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What about the many millions of car users who have no off road parking? Where are cash strapped local councils going to find the money for secure charging points along every residential street?
Stop at a fuel station and swap the battery...What about the many millions of car users who have no off road parking? Where are cash strapped local councils going to find the money for secure charging points along every residential street?
Good idea. Which cars have that feature?Stop at a fuel station and swap the battery...
None yet, but if the article is true, the new batteries can be made a lot smaller, and can be swapped at battery stations.Good idea. Which cars have that feature?
So the question becomes: do we believe the article?None yet, but if the article is true, the new batteries can be made a lot smaller, and can be swapped at battery stations.
Here we or more accurately you go again, we've done this to death, lets not go there again. The range is not sufficient in very many cases as has ben stated a million times, it might work for you but not everyone and having to stop etc is a backwards step. Embrace the future young man, newer better designed batteries mean you dont have to stop and you might only recharge your car 3 maybe 4 times year, how can that be such a bad thing.EV battery range is more than adequate in today's EV's. People need to stop irrationally overestimate their needs and look at how they actually use their cars, how long do you actually drive in one leg of your journey. Now, it's only the charging infrastructure need to catch up.
I'll believe any mass media news of new technology or breakthroughs when I see it physically in cars we can buy. (I would also accept new car announcement with specs)Embrace the future young man, newer better designed batteries mean you dont have to stop and you might only recharge your car 3 maybe 4 times year, how can that be such a bad thing.
I don't think car manufacturers or energy company agree with your personal opinion there. Just ask BP, Shell, VW, BMW etc.The EV infrastructure wont need a massive upgrade,
Cherry picking out of context, you know full well I meant if the new batteries need less charging and have a greater density.I don't think car manufacturers or energy company agree with your personal opinion there. Just ask BP, Shell, VW, BMW etc.
Sorry, It didn't look like it. It was a new paragraph with "EV infrastructure" as main subject. To me, that sounds like you are talking about existing EV infrastructure, which was also the subject of my post you've quoted.Cherry picking out of context, you know full well I meant if the new batteries need less charging and have a greater density.
Apology accepted, as things stand infrastructure is inadequate but is this new battery a game changer?Sorry, It didn't look like it. It was a new paragraph with "EV infrastructure" as main subject. To me, that sounds like you are talking about existing EV infrastructure, which was also the subject of my post you've quoted.
If it were indeed linked with your first paragraph, I would question how you can recharge a quarter of your annual transport energy with existing EV infrastructure in a timely manner without massive upgrades.
Either way, sounds like we agree that current EV infrastructure is inadequate.
We just don't agree what is adequate range of the car.
I refer my honourable friend to the old proverb that if something looks too good to be true: it probably isn't true.Read the article, the guy is suggesting the battery will do 1500 miles between charges, easily swappable in 90 seconds and costs £3,500 as opposed to a similar battery cost £30,000
I wont be rushing to invest my life's savings in it.I refer my honourable friend to the old proverb that if something looks too good to be true: it probably isn't true.
Trouble is our needs can change, at present I do a 110-120 miles per day without the possibility/desire to do a charge up (I commute 55 miles each way) so I'd need 200 mile range as a minimum in case I needed to use my car after I got home straight away. Next year when I retire I may not need anything like 200 miles range but I wouldn't want to buy a car with a certain need of range say 120 miles then find I need a car with 250 mile range 3 months down the line, as swapping it out would be expensive (depreciation etc) so I'd buy a car based on what I thought I'd need to cover most eventualities. Replaceable battery packs with greater or lesser range would be ideal of course, but I think you are right, most people would want 300 miles.If the 1500 mile claim of this battery gets close to fruition, that’s over 24 hours straight at an average speed of 60mph - an easy week or two of charge for most.
I think 600 miles range is the holy grail for EVs and that is not far away. A decently priced 350 mile range car would do me and most others I’d imagine.
Yes I agree most of our trips are less than 200 miles but we do a few longer trips a year to visit family and for my photography so any car we have will need to be able to do 300 miles or soTrouble is our needs can change, at present I do a 110-120 miles per day without the possibility/desire to do a charge up (I commute 55 miles each way) so I'd need 200 mile range as a minimum in case I needed to use my car after I got home straight away. Next year when I retire I may not need anything like 200 miles range but I wouldn't want to buy a car with a certain need of range say 120 miles then find I need a car with 250 mile range 3 months down the line, as swapping it out would be expensive (depreciation etc) so I'd buy a car based on what I thought I'd need to cover most eventualities. Replaceable battery packs with greater or lesser range would be ideal of course, but I think you are right, most people would want 300 miles.
That's so the rest of us know why the car in front is doing 55/60 on a motorway, bit like P platesIn related news, government are considering special number plate for EV's.
On Radio 4 this morning they were talking about a combined £700 billion being required to make electric car use practical for the majority of British citizens. This included the provision of 24 million on-street charging points plus all the other changes required to replace internal combustion vehicles.
{EDIT} The BBC web page has changed the figure to £300 billion so that's a relief (or not) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland
Trouble is our needs can change, at present I do a 110-120 miles per day without the possibility/desire to do a charge up (I commute 55 miles each way) so I'd need 200 mile range as a minimum in case I needed to use my car after I got home straight away. Next year when I retire I may not need anything like 200 miles range but I wouldn't want to buy a car with a certain need of range say 120 miles then find I need a car with 250 mile range 3 months down the line, as swapping it out would be expensive (depreciation etc) so I'd buy a car based on what I thought I'd need to cover most eventualities. Replaceable battery packs with greater or lesser range would be ideal of course, but I think you are right, most people would want 300 miles.
Agreed re charger if there were enough for everyone who uses an EV. I work on a business park at present with in excess of 300 cars parked daily, I cant see it happening. Bigger gaps between charges would also solve the issue. Sorry that sounds like I want to have the last word.But if there was a charger at your place of work you wouldn't need that range. So better infrastructure would in fact solve the issue for you.
But yes, 300+ miles would be ideal for most. And not costing £40K, which is the bigger barrier.
Agreed re charger if there were enough for everyone who uses an EV. I work on a business park at present with in excess of 300 cars parked daily, I cant see it happening. Bigger gaps between charges would also solve the issue. Sorry that sounds like I want to have the last word.
Good idea. Which cars have that feature?
So the question becomes: do we believe the article?
some history , not particularly encouraging
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/aluminum-air-batteries/
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06710883/filing-history
According to some, if you purchased an EV now the battery pack would represent probably 50% of the cost of the car, so assuming you bought your car today and it needed a battery swap in 2 days time you might be swapping out for a 5/6 yr old battery worth possibly a lot less than 50% and not having the same capacity, that is apart from the fact you cant do it of course as that isnt how car manufacturers have decided to design their vehicles. Odd really because the same people claim the battery will last 10 years, a case of having their cake and eating it I think.As I mentioned in another thread on his subject... There was a piece on the BBC news channel a while back about electric cars in India and apparently they have this swappable battery feature and showed it in action, the car pulls in and the battery is swapped and the car drives off, just like a petrol station. I don't know how widespread this is but it seems so sensible a solution that it's hard to understand why it isn't being pushed.
According to some, if you purchased an EV now the battery pack would represent probably 50% of the cost of the car, so assuming you bought your car today and it needed a battery swap in 2 days time you might be swapping out for a 5/6 yr old battery worth possibly a lot less than 50% and not having the same capacity, that is apart from the fact you cant do it of course as that isnt how car manufacturers have decided to design their vehicles. Odd really because the same people claim the battery will last 10 years, a case of having their cake and eating it I think.
Claim battery will outlast the car.According to some, if you purchased an EV now the battery pack would represent probably 50% of the cost of the car, so assuming you bought your car today and it needed a battery swap in 2 days time you might be swapping out for a 5/6 yr old battery worth possibly a lot less than 50% and not having the same capacity, that is apart from the fact you cant do it of course as that isnt how car manufacturers have decided to design their vehicles. Odd really because the same people claim the battery will last 10 years, a case of having their cake and eating it I think.
This idea has been trialled by Tesla initially, and Chinese EV startup Nio are building these stations for their huge SUV.The sliding in and out of a battery pack does seem a good idea to me
Yes I agree most of our trips are less than 200 miles but we do a few longer trips a year to visit family and for my photography so any car we have will need to be able to do 300 miles or so
I’m not convinced as well about the environmental benefits long and short term of electric vehicles I believe that small economic petrol cars are the way ahead
Older desiels are pretty bad for people’s health though I’ve followed some that belch out black smoke I don’t understand why they are still allowed on the road
Audi may be 'assembling' EVs onsite but I would be surprised if every component they use is manufactured onsite. Most car manufacturers rely upon 'Just in Time' deliveries of parts made by a multitude of suppliers which are shipped in from all over the place by lorry or even by ferry/container ship.Do You have any research or stats to back up this belief. I hope I don’t seem rude, but beliefs, feelings and guesses aren’t helpful here.
EVs do have an environmental impact but all reports would suggest it’s nothing like an ICE car (either diesel or petrol). Electricity production can be immediately renewable, oil production cannot. EV cars can potentially be carbon neutral and emission free over a lifetime, petrol cars cannot. Take Audi, for example, it’s evs are built on site (including battery) In a building with 95% of electricity coming from solar panels and other renewable sources. It then runs emission free for its lifetime before being recycled. ICE cannot compare to that.
There’s also the issue of localised pollution from ICE cars. This is a significant factor in people’s health, especially in cities. Diesel and petrol cars will likely never overcome that.
Audi may be 'assembling' EVs onsite but I would be surprised if every component they use is manufactured onsite. Most car manufacturers rely upon 'Just in Time' deliveries of parts made by a multitude of suppliers which are shipped in from all over the place by lorry or even by ferry/container ship.
Neither is the fuel used for internal combustion engines. There was an academic on the radio the other day claiming that converting current vehicles and infrastructure to Hydrogen would cost a fraction of the projected cost of electrification and protect the current high employment rate of the vehicle industry.The good thing is that, unlike oil, the minerals used aren’t set in stone.
A lot of engine oils are now fully synthetic. Fuel systems may well need upgrading, but ICE vehicles don't necessarily have to run on petrol or diesel.The good thing is that, unlike oil, the minerals used aren’t set in stone. Cobalt and lithium are used in today’s tech but not necessarily what they’ll use in 20 years.