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TBH if the Sony ergonomics suited me I'd have jumped ship ages ago
Apparently they have fixed it now! lol
I'll believe it when I use it
TBH if the Sony ergonomics suited me I'd have jumped ship ages ago
Well the gen 3's are massively better than the previous gens in that the grip actually feels like a grip and not a piece of brick, it's just the lack of space now for meApparently they have fixed it now! lol
I'll believe it when I use it
They do, but I was saying why I've not swapped to SonyThere are cameras that don't have a grip at all and people seem to manage.
If Nikon do continue to pursue the camera market then I think they can match Sony tbh. Their first attempt isn't that far off Sony's Gen 3's, and certainly better than the Gen 1's and 2's, no reason not to think that their gen 2's won't be better than Sony's Gen 3's and maybe Gen 4's.I'm not sure about Nikon matching Sony. I may be wrong but I think the future of photography products probably belongs to the larger electronic companies and I do worry if Nikon can stand the financial pressure as the likes of Sony and maybe Panasonic could view cameras as a loss leader, Nikon can't really.
Very true, but that still doesn't mean that Nikon can't match Sony with the next gen. Sony have been pioneering over the past few years, whereas Canikon don't appear to have brought out anything groundbreaking or original. I don't think we should underestimate how much Olympus and Panasonic have done for the Mirrorless market though, I'm sure Sony have 'stolen' ideas from them tooIt’s obviously going to be better than gen 1-2 Sony as they were release years before and were the first to use said tech.
They only have to copy Sony for the majority of tech and use there sensors, there’s little for them to actually do.
And by this I mean not just Nikon, all mirrorless makers..you fallow the market leader and try and surpass them.
None have brought out anything new that Sony hadn’t already designed or implemented first.
Nikon had an MILC two years before Sony did, and the Z6 and Z7 look very much like a big Nikon V2 to me, rather than a copy of an A7. The Nikon 1 had hybrid AF, 60fps stills, and at the time the only AF considered good enough to work for video.None have brought out anything new that Sony hadn’t already designed or implemented first.
But I still believe Sony have been leading the way far ahead of the pack in the mirrorless game.
That's true if you're purely talking about FF mirrorless, but I don't think it's fair to segregate the market like that, in terms of tech mirrorless work the same regardless of sensor size. Of course larger sensors and high MP require more processing power and maybe more 'fine tuning' of some of the tech, but I'm not convinced it requires anything different in terms of innovation. If you consider it this way then Olympus and Panasonic have been extremely pioneering in this genre. AFAIK Olympus had hybrid AF (or at least on sensor PDAF) before Sony (unless the Nex had it?), hi-res pixel shift before Sony, they still have the inbuilt ND filter and live composite modes that Sony don't have, Panasonic have their depth by defocus or whatever it's called and they are developing their TOF focus system which could be the next 'game changer'.But I still believe Sony have been leading the way far ahead of the pack in the mirrorless game.
Anyway, one question I've been meaning to ask but don't think I have yet...
Is anyone using film era manual lenses?
One thing about these lenses is that if you're happy to mf they're basically a lens for life as they'll last for decades and you can take them with you if you change systems.
It would definitely be a shame, but I'd be very surprised if we see Nikon disappear anytime soon. According to the latest stats I saw they still have more of the camera market than Sony (can't find said article again) and they've just committed to a whole new system. If they had any doubts about the future of their camera department I'm not sure they would invest so much money into designing something new. I hope I'm right anywayOne thing that does worry me about Sony is that all this pushing the boundaries is all well and good for us at the moment but what if at some point in the future someone gets pushed out of the market?
We've seen Samsung bow out and I would be genuinely sorry if someone else (Nikon?) folded or even was just acquired by one of the giants.
It would definitely be a shame, but I'd be very surprised if we see Nikon disappear anytime soon. According to the latest stats I saw they still have more of the camera market than Sony (can't find said article again) and they've just committed to a whole new system. If they had any doubts about the future of their camera department I'm not sure they would invest so much money into designing something new. I hope I'm right anyway
I like using MF lenses, and it was really nice to use them with IBIS/focussing aids on the Panasonic, and I'm looking forward to using them with IBIS on a Z camera, when I get one. Especially as I'm getting older and shakier, and less and less inclined to carry a tripod !
I loved my Minolta and lenses. In their day they were considered the lenses that came closest to getting a "Leica" look. At one time Leica and Minolta collaborated. I've also had a few periods with Canon (film) cameras, most of the time running Canon and Nikon systems together , but at one time Canon was my main 35mm system. But in the end I decided I just preferred the image quality Nikon gave me, and became 100% Nikon (at least in terms of 35mm).I only have three Nikon lenses but have more Minolta Rokkor, Olympus Zuiko and Canon FD's. The build of the Nikons is lovely.
I do believe Nikon are #3 now. https://petapixel.com/2019/05/28/sony-overtakes-nikon-for-the-2-spot-behind-canon/
Despite being heavily invested in F mount, I am loathe to stick with Nikon as the Sony system is far more fleshed out and getting better all the time. The mk4 announcement doesn’t help either when the mk3 is already better than Nikon’s offerings.
They're definitely not in the best financial health, the camera dept has been losing a lot of money according to their financial reports. However, I'm not sure that the camera dept is Nikon's big money maker anyway, and think as a parent company they are fine, plus they have put provisions in place to try and improve the profitability of the camera department.I know Nikon are number 2 in the market or there abouts but if we believe Thom Hogan and others they're possibly not in the best of financial health.
Companies either ceasing trading or withdrawing from the market is one thing that I do worry about as the market is contracting, there's fierce competition and I don't suppose that anyone is making a killing from cameras there days.
Depends on what you read, this suggests that Nikon are quite a bit ahead of Sony still, at least in Japanese sales which is where it matters for these companies I believeI do believe Nikon are #3 now. https://petapixel.com/2019/05/28/sony-overtakes-nikon-for-the-2-spot-behind-canon/
Despite being heavily invested in F mount, I am loathe to stick with Nikon as the Sony system is far more fleshed out and getting better all the time. The mk4 announcement doesn’t help either when the mk3 is already better than Nikon’s offerings.
I loved my Minolta and lenses. In their day they were considered the lenses that came closest to getting a "Leica" look. At one time Leica and Minolta collaborated. I've also had a few periods with Canon (film) cameras, most of the time running Canon and Nikon systems together , but at one time Canon was my main 35mm system. But in the end I decided I just preferred the image quality Nikon gave me, and became 100% Nikon (at least in terms of 35mm).
I'm not sure I have ever even touched an Olympus camera, actually that's no true, I have used a TG4, but not sure that counts in terms of this discussion on MF lenses.
Needless to say the Milvus has a lovely build quality
I do believe Nikon are #3 now. https://petapixel.com/2019/05/28/sony-overtakes-nikon-for-the-2-spot-behind-canon/
Despite being heavily invested in F mount, I am loathe to stick with Nikon as the Sony system is far more fleshed out and getting better all the time. The mk4 announcement doesn’t help either when the mk3 is already better than Nikon’s offerings.
of those I have the Rokkors are usually the best if there's any splitting them as stopped down there's often maybe nothing in it.
I use Novoflex adapters which cost from £90 or so and up for my Minolta, Olympus and Canon lenses on my A7 but I have to be honest and say that I see no advantage in them and the cheap ones I've bought from evil bay for £10-20 work just as well for my Nikon lenses on my Sony camera and for my Minolta, Olympus and Canon lenses on my Panasonic MFT cameras.
Hey, I’m on my way to Farne Islands hopefully this Friday to take puffin pics (as if the world needs any more!), with the z and 200-500mm.
I’ve never really tried any bird pics before - what would you say is the best focus mode for a flying bird‽
Those are good.Not sure birds in flight is quite within my capabilities but got a few with the Z7 in the hour on Staple Island:
Puffins - Staple Island by amanda benson, on Flickr
Puffins - Staple Island by amanda benson, on Flickr
Puffins - Staple Island by amanda benson, on Flickr
Great pics. Just had a look at your photo stream, looks like you've met (or at least photographed) some truly amazing people. Did you get chance to properly meet any of them?Not sure birds in flight is quite within my capabilities but got a few with the Z7 in the hour on Staple Island:
Puffins - Staple Island by amanda benson, on Flickr
Puffins - Staple Island by amanda benson, on Flickr
Puffins - Staple Island by amanda benson, on Flickr
Nope, not really. For example, one of them I looked at the info afterwards and I’d only had 12 seconds to get a range of images of them. Fairly typical; I only get people in a hurry!Great pics. Just had a look at your photo stream, looks like you've met (or at least photographed) some truly amazing people. Did you get chance to properly meet any of them?
I just responded on the Sony thread, here's a copy and pasteAlso posted in the Sony thread but after this discussion earlier though it might be of some interest or to see what people though.
I know these are member written but an Interesting take on Sony.
https://petapixel.com/2019/07/19/is-sonys-pace-of-innovation-actually-hurting-the-photo-industry/
I suppose we all remember the recent picture comparisons on another site in which in blind tests (as in not knowing what camera was used to take what picture) Sony came top but when people knew what camera took each picture they changed their minds... this must point to extreme brand loyalty (to put it kindly) coming into play. {/quote] Really? That's funny
I think it's a combo of both tbh when we're talking colours, plus I think AWB has an effect too.Personally and I may be wrong but playing with old lenses has convinced me that the lens has far more effect on the image including colour than the camera, I shoot raw BTW so I'm not really interested in how JPEG's can affect all this.
Anyway, one question I've been meaning to ask but don't think I have yet...
Is anyone using film era manual lenses?
I have three lovely Nippon Kogaku's that'd look lovely on a Nikon mirrorless... Here's one (50mm f2) on my Sony...
One thing about these lenses is that if you're happy to mf they're basically a lens for life as they'll last for decades and you can take them with you if you change systems.