Girl with two dogs

Wouldn't they be better in the 'Photo' section rather than the 'Discussion' section?
 
Moved (y)
 
I suppose it depends on the country the dogs were bred in ,cutting of dogs ears in the UK is banned, it was originally done for working dogs to prevent them from being bitten from rodents etc, that aside i must admit i do like the photo.
 
derekG said:
I suppose it depends on the country the dogs were bred in ,cutting of dogs ears in the UK is banned, it was originally done for working dogs to prevent them from being bitten from rodents etc, that aside i must admit i do like the photo.
Click to expand...
Oh, I see. Next time I will ask her about ears of her dogs.
 
derekG said:
I suppose it depends on the country the dogs were bred in ,cutting of dogs ears in the UK is banned, it was originally done for working dogs to prevent them from being bitten from rodents etc, that aside i must admit i do like the photo.
Click to expand...
Theres still people doing it though. A friend runs a dog rescue they get dogs in all the time with ears and docked tails. People are more concerned about fashion than their pets wellfair.
 
swanseamale47 said:
Theres still people doing it though. A friend runs a dog rescue they get dogs in all the time with ears and docked tails. People are more concerned about fashion than their pets wellfair.
Click to expand...
I asked her about ears. She said, that this breed is very active, and they play and fight a lot. Veterinarian recommended ear cupping to awoid injuries in future. I suppose, this surgery meaningless in most cases (especially if it's done for "fashion").

She send me an old photo of her dog. Looks cute.
Nk47H4ptAao.jpg
 
Pomo said:
I asked her about ears. She said, that this breed is very active, and they play and fight a lot. Veterinarian recommended ear cupping to awoid injuries in future. I suppose, this surgery meaningless in most cases (especially if it's done for "fashion").

She send me an old photo of her dog. Looks cute.
View attachment 248934
Click to expand...
I’m doubtful about this explanation for ear cropping, I’ve had a lot of dogs and they’ve never injured each other in what looks, to humans, like very violent play. Fighting is a different matter but you would have to remove almost all off the pinna to avoid that.
Ear cropping is usually (not in UK) done to guarding breeds (Dobermans etc) if their ears tend to droop to make them look more alert/fierce. Puppy‘s ears aren’t a very good guide to the eventual adult ears -- there’s a saying among dog breeders that a puppy will “grow into his ears” that illustrates that.
In breeds that must have pricked ears some show people resort to putting tape on young dogs’ ears in a (probably forlorn) hope of improving their ear carriage. It’s an illustration of a wider point that when dogs were bred for work appearance wasn’t usually a prime consideration but dog show people tend to think that appearance indicates workability.
 
sphexx said:
’m doubtful about this explanation for ear cropping, I’ve had a lot of dogs and they’ve never injured each other in what looks, to humans, like very violent play. Fighting is a different matter but you would have to remove almost all off the pinna to avoid that.
Ear cropping is usually (not in UK) done to guarding breeds (Dobermans etc) if their ears tend to droop to make them look more alert/fierce. Puppy‘s ears aren’t a very good guide to the eventual adult ears -- there’s a saying among dog breeders that a puppy will “grow into his ears” that illustrates that.
In breeds that must have pricked ears some show people resort to putting tape on young dogs’ ears in a (probably forlorn) hope of improving their ear carriage. It’s an illustration of a wider point that when dogs were bred for work appearance wasn’t usually a prime consideration but dog show people tend to think that appearance indicates workability.
Click to expand...
Hello sphexx!

Thanks for your explanation. Maybe this fashion is promoted by veterinarians who want to make money on surgeries.

I suppose, the same thing with boy's circumcision. In some countries it is done in most cases. But in other countries people are living happy life without being circumcisionized.
 
Pomo said:
Hello sphexx!

Thanks for your explanation. Maybe this fashion is promoted by veterinarians who want to make money on surgeries.

I suppose, the same thing with boy's circumcision. In some countries it is done in most cases. But in other countries people are living happy life without being circumcisionized.
Click to expand...
Indeed! I should have said the photos of the girl are great but those of the dogs are an illustration of why you need another person (usually the owner) or extra props/shills to get the dogs’ attention. In these you can see the dogs are mostly wanting to be somewhere else ;).
 
swanseamale47 said:
A friend runs a dog rescue they get dogs in all the time with ears and docked tails
Click to expand...

I wish I'd had mine docked ( & yes, I could have done it legally). Its a constant battle against split tail & infection.To the point the vet and I are now discussing amputation, its not just about fashion. I agree about ear cutting though
 
boyfalldown said:
I wish I'd had mine docked ( & yes, I could have done it legally). Its a constant battle against split tail & infection.To the point the vet and I are now discussing amputation, its not just about fashion. I agree about ear cutting though
Click to expand...
Tail docking is quite different and there are good reasons to do it in many cases. One problem (which could apply to your dog) is that in breeds that have always been docked there was obviously no selection for healthy tail ends so it‘s possible that ’weak’ tails ends were bred in only to reappear when docking was banned.
It’s odd there have been campaigns against ear cropping and tail docking but no one cares about removal of so-called front ‘dew claws’ aka thumbs, which are commonly removed from puppies with scissors though there can be no justification for it in show dogs (and very little in others) and in fact is never mentioned in breed standards. When HMG asked for submissions on the proposed docking ban, I wrote to them about this but of course it was ignored.

(Apologies to the OP for getting completely OT!)
 
sphexx said:
Tail docking is quite different and there are good reasons to do it in many cases. One problem (which could apply to your dog) is that in breeds that have always been docked there was obviously no selection for healthy tail ends so it‘s possible that ’weak’ tails ends were bred in only to reappear when docking was banned.
It’s odd there have been campaigns against ear cropping and tail docking but no one cares about removal of so-called front ‘dew claws’ aka thumbs, which are commonly removed from puppies with scissors though there can be no justification for it in show dogs (and very little in others) and in fact is never mentioned in breed standards. When HMG asked for submissions on the proposed docking ban, I wrote to them about this but of course it was ignored.

(Apologies to the OP for getting completely OT!)
Click to expand...

I agree re docking. One of mine has had dew claws removed. The other is forever tearing them which is distressing and uncomfortable. But it does depend on the breed & why you wish to remove I guess. Apologies also to the op
 
boyfalldown said:
I wish I'd had mine docked ( & yes, I could have done it legally). Its a constant battle against split tail & infection.To the point the vet and I are now discussing amputation, its not just about fashion. I agree about ear cutting though
Click to expand...
A lot of vets will still do the tails because of the infection problems. I believe they are still allowed if theres a health risk (I'm no expert).
As you say I would never do it for fashion reasons (have you seen how I dress? ;)) but the health of our furry family member is a different matter.
 
swanseamale47 said:
A lot of vets will still do the tails because of the infection problems. I believe they are still allowed if theres a health risk (I'm no expert).
As you say I would never do it for fashion reasons (have you seen how I dress? ;)) but the health of our furry family member is a different matter.
Click to expand...


For tails a dog has to be a gun dog breed and you have to be able to show intent to work, normally a shotgun cert. after docking not every dog shows aptitude for working and the law allows this. You can’t show a docked dog
 
sphexx said:
Tail docking is quite different and there are good reasons to do it in many cases.
Click to expand...
boyfalldown said:
I agree re docking. One of mine has had dew claws removed.
Click to expand...
I totally agree with tail docking on working, working breeds too.
I wish the breeder had taken the dew claws off my GSP too, she was a total nightmare, no "respect" for deep cover including brambles, thankfully the short one one coat helped find the thorns.
But it didn't help with ripped Dew Claws. :(
 
Cobra said:
I totally agree with tail docking on working, working breeds too.
I wish the breeder had taken the dew claws off my GSP too, she was a total nightmare, no "respect" for deep cover including brambles, thankfully the short one one coat helped find the thorns.
But it didn't help with ripped Dew Claws. :(
Click to expand...
There is case for front ‘dew’ claws being removed in some working dogs -- beagles for instance which have relatively straight pastern, I’ve no experience of GSP or spaniels etc so can’t argue with that :). However the problem with arguing for removal (tails or whatever) from cases where dogs injure the part is that part of the argument is always that the offending part is ’useless’— like the appendix in humans in earlier days where people never got appendicitis if it was removed preventatively, as it often was. ’Dew’ claws are functional in some dogs, they contact in ground when running (sighthounds etc), grip when climbing (terriers), used in grooming the face (Basenjis, personal observation).
You will have noticed that I object to the word ‘dew’ applied to ‘thumbs’ which implies they are somehow temporary or occasional like the hind dew claws that sometimes appear in some breeds and are not functional.
 
sphexx said:
However the problem with arguing for removal (tails or whatever) from cases where dogs injure the part is that part of the argument is always that the offending part is ’useless’
Click to expand...
The problem with the true working breeds ( HPR's) that I have come across, is the tail is very thin and very easily damaged when "Working"
I've no idea why this should be though, its seems odd.

Something like a "Whip" can't really be used as a counter balance. in an HPR. and mine was docked with no issues to her.
Although of course the GSD's have a "proper tail" and would look damned stupid without it.
And of course the working labs would also look silly without a tail, but like the GSD its "quite stout"
sphexx said:
grip when climbing (terriers),
Click to expand...
Accepted as truth, although my GSP did attempt to climb the odd tree in pursuit of a squirrel or two, she never made it far though. :D

sphexx said:
’Dew’ claws are functional in some dogs, they contact in ground when running (sighthounds etc),
Click to expand...
Indeed the dew claws on my Saluki x greyhound were quite "stout" but the ones on my GSP were quite flimsy.
And of course the S X G tail was quite thin, but he did seem to use it as a counter balance when turning.

I think we are saying the same thing TBH, there is cause to remove some and not others.
Can you imagine a Saluki without a tail? :LOL:
 
Cobra said:
The problem with the true working breeds ( HPR's) that I have come across, is the tail is very thin and very easily damaged when "Working"
I've no idea why this should be though, its seems odd.

Something like a "Whip" can't really be used as a counter balance. in an HPR. and mine was docked with no issues to her.
Although of course the GSD's have a "proper tail" and would look damned stupid without it.
And of course the working labs would also look silly without a tail, but like the GSD its "quite stout"

Accepted as truth, although my GSP did attempt to climb the odd tree in pursuit of a squirrel or two, she never made it far though. :D


Indeed the dew claws on my Saluki x greyhound were quite "stout" but the ones on my GSP were quite flimsy.
And of course the S X G tail was quite thin, but he did seem to use it as a counter balance when turning.

I think we are saying the same thing TBH, there is cause to remove some and not others.
Can you imagine a Saluki without a tail? :LOL:
Click to expand...
We are saying the same thing and I’m hypothesising that GSP have unnaturally thin tails because they were never bred to have normal tails because who knew what their tails would become if they were all cut off!
My previous Fell Terrier used to get about 15 feet up leaning hawthorn trees after cats, fall about 20 feet (they grow in an old railway cutting) and be back up again until I could catch him up, never hurt himself, or the cat of course :).

Edit: bred not bread!
 
Last edited:
sphexx said:
My previous Fell Terrier used to get about 15 feet up leaning hawthorn trees after cats, fall about 20 feet (they grow in an old railway cutting) and be back up again until I could catch him up, .
Click to expand...
Persistent little bugger :LOL:
 
sphexx said:
I’m hypothesising that GSP have unnaturally thin tails because they were never bread to have normal tails because who knew what their tails would become if they were all cut off!
Click to expand...


I think there's alot of truth in that for HPR breeds. The only counter argument I can suggest is a lot of GSPs and GWPs have a white tip at the tail which is bred for so the tail isn't completely ignored in breeding
 
Pomo said:
Hello derekG!

To be honest, I don't know much about dog's breeding. While this girl is studying as a dog handler. Maybe ears' cut is prerequisite for this breed.
Click to expand...
Ear trimming is never acceptable, and is never a prerequisite for anything. It's abhorrent, regardless of nation.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top