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Quote of the month, right there.
with the edit to the post. Well said that man!
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Quote of the month, right there.
Look, if you haven't got anything nice to say then perhaps it would be better if you said nothing at all. After all it's better to say nothing and let people think you're thick than start typing and prove it
show off in the field with with the cloth all over your head.
Aww I was looking forward to a good laughI agree, In fact I Insist.
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I wonder. Is the market that resilient? Right now, the cost of entry is still pretty low (though the prices of decent cameras have been rising over the last few years, and film is getting more expensive). A lot of the enthusiasm is coming from young people who may have limited budgets. But a modern, high quality 35mm camera (say a basic SLR) would be an expensive product to engineer from scratch. Without economies of scale, it may well cost more than a mid-range dSLR. The big traditional camera companies could still make one, but probably have enough to worry about in the mobile phone era. People have tried and (so far) not succeeded on Kickstarter (the Reflex seems to be permanently in development, and the Ihagee Elbaflex that turned out to be a tarted up Kiev never got off the ground). Back in the day, the barrier to entry used to be lower - you could source a shutter assembly as a commodity item from Copal or Seiko, or just get Cosina to lightly tweak their basic design and build the whole thing (I wonder if that's still an option, or if they've junked the tooling?). It's a pity the Lomography guys didn't get something into production in China a bit more sophisticated than the LC-A (which used to be a £30 camera in the 80s, but is now sold for the price of a decent Nikon F5). Could Seagull still make the rebadged X300 copy they licensed from Minolta?I don't think there's a problem. The economics of supply and demand dictate that when the supply of used film cameras tails off, the value of existing working cameras will rise. This will make it economically viable to manufacture both new film cameras and parts to repair old ones. Unfortunately, websites and bloggers like to invent problems to attract clicks.
A lot of the enthusiasm is coming from young people who may have limited budgets.
I actually enjoy doing odd things outside the mainstream (!)
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Welcome to the best bit of the forum MIke.Why film?
Economics first, and being a bit of a weirdo second.
I can't afford north of £500 for a half decent DSLR in a single hit, but can afford to buy half decent 40+ year old cameras plus processing & scanning - I've seen it described somewhere in here as PAYG photography*.
I actually enjoy doing odd things outside the mainstream (!) and using film cameras fits that mould nicely thank you.
*While I've now spent well over that budget on film cameras I'm absolutely certain I'm getting more fun (and learning) out of my collection than I would out of a DSLR and a couple of lenses.
Why film?
Economics first, and being a bit of a weirdo second.
I can't afford north of £500 for a half decent DSLR in a single hit, but can afford to buy half decent 40+ year old cameras plus processing & scanning - I've seen it described somewhere in here as PAYG photography*.
I actually enjoy doing odd things outside the mainstream (!) and using film cameras fits that mould nicely thank you.
*While I've now spent well over that budget on film cameras I'm absolutely certain I'm getting more fun (and learning) out of my collection than I would out of a DSLR and a couple of lenses.
You don't need to pay north of £500 for a half decent DSLR. There's many reasons to choose film over digital, price of the camera isn't one of them.
You don't need to pay north of £500 for a half decent DSLR. There's many reasons to choose film over digital, price of the camera isn't one of them.
Why film?
Economics first, and being a bit of a weirdo second.
I can't afford north of £500 for a half decent DSLR in a single hit, but can afford to buy half decent 40+ year old cameras plus processing & scanning - I've seen it described somewhere in here as PAYG photography*.
I actually enjoy doing odd things outside the mainstream (!) and using film cameras fits that mould nicely thank you.
*While I've now spent well over that budget on film cameras I'm absolutely certain I'm getting more fun (and learning) out of my collection than I would out of a DSLR and a couple of lenses.
Maybe you should ask Martin Parr.Surely not taking a mundane shot should probably be everyone’s objective, no?
I refer my honourable friend to the statement I made some moments agoA mundane shot vs a shot of a mundane subject can be worlds apart.
I think that the medium is not the message and that it really doesn't matter if you use film or digital
There’s a 6D in the classifieds at the moment for well under £500. That’s insane value, pair it with a cheap 50mm (or the 40mm) and you have a setup that’s perfect for most photography (and pretty much all of the stuff I do).
AAAaaarrrggghhh!
I don't want to convince anyone that film is better than digital. I find myself getting annoyed when people try to convince me (us) that digital is better than film. I really enjoy using my film cameras and taking film photos, no matter how terrible or technically inferior they are. I really enjoy chatting with folk who like and use film (and are a bunch of raving monster loonies, into the bargain!).
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Surely not taking a mundane shot should probably be everyone’s objective, no?
Well said Mr RAAAaaarrrggghhh!
I don't want to convince anyone that film is better than digital. I find myself getting annoyed when people try to convince me (us) that digital is better than film. I really enjoy using my film cameras and taking film photos, no matter how terrible or technically inferior they are. I really enjoy chatting with folk who like and use film (and are a bunch of raving monster loonies, into the bargain!).
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Digital is better than film - film is better than digital is like screwdrivers are better than hammers. There cannot be any such thing as better per se. Whet are you doing? What result do you want? Excaliber's photo above is better in digital. My best selling photo of freezing fog in Lincoln was better on film - if only because my Ikoflex only takes film and it needed my Ikoflex for the 80mm Tessar lens which is not available with a digital camera.AAAaaarrrggghhh!
I don't want to convince anyone that film is better than digital. I find myself getting annoyed when people try to convince me (us) that digital is better than film. I really enjoy using my film cameras and taking film photos, no matter how terrible or technically inferior they are. I really enjoy chatting with folk who like and use film (and are a bunch of raving monster loonies, into the bargain!).
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I sneaked into your place earlier and created my own interpretation on Tri-X. Now I just need four more shots for my '5 Frames of copper piping with a Leica M6 and 35mm Summicron ASPH' piece at Emulsive.Well there are gifted amatuers\pros and the rest, but I'm open to sugestions why I should have taken this "mundane" digi shot (to show to a shop\plumber) on film, and if a gifted amateur took the shot on film and created a master piece...I would take my hat off to him\her (well if I had one).
Now I just need four more shots for my '5 Frames of copper piping with a Leica M6 and 35mm Summicron ASPH' piece at Emulsive.
I sneaked into your place earlier and created my own interpretation on Tri-X.
Did you enjoy the process?I sneaked into your place earlier and created my own interpretation on Tri-X.
Did you enjoy the process?
I was looking at the pic of the boiler as posted and thought "given better lighting & the right lens & processing (that would apply whatever photographic medium were used) that could look really good in an industrial-abstract way". I would enjoy a pleasing outcome of a good image, but photography is a form of pleasant work for me: to flip it on its head I enjoy work, but it's still work.
There’s a 6D in the classifieds at the moment for well under £500. That’s insane value, pair it with a cheap 50mm (or the 40mm) and you have a setup that’s perfect for most photography (and pretty much all of the stuff I do).