My 10k training. From an unfit 19stone, to a 10k run in 8 months.....

Just chiming in with support mate, loving the exercise regime, you can't fail with your attitude I feel. :clap:

Nothing much to add and JMO...make the walk a forced march, use your stomach and stride out fully. ...the heart prefers a sprint to a jog ... If your going to stop for a bit, do the nose breathing, don't sit down but shake out the muscles a little. when your finished, supplement your system with a dark fruit super smoothie thingy, your body will love you for it..
 
I just went to the gym and got a new program - have included some running - Eeeek so might have to buy some of these posh running shoes you guys talk about - i always lead with my toe and then step on my heel which is wrong isnt it
 
feeb, thats called walking backwards :thinking:
 
However you do it Marcel you get a big thumbs up from me, it keeps you fit and gives your charity some much needed cash.........admiration(y)
 
I would take my hat off to you, assuming I wore one.A very brave man and I admire you for taking the trouble to show us your self and what you hope to achieve. Looking forward to seeing how you get on.
C
 
Thanksf for the kind words everyone.
Went out for Run #4 tonight.

Im still a little unsure about these new shoes. Everyone else who has taken up running this week seem to say their new gait-analysed shoes feel like running on pillows.
Mine dont feel like that. Quite firm if anything. Not like new trainers do at all.

Im wondering if that's right or not. Is it just because of the extra firmness because I overpronate?
 
Thanksf for the kind words everyone.
Went out for Run #4 tonight.

Im still a little unsure about these new shoes. Everyone else who has taken up running this week seem to say their new gait-analysed shoes feel like running on pillows.
Mine dont feel like that. Quite firm if anything. Not like new trainers do at all.

Im wondering if that's right or not. Is it just because of the extra firmness because I overpronate?

Yeah, if your feet roll in by alot, the hard the shoe will need to be to compensate. Also the heavier you are again the harder the shoe will have to work.

Cant say i have ever felt like i was running on pillows though myself. The more you run the lighter you will become on your feet, on the treadmill up the gym you can not hear any impact from most experianced runners, these comes from improved form. Stick with them a little longer and if you not happy in say another weeks time, id go back to the shop and talk to them, and see if they will recheck most will do that for free. (Atleast if there a decent firm they will want you next custom.)
 
Thanks russ. I asked the same question over at runnersworld and they said pretty much the same thing....to not worry about it.

The main thing is how my feet and legs feel during and after a run, and although its not entirely pain free (Im assuming its DOMS from the workout I'm giving the muscles), its better than it was after that first night in my old trainers :)
 
Pain is a funny thing some-ones major pain is somebody else pleasure in knowing they have had a good work out. Mild burning in the active muscles while training is completely normal, and you should feel everytime you try pushing harder or longer. What you will notice is that the burning takes longer to set in as you get fitter.

I am pretty much slightly sore each and every morning when i first get out of bed, until i have a light strecth, when i am in the building phase. You will most likely feel slightly sore until towards the end of your first recovery week. What you should notice though is the training gets easier, in that you feel better while doing it, or simply just go faster, or run for longer.

If you begin getting up an able to walk for more then a couple of days then thats a sign you have gone to hard and to back off.
 
Just done tonight's run

6 x (60 sec run, 1 min walk)

and my shins are quite sore. Towards the end I felt the thud of each foot landing, shudder up my shins. :(
 
I went to the gym and did my weight programme, was absolutely horrid by the end of it, shaking and alsorts :( Then i came home and threw up violently - anyone think why that might be?

Am a bit nervous about going in and having the same issue happen :(
 
Just done tonight's run

6 x (60 sec run, 1 min walk)

and my shins are quite sore. Towards the end I felt the thud of each foot landing, shudder up my shins. :(

What hurt more the running or walking phase. May sound an odd question.

I went to the gym and did my weight programme, was absolutely horrid by the end of it, shaking and alsorts :( Then i came home and threw up violently - anyone think why that might be?

Am a bit nervous about going in and having the same issue happen :(

What where you actually doing up the gym, i.e was it weights based strength training or aerobics based running etc. Oh and to what intensity?
 
Hmmm I think the walking hurt more. The running did have a pain, but the walking afterwards was more sore IMO.
 
Hmmm I think the walking hurt more. The running did have a pain, but the walking afterwards was more sore IMO.

Just what i expected tbh, not much to worry about at this stage, just try walking slower next time once the discomfort sets in.

If it turns to shooting pains up the shins on impact whilst running then stop running. Oh and then best to see a physio for advice.
 
Thanks.

I went out tonight, legs felt like DOMS after a workout, so warmed up and stretched a bit and it had pretty much gone away.

Started tonights plan....

Run 90 seconds, walk 60
Repeat 5 times.
By the second repetition, my breathing was quite heavy and I had to push myself.
By the time I was doing the 4th repetition, the end of the run section, my calf muscles and shin muscles (roughly the same height) were hurting and I was praying for the end of the 90 seconds lol
I did continue on though, and didn't feel any jolts with each thud/landing of the feet.

When I did the last 90 seconds running, I was actually running quite slowly...short paces but running (well, by running I mean a gentle jog like always).
When I stopped to walk to cool down...my legs and lower back were sore..The cool down walking helped over the next 5 minutes or so. Then 5-10 minutes of gentle stretching and walking around.

Came inside and my legs were sore, particularly the outside front of each shin, so I put a couple of bags of frozen peas on them :p
http://twitpic.com/o65wf
Left them on there for 15 minutes and it made the world of difference.

My legs just feel a little stiff (like after a hard workout) only when I walk now.

I'm assuming this is normal :p

I'm going back to Foot Traffic tomorrow, see what he says. It could be the plan that's trying to push me too quick.
 
Does sound pretty normal tbh, but given your circumstances, id be tempted to say not to up your mileage this week.

The funny thing with running it kinda suddenly fulls into place, i find the first 5 mins to be harder then the next 45-1hr mark. Always worth having a another visit to the shop just to check your shoes etc.
 
Well I didn't go back to the shop, instead I decided to just rest for the remainder of the week.

I played some squash this afternoon in my old trainers for 40 minutes. Knackered and sweaty, but not an ounce of pain.

Put my new shoes on tonight (and rubbed loads of ibuprofen cream into my shins) and went for a run. Walked for 5 minutes warmup which was OK, then 90 seconds slow...OK
Next was the first running section.......

Well, within 30 seconds of me running, I could feel my legs starting to hurt again...I carried on, but slowed down a bit (to a very slow rhythmic jog).
Did the remainder of the 2 minutes, still sore.
Then walked 90s.
Did another 2 mins run....pain was getting worse.
90s walk.
Next 2 mins run (the third leg), I *just* completed in quite alot of pain.
I actually nearly phoned my wife to come and get me because walking hurt that much. Surprisingly while in pain I realised my fitness wasn't holding me back any more, just the leg pain (breathing, and exercise lethargy that usually makes me knackered and want to stop).
I perservered with the walking and the pain got a bit better and I managed to walk home.
Got in, iced my legs for 5 minutes, which didn't really help.

Eventually the pain subsided though.

My question is this. I understand shin splints. I understand how common in new runners etc.
But to appear within 30 seconds of me running? I *really* don't think that's right, no matter how unfit and inactive I am.

Bear in mind I've been doing Aikido twice a week for nearly a year now. Swimming twice a week for the past 2 months, and I played squash today with no leg pain whatsoever.
Yet within 30 seconds of running in these new shoes.....my legs are sore.

Surely these aren't right for me?

I'm definitely going back to the shop tomorrow to discuss things. The thing is, because I've worn them, and it's been raining all week. Theyve been splashed once or twice (and you can tell), so that rules out returning them as a goodwill gesture.

The thing is, I really think these shoes are wrong for me. And if it turns out Im correct, then I'm going to feel very very cheated. I paid £75 for a pair of shoes that are correct for me, and because there's no way of finding out I've been missold them until I've worn them...I end up out of pocket?

I suppose it depends what he says tomorrow. I know the concensus is that if you get shin splints or leg pain, then youre training too much and to back off.
But how can I back off when the pain comes on so quickly?
I don't think I can do any less!
 
Part of your post there is assuming you have shin splints.

Which might not be the case, it may be a simple case of tendonitous (spelling proberly wrong there) from where your shins are working differently to normal.

You really need to get it checked out by a specialist to be on the safe side. New proper shoes combined with running albeit short duration at them moment is an awfull lot of stress going on in the shins.

This is the reason why i was suprised that your planner gave you the starting platform it did. Personally i would have reconmended a more gentle building platform for atleast 4-6 weeks.

It could be the shoes are wrong so i would be getting that checked, if they where wrong, then most good places will refund for the correct ones.
 
Thanks Russ, I didn't get chance to go to the shop. I didn't go for a run last night, nor am I going tonight..I'm resting them again :(
I'll hopefully have a ride up to the shop tomorrow to discuss what's happening and see what they recommend.
 
Thanks Russ, I didn't get chance to go to the shop. I didn't go for a run last night, nor am I going tonight..I'm resting them again :(
I'll hopefully have a ride up to the shop tomorrow to discuss what's happening and see what they recommend.

What size are the shoes
 
Hiya Marcel. I don't know what to think, on the one hand I think Russ is on the right lines, their is quite a lot of pain involved at the beginning as your body sorts itself out, on the other...

...well, there’s a kind of 'running style' transition when you start running from unfit I think . At first you crash and bang about, your strides not right, your legs complain from places you didn't know existed. Then as the days and weeks pass your style sorts itself out and things settle in, your running gets swifter and the pains go away.

But I know nothing about special shoes, so to assume the people who made yours do... :shrug:

I'd say the pain coming on quickly is normal ish its like your legs are going through a change. ...maybe just ware normal trainer for a run alternately for a while... dunno... keep going gently and get through it... feels good after a while. Honest!

Get the cod liver oil and extra virgin olive oil down too. ...its like motoroil. :D

...in fact spray wd40 on it, lol, and I'm not making this up...I had an old couple the other day who swore they used it all the time...
"...its got fish oil in it don't you know!"
Yes I do
"great for my Knees" she said.
:LOL: Your joking!
"nope quite serious, its great"

... Ill keep it in mind I thought.
 
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LOL Ill try that (the cod liver oil, i hear its good too).
I think there's something wrong that the pain is coming on so quickly now, I feel rested, i feel no aches and pains but I know if I run it'll come on again quickly.
 
If you feel that way you should just go and check it out ...He'll probably tell you to ware normal trainers, lol, no sorry. loads of money.heck.

When I got very fit cycling many years ago, as I was training up harder and harder when my right knees started to get painful, I got very worred! felt like I was doing damage becasue I was already fit by then.
Turned out it was a weaker joint trying to catch up with the muscles increases in power and pressure...the fitness process was slower for the join. So the doc suggested I carry on training but use that legs power slightly less, and give the joint time to catch up. My left knee when through the same process a week or so later....ouch knowing that was coming.
 
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It's very hard to sit here and be 100% of the underlining issues, but without seeing how you run or walk i wouldnt want to advise to much on what it is thats causing the problem. That would be best done by the running shop or a physio/Doctor.

I would really suspect its the change in the way your foot is working is partly the issue as is the fact running is new to you. It maybe worth trying running with you normal shoes as mentioned above, that would point towards the shoe, but if the shop is right and supplied the correct shoes, then ultimately you will adapt to them and be a better runner at the end of it. My first shoes hurt the soles of my feet where i my arch was collapsing. After a few days i really struggled walking but after 3months i was fine and running faster then ever. Oh and some knee pain i had was cured by it.

If your happy its shin splints, then this video is well worth watching, explains what i wanted to say better then i could in words.
http://www.ehow.com/video_5247011_exercises-prevent-shin-splints.html

Id also say if your pronating? cant remember of the top of my head, then getting some arch supports for you normal footware would be good.

Then try running just twice a week running and slow walking intervals and a walk once a week for 2 weeks, total of no more then 45mins (thats run, walk, then rest with atleast a days rest between each one). The try changing the walk for a 30min run, for 2 weeks, then think about going back to your current plan.

You will experiance some discomfort, due to lactic acid and the body not being used to, from muscle weekness, etc these the body gets used to with training, but any thing sharp or shooting is very bad, any thing that really brings you to a stop is bad.
 
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Hi Marcel,

Just noticed this thread and thought I'd see how your training is going. Are you still running and have you managed to sort out what was behind the cause of your leg pain yet?

I have been running since Feb this year and completed my first 10k in June and then my first Half Marathon in October, so I've been through what you're going through at the moment.

You do get quite a bit of pain when you start running (usually your shins), but not in the way you're describing. Your trainers don't sound right to me. Where did you get them from? I wouldn't exactly say it felt like "running on pillows", but you shouldn't feel like you have no cushioning at all. Generally, the sign for me that a trainer has had its day is that you start to get pains/jarring in your leg when you run. Sounds like you're getting that right now. Did you take them back in the end?
 
Hi Kate.

The running has had to take a back seat for this month unfortunately. I started a temporary christmas job a couple of weeks ago, and have just been incredibly incredibly busy since then, and will be up to christmas.
Everything has taken a back seat, the running, aikido, and my OU course. Im even finding it difficult grabbing the time to come on here...haven't even taken the camera out of the bag for a couple of months! lol
Good thing is though, with work, im on my feet all day, and half of it walking......doing around 14-15k steps every day, so that must account for something towards training the legs muscles and getting them used to it :D

Anyway, the pain went away a week or so later, after I had stopped running completely. And I never did get chance to take the trainers back. I did box them up ready but then got caught up with work.
Im hoping to nip back in the morning, I know its a few weeks after but meh, its the best I can do. He may tell me to sod off, he may not.
Maybe I was just doing too much too soon? I was running 4 times a week, with aikido too. Im not sure......

Congrats on your 10k. I saw your FB mention running (y)
And even bigger congrats on the half marathon! Working your way up to a full one perhaps?
 
Getting the time to excercise is a killer. I knew I would struggle so I did not build it into my diet plan.

I have continued to lose weight and now after four and a half months I have lost just under 4 stone. Obviously this weight loss cannot continue otherwise ultimately I would just vanish :D:D

I now move about in a very fast pace. Yesterday I was spinning my 4 year old daughter around and I suddenly realised that after what must have been thirty revolutions I was not even breathing heavily.

stew
 
Sorry to hear you've had to put the running on the back burner for the past few months. I'm sure you'll get yourself sorted into the new year :) Sounds like you're keeping yourself active in your job though, which is fantastic. It's all excercise after all.

I think you might be right with the "too much too soon" comment. 4 times per week is a lot of strain to put on your developing muscles when you're a new runner. I would suggest 3 times per week max to start off with, just until you get used to it. I would also suggest running slower than you feel "comfortable" with. Most new runners also start out FAR too quickly and end up either burning themselves our or injured. Once you have some distance under your belt, then you can work on speed. My priority would definitely be distance until you can run for at least 1/2 hour continuously.

Anyway, if you ever need any advice or just want to chat about it, give me a shout :)

I ran my second half marathon today and beat my personal best by 4 minutes, which I'm absolutely over the moon with. Funny you should also mention a full marathon... I "won" a 2010 London Marathon place with my running club last week so training starts in Jan :) Apart from that, I have a few killer cross countries and some 16-20 mile races planned for the new year just to keep me in check. This is getting serious.. but I love it!! :D
 
Wow...that is some serious progress! I'll definitely be picking your brain for tips :D
Huge good luck wishes for the marathon too......to run 26 miles is no mean feat...!

The walking in work used to be a killer on my feet for the first couple of weeks, but its much easier now, the soles don't hurt as much as they used to, and my legs aren't sore at all, so I reckon slow and steady with the running.

I'm still going to pop back to the shop in the morning and explain that the lack of softly softly cushioning was hurting me, see what he says.
 
I ran my second half marathon today and beat my personal best by 4 minutes, which I'm absolutely over the moon with. Funny you should also mention a full marathon... I "won" a 2010 London Marathon place with my running club last week so training starts in Jan :) Apart from that, I have a few killer cross countries and some 16-20 mile races planned for the new year just to keep me in check. This is getting serious.. but I love it!! :D

That is a fairly major chunk to knock off you couldnt have been pushing hard enough in the first one!!!! :wacky: :)

Such a nice feeling isnt it when all the hard work and pain pay's off, i knocked 30secs of my 1000m (indoor ergo) rowing sprint last week, not much i know but lifts me to 8th in the current World rankings for my weight group, and 14th overall. Just need to polish the indurance fro the final 1000m before the British championship next year.

Good luck with the London Marathon, the training for that can be pretty hard, a good sports massage person can be a major bonus. (y)
 
Hey marcel stumbled across this thread. Hope you get back into it after the festivities. Reading the thread was an inspiration and has made me want to do it!!

Be good to see an update photo :)
 
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