The virus. PPE. Part 1

pmac said:

They are saying it’s been strained to only affect Asian people, as even most of those infected outside China were Chinese.(foil hats)

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Terrywoodenpic said:

Why has the USA (trump) not banned the import of the Chinese Corona virus?
Or at least put a stringent tariff on it?
After all he has banned Huawei products and grounded all Chinese Drones in the USA.
When it comes to China, His paranoia knows no bounds, and seems to be equally infectious amongst republicans.
I expect him to declare it biological warfare very soon.

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pmac said:

The story’s we are getting from my wife’s family and Chinese social media (before it’s removed)are far different to what the new’s here is still saying.

They are convinced it was the US that started it as they supposedly had a meeting at a chemical/bio weapons facility in Wuhan with the US and Russia days before where they all fell out again.
And as the US wasn’t getting anywhere with the trade war this was a good way to crush china’s economy.
They are saying it’s been strained to only affect Asian people, as even most of those infected outside China were Chinese.(foil hats)

They are also reporting that the death rate is far higher as is the infection rate.

They have been running out of medical supplies and testing kits/ materials so that’s why no. Per day are always going up roughly the same.
There was also things saying that people were dying with the symptoms but if they hadn’t been tested before they died they didn’t count them in the death statistics and just marked it down as something else. This has reportedly been happening a lot too.

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Raymond Lin said:

Because of the close proximity of people, the Japanese have lots of habits that could potentially limit the transmission of disease.

For example, they are not a society that likes contact, they bow instead of shake hands. Even couples out in public don't hold hands.
When you pay, there is a tray to place your money down and they will put the change back down for you to pick it up,
You can order sushi on these conveyor belt trains "trains", vending machines everywhere. A lot of things are automated.
They use Sooooooooo much plastic in packaging, everything is sealed.
Every big building have alcohol dispensers at the entrance..
There is also the culture of mask wearing when you feel ill so not to spread germs.
They moved the fish market to a new building last year because the old market had people and raw fish side by side. The new building you can't go to as a visitor, it is much cleaner.
There is also a habit that they think blowing your nose in public is bad manners, people will suck it back and swallow it.

The streets in general are so clean you can practically eat off of it. People don't litter, don't spit and don't walk and eat so there are no crumbs around, meaning less chance of rodents.

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JohnC6 said:

Stone me... Amazing. Seems you've lived there for a time.I didn't like the bit about nose-blowing..sound very unhealthy.

I've seen wildlife programmes on TV and they have some amazing islands and of course the famous Bullet train. I'd love to go on that. I wish we had a no-litter culture. I'm one of these people who you may see from time to time with a bag collecting it in our neighbourhood.

I lived in Germany for 3 years and they don't greet with a hug as we do (well most people) but a hand shake which I prefer .That compares to what you say about bowing but I appreciate their reason is so they don't have contact.

My wife and I love to go to Cribbs Causeway (a huge shopping mall outside Bristol) to the sushi bar. This might sound a bit naff but we like Wagamama too. We went to the one in Birmingham near the Symphony Hall several weeks ago. We have one here in Gloucester too. I even got her the Wagamama 'Feed your soul" book for christmas .

https://www.amazon.co.uk/wagamama-Feed-Your-Soul-recipes-ebook/dp/B07RTYLBMH

She's quite familiar with Japanese cuisine and recommends dishes to me to me. On a trip to Cardiff a few months ago I had seared tuna/salad (some kind of salad) and rice. It's in the book too.

I was so intrigued by what you've written that I did a Google re their etiquette. A real eye-opener. http://www.ediplomat.com/np/cultural_etiquette/ce_jp.htm

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woof woof said:

I'd take the stairs and I don't care how many floors.

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Raymond Lin said:

1 - Deny deny deny
2 - Silence any critic and arrest them

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woof woof said:

My God.

Mrs WW's best friend is Chinese. She went back for a holiday and kept in daily touch and then all contact stopped. She's not answering messages and no one has heard from her.

Worrying times really.

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Raymond Lin said:

I've not lived there but visited twice. I have a little obsession about Japan so I try to learn as much as I can.

If you want something interesting to read....There is something call Elevator Captain. In short, don't get in first and don't stand near the panel!

https://kimi.wiki/work/elevator-manners

p.s. going to Japan has ruined Wagamama for me, I can actually make better ramen than they can. I remember the first time I returned from Japan I wanted ramen so I went to Wagamama and it was bland, tasteless with all the wrong toppings that makes a good bowl of ramen, none of the toppings compliment each other and the egg was bad.

This street has some Izakaya (pubs), and look on the floor, not a single piece of gum.

A cleaner with a handheld vacuum?

You ever seen this many people sweeping in the morning?

These were taken 2 years ago, so that's their normal.

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wyx087 said:

I was reading Timeline of the virus on Wikipedia,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019–20_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak#30–31_December_2019
They've actually arrested the first Doctor who posted warnings about the virus. Then next day, closed the market and said it was for renovations.

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pmac said:

I think they have been trying to restrict information as much as possible. my wife family are in Shanghai so suspect its maybe more lax in this regard, the closer to wuhan I expect its more closely restricted.



I know the feeling regarding the food, I used to think Chinese food here was great, now I realise its got little to nothing in common with real Chinese food, and is nowhere near as good. one of my favourite places in Shanghai is actually a Japanese ramen shop. I will admit we do go to Wagamama quite often, not due to quality but as they are very good with allergy's which my daughter has a lot off.(there ramen is like dish water)



I see they have been trying to turn this information around today on the abc, saying that it was the local government that did it and they will be reprimanded for doing it... they actually arrested 8 people and charged them with a new law regarding spreading rumours against the party and state.. a very worrying law.

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Raymond Lin said:

You got to admit, that is kinda cool in a very geeky way.

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arclight said:

Anything short of full compliance will be treated as a major crime.

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Raymond Lin said:

I've not lived there but visited twice. I have a little obsession about Japan so I try to learn as much as I can.

If you want something interesting to read....There is something call Elevator Captain. In short, don't get in first and don't stand near the panel!

https://kimi.wiki/work/elevator-manners

p.s. going to Japan has ruined Wagamama for me, I can actually make better ramen than they can. I remember the first time I returned from Japan I wanted ramen so I went to Wagamama and it was bland, tasteless with all the wrong toppings that makes a good bowl of ramen, none of the toppings compliment each other and the egg was bad.

This street has some Izakaya (pubs), and look on the floor, not a single piece of gum.

A cleaner with a handheld vacuum?

You ever seen this many people sweeping in the morning?

These were taken 2 years ago, so that's their normal.

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JohnC6 said:

I'd probably like it there as I felt very comfortable with the rules/regs and cleanliness in Germany. Having said that the Japanese appear to have taken it to new level.Lol.

Re the elevator. I was expecting a game when I clicked on the url but I see that it's an etiquette regime. I think a foreigner would have to go on a course to get to grips with it or do as Alan (woof-woof) would do....use the stairs

I've just told my wife about the food at Wagamama. I also Goggled ramen. It originally came from China. Infact my wife makes a great soup that sounds very much like it. She calls it Chicken Noodle soup.Her own concoction. I don't eat meat (injectioin of antibiotics and growth hormones and a bit re welfare issues too ) so I just have the liquid.

How to make it: Chicken stock/chicken bits. Chopped red pepper..tinned corn (Green Giant 198gm tin with water drained) chopped spring onions and half a teaspoon of Lazy Chilli..(that's in a jar) plus the egg noodles. So easy to do..Bring stock to boil-add ingredients and cook/simmer for about 10 minutes. I'm addicted to it.Lol.

pmac..Peter says the same about chinese food ..ie far better than we get and in India..as far as I understand..it's the same. They don't have Chicken Tikka Masala atall. I've just Googled that and it was created in the UK by SE Asian chefs.

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JohnC6 said:

I'd probably like it there as I felt very comfortable with the rules/regs and cleanliness in Germany. Having said that the Japanese appear to have taken it to new level.Lol.

Re the elevator. I was expecting a game when I clicked on the url but I see that it's an etiquette regime. I think a foreigner would have to go on a course to get to grips with it or do as Alan (woof-woof) would do....use the stairs

I've just told my wife about the food at Wagamama. I also Goggled ramen. It originally came from China. Infact my wife makes a great soup that sounds very much like it. She calls it Chicken Noodle soup.Her own concoction. I don't eat meat (injectioin of antibiotics and growth hormones and a bit re welfare issues too ) so I just have the liquid.

How to make it: Chicken stock/chicken bits. Chopped red pepper..tinned corn (Green Giant 198gm tin with water drained) chopped spring onions and half a teaspoon of Lazy Chilli..(that's in a jar) plus the egg noodles. So easy to do..Bring stock to boil-add ingredients and cook/simmer for about 10 minutes. I'm addicted to it.Lol.

pmac..Peter says the same about chinese food ..ie far better than we get and in India..as far as I understand..it's the same. They don't have Chicken Tikka Masala atall. I've just Googled that and it was created in the UK by SE Asian chefs.

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Raymond Lin said:

Japan has VERY strict rules on lifestock. You will not find any cattle ranch or chicken farm near human habitations. They are all located away from cities and towns. All cows are registered, they are auctioned off with certificates and stamps. You can trace each piece of steak to the cow and its mother and his mother etc.

Chickens are bred and kept in a way that people routinely eat eggs raw. It is often used as a dip for meat. It is to a point of safety that they eat raw chicken (first blanched so the outside is cooked).

Japan has rules, traditions, habits and manners. Everything have a reason and a place. If you like rules and order you will love it there. Like Germany, people don’t jay walk. Queues are the way of life. Being considerate is a part of their culture.

p.s. ramen, there are a lot of style, most will have an animal or fish base. It’s originated from China though, I think all noodles style food originates from China (like Spaghetti was). But Japanese has a way in presentation of their food that at first glance you don’t notice but if you go there and come home you will realise their food presentation on every price level in every dish is simply on a different planet. I know of no other country where they “place” their dishes into a plate/bowl with such care.

Wagamama tries but they have a lot to learn.

Japan (keeps it simple)

I came across this trash bin for the containers from a shop, the left has instructions to ask you to put the sticks in the left and you should stack them on the right. People actually do it. So as to maximise the space in the bin.

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Retune said:

It's probably correct - multiple news sources are saying Brighton (but infected abroad), patient transferred to London:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/06/third-person-in-uk-confirmed-as-having-coronavirus

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Retune said:

View: https://BANNED/globaltimesnews/status/1225428566931718144

Earlier story explaining the background:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/03/asia/coronavirus-doctor-whistle-blower-intl-hnk/index.html

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Dave70D said:

I read about the doctor when he said that, and they told and made him sign something about it now they say he is a hero. Just goes to show how much China will lie and deny about it all.

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Raymond Lin said:

I can see that this virus will be here to stay, just like the H1N1 virus is from 2009. It will become part of the regular flu season virus. H1N1 (Swine Flu) has a 11% mortality rate, much much higher than this Corona Virus.

Honestly, they are trying to get rid of this but I can't see it happening. For every positive tested patient, there will be like half a dozen people he would have had contact with before he was hospitalised.

Imagine that student coming back from China, getting on the plane. The next person who gets on that plane in his seat would catch that if he didn't wipe down all the surfaces. Planes do not get disinfectant between flights so the next guy who sits down will have a high risk getting it. It will be as long as 2 weeks until he is sick.

That guy might do a lot of travel for work, inside 2 weeks he could have visited 4 continents and 10 cities.

Not to mention if the next few people who catches it have a strong immune system so the worst they got is your regular flu feeling then they won't call a doctor and just ride it out. You will never catch those.

The cat is already out of the bag and this virus is here to stay unless they develop a vaccine and then give that to everybody on the planet.

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pmac said:

The story’s we are getting from my wife’s family and Chinese social media (before it’s removed)are far different to what the new’s here is still saying.

They are convinced it was the US that started it as they supposedly had a meeting at a chemical/bio weapons facility in Wuhan with the US and Russia days before where they all fell out again.
And as the US wasn’t getting anywhere with the trade war this was a good way to crush china’s economy.
They are saying it’s been strained to only affect Asian people, as even most of those infected outside China were Chinese.(foil hats)

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LongLensPhotography said:

As bad as ebola is, it only spreads when the symptoms show and victims can be all isolated. Not so with this beast which makes it so specially nasty. So it is actually very communicable, and has plenty of room for mutations making it more deadly. It is actually a nasty bioweapon. The chinese are losing trillions now.
I bet they released it themselves by accident or whatever. Of course they will NEVER admit, and of course for domestic news they will try to blame their enemy no1, currently the US.

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Raymond Lin said:

Since this is a new virus and is humans have no immunity to it, the mortality rate will always be higher, once it does a round and over the coming years we encounter it, it will become akin to regular flu, probably.

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Retune said:

Global Times have deleted the tweet about Dr. Li Wenliang I posted above, and are now claiming he is alive but critical.

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Retune said:

That may well be the case (and it also lacks the 'reassortment' mechanism that lets different flu viruses very easily swap genetic material when they infect the same host, so it may be a more stable target for our immune systems and vaccine developers).

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Retune said:

In fact, everything we know about the virus is perfectly consistent with its natural origin. It fits into the family tree of other viruses of bat origin and the differences are those you'd expect normal evolutionary processes to produce, not gene tinkering by evil scientists. The stories about it being engineered from bits of HIV (or whatever) are false. If you're curious about the evidence, see:

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LongLensPhotography said:

For you and me, the paper presented sequence alignment showing that there are several surface bits from HIV glycoprotein, which is the attachment and delivery system, but not the viral RNA itself. It should be trivial to do this yourself as long as you can download the sequences. This addition makes corona bind and infect human cells just effectively like HIV would, and something that bat natural version still can not.

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Retune said:

The supposed HIV inserts are entirely spurious, for reasons discussed in the second thread from Trevor Bedford linked above (where you can see the sequence alignments for yourself), and the authors have retracted their paper:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v2

Careless interpretation of sequence alignments, as in the 'Uncanny' paper, can give you all sorts of silly results if you don't think about what you're doing:

View: https://BANNED/ianholmes/status/1224562680821731328


It's certainly true that these viruses, if SARS is anything to go by, can do terrible to the lungs in some patients, from which even those who survive may sadly never fully recover. See the thread linked here:
View: https://BANNED/TheMenacheryLab/status/1225095900210638848

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