Baby its cold outside!

I have a memory of hearing Eartha Kitt singing the man's part with some chap singing the woman's part. Can't trace it though. :wideyed:
 
Wasn't there a similar story last year on this very song? They cut it from radio air play or something? Also some channels blanked out "faggot" from FTONY
 
Cagey75 said:
Wasn't there a similar story last year on this very song? They cut it from radio air play or something? Also some channels blanked out "faggot" from FTONY
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That was Radio 1 that started that crap.
 
Phil V said:
Yes; lets all get upset that date rape and spiking drinks isn't seen as 'flirty' anymore.

WTAF give your f*****g heads a shake lads.
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Seriously?
What's in this drink?
It could be vodka and coke.
Do you really think those lyrics relate to spiking drinks and date rape?

Why would anyone even think that date rape and spiking drinks was ever flirty?
That's not why some are getting upset, but I'd expect you know that.

From wikipedia....
Loesser wrote "Baby, It's Cold Outside" to sing with his wife, Lynn Garland, at their housewarming party in New York City at the Navarro Hotel. They sang the song to indicate to guests that it was time to leave.

I think it's just another example of certain groups looking for something that's not there.
 
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Bobsyeruncle said:
I think it's just another example of certain groups looking for something that's not there.
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I think it's that what the author meant isn't relevant and instead it's what the listener takes the meaning and intent to be. So, If I / you / whoever say something in innocence not meaning any offence at all and someone else decides it's racist or sexist or some other nasty thing we're guilty and there's sweet fa that can be said or done in defence. Asking for clarification is of course not necessary and it's always best to let the knee jerk and start a social media melt down.

On the subject of music.

One of my favourite Christmas songs is Rock and roll Christmas but as Garry Glitter is persona non grata no radio station will play it which annoys me as other vile peoples music is routinely played.
 
I think it was Stephen Fry said it best. His response to people who are easily offended - "Well so f**king what?" And even if he didn't actually say it [it became a bit of a meme] - so f'ing what is right. Let them be offended, it's often because they've little else to be doing not because they actually care. Nobody thought of this song as anything but annoying until radio 1 [or whoever initially decided there could be some deeper sinister meaning to the song] suggested as much. They basically spun the radio version of click bait. Now some pop singer is re-hashing the idea - is it about time for the running for Christmas No. 1?
 
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It will be Abba next, songs like does your mother know, dancing queen and when I kissed the teacher. Surprised Je t'aime hasn't already been banned again along with chuk berry's my ding a ling.

What makes this all so ridiculous is has anybody listened to hip hop etc lately.

I actually like Eminem and Dr Dre etc. but the lyrics are far worse than anything that went before and some of the hip hop videos are certainly heading towards being pornographic.
 
munch said:
It will be Abba next, songs like does your mother know, dancing queen and when I kissed the teacher. Surprised Je t'aime hasn't already been banned again along with chuk berry's my ding a ling.

What makes this all so ridiculous is has anybody listened to hip hop etc lately.

I actually like Eminem and Dr Dre etc. but the lyrics are far worse than anything that went before and some of the hip hop videos are certainly heading towards being pornographic.
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Better not ever attend a Jimmy Carr gig either. But it's ok, he's a 'hip' comic not a harmless song from the 50's
 
Cagey75 said:
It was never about date rape until Vanity Fair told you it was.
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Do I look like I read vanity fair?
Read the lyrics, come up with your own conclusion.
As a father of 2 daughters it makes me uncomfortable, likewise ‘blurred lines’ that I thought should have never been allowed on the radio from first hearing.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Seriously?
What's in this drink?
It could be vodka and coke.
Do you really think those lyrics relate to spiking drinks and date rape?

Why would anyone even think that date rape and spiking drinks was ever flirty?
That's not why some are getting upset, but I'd expect you know that.

From wikipedia....
Loesser wrote "Baby, It's Cold Outside" to sing with his wife, Lynn Garland, at their housewarming party in New York City at the Navarro Hotel. They sang the song to indicate to guests that it was time to leave.

I think it's just another example of certain groups looking for something that's not there.
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Written in different times, we don’t still advertise household products with images of men putting their wives over their knees.

Sexual politics was a different place, I’m not judging anyone for decisions made in different times. I’m judging people who believe that just because something was ok 60 years ago it’s still ok today.
 
New boots and panties the LP springs to mind . Quiet a few tracks on that are very explicit , try looking up Plaistow Patricia on u.tube
 
Phil V said:
I’m judging people who believe that just because something was ok 60 years ago it’s still ok today.
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Who has said it's ok?
No one one here has.
All they're questioning is whether the lyrics imply drink spiking and date rape.
If that song makes you feel uncomfortable because you're the father of 2 girls, then God help you.
 
Phil V said:
Do I look like I read vanity fair?
Read the lyrics, come up with your own conclusion.
As a father of 2 daughters it makes me uncomfortable, likewise ‘blurred lines’ that I thought should have never been allowed on the radio from first hearing.
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That's what 5 seconds research on teh net found me Phil. I have 2 daughter's too, this song is less offensive, massively, than other things I've mentioned. Because I know they'd never listen to a s***ty old song like this to begin with, and even then, some misinterpreted ditty from 7 decades back isn't suddenly putting them in danger. The lyrics they hear regular on pop radio channels however, can be much more questionable.
 
Phil V said:
Do I look like I read vanity fair?
Read the lyrics, come up with your own conclusion.
As a father of 2 daughters it makes me uncomfortable, likewise ‘blurred lines’ that I thought should have never been allowed on the radio from first hearing.
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Golly. Yes. I remember seeing the vid for that and wondering if it was in any way suitable for the younger market who'd probably be viewing and listening which maybe shows how innocent I am.

How some men behave just saddens me and the way some women behave and dress makes me wonder if that's how women really have to behave to get on in this world. I saw some awards show and the female presenter was congratulating a little boy who seemed to be at eye level with her crotch which her dress appeared to be tucked into. Two things went through my mind (not what you may think...) and they were is that dress in any way appropriate for an awards show involving children and is that how she's expected to dress? Isn't there the option of covering your breasts and crotch just for an hour or so?

Maybe I belong in a previous decade but I just don't see the need for dressing or behaving as if you're a piece of meat on show or singing / rapping about abuse, disrespect and violence. Give me Smooth radio instead :D
 
It was a different world back then and that's what needs to be remembered. Censoring the name of Guy Gibson's dog in "The Dambusters" was just one example of how daft the whitewashing of history can become.

Soon they'll have written the efforts of Bomber Command out of our history entirely so young people will wonder what this strange old aircraft is all about...Panasonic G9 8GB 06 P1010781.JPG
 
What annoys me he most about this, is this John Legend dude - why doesn't he just FO and write his own songs? I could never stand these performers who make a living off of other people's music, like that other irritating plonk Michael Bubble. If he doesn't like the song, or the lyrics, then Why TF cover it to begin with? Well, that's rhetorical John, we know you just want the controversy to lure kids in. I mean it already has us ol farts discussing it.

Next it'll be for "charity" - when we all know for charitable status they need only donate something like 15% of the proceeds
 
woof woof said:
I think it's that what the author meant isn't relevant and instead it's what the listener takes the meaning and intent to be. So, If I / you / whoever say something in innocence not meaning any offence at all and someone else decides it's racist or sexist or some other nasty thing we're guilty and there's sweet fa that can be said or done in defence. Asking for clarification is of course not necessary and it's always best to let the knee jerk and start a social media melt down.

On the subject of music.

One of my favourite Christmas songs is Rock and roll Christmas but as Garry Glitter is persona non grata no radio station will play it which annoys me as other vile peoples music is routinely played.
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I play it all the time, great song and a good singer
 
Cagey75 said:
That's what 5 seconds research on teh net found me Phil. I have 2 daughter's too, this song is less offensive, massively, than other things I've mentioned. Because I know they'd never listen to a s***ty old song like this to begin with, and even then, some misinterpreted ditty from 7 decades back isn't suddenly putting them in danger. The lyrics they hear regular on pop radio channels however, can be much more questionable.
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I’m not suggesting this song is putting anyone ‘in danger’. Ffs how to overreact.

It displays a very old fashioned and questionable attitude I’d rather we didn’t have to listen to, so for me if someone’s chosen to cover it, I’d rather they didn’t, and if they’re changing the lyrics to make it less unsuitable? How is that a bad thing?

The whole debate is based on some old farts wanting something to get upset about.

And I’m well aware there are many modern acts promoting much worse, and yes I flipping despair.

We live in a world that continually sexualises young girls whilst at the same time is obsessed with catching ‘pedos’. It’s a flipping disgrace.
 
Phil V said:
The whole debate is based on some old farts wanting something to get upset about.
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Or it's about some new farts wanting something to get upset about.
Depends on your viewpoint.

Phil V said:
We live in a world that continually sexualises young girls whilst at the same time is obsessed with catching ‘pedos’. It’s a flipping disgrace.
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I agree with this...
 
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I doubt it was written as date rape or spiking drinks - its an old fashioned song... the only 'dodgy' thing (bearing in mind it was the 40s/50s) was the fact she appears to be unmarried and round a guys house.

If people are sad enough to think this endorses rape then I feel sorry for them.

What next ban songs like :

Tom Jones - Delilah (“As she deceived me I watched and went out of my mind ... At break of day when that man drove away I was waiting, I crossed the street to her house and she opened the door, she stood there laughing, I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more.” )

Elvis - Kissin Cousins (“I’ve got a gal, she’s as cute as she can be, she’s a distant cousin but she’s not too distant with me. We’ll kiss all night, I’ll squeeze her tight, but we’re kissin’ cousins and that’s what makes it all right.” )

Cure - Killing an Arab (“Staring down the barrel at an arab on the ground, I can see his mouth open but I hear no sound. I’m alive, I’m dead, I’m the stranger killing an arab.” )

The Monks - Nice Legs (“Met her on a blind date ... he said she was good looking. when I saw her there she was a real disgrace, I thought nice legs, shame about the face.” )

Beastie Boyes - Girls (“Girls to do the dishes, to clean up my room, to do the laundry, and in the bathroom two at a time, I want girls.” )

Stones - Under my thumb (“It’s down to me, the way she does just what she’s told. Down to me, the change has come. Under my thumb, her eyes are just kept to herself, under my thumb, well I can still look at someone else.” )

Beatles - Run for your Life (“I’d rather see you dead little girl than to be with another man. Baby, I’m determined, and I’d rather see you dead.” )

And many, many, more no doubt.
 
Try the Stones Brown Sugar: that IS about raping female slaves. :wideyed: Cool tune, utterly horrible lyrics.

This is nothing but a crass, cynical attempt at publicity exploiting the outrage of a particularly vocal segment of society.
 
Phil V said:
Again
I’m not suggesting this song is putting anyone ‘in danger’. Ffs how to overreact.

It displays a very old fashioned and questionable attitude I’d rather we didn’t have to listen to, so for me if someone’s chosen to cover it, I’d rather they didn’t, and if they’re changing the lyrics to make it less unsuitable? How is that a bad thing?

The whole debate is based on some old farts wanting something to get upset about.

And I’m well aware there are many modern acts promoting much worse, and yes I flipping despair.

We live in a world that continually sexualises young girls whilst at the same time is obsessed with catching ‘pedos’. It’s a flipping disgrace.
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The only over reaction in this thread has been yours Phil ... "FFS" all you like. Are you sure you're not the old fart getting upset for the sake of it? it is coming across that way. Remind yourself, the song is from the 50's ... 'FFS' and get over it. You say it yourself, we live in a world - as in now - that sees sexual exploitation as the norm, and you're upset about a 70 year old song?
 
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Cagey75 said:
is it about time for the running for Christmas No. 1?
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Already suggested in the opening post :D
( and yes I for 1 think so anyway)

Cagey75 said:
the song is from the 50's ... 'FFS' and get over it.
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Actually it was written in 1944.

Was there such things as spiking drinks 75 years ago
 
Cobra said:
Already suggested in the opening post :D
( and yes I for 1 think so anyway)


Actually it was written in 1944.

Was there such things as spiking drinks 75 years ago
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Came up as 1953, maybe a re-release? I don't think the song was about that in any way shape or form and I think those moaning about it know this too. She feels a bit tipsy after having a drink is all and they both seem to be flirting.
 
Cagey75 said:
The only over reaction in this thread has been yours Phil ... "FFS" all you like. Are you sure you're not the old fart getting upset for the sake of it? it is coming across that way. Remind yourself, the song is from the 50's ... 'FFS' and get over it. You say it yourself, we live in a world - as in now - that sees sexual exploitation as the norm, and you're upset about a 70 year old song?
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I’m not upset about a song, you’re sorely misreading my posts if you think some 70 year old lyrics would ‘upset me’. I’m just questioning people who want to have a p155ing contest about its innocence.

The idea someone wants to change the lyrics is a bit daft, starting a post on a photography forum because that offends your sensibilities is f*****g bizarre.

If you’re offended because someone’s pointing out the worlds moved on in 70 years then you need to question who’s ‘too easily offended’ IMHO.
 
Cagey75 said:
Came up as 1953, maybe a re-release?
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Wiki says :-
"Baby, It's Cold Outside" is an Academy Award-winning popular song written by Frank Loesser in 1944, which gained wide recognition in 1949 when it was performed in the film Neptune's Daughter. While the lyrics make no mention of any holiday, it is popularly regarded as a Christmas song owing to its winter theme. The song was released in no fewer than eight recordings in 1949 and has been covered numerous times since.

Since 2009, the song has faced some criticism for the presumed implications of its lyrics. In 2018, the airing of the song was cancelled by a number of radio stations, such as the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's streaming service, due to listeners' concerns about the lyrics,[1] but later reinstated it after public backlash.[2]
 
Phil V said:
starting a post on a photography forum because that offends your sensibilities is f*****g bizarre.
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I'm not offended in the slightest
If you'd bothered to read the opening post without your "I'm offended" hat on, I'm applauding the guy for PR job he's doing on his latest release.
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Well I guess that's one way to give someone ( that I guess) a lot of people have never heard of, a shot at the #1 Christmas slot.
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Phil V said:
If you’re offended because someone’s pointing out the worlds moved on in 70 years then you need to question who’s ‘too easily offended’ IMHO.
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The only person that appears to be offended in this thread is you.
Offended by perceived offendedness ( is that even a word? well it is now (y) )
 
Phil V said:
I’m not upset about a song, you’re sorely misreading my posts if you think some 70 year old lyrics would ‘upset me’. I’m just questioning people who want to have a p155ing contest about its innocence.

The idea someone wants to change the lyrics is a bit daft, starting a post on a photography forum because that offends your sensibilities is f*****g bizarre.

If you’re offended because someone’s pointing out the worlds moved on in 70 years then you need to question who’s ‘too easily offended’ IMHO.
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You're beginning to sound hypocritical now, as it was clearly you who seemed easily offended in your first post. My first post was to mention the song was banned on radio this time last year, and added that they bleeped out a word in Fairy tale of NY ... [nobody seems to give a dang about that one] Take more than lyrics of a song or people's reactions to it to offend me. More intrigued or bemused than offended over here
 
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Wiki says :-
"Baby, It's Cold Outside" is an Academy Award-winning popular song written by Frank Loesser in 1944, which gained wide recognition in 1949 when it was performed in the film Neptune's Daughter. While the lyrics make no mention of any holiday, it is popularly regarded as a Christmas song owing to its winter theme. The song was released in no fewer than eight recordings in 1949 and has been covered numerous times since.

Since 2009, the song has faced some criticism for the presumed implications of its lyrics. In 2018, the airing of the song was cancelled by a number of radio stations, such as the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's streaming service, due to listeners' concerns about the lyrics,[1] but later reinstated it after public backlash.[2]
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I thought the Bing Crosby version was the original, learned something new at least. That and people get more snowflakey by the decade :D
 
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Cobra said:
Was there such things as spiking drinks 75 years ago
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Sadly, yes. Mickey Finns first cropped up around the turn of the 20th century.
 
Cobra said:
Was there such things as spiking drinks 75 years ago
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.... I'm sure that naughty boys were spiking girlies' drinks even back in the days of the dude called Jesus. Lads have been trying anything to get their leg over since Adam & Eve when it is alleged that she spiked Adam with a special apple.

I hasten to add that I do not approve of spiking drinks and it's a very sad reflection of those doing it as well. Nowadays drinking too much alcohol seems to have the same effect.
 
RedRobin said:
I'm sure that naughty boys were spiking girlies' drinks even back in the days of the dude called Jesus.
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:D
RedRobin said:
Adam & Eve when it is alleged that she spiked Adam with a special apple.
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Yeah that's it, blame the snake :p


But I'm not even sure the reference is to spiking drinks.
I'm sure we've all said it, after consuming "more than out fair share" and falling / stumbling etc, "WTF was in that drink? ;)
 
Is this a bad time to say I once gave a gf too much to drink just to shut her up? (No sex involved.)
 
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