1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  1. akr

    akr

    Messages:
    2,532
    Name:
    Al
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Hi Alf

    It will principally be family - my prime interest is in wildlife photography, but I think (bar the photos above) I will use my 40D for that. So people I guess, landscapes periodically when we are out and about. The features in the camera may make me review some of this - prime motivation is camera when out with the family and then see how we go from there, maybe sell some of my Canon gear dependant on how it goes.

    I don't mind zooms, and I looked at the 12-40 but I think that will more that eat into my budget, even second hand.

    Thanks

    Al
     
  2. Dave Semmens

    Dave Semmens

    Messages:
    1,673
    Name:
    Dave
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    I shoot quite a few landscapes with mine and the Olympus 9-18 is rarely off the camera.
     
    akr likes this.
  3. alfbranch

    alfbranch

    Messages:
    8,439
    Name:
    Alf
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Mine is usually on a my E-M5II while the 12-40 Is on the E-M1.
     
    akr likes this.
  4. snerkler

    snerkler

    Messages:
    9,972
    Edit My Images:
    No
    If I was to choose one general lens for Olympus m4/3 it would be the 12-40mm f2.8 without question. In terms of sharpness it's not 'that' much sharper than the 14-42mm but overall it renders nicer images imo, plus you get the f2.8. On top of that it just feels nice to use, and along with the EM5-II will be weathersealed meaning that it doesn't matter if you get caught out by the weather. I've been caught out with my old EM5-II with the 12-40mm in pretty heavy rain without issue.

    As for the other lenses you mentioned both the 20mm F1.7 and 45mm F1.8 are really nice and extremely great value. They're not the sharpest primes out there wide open but they're pretty darn good. I picked up a reasonable condition 45mm for around £100,... bargain.

    The 9-18mm is another nice lens, gives very nice images and is small and light. As a general lens it doesn't have the flexibility of the 12-40mm imo. The 12-40mm is good for landscapes, portraits, general photos, low light, and you can even get some shallow ish DOF if you try ;)
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2017
    akr likes this.
  5. Robintaylor

    Robintaylor

    Messages:
    664
    Name:
    Robin
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    How do these compare to FF for low light ?
    Need low light capabilities, would prefer smaller but......
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2017
  6. alsuser

    alsuser

    Messages:
    63
    Edit My Images:
    No
    If you are looking for portability, you could always get the M.Zuiko 14-42mm EZ lens and add on the auto lens cap. The secondhand prices are reasonable. Then you can get the Olympus 45mm if you want a prime for portraits and take a look at the M.Zuiko 40-150mm f/4.0-5.6 for a cheap sharp telephoto
     
    akr likes this.
  7. akr

    akr

    Messages:
    2,532
    Name:
    Al
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Thanks @Dave Semmens and @alfbranch and @snerkler .

    I think the 9-18 may be one for the future, I'll need something longer to start with - thanks for the suggestion (y) . I have seen a (well used) 12-40 for £500, hmmm decisions decisions, it looks very tempting, I'd looked but written it off budget wise. In 2 minds whether to get this or 2 primes for faster apertures for about the same price, or just one prime. The sensible choice is probably the 12-40 - I shall mull it over for the next couple of hours and try not to procrastinate till the end of time. Thanks all for your help and suggestions.
     
  8. akr

    akr

    Messages:
    2,532
    Name:
    Al
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Thanks @alsuser . I'm genuinely confused what to do! I do want small, portable, lowish f numbers though. I think I'd rather have less range now and get more lenses further down the line, especially if I start to trade in some of my Canon kit.I guess that's what I like about primes, though the zoom lenses mentioned do look quite small.
     
  9. rugeyes

    rugeyes

    Messages:
    498
    Edit My Images:
    No
    The 12-40 is a lovely sharp lens. When I bought mine I was planning to sell on my primes that were covered in the range. It is really sharp, quick and never fails me and it stays on my camera for most of the time. However the primes do have a really distinctive look in comparison to the rather clinical 12-40. I don't know if it is the shorter aperture or what but there is a difference. not what you want to hear when you are deciding no doubt! Sorry :)
     
  10. snerkler

    snerkler

    Messages:
    9,972
    Edit My Images:
    No
    M4/3 can't compete in low light with FF (comparing similar age tech). I'm pretty loathed to go above 3400 ISO on my m4/3 but will use 12800 ISO on my D750.

    I was comparing the low light advantage of the 12-40mm compared to the 14-42mm, 12-32mm etc. The 12-40mm is 2 stops faster at the long end.

    I've seen good used 12-40's going for under £500 but haven't kept an eye on prices in the past few couple of months.
     
  11. snerkler

    snerkler

    Messages:
    9,972
    Edit My Images:
    No
    I can't say I've ever thought the 12-40mm looks clinical tbh, I think it renders rather nice (y)
     
  12. damianmkv

    damianmkv Uh oh, a fruit basket!

    Messages:
    5,406
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    You can buy grey for just under £500.

    Or join e-group.uk.net as they come up under £500 quite often on there
     
  13. Robintaylor

    Robintaylor

    Messages:
    664
    Name:
    Robin
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Thanks was wondering to what extent, love the features, size etc but I think FF will be the only option
     
  14. snerkler

    snerkler

    Messages:
    9,972
    Edit My Images:
    No
    Yep, one up at the moment for £360 in good condition and one at £430 in excellent condition.
     
  15. Thunderbird010

    Thunderbird010

    Messages:
    2,391
    Name:
    Andy
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    I recently purchased a em10 ii which came with the 14-42 ez lens. If I'm honest I wasn't expecting much from that lens and I've only used it in good light and it's exceeded my expectations. The other lens I bought was the Panasonic 45-150 for just over £100 and it's really small and great image quality.

    I'm sure that the 12-40 will be superior but the size of the ez was the reason I bought that lens. If you do go for the 12-40 then you may be better if buying grey and I've used these a few times before and no problems https://www.e-infin.com/uk/item/202...ens_in_black?gclid=CJTN4ujnmtMCFRGNGwodfLkFwg
     
    akr likes this.
  16. akr

    akr

    Messages:
    2,532
    Name:
    Al
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Thanks, have just signed up.
     
  17. rugeyes

    rugeyes

    Messages:
    498
    Edit My Images:
    No
    Clinical is maybe the wrong word. Maybe I'm just lazy when I shoot with a zoom and I have to try harder with a prime so there is a difference there? I don't know
     
  18. akr

    akr

    Messages:
    2,532
    Name:
    Al
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    I decided to go with some secondhand primes in the end, which, unless I lose or break them, means I can hopefully resell them for about the same if I want to swap to a zoom, or something else. I've ordered (hopefully) the 60mm F2.8 ED Macro M.Zuiko (Olympus) and the 25mm F1.4 DG Summilux (Panasonic\Leica). We'll see how we go with them, hoping they will arrive Thursday. I have a feeling I may swap the 25mm for the 12-40 a a later stage but let's see.
     
    snerkler likes this.
  19. alfbranch

    alfbranch

    Messages:
    8,439
    Name:
    Alf
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    The E-M10ii and 14-42 EZ must be great together.
    I haven't used my 14-42 EZ much lately but it a very nice little lens.
     
  20. alfbranch

    alfbranch

    Messages:
    8,439
    Name:
    Alf
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Well my E-M5II is away getting repaired as it would not switch off.
    My E-M1 decided to stop working and the shutter stuck closed so both were sent for repair.
     
  21. akr

    akr

    Messages:
    2,532
    Name:
    Al
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    :( That's bad timing blimey. Hope at least 1 is back to you soon!
     
  22. alfbranch

    alfbranch

    Messages:
    8,439
    Name:
    Alf
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Well its got me doing something different for sure.
    I have been shooting with my Olympus OM2sp I have some film to get developed now.
     
    akr likes this.
  23. Thunderbird010

    Thunderbird010

    Messages:
    2,391
    Name:
    Andy
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Phiggys, Greytop, lookmore and 4 others like this.
  24. damianmkv

    damianmkv Uh oh, a fruit basket!

    Messages:
    5,406
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Bebop, alfbranch and Ulfric M Douglas like this.
  25. damianmkv

    damianmkv Uh oh, a fruit basket!

    Messages:
    5,406
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    so, tonight was the first time i've picked up the E-M1 for months - i did it because i'm going drag racing at the weekend and wanted some practice

    [​IMG]
    flurry
    by damianmkv, on Flickr

    [​IMG]
    rockets at sunset
    by damianmkv, on Flickr

    i wish they'd all ride at the same speed, it'd make things much easier :D
     
    Phiggys, Dave Semmens, Bebop and 2 others like this.
  26. alfbranch

    alfbranch

    Messages:
    8,439
    Name:
    Alf
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Here is an E-M55II with the 14-42 EZ and an E-M1 with the 12-40

    [​IMG]1 & 5 comparison by Alf Branch, on Flickr

    Here is my E-M5II with 9-18 and my OM2sp

    [​IMG]E-M5II compared to OM2sp 1 by Alf Branch, on Flickr

    Another lens to consider is the 12-50 ez

    [​IMG]Standard zooms by Alf Branch, on Flickr
     
    Phiggys likes this.
  27. damianmkv

    damianmkv Uh oh, a fruit basket!

    Messages:
    5,406
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    There's a 12-40 listed there now at £410, described as mint. Too late I guess
     
    snerkler likes this.
  28. akr

    akr

    Messages:
    2,532
    Name:
    Al
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Thanks - the 12-40 comparison is really interesting - quite a difference

    Too late now, but thank you for looking. I had a look after you first mentioned the site, but I think they had all gone, but in the end I could not decide between the primes and zoom, and opted for the former. It's a grass is always greener problem I think!
     
  29. snerkler

    snerkler

    Messages:
    9,972
    Edit My Images:
    No
    There's no denying the size/weight difference between the 12-40mm and 14-42mm EZ is marked. My very first Olly was the EM10 with 14-42mm and even that small combo was too big to comfortably fit into a pocket. Certainly would only fit in coat pocket and even then you could feel the weight as you walked around. I soon realised that I preferred carrying it around on a sling strap, not only for the weight but also because the camera was always ready to go. On a trip to London it soon coat tiresome taking it in and out of my pocket (especially as the eyepiece would snag on something) and constantly putting on and removing the lens cap. On sling strap you really can't tell the difference in weight. OK you can, but it's insignificant imo.

    I guess it depends on how you plan on carrying the camera. On a neck strap the difference will be more noticeable, and obviously with the 12-40mm there's absolutely no way it'll fit into any coat pocket (at least any 'normal' coat ;)), but if you use sling straps then the 12-40mm definitely makes sense over the 14-42mm imo.
     
  30. Lukus_91

    Lukus_91

    Messages:
    4
    Name:
    Luke
    Edit My Images:
    No
    Hi guys, I'm new to photography and this forum, I just want to introduce myself and say I purchased an OMD em10 mark ii and I love it, it's my first camera and I main got it for street photography. What lens would anyone recommend for street photography for the great little cameras?
     
    Phiggys likes this.
  31. Thunderbird010

    Thunderbird010

    Messages:
    2,391
    Name:
    Andy
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    For street would recommend the 17 1.8 it's fast sharp and gives you more or less a 35mm equivalent. There's one for sale in the forums at the minute.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2017
  32. Mark Johnson

    Mark Johnson

    Messages:
    1,830
    Name:
    Mark
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    [​IMG]Avocet by Mark Johnson, on Flickr

    Taken at Slimbridge using Em1 mk2, and the Zuiko 75-300mm lens.

    Is it me or the lens?? Shot was taken at 20 yards maybe,1/1250, f7.1, and iso 500, and handheld. ISIS (Image Stabilisation!!) was set to auto.

    Disappointed with the lack of feather detail, and this shot is just one of the 400 odd shots taken.

    Normally (transport wise) I use the Panasonic 100-400mm with the Em1, and tend to get MUCH better results.

    Don't want to blame the tools, but am getting the feeling that this lens (maybe just mine) is not so good...............
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2017
    Phiggys and Robintaylor like this.
  33. ianp5a

    ianp5a

    Messages:
    4,311
    Name:
    Ian
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    Mark, I think we're supposed to say "so called" ISIS.
     
    Phiggys, snerkler and Mark Johnson like this.
  34. snerkler

    snerkler

    Messages:
    9,972
    Edit My Images:
    No
    The 20mm f1.7 is a great option for street photography, very compact with great IQ and 40mm eq is a great FL for street.

    ISIS?????? :eek:

    Looking at your other 3 shots on flickr you've taken with lens 2 out of 3 are poor. Clearly the lens can take sharp images, so it's either user error, some issue with it and IBIS :)p) or some intermittent fault with the lens. There is some thought that at fast shutter speeds IS can be detrimental and some people turn it off, I've personally never noticed an issue. I would test it with IBIS on (rather than auto) and off and see what results you get. When using the 100-400mm do you have it set it use the lens OIS or the in body IBIS?
     
  35. Mark Johnson

    Mark Johnson

    Messages:
    1,830
    Name:
    Mark
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    When using the Panasonic, I have the IBIS (!!) set on, on both camera and lens. I find this works just as well as anything. Whilst the Mk2 has super image stabilisation, the Pany lens does seem to work better for me anyway.

    I kinda rely on the image stabilisation, as my shoots are mainly done on foot in the woods so to speak. Tripods just get in the way. also main reason for spending a fortune on a new camera. I accept that technique is certainly part of the problem, but I just seem to get much better results with the Panasonic.

    Only reason for taking the Zuiko yesterday was Size. I was actually working at the WWT Slimbridge, so did not want to lug around two bags of camera gear.........

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    [​IMG]Red Breasted Merganser by Mark Johnson, on Flickr

    Taken at maybe 3-4 yards..........
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2017
    Phiggys and snerkler like this.
  36. footman

    footman

    Messages:
    3,084
    Name:
    Laurence
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    @Mark Johnson ,
    Mark, what are your shutter settings when using these long lenses?
     
  37. snerkler

    snerkler

    Messages:
    9,972
    Edit My Images:
    No
    Yep, that's the one that shows that it can take good shots, nothing wrong with the detail on that one. Much crisper overall, the others look like they haven't gained focus properly.
     
  38. Lukus_91

    Lukus_91

    Messages:
    4
    Name:
    Luke
    Edit My Images:
    No
    Thank you for the response I'll keep my eye out as I'm too new for the buy and sell section still. But thank you for the information.
     
    Phiggys likes this.
  39. Mark Johnson

    Mark Johnson

    Messages:
    1,830
    Name:
    Mark
    Edit My Images:
    Yes
    I am using the silent Low continuous mode, electronic shutter I believe. I use that mode to take short bursts of shots, as birds tend to duck and dive a bit.............
     
  40. Lukus_91

    Lukus_91

    Messages:
    4
    Name:
    Luke
    Edit My Images:
    No
    Thank you snerkler for your response too I'm guessing the lens is made by Olympus? Sorry if that's a stupid question its just I know Panasonic lenses fit too.
     

Share This Page