Beginner Ikea Ribba Frames (metric / odd mount sizes)

[Ian W]

As a complete novice to printing my images, I'm looking for a bit of assistance.

I have purchased some Ikea 'Ribba' frames in varying sizes and have noted what I think is a bit of an oddity in terms of sizes. One example is a frame size of 30x40cm (i.e. 11 3/4in x 15 3/4in). If I were to use the mount provided (I'm aware some say that this is not what it's called), this reduces the visible size of any print to 21x30cm (or 8 1/4in x 11 3/4in).

Question is, what the hell kinda print out am I looking to order to fill these sizes?

ps

Also struggling with resizing in Lightroom, but that's another thread entirely

 

[posiview]

I had the very same problem. Could not find a printing service that would print in the size to fit the frames. IIRC I had to crop.

Bit annoying but I didn't lose too much of the photographs.

Cheers.

 

[Ian W]

I had the very same problem. Could not find a printing service that would print in the size to fit the frames. IIRC I had to crop.

Bit annoying but I didn't lose too much of the photographs.

Thanks for that, Andy.

If ordering prints to frame along with the mount instead of filling the entire frame, how much larger do you generally order prints in order to avoid any spaces at the edges?

I realise this is a silly question, but I guess it'll need to be a minimum amount in order I don't lose detail I want to remain visible.

Cheers

 

[Alastair]

I sized the image to suit the aperture and printed on over-sized paper with an all-around margin. It makes it easier to align and secure the image to the mount and any online printer can produce it.

It's not rocket science, but it does involve a wee bit of maths.

 

[Ian W]

I sized the image to suit the aperture and printed on over-sized paper with an all-around margin. It makes it easier to align and secure the image to the mount and any online printer can produce it.

It's not rocket science, but it does involve a wee bit of maths.

Not a bad idea that. I guess you added the border / margin in PS? Or did you just ask the printer to add in?

 

[rob-nikon]

Why not speak to a printer like Point101 who it seems offer a printing service to the mm. Looks like you could arrange a print to the exact size you want. They can add the white border too.

Quote from their website.

Choose from a range of eight beautiful fine art papers, and print full frame, or with a border in any colour, we’re able to offer bespoke sizes to the mm.

http://www.point101.com/giclee_printing/

 

[Alastair]

Not a bad idea that. I guess you added the border / margin in PS? Or did you just ask the printer to add in?

I do it in Lightroom, export to a jpg/tiff with the margin. I generally do the maths and work out everything in pixels, but you could do it in the Print module and save to jpg/tiff from there.

For aperture 8.25" x 11.75" you could crop to 85x120 aspect ratio and print at 300dpi to 8.5" x 12" on A3 paper..

 

[Ian W]

You sir, are a star. Many thanks for that

 

[Box Brownie]

FWIW

I used Ribba and had bevel mounts cut to suit my printed images and the lab I used had an online function that I could select the border area to surround my printed area. The mount supplier automatically cuts 3mm smaller than the size selected to ensure that no white shows!

 

[Ian W]

FWIW

I used Ribba and had bevel mounts cut to suit my printed images and the lab I used had an online function that I could select the border area to surround my printed area. The mount supplier automatically cuts 3mm smaller than the size selected to ensure that no white shows!

I visited Loxley today and sure enough they can print the border around the photos for me.

What did you mean when you said bevel mounts though? (Sorry, you just about lost me there). D'you mean you had mounts created for the photo to be placed onto before framing?

 

[Box Brownie]

Sorry, should have been clearer. The aperture mounts supplied with the Ribba frames for the very reason you talk about just scrap to me.

I had various prints made but one example is 12x8 print I had mounts cut with that size window (note as mentioned above they are cut 3mm smaller) and outer size cut to 40x30cm to fit the frame.

My prints were Giclee and I also fully mounted with a backboard of the same pH neutral board.

 

[Ian W]

That makes much more sense now! I'll have a think and see what I can come up with.

Our of interest, how much were you for the mounts?

 

[Box Brownie]

I will dig out the invoices tomorrow but I did buy in bulk and Picture Lizard have lower unit costs based on bulk purchases.

Their quality of product and service is very good.

PS I ran out of one size of mount and for an urgent sale got a mount made locally, the quality was not the same and cost higher at £6.50 for window mount and backboard.

 

[testbloke]

I visited Loxley today and sure enough they can print the border around the photos for me.

What did you mean when you said bevel mounts though? (Sorry, you just about lost me there). D'you mean you had mounts created for the photo to be placed onto before framing?

Should have given mea shout [emoji106]
If you order a print and mount from Loxley you can get the mount aperture cut to any size you need. We normally mount the print to a substrate for framing, not to the mount itself.
We can do all this for you, just ask for a price for a framed print without the frame!

 

[Alastair]

I visited Loxley today and sure enough they can print the border around the photos for me.

Any printer will if you add the white space yourself.

 

[Ian W]

Should have given mea shout [emoji106]
If you order a print and mount from Loxley you can get the mount aperture cut to any size you need. We normally mount the print to a substrate for framing, not to the mount itself.
We can do all this for you, just ask for a price for a framed print without the frame!

Some it'd come mounted on the substrate and a mount to fit my frame size?

Any printer will if you add the white space yourself.

Indeed. It's just getting the right output size in the first place. If I'm cropping to a particular size, do I simply change the ratio using the LR crop tool and then when exporting select the required size in pixels / inches as required?

 

[Alastair]

Some it'd come mounted on the substrate and a mount to fit my frame size?

Indeed. It's just getting the right output size in the first place. If I'm cropping to a particular size, do I simply change the ratio using the LR crop tool and then when exporting select the required size in pixels / inches as required?

The easy way is the Print module as I pictured above,

• Determine the target image dimensions for the mount aperture, to be a little larger than the mount aperture
• Set the desired aspect ratio with the Crop tool in the Develop module
• Bring the image into the Print module
• Set a page size larger than the aperture of the mount
• Set the Cell size to the dimensions you've determined are appropriate for the aperture
• Print to file

Give it a try and see how you go.

 

[testbloke]

Some it'd come mounted on the substrate and a mount to fit my frame size?

Indeed. It's just getting the right output size in the first place. If I'm cropping to a particular size, do I simply change the ratio using the LR crop tool and then when exporting select the required size in pixels / inches as required?

Yes, the mounted print and mount would be sized correctly for your frame

 

[testbloke]

The easy way is the Print module as I pictured above,

• Determine the target image dimensions for the mount aperture, to be a little larger than the mount aperture
• Set the desired aspect ratio with the Crop tool in the Develop module
• Bring the image into the Print module
• Set a page size larger than the aperture of the mount
• Set the Cell size to the dimensions you've determined are appropriate for the aperture
• Print to file

Give it a try and see how you go.

I have done this many times and have a few on my wall done like this but on larger prints where I stuck the print directly to the mount the print is now creased and wrinkled as the print and the mount material expand and contract different amounts over time. If you can print big enough you can follow above but set page size to the full internal size of the frame. Then you dont have to stick it to the mount.

 

[Alastair]

I have done this many times and have a few on my wall done like this but on larger prints where I stuck the print directly to the mount the print is now creased and wrinkled as the print and the mount material expand and contract different amounts over time. If you can print big enough you can follow above but set page size to the full internal size of the frame. Then you dont have to stick it to the mount.

I tend to only loosely tack with tape, only a couple of small pieces until the pressure of the frame holding the glass against the back takes over.

I also view framed prints of my own photos as "disposable", archive prints are held flat and out of the light.

 

[Box Brownie]

I have done this many times and have a few on my wall done like this but on larger prints where I stuck the print directly to the mount the print is now creased and wrinkled as the print and the mount material expand and contract different amounts over time. If you can print big enough you can follow above but set page size to the full internal size of the frame. Then you dont have to stick it to the mount.

I tend to only loosely tack with tape, only a couple of small pieces until the pressure of the frame holding the glass against the back takes over.

I also view framed prints of my own photos as "disposable", archive prints are held flat and out of the light.

T-hinge attaching of prints is the way I have used and is the 'recommended' method IMO

 

[Ian W]

The easy way is the Print module as I pictured above,

• Determine the target image dimensions for the mount aperture, to be a little larger than the mount aperture
• Set the desired aspect ratio with the Crop tool in the Develop module
• Bring the image into the Print module
• Set a page size larger than the aperture of the mount
• Set the Cell size to the dimensions you've determined are appropriate for the aperture
• Print to file

Give it a try and see how you go.

I had a go at doing just this when ordering some test prints from Loxley (thanks @testbloke) which as luck would have it showed my crappy laptop monitor to return pretty much the same result as their colour corrected versions.

I've about 20x frames of various sizes to fill so will definitely be ordering more, but as my test prints fitted a few it would have been rude not to throw them in [emoji39]



Thanks, @Alastair. Looking forward to filling some larger frames now!

 

[PPPPP]

I have done this many times and have a few on my wall done like this but on larger prints where I stuck the print directly to the mount the print is now creased and wrinkled as the print and the mount material expand and contract different amounts over time. If you can print big enough you can follow above but set page size to the full internal size of the frame. Then you dont have to stick it to the mount.

See here:
http://www.reframingphotography.com/sites/default/files/user/web_137_T_hinge.jpg

You are better using special hinging tape(stronger and acid free). Art shops may sell it, but often it is easier to source online as it is quite specialist.