Bloody idjit

Might be the reason for such difference between the Irish and British, over here those people would just be labelled nosey c**ts - you're either a copper, or you're not.

It's fine to report suspicions, but aggressively confronting someone who's not really clearly guilty of anything, is wrong. No matter how you like to swing it.

Picture yourself as the guy in that car - [hypothetically] you were already self isolating, you like to camp out alone maybe [hence the trailer - looks very much a camping trailer] - you see potential in this slip road, away from 99.99% of civilization ... drive up for a peek - here comes the f'ing local do-goo cavalry, shouting at you like you're some P**** just pulled into a kid's playground with your bits hanging out. I see over reaction, and the tone they put across ... not surprised he was calling the cops, he was s***ting himself by looks of it - bit deliverance vibe about it all

In mainland UK It's been well enough publicised via TV, radio and social media that people are not to travel further than 2km from their homes for recreation purposes, and, in particular, not to travel long distances to the countryside or to self isolate in holiday homes (unless they were already there when the lockdown was announced). As for your first sentence, if it came down to it, I'd rather be labelled a nosey **** than a selfish one.

The sooner everyone does as they're told and follows the lockdown restrictions, the sooner the virus will die out and we can get back to normal, in weeks rather than months. If people don't take this seriously and don't follow the spirit of the legislation and government advice, then we'll still be in lockdown in July or August. Then, if people come to the conclusion that it's selfish individuals that have made things worse than they needed to be, I wouldn't like to be one of them!

So let's just follow the sprit of the advice we've been given by our respective governments... Just get it done and we can moan about it afterwards!
 
In mainland UK It's been well enough publicised via TV, radio and social media that people are not to travel further than 2km from their homes for recreation purposes, and, in particular, not to travel long distances to the countryside or to self isolate in holiday homes (unless they were already there when the lockdown was announced). As for your first sentence, if it came down to it, I'd rather be labelled a nosey **** than a selfish one.

The sooner everyone does as they're told and follows the lockdown restrictions, the sooner the virus will die out and we can get back to normal, in weeks rather than months. If people don't take this seriously and don't follow the spirit of the legislation and government advice, then we'll still be in lockdown in July or August. Then, if people come to the conclusion that it's selfish individuals that have made things worse than they needed to be, I wouldn't like to be one of them!

So let's just follow the sprit of the advice we've been given by our respective governments... Just get it done and we can moan about it afterwards!
I've seen or heard nothing indicating a 2km max from home.
I think it's a good idea tbh.
 
I've seen or heard nothing indicating a 2km max from home.
I think it's a good idea tbh.
I heard it on the news yesterday as clarification on the maximum distance people should drive to exercise so they can observe the minimum personal distance space from others while doing so. But as usual, do cross check the validity of that information before believing it's correct and following it!

However, as I said in a previous post, I think the government should issue the following statement to encourage people to act reasonably:

Get it straight, each time you leave your home - for any reason - you risk contracting and/or spreading this disease.... how many of the next ones to die might be your fault?
 
I saw 2 cars yesterday doing about 30mph and I swear they were less than 2 metres apart!
 
I think its fairly clear what the rules are, taken from NHS but repeated numerously


Stay at home to stop coronavirus spreading
Everyone must stay at home to help stop the spread of coronavirus.

You should only leave the house for 1 of 4 reasons:

  • shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possible -
  • one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle – alone or with members of your household
  • any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person
  • travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home


1 form of exercise per day - Granted it says 1 form which suggest you may only walk OR run OR cycle but does not limit the distance or the number of times a day you may do so

There is nothing there that suggests you can drive to a location to take the 1 form of exercise - granted id doesnt forbid it either but I dont think anyone can really interpret that driving anywhere other than to work where essential, for medical need or to food shop is essential and the expectation is that the 1 form of exercise commences from your home and there is no suggestion that the place of exercise has to be visually stunning.

As to spreading the virus, its transfered by contact or direct breath/sneeze on. If it was purely airbourne no one would be allowed into the shops and staff would be in full hazmat suits.
The greatest risk of capturing or transferring is through shopping, visiting medical facilities or public transport. If the risk of transfer was so great there would be a larger distance than 2m being advised. With that in mind walking 10 m behind someone else or the other side of the street is acceptable. There really is no justification to drive for exercise.

In fact apart from the benefits of fresh air, walking around your garden or around your home for a solid hour will have the same benefits as a 1 hour walk outside and would reduce the risk of transfer/catching to the very minimal. Which kind of blows any reasoning for driving to less populated location to exercise in order to minimise the risk of contracting the virus out the water
 
Two members of my family that are in a vulnerable category have received letters informing them to stay isolated at home until 12th June.
There are hundreds of videos on the internet of exercises to do in the confines of your own home.
Everybody have been asked to stay at home and not leave unless absolutely essential, so I really don't understand why anybody feels they need to challenge the in/outs of the situation.
 
if people keep interpreting things to suit there own circumstances I can see us following france ,they have to print out a form that states why they are out ,i.e walk ,meds,food,work ,shopping and tick off that reason and produce to the police if stopped ,no form then it’s a fine
 
A friend went for a walk along the prom in Aberystwyth yesterday - she lives there - and sat down for a rest... policeman came along and told her she wasn't allowed to sit down.

Is that "common sense"?

I could also leave the house on foot, go for a five mile walk when the chances of meeting someone else are virtually nil, stopping to do some bird-watching or photography and I would be breaking the law? Is that common sense? For my part I'm very grateful I can/could do that without running the risk of catching/passing on the virus from/to anyone else.
 
A friend went for a walk along the prom in Aberystwyth yesterday - she lives there - and sat down for a rest... policeman came along and told her she wasn't allowed to sit down.

Is that "common sense"?

If she is infected, by sitting down she could contaminate the bench for the next person who sits on it. Or indeed become infected from the last person who sat on it.

I know it all sounds extreme, but we are in a fairly extreme situation, and I can understand the logic.
 
Everybody have been asked to stay at home and not leave unless absolutely essential, so I really don't understand why anybody feels they need to challenge the in/outs of the situation.
That's true, and it's what I've been doing apart from getting food or exercise.
I'm not challenging the ins and outs of the situation, but without clarification on certain things, some people think it's ok to drive then exercise or drive and walk their dogs.
Others walk/cycle for miles.
If it was stated max 1 hour exercise, max 2km from home, car can't be used to drive for exercising or dog walking, then there are absolutely no grey areas.
 
I can't work out if people are stupid or selfish i really cant, i sort of hope in the situation we are in its stupid but--------
 
I'm classed as vulnerable because of my age, and I'm also an insulin-dependent diabetic. Since I retired I've spent every second week on our farm in North Yorkshire, we run it as a horse rescue and re-homing centre and I do general labouring and driving jobs there. I went there on Monday before the "advice" for people like myself to stay at home.

I'm now self-isolating and will stay indoors for the forseeable, but "on the way home" on Friday I had to deliver a trailer that the charity had sold, simply because the firm that had contracted to deliver it backed out. That's a story in itself because the young lad who I delivered this 24' long, 8' wide car transport trailer to had clearly never towed a trailer before and I'd be amazed if he had a trailer licence, but that's by the by . . .

I delivered it to a far from salubrious estate near Birmingham city centre and this very dodgy street was full of people, none of them seemed to know or care about social distancing. I had to explain how the trailer tilting mechanism worked and a crowd literally gathered around me - when I asked them to move back for my safety and theirs all I got was blank looks - how can social distancing and self-isolation work when there's a sector of society that totally ignores it?

Should I have delivered the trailer, a 300+ mile journey? Possibly not, but apart from these idiots I was isolated in my car. My heavy off-roader can't do 300 miles, with a heavy trailer, on a tankful of diesel but I thought of that and re-fuelled in a deserted parking spot, using jerry cans. And I think it was an essential journey anyway, we'd sold the trailer, the customer had also paid for delivery and there was nobody else.
 
I'm very lucky as I live close to a secluded little beach that few people visit. My house is two and a half miles from the nearest main road and town and we rarely see people other than our immediate neighbours - there are eight houses.

I'm wheelchair bound and with multiple health issues am well used to spending 95% of my time at home (even more so now), so in that respect - lucky again I suppose.

I have an Assistance Dog and obviously, he needs walking twice a day. However, now when I go out I see dozens of people - they've taken to driving here in order to walk their dogs and take their exercise. It's so busy, they may as well go to the local park or any other beach. They are deliberately putting each other as well as the residents here at far more risk and to be honest I'd like to shoot the barstewards. :mad:
 
This is a very long read but skim it or dip in and you'll get the gist of it.........https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Sent by a GP friend.

A summary would be - "This virus seems to be roughly as dangerous as the flu and many people who are dying from it are actually dying of other conditions while also having the virus in the body.
 
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I'm very lucky as I live close to a secluded little beach that few people visit. My house is two and a half miles from the nearest main road and town and we rarely see people other than our immediate neighbours - there are eight houses.

I'm wheelchair bound and with multiple health issues am well used to spending 95% of my time at home (even more so now), so in that respect - lucky again I suppose.

I have an Assistance Dog and obviously, he needs walking twice a day. However, now when I go out I see dozens of people - they've taken to driving here in order to walk their dogs and take their exercise. It's so busy, they may as well go to the local park or any other beach. They are deliberately putting each other as well as the residents here at far more risk and to be honest I'd like to shoot the barstewards. :mad:


I was going to "like" your post until i got to the last bit........
 
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The problem lies in That 2 mile each way drive ,you could possibly have a breakdown,puncture or accident which will then involve others coming to your aid and putting you or them at risk .. or you could be stopped by the police and again either you or them is in danger of cross contamination . We are all in the same scary boat so best to comply as much as it’s a pain in the arse
No the problem is some people make that 2 miles to a remote location into a 30+ mile trip to a nice location that's already overcrowded.
 
This is a very long read but skim it or dip in and you'll get the gist of it.........https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Sent by a GP friend.

A summary would be - "This virus seems to be roughly as dangerous as the flu and many people who are dying from it are actually dying of other conditions while also having the virus in the body.

The deaths from Covid-19 are people who've died & tested positive, I've heard of one case where the hospital specifically said that Covid-19 was not a contributing factor to the death, no doubt there are many more as well as many cases where it's hastened the death of the patient by only a few days.

What we really need is comparative data that shows deaths at the current time vs the average for the same period last year & perhaps the last 5 years.
The stark figures widely published inflate the mortality rate, both from the number of deaths & not showing the real number of cases (testing variation). Despite the unreliable data I think it's still pretty clear it's BAD.
 
A friend went for a walk along the prom in Aberystwyth yesterday - she lives there - and sat down for a rest... policeman came along and told her she wasn't allowed to sit down.

Is that "common sense"?
No, she shouldn't have been on the prom in my opinion
 
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That's true, and it's what I've been doing apart from getting food or exercise.
I'm not challenging the ins and outs of the situation, but without clarification on certain things, some people think it's ok to drive then exercise or drive and walk their dogs.
Others walk/cycle for miles.
If it was stated max 1 hour exercise, max 2km from home, car can't be used to drive for exercising or dog walking, then there are absolutely no grey areas.

Wasn't finger pointing Bob. However to stop the brainless I think stronger measures similar to what you suggest should have been brought in earlier, but they're probably coming soon.
 
We just had some numpty on our "Next Door" neighborhood site enquiring if anyone knew of a barbers shop that was open locally!

Which part of "Self Isolation" don't some people understand?
 
My wife and I are regular exercisers with either a power walk or run 3-4 times a week, her for pain management and me because last year I needed to lose some 4 stones of weight that I had accumulated over the last few years. Anyway I managed to get down from an almost obese 15 stones to an acceptable 11 1/2 stones having dropped waistline by 8 inches in the process. We live on the edge of Dartmoor so have nice countryside a short walk/run from our house which is in a relatively quiet village. We usually drive to a local reservoir on Saturdays and power walk around it (4 miles) but this week we chose not to do that so as not to flout the Gov't guidelines. Today we had an easy exercise day which is a brisk walk rather than power walk, (I normally pack 30+ pounds of camera gear in a backpack so I get benefit when walking at the slower pace with my wife) I was tempted to take my Medium Format kit and tripod just in case but thought better of it so just took my Fuji X-T2 with 16-55 so that I could get some hand held grab shots along the walk. Disappointingly on the walk I did see another photographer who had chosen to take his kit and tripod. I did manage to get 4 keepers from the 58 minute walk (I can stop for a short while and then run on to catch Mrs T up.

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i see that police in Warrington have been handing out fines yesterday for ,large group of mates , going out for a drive cause he was bored, and coming home from a party .. multiply that by the whole country and I don’t hold out much hope for a early end
 
Many ways of looking at this, the locals should mind their own business perhaps? Did they own the land? He's a guy out for a drive sight seeing, or am I missing something? He was a bit melodramatic calling the cops perhaps? but then the local guy said if the visitor hadn't , he would have .... I think these 'lock down' obsessive people are highly f'ing irritating tbh - you're not suddenly the law because there's a pandemic, stay at home indoors and mind your own if it's so important to you.

You think its ok to drive from Sheffield to North Wales ATM?
Police told him to go home so could not have had a valid reason for his "essential" journey
I think you sometimes post to wind people up
 
You think its ok to drive from Sheffield to North Wales ATM?
Police told him to go home so could not have had a valid reason for his "essential" journey
I think you sometimes post to wind people up

I think sometimes people need to stop being so melodramatic ... aye, I posted just to wind you up specifically sure :rolleyes::ROFLMAO:

I don't know the area, I don't know what distance that is, and it's none of my concern really. I can only go on what I seen in that video
 
In mainland UK It's been well enough publicised via TV, radio and social media that people are not to travel further than 2km from their homes for recreation purposes, and, in particular, not to travel long distances to the countryside or to self isolate in holiday homes (unless they were already there when the lockdown was announced). As for your first sentence, if it came down to it, I'd rather be labelled a nosey **** than a selfish one.

The sooner everyone does as they're told and follows the lockdown restrictions, the sooner the virus will die out and we can get back to normal, in weeks rather than months. If people don't take this seriously and don't follow the spirit of the legislation and government advice, then we'll still be in lockdown in July or August. Then, if people come to the conclusion that it's selfish individuals that have made things worse than they needed to be, I wouldn't like to be one of them!

So let's just follow the sprit of the advice we've been given by our respective governments... Just get it done and we can moan about it afterwards!

The 2km thing only came into effect last night - and people screaming for lock down need to really think hard about what it actually means - because 2km radius is nowhere near full lock down
 
The 2km thing only came into effect last night - and people screaming for lock down need to really think hard about what it actually means - because 2km radius is nowhere near full lock down
I've seen 2km mentioned regarding the lockdown in Ireland, but not in the UK....yet.
 
I've seen 2km mentioned regarding the lockdown in Ireland, but not in the UK....yet.

I think it was Northern Ireland started the ruling, it's a bit more relaxed it seems for us down south:

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TAOISEACH LEO VARADKAR has clarified that the 2km limit on movement outside the home is for physical exercise and people can travel beyond this for food and medicine.

Varadkar has also reminded people that there is no need to “do all shopping or stockpile” this morning as food shops and takeaways remain open.

The Taoiseach clarified that the 2km limit on movement outside the home is about exercising locally. People can travel beyond this 2km to buy food and medicines."


https://www.thejournal.ie/clarification-on-coronavirus-measures-ireland-5060744-Mar2020/

I just came back from Tesco myself - there was a queue to get in with 2m space markings along the floor right through the shopping centre. People were sticking to this without any hassle, as one shopper exits, another is let through. Once inside Tesco itself shopping was more relaxed than a normal Sunday, less people down each aisle, nobody panic buying, all seemed very casual. It is a bit strange that we're getting used to the plexi glass and we automatically head behind the green lines at the checkout. I use the bar-code zapper and bag my shopping as I go - much handier, I don't know why everyone isn't using this system. It keeps the checkouts flowing a lot smoother
 
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We just had some numpty on our "Next Door" neighborhood site enquiring if anyone knew of a barbers shop that was open locally!

Which part of "Self Isolation" don't some people understand?

There's going to be some very shaggy people around when this whole thing eventually blows out ........
 
I think it was Northern Ireland started the ruling, it's a bit more relaxed it seems for us down south:

"
TAOISEACH LEO VARADKAR has clarified that the 2km limit on movement outside the home is for physical exercise and people can travel beyond this for food and medicine.

Varadkar has also reminded people that there is no need to “do all shopping or stockpile” this morning as food shops and takeaways remain open.

The Taoiseach clarified that the 2km limit on movement outside the home is about exercising locally. People can travel beyond this 2km to buy food and medicines."


https://www.thejournal.ie/clarification-on-coronavirus-measures-ireland-5060744-Mar2020/

I just came back from Tesco myself - there was a queue to get in with 2m space markings along the floor right through the shopping centre. People were sticking to this without any hassle, as one shopper exits, another is let through. Once inside Tesco itself shopping was more relaxed than a normal Sunday, less people down each aisle, nobody panic buying, all seemed very casual. It is a bit strange that we're getting used to the plexi glass and we automatically head behind the green lines at the checkout. I use the bar-code zapper and bag my shopping as I go - much handier, I don't know why everyone isn't using this system. It keeps the checkouts flowing a lot smoother
They are using the same system over here
Went to sainsbury's yesterday and it was same, small queue to get in, but much more relaxed once in.
 
Just one of the references from the report I linked to above. Covid 19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

Don't get me wrong - I'll do everything I can to not catch it (or to pass it on if I did have it) but just to counteract the hysteria apparent here and everywhere come to that.

I note that in the daily statistics they now refer to people dying "with the virus" rather than "of the virus".
 
Just one of the references from the report I linked to above. Covid 19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

While I agree with you about needing to control some of the hysteria, if you read through that document there might be a partial explanation why the classification was changed i.e in England all HCID cases must be transferred to one of only two hospitals, with some support from a further two.

But yes, from what I've been reading both the mortality rate and the R-zero value are lower than first thought.
 
I think sometimes people need to stop being so melodramatic ... aye, I posted just to wind you up specifically sure :rolleyes::ROFLMAO:

I don't know the area, I don't know what distance that is, and it's none of my concern really. I can only go on what I seen in that video

Google knows- its 115 miles, personally if I was going to comment on a post I would look it up if I didn`t have a clue but hey ho

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http://www.deeside.com/police-in-de...mCUjzzLpSZ9-M0ClpI8mCbJ2aV-KYF_yBcecakHpM4WFY
 
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Back to the sixties!
We all had longer hair then (and many of us had more of it!)

Not a problem, I "panic bought" shave gel and razor blades:ROFLMAO:

GC
 
Google knows- its 115 miles, personally if I was going to comment on a post I would look it up if I didn`t have a clue but hey ho

EDIT- another
http://www.deeside.com/police-in-de...mCUjzzLpSZ9-M0ClpI8mCbJ2aV-KYF_yBcecakHpM4WFY

Personally I don't care how you do anything. I was commenting on the over reaction in the video, I didn't need to google anything because how far it is was irrelevant IMO [use google to get an understanding of what 'IMO' means] - What does it matter to me, or you for that matter, the distance? - I swear you just post to troll people ....
 
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