The virus. PPE. Part 1

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NeilA1975 said:
The police, AFAIK, already have the power to stop any motorist at any time with or without giving a reason.
Furthermore theyre entitl;ed to take action in accordance with the current regs, as per the following https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/regulation/8/made
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Just an article I read.

"Police chiefs are drawing up new guidance warning forces not to overreach their lockdown enforcement powers"

"The intervention comes amid growing concern that some forces are going beyond their legal powers"

Full article here >> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coro...s-lockdown-powers/ar-BB11VIC4?ocid=spartanntp

I am all for obeying the law , and it would be nice if everybody did obey the law. Unfortunately there are those that do not obey the law, and think they do not have to follow what is lawful.
 
Had a letter from the Welsh Government this morning stating that because I am over 70 and have an existing ongoing health problem I must not go out at all!
Not sure how that will work as we only have one more delivery shopping slot and no-one else to do the shopping. Wonder if Amazon have any of these left:

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Al1944 said:
Had a letter from the Welsh Government this morning stating that because I am over 70 and have an existing ongoing health problem I must not go out at all!
Not sure how that will work as we only have one more delivery shopping slot and no-one else to do the shopping. Wonder if Amazon have any of these left:
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If the Hazmat suits are out of stock, have a look here for local groups organising community support (like collecting shopping):
https://covidmutualaid.org/
 
Nod said:
I spent a couple of days in an ICU bed and had twice daily visits from a Physiotherapist to keep me moving and breathing to reduce the chances of a pneumonia.
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nilagin said:
Odd that when I suggested that nurses, redundant from other areas, could be used to turn COVID19 patients to help with breathing as seen in Italy, that Donnie practically dismissed the idea as he hadn't seen the video, but the second I provide evidence of it physiotherapists doing just that in the UK, it's a case of,
" That is standard practice."
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Which it is? Why are you still trying to point score at me about this? You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet and refuse to believe that anyone but you can be right.
I mean you've actually just reinforced my being right by quoting Nod, ie, it IS standard practice, he just said so. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
tarric said:
If this is true it's a disgrace. We shouldn't expect heath professionals to put the life's at risk due to insufficient PPE and if they are having to they should be able to speak up about it without fear of recrimination.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coro...uipment-shortages/ar-BB11VIXS?ocid=spartanntp
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It is true Im sure but worse is the fact that it's only doctors that get away it at any time, you wont see nurses doing it through fear of their careers as they are a lot easier to fire / sack / bully / threaten.
 
nilagin said:
Dyson has said that he will be producing 15k ventilators, 10k the government has ordered, he is donating 1k more to the NHS, paid for out of his own pocket and the rest will be sold to other countries
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Its just another version of 'boy one get one free' trick that the supermarkets use, except in this case its buy TEN get one free.
Naive in the extreme to think that this is coming out of his own pocket...
 
gman said:
Reminds me of the six degrees of separation!

Although I have noticed one or two members quite often seem to have either worked in, have a family member, a neighbour or a friend involved or associated with whatever subject is being discussed. Seems a little too convenient sometimes.
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That would be my brother-in-law's, neighbours dentist !
 
the black fox said:
Sorry Jon but imho the police are acting correctly ,it’s the numpties with either no common sense ,don’t read the news as it upsets them,or just plain I can do what I want attitude . That are causing the problems ..
as in I,ll put the dog in the car and drive 30 miles away to take it for a walk in isolation .only trouble being that 500 other stupid t***s had the same idea .
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I have no issue in police having a quiet word and reminding people of guidance. The issue is the police enforcing guidance not law. And police must be held to account by the publicans media from over-zealous policing.
Appreciate this is a very fine balance to be struck, but the only way the balance can be found is by the to and fro of public debate.
 
Al1944 said:
Had a letter from the Welsh Government this morning stating that because I am over 70 and have an existing ongoing health problem I must not go out at all!
Not sure how that will work as we only have one more delivery shopping slot and no-one else to do the shopping. Wonder if Amazon have any of these left:

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I thought those in that situation were to receive food parcels.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/first-food-parcels-delivered-to-clinically-vulnerable-people
 
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Donnie said:
Which it is? Why are you still trying to point score at me about this? You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet and refuse to believe that anyone but you can be right.
I mean you've actually just reinforced my being right by quoting Nod, ie, it IS standard practice, he just said so. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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My MiL had a lengthy stay in an ICU then a High dependance ward, the Physio used to visit her, to get to move and stop fluid settling on her lungs. As far as I'm aware, thats all they did, no other care.
 
393 deaths today in the UK from Covid-19. I'd half hoped the small reduction over the last few days would continue, but sadly not.
 
Yup, that's what I had. The ICU nurse on duty was always in the background and there were 3 of them at a time on duty for a 9 bed unit. Absolutely fantastic people, even if Derriford is a shettole!
 
jakeblu said:
There's a lot of it going about at the moment, everyone seems to be related or know, someone Chinese, someone who's a virologist someone etc etc etc.
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That would be my sister-in-law's, neighbours doctor !
 
Donnie said:
Which it is? Why are you still trying to point score at me about this? You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet and refuse to believe that anyone but you can be right.
I mean you've actually just reinforced my being right by quoting Nod, ie, it IS standard practice, he just said so. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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You have quoted my explanation, try reading it.
 
Rapscallion said:
Its just another version of 'boy one get one free' trick that the supermarkets use, except in this case its buy TEN get one free.
Naive in the extreme to think that this is coming out of his own pocket...
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None of the companies building these ventilators are allowed to make a profit from them, they are all being made and sold at cost. If his pricing had been way off from the other manufacturers, do you really think he would have got the contract?
 
nilagin said:
None of the companies building these ventilators are allowed to make a profit from them, they are all being made and sold at cost. If his pricing had been way off from the other manufacturers, do you really think he would have got the contract?
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If the other manufacturers were all ready at full capacity then, yes.
 
nilagin said:
None of the companies building these ventilators are allowed to make a profit from them, they are all being made and sold at cost. If his pricing had been way off from the other manufacturers, do you really think he would have got the contract?
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Yes they are.

The consortium of existing manufacturers have just waived profits.

Dyson has said he "doesn't expect" to make a profit.
 
nilagin said:
None of the companies building these ventilators are allowed to make a profit from them, they are all being made and sold at cost. If his pricing had been way off from the other manufacturers, do you really think he would have got the contract?
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Not allowed? But their costs will be covered and I imagine that some of the hourly rates booked to the project will make some members eyes weep!
 
cambsno said:
So who is lying - the health workers saying there is not enough PPE or the government saying there is?
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From what I've seen, there is PPE.

It's just entirely the wrong sort and doesn't meet WHO guidelines for anything that spreads via aerosol.
 
Rapscallion said:
Not allowed? But their costs will be covered and I imagine that some of the hourly rates booked to the project will make some members eyes weep!
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Hourly rate all depends on the facility, it's overheads and the equipment involved.
They are helping existing manufacturers ramp up production from 100's per month to 1000's. From what I have seen the more expensive ventilators cost around £25k. With much higher guaranteed production runs, that cost should come down.
 
nilagin said:
Hourly rate all depends on the facility, it's overheads and the equipment involved.
They are helping existing manufacturers ramp up production from 100's per month to 1000's. From what I have seen the more expensive ventilators cost around £25k. With much higher guaranteed production runs, that cost should come down.
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I'm happy they are getting involved. But let's not overstate the altruism of these companies eh? Theres going to be a substantial downturn in cars and vacuum cleaner sales, so it's business common sense to broaden their product portfolio to ensure production facilities are kept busier than they would otherwise be.
 
Rapscallion said:
I'm happy they are getting involved. But let's not overstate the altruism of these companies eh? Theres going to be a substantial downturn in cars and vacuum cleaner sales, so it's business common sense to broaden their product portfolio to ensure production facilities are kept busier than they would otherwise be.
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Ford only have two production facilities in the UK, both are engine plants and to my knowledge, neither of them will be manufacturing ventilators.
 
Another 381 have died in hospital:
View: https://BANNED/DHSCgovuk/status/1244998310735331330


Numbers of other COVID-19 associated deaths are being collated, but this takes longer:
View: https://BANNED/ONS/status/1244905924000731136
 
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