the body. If I had Nikon gear it would be the same. Although adapting the wide variety of legacy Nikon glass may be more of a challenge.

I'm really interested to see what Canikon bring to the table. If these rumours hadn't surfaced I would likely have gone all in with Sony. As I also shoot Fuji I want to see we what the X-T3 brings, as if they get close to zero EVF blackout I might go with that as I've been appreciating the lighter smaller kit that mirrorless can give of late... To much quality gear available!
 
twist said:
Not really, I switched from Nikon. Not the end of the world as there are other options.
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It's expensive to change systems if you've got more than a few pro lenses. Second hand value for lenses don't really hold their value to any significant degree.
 
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welly said:
It's expensive to change systems if you've got more than a few pro lenses. Second hand value for lenses don't really hold their value to any significant degree.
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It does depend somewhat on what you're selling, you can't (for example) expect to make a good return if you're selling models that have newer versions or if you bought at the top end of the retail market.

Can be especially easy for an amateur if they've bought used at the right time but I'd worry more about what you move to rather than what you're moving from.
 
Genuinely hyped to see what Nikon produce in the mirrorless market. I've been so tempted to jump ship to Sony but if Nikon ship with an adapter for current Nikon lenses I would be more than tempted to stick with Nikon.

I do really like the features of the AF on Sony such as the Eye AF so hope that the Nikon version has some of these qualities also.
 
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jj_glos said:
Usually fine when moving between Canikon, but Sony are such a smaller segment of the market so of course the second hand situation is limited. Add to that their poor QC of lenses like the 35mm Zeiss and 70-200 and it's not an attractive proposition at all.
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And just to add a little balance, there are a few Canikon lenses with known issues which I wouldn't touch with your money :D There are dogs in everyones line up so the only question is if they happen to be lenses you'd otherwise be interested in.
 
Nostromo said:
Going a little off topic now and excuse my ignorance, but why do/would the camera if mirrorless have a different mount, compared to the mirrored version?
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It has to do with the distance between the rear element and the sensor. DSLR's have a mirror box and thus the sensors are set back much further into to the body. Mirrorless cameras don't have this mirror box and therefore the bodies can be made smaller and the sensor sits much closer to the rear element. In order for the DSLR lenses to work they would need to increase the distance between the sensor and rear element. This can be done with a converter so whilst they are doing that, they may as well change the mount and introduce smaller lighter lenses anyway.

This way, those with a collection of DSLR lenses can continue to use them and slowly switch as and when lenses are upgraded and those new to the system can start off with smaller, lighter lenses.
 
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ecoleman said:
It has to do with the distance between the rear element and the sensor. DSLR's have a mirror box and thus the sensors are set back much further into to the body. Mirrorless cameras don't have this mirror box and therefore the bodies can be made smaller and the sensor sits much closer to the rear element. In order for the DSLR lenses to work they would need to increase the distance between the sensor and rear element. This can be done with a converter so whilst they are doing that, they may as well change the mount and introduce smaller lighter lenses anyway.

This way, those with a collection of DSLR lenses can continue to use them and slowly switch as and when lenses are upgraded and those new to the system can start off with smaller, lighter lenses.
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True, but the notion that lenses for mirrorless cameras can be smaller and lighter than their equivalents for DSLRs only really applies for wide angle lenses. Looking at Sony full frame zooms for example, the 12-24mm f/4 is pretty small and light, but the 24-70mm f/2.8, 70-200mm f/2.8 and 100-400mm are all pretty much the same size and shape as Canon/Nikon lenses.
 
StewartR said:
True, but the notion that lenses for mirrorless cameras can be smaller and lighter than their equivalents for DSLRs only really applies for wide angle lenses. Looking at Sony full frame zooms for example, the 12-24mm f/4 is pretty small and light, but the 24-70mm f/2.8, 70-200mm f/2.8 and 100-400mm are all pretty much the same size and shape as Canon/Nikon lenses.
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It would be commercial suicide for Nikon to produce an adapter that allows their current lens line up to work flawlessly with a new mirrorless camera!

Nikon want to sell products not look after photographers that have invested a huge amount in glass.

They will hope that their camera is as good as the current offerings from Sony etc (it only needs to be as good not better) then their would be no reason for current Nikon users to 'jump ship' as the Nikon lenses won't work seamlessly on the Sony either.

Since the new mount lenses that Nikon will come out with will work better on the new camera platform those that have a big investment in current glass will sell them off to purchase the new glass and Nikon make more money.
 
Fraser Euan White said:
It would be commercial suicide for Nikon to produce an adapter that allows their current lens line up to work flawlessly with a new mirrorless camera!

Nikon want to sell products not look after photographers that have invested a huge amount in glass.

They will hope that their camera is as good as the current offerings from Sony etc (it only needs to be as good not better) then their would be no reason for current Nikon users to 'jump ship' as the Nikon lenses won't work seamlessly on the Sony either.

Since the new mount lenses that Nikon will come out with will work better on the new camera platform those that have a big investment in current glass will sell them off to purchase the new glass and Nikon make more money.
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Canon made an adaptor that allowed their old FD mount work on the EOS camera.

The EOS line didn't do a suicide...
 
Fraser Euan White said:
It would be commercial suicide for Nikon to produce an adapter that allows their current lens line up to work flawlessly with a new mirrorless camera!

Nikon want to sell products not look after photographers that have invested a huge amount in glass.

They will hope that their camera is as good as the current offerings from Sony etc (it only needs to be as good not better) then their would be no reason for current Nikon users to 'jump ship' as the Nikon lenses won't work seamlessly on the Sony either.

Since the new mount lenses that Nikon will come out with will work better on the new camera platform those that have a big investment in current glass will sell them off to purchase the new glass and Nikon make more money.
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I think it could possibly go the other way. If Nikon have 1000's or 1,000,000's of users invested heavily in their current lens line up and they are not compatible with the new mirrorless cameras, why would they switch.

The only thing that has prevented me from switching to mirrorless is the cost of selling up and replacing all my lenses, I'd loose a fortune. If Canon brought out a great mirrorless camera but didn't make it compatible with my current lenses, I wouldn't switch.
 
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