The virus. PPE. Part 1

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I am not trying to undermine the seriousness of the virus but some of the reporting is questionable. It stated 13 of today’s tragic large death total did not have underlying conditions and that group were between 63 and 99. Surely the majority of people in their 90’s are at risk from most viruses they might catch.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on what the vulnerable part of the population are going to do in the short and even long term? This would include the old, underlying conditions, asthma etc plus their spouses and children.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on what the vulnerable part of the population are going to do in the short and even long term? This would include the old, underlying conditions, asthma etc plus their spouses and children.
The potential of a 'long term' is a real worry as I fear many elderly will struggle badly. We are keeping in contact with as many elderly as we can to see how we can help.
 
Sainsbury’s seem to be using two descriptions “extremely vulnerable” who can phone the 0800 number as “most vulnerable” who are are on the gov database* that they are going to access and then notify people. It is somewhat confusing :( .
* and will have received the gov letter.
Edit to add: the gov letter doesn’t use either phrase as a “label” but, confusingly the website they tell you to contact is gov.ukcoronavirus-extremely-vulnerable if you need help & have no one to turn o :(.
 
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I am not trying to undermine the seriousness of the virus but some of the reporting is questionable. It stated 13 of today’s tragic large death total did not have underlying conditions and that group were between 63 and 99. Surely the majority of people in their 90’s are at risk from most viruses they might catch.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of those health conditions. Some underlying conditions may be very common. For example, high blood pressure, which I've seen listed as a 'high risk' condition, affects over a quarter of the population, and the majority of over 65s. Asthma, diabetes and severe obesity are in the same category
 
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of those health conditions. Some underlying conditions may be very common. For example, high blood pressure, which I've seen listed as a 'high risk' condition, affects over a quarter of the population, and the majority of over 65s. Asthma, diabetes and severe obesity are in the same category
Agreed. We the public are unlikely to see a breakdown. I don't have the link but some 'expert' stated he believed 2/3rds of all corona deaths were people who would have probably have died within the next six months even if they did not catch the virus. Having said that it still appears to be much more deadly than seasonal flu.
 
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of those health conditions. Some underlying conditions may be very common. For example, high blood pressure, which I've seen listed as a 'high risk' condition, affects over a quarter of the population, and the majority of over 65s. Asthma, diabetes and severe obesity are in the same category
HMGs list of “very high risk” (another label!) is quite short, I’ve shortened it a bit more:
1. Solid organ transplant recipients
2. People with specific cancers (lists 5 classes) ...
3. People with severe respiratory conditions ...
4. People with rare diseases and inborn errors of metabolism
5. People on immunosuppression therapy ...
6. People who are pregnant with significant heart disease ...
 
HMGs list of “very high risk” (another label!) is quite short, I’ve shortened it a bit more:
1. Solid organ transplant recipients
2. People with specific cancers (lists 5 classes) ...
3. People with severe respiratory conditions ...
4. People with rare diseases and inborn errors of metabolism
5. People on immunosuppression therapy ...
6. People who are pregnant with significant heart disease ...
What I'm wondering is how many of those who have died had the 'very high' risk conditions (those in your list), compared to the 'high' risk (but more common) conditions like hypertension. I guess an awful lot of older people could be classified as having one underlying condition or another in at least the 'high' risk group.
 
The potential of a 'long term' is a real worry as I fear many elderly will struggle badly. We are keeping in contact with as many elderly as we can to see how we can help.

Definitely, but I'm also at a loss as to what the children of those who are high risk should do when schools reopen? Until there's a vaccine or hospital treatment which can guarantee survival, then what do they all do?

I think there's something like over 5 million people with asthma, granted many will be mild but then there are three spouses, the children and then the same again for many of the other vulnerable categories. We could be taking about tens of millions still having to stay in isolation?
 
I was wondering if Liposomal Glutathione would be worth taking? I've only done a few minutes of reading about it but it seems to be fairly well regarded.

My understanding is that GSH most likely would contribute positively to your health. I am tempted to get some myself. But DO NOT take it if you have asthma:

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-717/glutathione

It is worth pointing out liposomal vitamin C has better absorption than free molecules and a slightly different effect (i.e. gets absorbed into the cells so would be better positioned to fight against this virus. A large enough regular dosing of regular C should get you there as well). Ideally one would take both types.
 
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Agreed. We the public are unlikely to see a breakdown. I don't have the link but some 'expert' stated he believed 2/3rds of all corona deaths were people who would have probably have died within the next six months even if they did not catch the virus. Having said that it still appears to be much more deadly than seasonal flu.

I have the impression that it is the infection rate that is alarming.

One person with influenza will infect, on average, just one other person. Therefore, after 10 person to person hops that leaves 10 people infected.

Each person with Covid 19 will infect, on average, 2.7 people. Therefore 1 becomes 2.7 then 2.7 becomes 7.3 then 7.3 becomes 19.7 etc. etc. After 10 person to person stages 20,500 are infected. That is nightmarish.
The PM did say that if this virus was not brought under control there is no health service in the world that can stop it.
 
My understanding is that GSH most likely would contribute positively to your health. I am tempted to get some myself. But DO NOT take it if you have asthma:

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-717/glutathione

It is worth pointing out liposomal vitamin C has better absorption than free molecules and a slightly different effect (i.e. gets absorbed into the cells so would be better positioned to fight against this virus. A large enough regular dosing of regular C should get you there as well). Ideally one would take both types.

I'm assuming it's the type of Glutathione you inhale which you shouldn't take if you have asthma but the Liposomal Glutathione should be OK?
 
Associated Press report March 10th:

From the Catholick Herald: On March 19th at 9.00-pm Catholicks around the world were asked to pray the rosary (asking god for a special favour ) in this case ..quote..'For protection from the virus' God clearly isn't listening. It went out on a Catholick TV station and online.

The Pope is urging priests to 'be brave'..I say 'reckless' and make contact with corvid-19-hit victims with the caveat that they 'take precautions' This is to show solidarity with health workers who, I'd imagine, would rather they self-isolated. The sentiment might be noble but decidedly misplaced.

He wants people quote. "to pray for the priests to have the courage to go out and go to the sick people to bring the strength of God's word and the Eucharist and accompany the health workers and volunteers in the work they are doing" Brilliant. I'd imagine the last thing a patient (other than a believer) would want is a priest god-bothering them not to mention the health workers and volunteers themselves. The part of the ceremony (the wine/Chalice) has been banned recognising its potential to transmit the virus.It's probably a racing certainty rather than a potential risk. It's rather confusing that he should be saying this on March 10th because days earlier ,March 2nd The Catholick church,in the form of the Bishops Conference-England and Wales have told priest to withdrew the Chalice. Scotland has already banned Communion. Also suspended is the sprinkling 'holy water' over people. I'll resist..:rolleyes: At least the Church of England has suspended services altogether. I think there's now a ban in the UK on church services generally

So, whilst others are taking precautions not so the Greek Orthodox church which will will continue with 'as you were'. Greece was low on victim numbers and no deaths, fast forward to now and it's 966 cases and 28 deaths [Worldometer] Hopefully, worshippers will see sense, clearly absent from the priests, and call time on the practice. This is what the ruling body (The Holy Synod)of this church has said. "For the members of the Church attending the Holy Eucharist certainly cannot be a cause of transmission". It's a stupid practice in normal times re health issues, anyway. So, they wipe the chalice..with the same small cloth obviously not aware of the many books written on the subject by Florence Nightingale from 1854 (Crimea War hospital observations). Rev Fr Muksuris wrote on the Orthodox Research Institutes website ..March 2nd..so, very recently. Paraphrased.. "The red wine used is typically high in alcohol which means that the chances of bacteria or germs surviving is minimal...in any event the the invisible microbes that are transmitted from the previous recipient are harmless". He goes on to say that priests drink from the chalice too and there's never been any health issues.Better not to speak too soon. I haven't read anything since that shows that this situation has changed. As ever,I stand to be corrected but putting that aside it's what was being said that left me bewildered .

Here's one (of many ) reasons why I despair of religion. I'm not sure who I despair of most. Religious leaders or their folllowers.Here's a good example in what the Rev Muksuri went on to say.." If we truly believe in God, we know quite well that God would never allow harm to come to us,most especially in the reception of Holy Communion" So, he has to ask himself what's gone wrong. Infact, across the world at least 50 priests died of the virus. I heard the back end of something a UK clergyman was saying on the radio yesterday re the virus.

" Lord,what are you trying to tell us ?" :banghead:

I was left even more bewildered when I watched the news at 6.00pm and the reporter was in Moscow. The churches are full. The reporter asked one of the worshippers if she wasn't afraid of catching the virus. "No," she said.. "You won't catch the virus in the house of god" It would be funny had it not been the case that she's a doctor.

More from the Russian Orthodox church hierarchy. (According to the RIA Novosty news agency March 25th)) The Head of the church, Patriarch Kirill said "Here is an opportunity not to think about God's wrath (re the virus)but rather about God's blessing" And what blessing would that be" . And what what silver lining has this Covid-19 got to offer ? He goes on."God is calling on our self-confident technological civilisation to understand its fragility" I'd have thought that a benign god would have a more acceptable way of letting mankind know this. A priest called Anfrei Tkachev conducted his service wearing a gas mask. .The congregation laughed at him and he took it off saying that they were right to laugh at the 'develish thing' and to switch off the tv and that would stop the virus.Sadly, he has 400,000 Youtube followers.He has also claimed that the virus was developed in some military laboratory. At least he was criticised for the gas mask stunt by one of contemporaries.

There are the purported relics of John the Baptist in St Petersburg and over a week some 70,000 people kissed them. The relics arrived there from Jerusalem for an exhibition on March 10th-17th. in a cathedral in which services were held for visitors. Russia now has a ban on gatherings of more than 5 but churches in Serbia ignore this. One Bishop in Georgia said that the government should pursue quarantine breakers not people "who wanted to be with god" .In Ukraine the police were asked to stop a service and they said they saw no crime (ie over 5 people) as the "Church is a different matter"

Remember the South Korean Shincheonji Church of Jesus..a fringe Christian group ? It has a membership of 230,000. The leader is Lee Man-hee and claims to be the Messiah. Now where have I heard that one before ? The authorities said that the members infected one another before fanning out over the country. One of the first was a 61 year old female who tested positive (initially refusing to take a hospital test) but not before she'd visited several church gatherings. At that time..March 2nd there were 3,730 cases of Covid-19 and 21 deaths and over half were members. Prosecutions of the leadership are being pursued. The leadership have apologised.

So, it's not just individuals, worldwide, that, for whatever reason, in most instances just a lack of appreciation of the seriousness of lockdowns, that are ignoring the measures worldwide but religious organisations that put their own interersts above that of the greater good. They always have sought to give themselves privilege and status.
 
My understanding is that GSH most likely would contribute positively to your health. I am tempted to get some myself. But DO NOT take it if you have asthma:

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-717/glutathione

It is worth pointing out liposomal vitamin C has better absorption than free molecules and a slightly different effect (i.e. gets absorbed into the cells so would be better positioned to fight against this virus. A large enough regular dosing of regular C should get you there as well). Ideally one would take both types.
The best thing you can do is eat healthily and try to get some exercise. For people without vitamin deficiencies, there's no evidence that any of these supplements help to fight the virus (or other viruses).
 
" Lord,what are you trying to tell us ?"

They should have read Leviticus on self-isolation: 'All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be.'
 
I'm assuming it's the type of Glutathione you inhale which you shouldn't take if you have asthma but the Liposomal Glutathione should be OK?

Don't quote me on that. I wouldn't want to suggest anything non-safe if you have the condition. It might be that it is better to eat Cys and other amino acid rich diet and let the body take care of it. Vit C supplements are more important to get as your body can't make any at all.

The best thing you can do is eat healthily and try to get some exercise. For people without vitamin deficiencies, there's no evidence that any of these supplements help to fight the virus (or other viruses).

I obviously agree that the main source of vitamins should come from nutrition, but unfortunately it is normally not the case with modern diets and particularly at this time of year before we even factor in the threat. Therefore, please do not tell people not to eat perfectly safe supplements or foods like garlic or lemons. We don't need NICE approval against COVID to consume vitamins FFS. This just sends an absolutely toxic message.

It is a bit off topic but surely you are aware that right now most people are Vit-D deficient due to lack of sun exposure (mine was 25% normal level a few years ago and I got told to eat buckets of supplements by local GP. He also mentioned nearly everyone is the same). Telling people not to supplement is dangerous.
 
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I'm very impressed with how many people on the internet, even on this forum, are biochemists with special knowledge of vitamin supplements. The internet is such a marvellous resource...

:tumbleweed:
 
By the way there is plenty of evidence reported in the literature. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28353648 this examples even quotes prevention of pneumonia. That's precisely what we need. Also low cost and totally safe even in high doses.

P.S. Take a shed load of it and you have a very mild laxative - no need of more harmful meds.
 
I'm very impressed with how many people on the internet, even on this forum, are molecular chemists with special knowledge of vitamin supplements. The internet is such a marvellous resource...

:tumbleweed:

I have a PhD in that thing.
 
They should have read Leviticus on self-isolation: 'All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be.'

I prefer Isaiah 26 v20
"Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. "

;)
 
Associated Press report March 10th:

From the Catholick Herald: On March 19th at 9.00-pm Catholicks around the world were asked to pray the rosary (asking god for a special favour ) in this case ..quote..'For protection from the virus' God clearly isn't listening. It went out on a Catholick TV station and online.

The Pope is urging priests to 'be brave'..I say 'reckless' and make contact with corvid-19-hit victims with the caveat that they 'take precautions' This is to show solidarity with health workers who, I'd imagine, would rather they self-isolated. The sentiment might be noble but decidedly misplaced.

He wants people quote. "to pray for the priests to have the courage to go out and go to the sick people to bring the strength of God's word and the Eucharist and accompany the health workers and volunteers in the work they are doing" Brilliant. I'd imagine the last thing a patient (other than a believer) would want is a priest god-bothering them not to mention the health workers and volunteers themselves. The part of the ceremony (the wine/Chalice) has been banned recognising its potential to transmit the virus.It's probably a racing certainty rather than a potential risk. It's rather confusing that he should be saying this on March 10th because days earlier ,March 2nd The Catholick church,in the form of the Bishops Conference-England and Wales have told priest to withdrew the Chalice. Scotland has already banned Communion. Also suspended is the sprinkling 'holy water' over people. I'll resist..:rolleyes: At least the Church of England has suspended services altogether. I think there's now a ban in the UK on church services generally

So, whilst others are taking precautions not so the Greek Orthodox church which will will continue with 'as you were'. Greece was low on victim numbers and no deaths, fast forward to now and it's 966 cases and 28 deaths [Worldometer] Hopefully, worshippers will see sense, clearly absent from the priests, and call time on the practice. This is what the ruling body (The Holy Synod)of this church has said. "For the members of the Church attending the Holy Eucharist certainly cannot be a cause of transmission". It's a stupid practice in normal times re health issues, anyway. So, they wipe the chalice..with the same small cloth obviously not aware of the many books written on the subject by Florence Nightingale from 1854 (Crimea War hospital observations). Rev Fr Muksuris wrote on the Orthodox Research Institutes website ..March 2nd..so, very recently. Paraphrased.. "The red wine used is typically high in alcohol which means that the chances of bacteria or germs surviving is minimal...in any event the the invisible microbes that are transmitted from the previous recipient are harmless". He goes on to say that priests drink from the chalice too and there's never been any health issues.Better not to speak too soon. I haven't read anything since that shows that this situation has changed. As ever,I stand to be corrected but putting that aside it's what was being said that left me bewildered .

Here's one (of many ) reasons why I despair of religion. I'm not sure who I despair of most. Religious leaders or their folllowers.Here's a good example in what the Rev Muksuri went on to say.." If we truly believe in God, we know quite well that God would never allow harm to come to us,most especially in the reception of Holy Communion" So, he has to ask himself what's gone wrong. Infact, across the world at least 50 priests died of the virus. I heard the back end of something a UK clergyman was saying on the radio yesterday re the virus.

" Lord,what are you trying to tell us ?" :banghead:

I was left even more bewildered when I watched the news at 6.00pm and the reporter was in Moscow. The churches are full. The reporter asked one of the worshippers if she wasn't afraid of catching the virus. "No," she said.. "You won't catch the virus in the house of god" It would be funny had it not been the case that she's a doctor.

More from the Russian Orthodox church hierarchy. (According to the RIA Novosty news agency March 25th)) The Head of the church, Patriarch Kirill said "Here is an opportunity not to think about God's wrath (re the virus)but rather about God's blessing" And what blessing would that be" . And what what silver lining has this Covid-19 got to offer ? He goes on."God is calling on our self-confident technological civilisation to understand its fragility" I'd have thought that a benign god would have a more acceptable way of letting mankind know this. A priest called Anfrei Tkachev conducted his service wearing a gas mask. .The congregation laughed at him and he took it off saying that they were right to laugh at the 'develish thing' and to switch off the tv and that would stop the virus.Sadly, he has 400,000 Youtube followers.He has also claimed that the virus was developed in some military laboratory. At least he was criticised for the gas mask stunt by one of contemporaries.

There are the purported relics of John the Baptist in St Petersburg and over a week some 70,000 people kissed them. The relics arrived there from Jerusalem for an exhibition on March 10th-17th. in a cathedral in which services were held for visitors. Russia now has a ban on gatherings of more than 5 but churches in Serbia ignore this. One Bishop in Georgia said that the government should pursue quarantine breakers not people "who wanted to be with god" .In Ukraine the police were asked to stop a service and they said they saw no crime (ie over 5 people) as the "Church is a different matter"

Remember the South Korean Shincheonji Church of Jesus..a fringe Christian group ? It has a membership of 230,000. The leader is Lee Man-hee and claims to be the Messiah. Now where have I heard that one before ? The authorities said that the members infected one another before fanning out over the country. One of the first was a 61 year old female who tested positive (initially refusing to take a hospital test) but not before she'd visited several church gatherings. At that time..March 2nd there were 3,730 cases of Covid-19 and 21 deaths and over half were members. Prosecutions of the leadership are being pursued. The leadership have apologised.

So, it's not just individuals, worldwide, that, for whatever reason, in most instances just a lack of appreciation of the seriousness of lockdowns, that are ignoring the measures worldwide but religious organisations that put their own interersts above that of the greater good. They always have sought to give themselves privilege and status.

There is just so much BS and hatred and misinfo I want to throw up. That's pretty much why we have corvid unleashed. There you go I've just said it. And the more it goes on the worse it will get next time, and there will be next time.
One good point you figured out was a very careless decision by the Pope to send unprotected priests to catch virus and die. That's stupid and reckless, I only hope it wasn't intentional. The need to consider using hazmat suits in that case. However their services are absolutely vital and necessary. Denying a dying person sacraments is an absolutely horrible thing to do. I just needs to be organised safely for everyone.
 
Don't quote me on that. I wouldn't want to suggest anything non-safe if you have the condition. It might be that it is better to eat Cys and other amino acid rich diet and let the body take care of it. Vit C supplements are more important to get as your body can't make any at all.



I obviously agree that the main source of vitamins should come from nutrition, but unfortunately it is normally not the case with modern diets and particularly at this time of year before we even factor in the threat. Therefore, please do not tell people not to eat perfectly safe supplements or foods like garlic or lemons. We don't need NICE approval against COVID to consume vitamins FFS. This just sends an absolutely toxic message.

It is a bit off topic but surely you are aware that right now most people are Vit-D deficient due to lack of sun exposure (mine was 25% normal level a few years ago and I got told to eat buckets of supplements by local GP. He also mentioned nearly everyone is the same). Telling people not to supplement is dangerous.

I've not got asthma but my wife does, quite bad. We both take an A-Z each morning (this Sainsburys one) and I also take CoQ10 and Ginkgo Biloba. My diet isn't the best these days, not bad but not great either. I have to admit, I'm rarely ill and when I do feel a cold coming on or another family member has one I use that Vicks First Defence and it almost always seems to halt it early - it's happened far too many times to be coincidence! Makes me sneeze like crazy for a few seconds. I think it traps it and then you sneeze it out - or something like that....
 
There is just so much BS and hatred and misinfo I want to throw up. That's pretty much why we have corvid unleashed. There you go I've just said it. And the more it goes on the worse it will get next time, and there will be next time.
One good point you figured out was a very careless decision by the Pope to send unprotected priests to catch virus and die. That's stupid and reckless, I only hope it wasn't intentional. The need to consider using hazmat suits in that case. However their services are absolutely vital and necessary. Denying a dying person sacraments is an absolutely horrible thing to do. I just needs to be organised safely for everyone.

Perhaps it was to get rid of the ones who were brought back and "protected"..... :whistle:
 
HMGs list of “very high risk” (another label!) is quite short, I’ve shortened it a bit more:
1. Solid organ transplant recipients
2. People with specific cancers (lists 5 classes) ...
3. People with severe respiratory conditions ...
4. People with rare diseases and inborn errors of metabolism
5. People on immunosuppression therapy ...
6. People who are pregnant with significant heart disease ...

What I'm wondering is how many of those who have died had the 'very high' risk conditions (those in your list), compared to the 'high' risk (but more common) conditions like hypertension. I guess an awful lot of older people could be classified as having one underlying condition or another in at least the 'high' risk group.

And then you have the other sub group ie both of the above but those working under then in the NHS. In simple terms take the example of being pregnant as we can all imagine someone like that, probably someone we know?
So, thinking of the NHS and nurses (the single largest employee group) and then follow that to the point that the majority of the 320,000 nurses / midwives are female, and by the majority i mean literally 90%.
So again, how many of the (roughly 280000) are pregnant? Not even thinking of the student nurses, hell, not even the physios, radiographers, OTs, HCA's, ODP's etc.

So, government advice? Pregnant? Isolate for 12 weeks.
Advice if you work in the NHS? Carry on until 28 weeks pregnant and then depending what trust you work for.....well either go home and start maternity early like it or not, or redeploy to a less risky role :-/
 
I obviously agree that the main source of vitamins should come from nutrition, but unfortunately it is normally not the case with modern diets and particularly at this time of year before we even factor in the threat. Therefore, please do not tell people not to eat perfectly safe supplements or foods like garlic or lemons. We don't need NICE approval against COVID to consume vitamins FFS. This just sends an absolutely toxic message.

It is a bit off topic but surely you are aware that right now most people are Vit-D deficient due to lack of sun exposure (mine was 25% normal level a few years ago and I got told to eat buckets of supplements by local GP. He also mentioned nearly everyone is the same). Telling people not to supplement is dangerous.

I wouldn't call garlic or lemon supplements, I'd call them food! Did someone suggest they were harmful? Clearly, anyone with a real deficiency can benefit from appropriate supplements. And maybe if the fresh fruit supply chain breaks down in the current situation we'll all get scurvy...
 
We're just about managing to keep politics out of this. Can we please, please, keep religion well out of it.
Please.
There are religions and there are religious organisations, not quite the same thing. It does seem that many religious organisations are promoting the spread of the virus in countries from US, Russia, Iran, S Korea and others :(. Not U.K. AFAIK :).
 
The governor of New York has an interesting view about Trump's suggestion(since rescinded) about quarantining New York

A couple of the governor's comments -


"Then we would be Wuhan, China, and that wouldn't make any sense," - ie China that had 3 new deaths on the same day that the USA had an additional 525

" from a medical point of view, I don't know what you would be accomplishing. " - how about it might reduce the spread on the virus.


Dave
 
The governor of New York has an interesting view about Trump's suggestion(since rescinded) about quarantining New York

A couple of the governor's comments -


"Then we would be Wuhan, China, and that wouldn't make any sense," - ie China that had 3 new deaths on the same day that the USA had an additional 525

" from a medical point of view, I don't know what you would be accomplishing. " - how about it might reduce the spread on the virus.


Dave

The USA as a whole is ,I fancy, in deep trouble.
 
The Mail on Sunday are blaming the EU for infecting Boris (specifically Barnier). Rather than the fact he was boasting about shaking hands with Corona virus patients...
 
The governor of New York has an interesting view about Trump's suggestion(since rescinded) about quarantining New York

A couple of the governor's comments -


"Then we would be Wuhan, China, and that wouldn't make any sense," - ie China that had 3 new deaths on the same day that the USA had an additional 525

" from a medical point of view, I don't know what you would be accomplishing. " - how about it might reduce the spread on the virus.


Dave
Except that he didn’t define what “quarantining” meant (no surprise) and it’s too late for that (the virus is all over the US*), and I‘m not sure they have the organisation and equipment to do it.

* Trump would say there are only a few cases in certain States because he still doesn’t understand exponential spread.
 
The Mail on Sunday are blaming the EU for infecting Boris (specifically Barnier). Rather than the fact he was boasting about shaking hands with Corona virus patients...

No one knows how he became infected therefore it is fatuous to infer any particular cause.
 
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Care home managers are refusing to accept elderly people discharged from fears, and one has said government-issued protective equipment for residents and staff is “completely useless”.

David Steedman, the manager of Arlington House care home in Sussex, said he had five empty rooms but he was not taking in people discharged from hospital as it would be “madness” to expose residents and staff to the risk of infection.”

Not entirely surprising considering they cannot test people they are discharging from hospital.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...nts-discharged-nhs-hospitals-coronavirus-risk
 
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