Olympus OM-D E-M5, E-M1, E-M10 - Mk1, Mk2 & Mk3 Owners Thread

RedRobin said:
.... I understand your thinking and reasoning and I am not for a moment suggesting you don't change or further add to your camera systems, but don't you know that there is no such thing as a perfect camera?

It's a personal preference thing and I don't care how good the Sony system is technically, I intensely dislike its ergonomics and physical feel.

If you look at my best images on Flickr, would I have got better ones if I was shooting Sony?
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/114775606@N07/albums/72157686132840835

As long as you enjoy taking photographs and don't get too self-critical I can see the advantages Sony brings to you personally. Sony is marmite!
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The A7RIV is the only mirrorless Sony that I've liked the handling of tbh, I've hated all the others myself.

TBH it's not about besting my images, there's a vast number that I've taken with the Olympus that wouldn't have been bested had I taken them on FF. However, where I like FF is the shallow DOF and pop due to subject isolation, that is why I 'need' FF in my life ;) As I said, this is the first time I can have one system that offers me everything I want.
 
I can "sort" of see where Snerkler is coming from (although I have no intents on changing any of my gear).

I love my Nikon Z6 and Z7 bodies almost as much as my Olympus, and obviously under certain conditions the FF sensor just outshines the Olympus and the images from both the Z's are stunning, with the shallow DOF and "pop" that Snerkler mentions. I think Nikon is on a roll with the Z bodies with the fast roll out's of the new firmwares, and I honestly don't think it will be that long (and maybe a camera generation) before the Nikon bodies (and Canon for that matter), achieve the AF capabilities of the Sony's (I really believe in the 18 months since the Z's were launched, the AF in these bodies has come on leaps and bounds). The AF on Sony's is generally regarded as pretty much the best in the business at present, but I don't shoot a lot of fast moving stuff and for the little I do, neither my Olympus EM1 MK II or EM1X or my Z6/ Z7 combo have ever failed me in that regard anyway. Really fast small birds in flight might be a different proposition though. Ergonomic wise (for me at least) all 4 of my bodies are just superb in that matter, and really makes you want to pick them up and shoot. TBH, even with the Z7, I don't use the full 45mp most of the time and quite often crop or resize down, so don't know what I would do with over 60mp :D:D

However.....the one thing that Sony has that Nikon (and Canon for that matter) doesn't is a full suite of legacy mirrorless lenses. I have to admit to longingly salivating over the Sony 200-600 OSS lens, at less than £2k (in fact grey - less than £1.4k). Now I know a Nikon 200-600 and a 100-400 is on the road map, but it's not here YET, (and maybe not until next year), and at Nikon prices, I expect it would cost a lot more than the Sony.

That's for me where my Olympus system comes in. I currently have 600mm effective at F4 (so if you take it that FF has about 2 stops better high ISO than M4/3), so I'm only 2/3 stop difference (all else being equal - F4 vs F6.3), so that will do me for now, and with my new NR routine (using Denoise AI), I'm pretty pleased with images from the Olympus (certainly up to ISO 3200-4000, and with a bit more care - ISO 6400). To be honest I've thought a few times about going all in with my Nikon FF gear and selling off the Olympus but whenever I do, I remember the things about Olympus that I love i.e. Smaller lenses in general, HIgh Res mpdes (hand held and tripod), Live Time / Bulb / Composite modes (love these), world class IBIS that hasn't been bettered, a sensor that just doesn't seem to get dirty, built in focus stacking (that actually stacks in camera) and many more. What Micro Four thirds might lack in sensor size, it more than makes up for in genuines useful features that most of the competition just don't have.
 
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Sootchucker said:
I can "sort" of see where Snerkler is coming from (although I have no intents on changing any of my gear).

I love my Nikon Z6 and Z7 bodies almost as much as my Olympus, and obviously under certain conditions the FF sensor just outshines the Olympus and the images from both the Z's are stunning, with the shallow DOF and "pop" that Snerkler mentions. I think Nikon is on a roll with the Z bodies with the fast roll out's of the new firmwares, and I honestly don't think it will be that long (and maybe a camera generation) before the Nikon bodies (and Canon for that matter), achieve the AF capabilities of the Sony's (I really believe in the 18 months since the Z's were launched, the AF in these bodies has come on leaps and bounds). The AF on Sony's is generally regarded as pretty much the best in the business at present, but I don't shoot a lot of fast moving stuff and for the little I do, neither my Olympus EM1 MK II or EM1X or my Z6/ Z7 combo have ever failed me in that regard anyway. Really fast small birds in flight might be a different proposition though. Ergonomic wise (for me at least) all 4 of my bodies are just superb in that matter, and really makes you want to pick them up and shoot. TBH, even with the Z7, I don't use the full 45mp most of the time and quite often crop or resize down, so don't know what I would do with over 60mp :D:D

However.....the one thing that Sony has that Nikon (and Canon for that matter) doesn't is a full suite of legacy mirrorless lenses. I have to admit to longingly salivating over the Sony 200-600 OSS lens, at less than £2k (in fact grey - less than £1.4k). Now I know a Nikon 200-600 and a 100-400 is on the road map, but it's not here YET, (and maybe not until next year), and at Nikon prices, I expect it would cost a lot more than the Sony.

That's for me where my Olympus system comes in. I currently have 600mm effective at F4 (so if you take it that FF has about 2 stops better high ISO than M4/3), so I'm only 2/3 stop difference (all else being equal - F4 vs F6.3), so that will do me for now, and with my new NR routine (using Denoise AI), I'm pretty pleased with images from the Olympus (certainly up to ISO 3200-4000, and with a bit more care - ISO 6400). To be honest I've thought a few times about going all in with my Nikon FF gear and selling off the Olympus but whenever I do, I remember the things about Olympus that I love i.e. Smaller lenses in general, HIgh Res mpdes (hand held and tripod), Live Time / Bulb / Composite modes (love these), world class IBIS that hasn't been bettered, a sensor that just doesn't seem to get dirty, built in focus stacking (that actually stacks in camera) and many more. What Micro Four thirds might lack in sensor size, it more than makes up for in genuines useful features that most of the competition just don't have.
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I'm convinced Nikon will get there, I'm really impressed with their lenses and the bodies feel great. The trouble is that my gear is devaluing at a rate of knots and it will be at least two years before Nikon will have anywhere close to the native lenses I want, and even then some of the lenses I've been looking at aren't even on the Nikon road map. If I wait and wait then my current gear will be worth next to nothing and I'll not be able to invest in anything new. It's a very tough choice, and I don't have a crystal ball, but I'm just doing what I feel is right at the moment. I could love to regret it, who knows o_O
 
snerkler said:
Now that Sony has brought out the A7RIV and finally improved the ergonomics to a point that I can actually use their bodies, and has the crazy 60mp sensor that allows me to get 2 x crops with 15mp it does appear that I can have the best of both worlds. I can buy the Sony 100-400mm and crop 2 x to give me the same FOV as my 100-400mm on the Olympus, albeit with a slight weight penalty, but still over a kilo lighter than my previous wildlife setup (Nikon D850 with 150-600mm).
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The upcoming Z8 and D860 are meant to have the 60Mp sensor, which apparently Nikon already has, and there is a 100-400 Z mount on Nikons Roadmap. But I understand the desire for a single system and that it's already there with the Sony. Having said that I rather like the Nikon/Olympus combo as M43 still offers a size advantage when you really want/need it.

As aside, because of the different sensor ratios, cutting out an M43 frame from the 60Mp Sony sensor gives you 17Mp, assuming I got the arithmetic right,
 
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myotis said:
The upcoming Z8 and D860 are meant to have the 60Mp sensor, which apparently Nikon already has, and there is a 100-400 Z mount on Nikons Roadmap. But I understand the desire for a single system and that it's already there with the Sony. Having said that I rather like the Nikon/Olympus combo as M43 still offers a size advantage when you really want/need it.

As aside, because of the different sensor ratios, cutting out an M43 frame from the 60Mp Sony sensor gives you 17Mp, assuming I got the arithmetic right,
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Yeah I thought about the Z8, but then it still comes back to lenses. I don't know when the 100-400mm is coming out, there's nothing on the radar that can match the Tamron 70-180mm f2.8 in terms of weight whilst maintaining the light gathering and having the subject isolation, and there's nothing that can match the portability of the Sony 35mm f2.8 and Samyang 24mm f2.8 for travel.

I think a 2x crop on the Sony would give 15mp which is a drop from the 20mp on the Olympus but I'm willing to take that as I get more resolution from 100-600mm eq using the 100-400mm lens and equal resolution at 700mm eq on the Sony (ie 20mp).
 
snerkler said:
Yeah I thought about the Z8, but then it still comes back to lenses. I don't know when the 100-400mm is coming out, there's nothing on the radar that can match the Tamron 70-180mm f2.8 in terms of weight whilst maintaining the light gathering and having the subject isolation, and there's nothing that can match the portability of the Sony 35mm f2.8 and Samyang 24mm f2.8 for travel.

I think a 2x crop on the Sony would give 15mp which is a drop from the 20mp on the Olympus but I'm willing to take that as I get more resolution from 100-600mm eq using the 100-400mm lens and equal resolution at 700mm eq on the Sony (ie 20mp).
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Yes, I agree it's not straightforward, I dislike changing cameras enough to just wait !

It probably is about 15Mp if you use a 2:3 crop. If you compare it against a full size M43 sensor, it's just under 17Mp, which is probably a better figure if you are comparing how many pixels you trade-off against a 20.3Mp M43 sensors.
 
myotis said:
Yes, I agree it's not straightforward, I dislike changing cameras enough to just wait !

It probably is about 15Mp if you use a 2:3 crop. If you compare it against a full size M43 sensor, it's just under 17Mp, which is probably a better figure if you are comparing how many pixels you trade-off against a 20.3Mp M43 sensors.
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Ahh yes I forgot about the different ratios (y).

I've just been out again to try the A7R IV and I do like the ergonomics of it (except the mode dial lock), by far their best body since the A77-II.
 
with me I read all the arguments and the for and against posts and it comes down to one thing and one thing only .. the weight .. I simply can no longer carry around a large or medium camera with a large heavy lens . and the lightweight ones from the likes of nikon the pf are beyond my pension price range
 
It's a good enough reason as any Jeff, and looking at your recent images, it's not like you are compromising much ?

I'm as bad as anyone (maybe with the exception of Twist :)), for swapping systems and trying something new - I've wasted a small fortune on gear over the last 10 years or so, but I truly believe that with the Nikon Z and my Micro Four Thirds sets up, I pretty much have everything I'll ever need from these two systems, so I honestly can't see me ever swapping (again) to Fuji or Canon / Sony etc, unless of course Nikon and Olympus / Panasonic go bump or pull out of this market.

I'll probably add some more lenses (certainly some telephoto options for the Nikon if affordable) when they become available, but other than that, I'd happy.

I get that Toby wants just one system (it actually more convenient), but for me, having both gives me the best of both worlds.
 
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gad-westy said:
Does anyone know if there is a way to look link magnifying box to focus position? If I move my focus box around, AF on something and then want to check critical focus by zooming in, the magnifying box will be wherever I last used it. Could be the other side of the screen. It's an E-M5iii but I assume if there's a menu option somewhere it's likely to be the same for any model.
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.... On the M1X you can customise a button to action returning your focus box to 'Home' which is usually centre but can be positioned where you decide. I don't know if this is a recent feature option introduced by Olympus.

gad-westy said:
And while I'm here, I understand there is updated FW out for the EM5iii but several reports suggest that settings cannot be saved during update. Anybody happen to know a definitive answer? Really cannot be arsed to set the camera up again if it can be avoided.
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.... If you use Olympus Workspace, before updating the Firmware you can Save the camera's settings including your customisations. Then after the FW update you can reload your settings. These options are in the drop down top Menu bar.

You can even copy your settings from one Olympus camera body to another providing that both bodies are the same model (both E-M5iii in your case, but not M5ii > < M5iii). I do this fairly often if I have changed customised settings on one of my two identical bodies.

HTH
 
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RedRobin said:
.... On the M1X you can customise a button to action returning your focus box to 'Home' which is usually centre but can be positioned where you decide. I don't know if this is a recent feature option introduced by Olympus.



.... If you use Olympus Workspace, before updating the Firmware you can Save the camera's settings including your customisations. Then after the FW update you can reload your settings. These options are in the drop down top Menu bar.

You can even copy your settings from one Olympus camera body to another providing that both bodies are the same model (both E-M5iii in your case, but not M5ii > < M5iii). I do this fairly often if I have changed customised settings on one of my two identical bodies.

HTH
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Thanks Robin. Unfortunately you cannot save settings on the E-M5iii. The option is there but if you click on it you get a message saying that this feature is not available on the EM5iii. Now that I've read more on it I can see that it's a well reported issue. There was an expectation that it was an error that would be fixed with the firmware update but it hasn't been so it's starting to look like a deliberate 'de-featuring' by Olympus. I really hope not as not losing all settings for each up date is something that is basically standard across any electrical device these days. Right now I'm really quite annoyed about it.

Regarding the home position, that button will return the focus zone and modes etc to default settings but my issue is that I want the magnifying box to match the focus zone. So an example would be, I'm photographing a landscape and move the AF point over a rock and focus on it. I might want to double check that focus by quickly zooming in on the same area. But when I hit the zoom button my zoom window will be somewhere else entirely, I guess wherever I left it. This one is less bothersome but I thought there might be a way of linking the two.
 
Sootchucker said:
- I've wasted a small fortune on gear over the last 10 years or so,
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Likewise, but at the end of the day it's brought me a lot of enjoyment so I don't really regret it. I've lost far more on cars over the years :eek:

but I truly believe that with the Nikon Z and my Micro Four Thirds sets up, I pretty much have everything I'll ever need from these two systems, so I honestly can't see me ever swapping (again) to Fuji or Canon / Sony etc
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I said that myself so it does make me wonder why I'm making the change :LOL:

I get that Toby wants just one system (it actually more convenient), but for me, having both gives me the best of both worlds.
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TBH having both gave me the best of both worlds too, and I still think both are truly wonderful cameras/systems, the new Z lenses really are superb.

But wants and needs change, and you never know I could be back with Nikon in a few years ;)
 
Regarding a search for The Holy Grail in camera gear, I don't even try to search. Even if you find the 'perfect' camera it becomes superceded in time as technology advances ever onwards.

I had been very happy with my Canon gear, both 1DX-2 and EOS-R mirrorless with L lenses, and when I first trialled the Olympus E-M1X I didn't know if I would keep parts of both systems but then I quickly realised that it would be so much more practical and economical roadmap-wise to totally switch to the Olympus Pro system. Afterall, I am happy with my results and prefer having the use of two bodies and even better as they are identical.

A camera body is just a control module for various lenses.

For me the pros of the Olympus M1X Pro system far outweigh the cons if I compare with my Canons. The Canons for me were great but are now just history.
 
I echo everything written so far ,for years I switched from canon to Nikon then back again . Loved the canon 1D series bodies , chopped and changed willy nilly in the search for ever better results ... now due to age and health I have to be satisfied with what I have and make the best of it .. saying that though I picked up a 400mm f5.6. Manual focus lens today in v.g condition give me something different to play with ,just waiting on the adaptor to arrive from corona land
 
Bebop said:
Thanks for sharing. Really interesting but a bit of a long read. The most interesting bit for me is at the bottom. His images are truly stunning!
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Yup, long reads (even as worthwhile as his) are not my favourite on a screen........I had to print it out! Going to read it later to digest his insights :)
 
Box Brownie said:
Yup, long reads (even as worthwhile as his) are not my favourite on a screen........I had to print it out! Going to read it later to digest his insights :)
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He said it was the equivalent of 14 A4 sheets! Much of it is particular to capturing humming birds, so a bit specialist. The most useful part for me was the last few pages.
 
@gad-westy : Graham, I think it was you who was asking about image quality when the 2x MC-20 is mounted on the Olympus 40-150mm F/2.8 Pro, so here are some recent examples of mine shot with that combo on my E-M1X :

All shot @ max zoom 300mm (600mm equivalent), subject distances not included in the EXIF data unfortunately. But this combo does not make my Olympus 300mm F/4 Pro redundant - Having zoom just adds to my flexibility but at the cost of maximum aperture F/5.6 vs F/4 and I think that the 300mm prime may be slightly sharper if directly compared without a TC and depending on circumstances < You would probably have to pixel-peep.

They were all either in rain, drizzle, or overcast light and all in my wildlife garden in Dorset.

A PAIR OF COLLARED DOVES by Robin Procter, on Flickr

^ A PAIR OF COLLARED DOVES

THE RAT RUN! by Robin Procter, on Flickr

^ A BROWN RAT

JACKDAW IN DRIZZLE by Robin Procter, on Flickr

^ A JACKDAW

As someone said earlier, there are also plenty of examples of this lens combo elsewhere online.

I shall be using this combo when I next get the call to photograph friends surfing.

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That Jackdaw photo is stunning. Never realised how majestic they are.

Would like to view on Flickr but its down again :(
 
300mm f2.8 or f4?
 
Some great photos there Robin, does show just what can be done with m4/3, think the photographers skill has something to do with it too

I would like to shoot that fat old rat with something other than a camera
 
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jakeblu said:
That Jackdaw photo is stunning. Never realised how majestic they are.

Would like to view on Flickr but its down again :(
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.... Thanks Steve. Indeed Jackdaws are, and very intelligent too like all corvids.

At this time of year they are paired up again but still flying in flocks. The local population are fairly regular visitors to my wildlife garden. Typical behaviour is that one will stay high in a tree and keep watch while any others feed below in my garden.

Flickr is now up and running again.
 
tijuana taxi said:
Some great photos there Robin, does show just what can be done with m4/3, think the photographers skill has something to do with it too

I would like to shoot that fat old rat with something other than a camera
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.... Thankyou Rich.

Rats are not my favourite animal but I don't feel the same about them as you do. I don't often see one in my garden but occasionally along the river not far away. I was once told that wherever you are, a rat will be within 30 feet of you < I think this was referring to the animal species but I was working in London's financial district 'The Square Mile' at the time I was told.
 
RedRobin said:
.... Thankyou Rich.

Rats are not my favourite animal but I don't feel the same about them as you do. I don't often see one in my garden but occasionally along the river not far away. I was once told that wherever you are, a rat will be within 30 feet of you < I think this was referring to the animal species but I was working in London's financial district 'The Square Mile' at the time I was told.
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Too true Robin, lots of vermin in the square mile

Nasty things Rats, carriers of all sorts of diseases especially Veils disease.
I strongly suspect that was what my Dad died from, had all the symptoms and he frequented still water that had Rats present
Only living thing I can kill with no compunction, plenty of them to go round
 
Bebop said:
People with the EM1X @Sootchucker @RedRobin? .... have you tried the live nd filter for panning in bright light? Does it work in this scenario or only for static scenes?
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.... I haven't tried the Live ND filter at all yet - It's not something I'm usually very likely to use but might experiment with when I shoot some landscapes in Greece this April. To be honest I'm not sure what it's intended to be used for.

I have done plenty of panning on a RRS QR panning head always mounted on my FlexShooter head on Gitzo Traveller tripod and simply shot at slow shutter speeds such as 1/30s :

SPACESHIP 92212 IN ACTION ON THE &#x27;WATERCRESS LINE&#x27; by Robin Procter, on Flickr
 
I know it's a bit of a segue but I have to admit to being impressed at today's announcement of the Fujifilm XT-4. Now let me start by saying I won't be swapping as I'm too heavily invested in the micro four thirds system to swap (and it suits my current needs), but looking at the less than enthusiastic reception the Olympus EM1 MK III got, it does look like Fuji hit this one out of the park.

When I had a Fuji system last year (X-T3), whilst generally it was very good, there were things I didn't like compared to my Olympus system and it looks like they have addressed most of them (6.5 stops IBIS, dedicated Video mode with it's own settings, bigger battery, better C-AF etc.). It also seems like the Fuji includes most of the features that a lot of Olympus uses wanted on the MK III - namely Higher resolution EVF (although same as X-T3), higher resolution rear screen, 4K 60 at 10 bit internal, much higher bitrates for all video modes including 1080P, more MP (although to be fair Fuji have done what Olympus did and recycle their X-T3 sensor - but it's still much newer than the one on 2016 EM1 MK II).

All this for a launch price of £1549 body only - £150 less than the EM1 MK III, or £1,949 with the 16-80 F4 (compared to the MKIII and 12-40 pro @ £2,199). For someone just getting into a MLIC system with nothing invested in glass, it does make a very strong case for itself, and will no doubt prove to be very strong competition for the MK III. One good thing is that if competition is very strong, it might drive down the price of the MK III sooner rather than later ?
 
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RedRobin said:
.... I haven't tried the Live ND filter at all yet - It's not something I'm usually very likely to use but might experiment with when I shoot some landscapes in Greece this April. To be honest I'm not sure what it's intended to be used for.

I have done plenty of panning on a RRS QR panning head always mounted on my FlexShooter head on Gitzo Traveller tripod and simply shot at slow shutter speeds such as 1/30s :

SPACESHIP 92212 IN ACTION ON THE &#x27;WATERCRESS LINE&#x27; by Robin Procter, on Flickr
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Great photo, perfect sense of speed imo.
Sootchucker said:
I know it's a bit of a segue but I have to admit to being impressed at today's announcement of the Fujifilm XT-4. Now let me start by saying I won't be swapping as I'm too heavily invested in the micro four thirds system to swap (and it suits my current needs), but looking at the less than enthusiastic reception the Olympus EM1 MK III got, it does look like Fuji hit this one out of the park.

When I had a Fuji system last year (X-T3), whilst generally it was very good, there were things I didn't like compared to my Olympus system and it looks like they have addressed most of them (6.5 stops IBIS, dedicated Video mode with it's own settings, bigger battery, better C-AF etc.). It also seems like the Fuji includes most of the features that a lot of Olympus uses wanted on the MK III - namely Higher resolution EVF (although same as X-T3), higher resolution rear screen, 4K 60 at 10 bit internal, much higher bitrates for all video modes including 1080P, more MP (although to be fair Fuji have done what Olympus did and recycle their X-T3 sensor - but it's still much newer than the one on 2016 EM1 MK II).

All this for a launch price of £1549 body only - £150 less than the EM1 MK III, or £1,949 with the 16-80 F4 (compared to the MKIII and 12-40 pro @ £2,199). For someone just getting into a MLIC system with nothing invested in glass, it does make a very strong case for itself, and will no doubt prove to be very strong competition for the MK III. One good thing is that if competition is very strong, it might drive down the price of the MK III sooner rather than later ?
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X-T4 looks a cracking bit of kit imo.
 
The X-T4 looks the business. I had Fujis for years, starting with an X-E1 right up to an X-T2. What I loved about the XT range was the amazing viewfinder, but its lack of IBIS lead me to MFT. I won't go back to Fuji, but XT-4 certainly looks a decent camera.
 
Sootchucker said:
I know it's a bit of a segue but I have to admit to being impressed at today's announcement of the Fujifilm XT-4. Now let me start by saying I won't be swapping as I'm too heavily invested in the micro four thirds system to swap (and it suits my current needs), but looking at the less than enthusiastic reception the Olympus EM1 MK III got, it does look like Fuji hit this one out of the park.

When I had a Fuji system last year (X-T3), whilst generally it was very good, there were things I didn't like compared to my Olympus system and it looks like they have addressed most of them (6.5 stops IBIS, dedicated Video mode with it's own settings, bigger battery, better C-AF etc.). It also seems like the Fuji includes most of the features that a lot of Olympus uses wanted on the MK III - namely Higher resolution EVF (although same as X-T3), higher resolution rear screen, 4K 60 at 10 bit internal, much higher bitrates for all video modes including 1080P, more MP (although to be fair Fuji have done what Olympus did and recycle their X-T3 sensor - but it's still much newer than the one on 2016 EM1 MK II).

All this for a launch price of £1549 body only - £150 less than the EM1 MK III, or £1,949 with the 16-80 F4 (compared to the MKIII and 12-40 pro @ £2,199). For someone just getting into a MLIC system with nothing invested in glass, it does make a very strong case for itself, and will no doubt prove to be very strong competition for the MK III. One good thing is that if competition is very strong, it might drive down the price of the MK III sooner rather than later ?
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.... To be fair I think that the criticisms of the Olympus M1 Mark III come from those who already own a Mark II and because their expectations aren't met. In fact, reading the real-world reviews by Petr Bambousek and Andy Rouse, the Mark III is closer to the M1X Olympus flagship and even has an advantage if the M1X size bothers you.

Also, aren't the sensor sizes of the Olympus and Fuji XT series different? Is that a fair comparison? You wouldn't fairly compare a m4/3 with a full-frame camera.

Price comparisons when saving as little as about £250 are not that relevant when you are buying into a whole system camera with various high quality lenses to buy imo.

If I was still at the stage of considering switching from my Canon EOS system I would be asking myself what I thought of the Fuji XT-4 ergonomics and controls layout, also its weatherproof standard. Methinks I would definitely be staying with my Canon EOS-R full-frame mirrorless rather than switch to the Fuji. And are Fuji lenses any good? (I don't know).

But I agree that having various camera system choices on the market and hence competition is good for the consumer.
 
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RedRobin said:
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Also, aren't the sensor sizes of the Olympus and Fuji XT series different? Is that a fair comparison? You wouldn't fairly compare a m4/3 with a full-frame camera.
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Technically no it's not fair, but Olympus have done so well with the the M4/3 sensor that I think you can compare the systems. IMO there's pretty much nothing to choose between m4/3 and APS-C in terms of IQ (except the DOF).
 
My first photo on the Olympus ED 60mm F/2.8 Macro lens of a living subject rather than a still life :

&#x27;FREDDIE&#x27; by Robin Procter, on Flickr

'Freddie' one of two brother kittens which my daughter has recently bought from a rescue centre. She has created a page for them on Instagram :

https://www.instagram.com/freddieandreubencats/

I am now impatient for the dragonfly season to start as I think this Olympus lens is every bit as good as my Canon EF 100mm F/2.8L IS Macro which is a renowned lens among photographers.
 
RedRobin said:
.... To be fair I think that the criticisms of the Olympus M1 Mark III come from those who already own a Mark II and because their expectations aren't met. In fact, reading the real-world reviews by Petr Bembousek and Andy Rouse, the Mark III is closer to the M1X Olympus flagship and even has an advantage if the M1X size bothers you.

Also, aren't the sensor sizes of the Olympus and Fuji XT series different? Is that a fair comparison? You wouldn't fairly compare a m4/3 with a full-frame camera.

Price comparisons when saving as little as about £250 are not that relevant when you are buying into a whole system camera with various high quality lenses to buy imo.

If I was still at the stage of considering switching from my Canon EOS system I would be asking myself what I thought of the Fuji XT-4 ergonomics and controls layout, also its weatherproof standard. Methinks I would definitely be staying with my Canon EOS-R full-frame mirrorless rather than switch to the Fuji. And are Fuji lenses any good? (I don't know).

But I agree that having various camera system choices on the market and hence competition is good for the consumer.
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Robin, I agree that the MKIII was a bit of a damp squid for those who were looking for a real upgrade to their MK II's. Yes, the sensors are different (EM1 MK III - M4/3 so 18x13.5mm @ 20mp vs X-T4 - APS-C so 23.6x15.6mm @ 26mp). However the M4/3 has a native aspect ratio of 4:3 were as the Fuji is 3:2, so part of the choice is what format you prefer.

To be fair the Fuji lenses are very (very) good overall (like Olympus and Panny/Leica) and not that much bigger than some of the Pro Olympus versions. For me though, not having a fast(ish) long telephoto that's affordable (like the Olympus 300mm F4 Pro), is a bit of a shame and would prevent me from considering it again (yes I know they have the 100-400 Zoom, but I was never that impressed with it and focussing was very slooow....)
 
RedRobin said:
My first photo on the Olympus ED 60mm F/2.8 Macro lens of a living subject rather than a still life :

'FREDDIE' by Robin Procter, on Flickr

'Freddie' one of two brother kittens which my daughter has recently bought from a rescue centre. She has created a page for them on Instagram :

https://www.instagram.com/freddieandreubencats/

I am now impatient for the dragonfly season to start as I think this Olympus lens is every bit as good as my Canon EF 100mm F/2.8L IS Macro which is a renowned lens among photographers.
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That’s a beautiful portrait of Freddie.

Thanks for your reply re the nd filters - lovely shot too, but it’s the panning in bright light I’m interested in - when you need a filter to get slow enough shutter speeds.

I’ve asked Peter Forsgård, the Olympus visionary, about it and I’m hoping he’s going to do a video about it soon. I’m interested to know the limitations.
 
I can try it out for you tomorrow Bebop (my 1X is at home).

What exactly are you looking for, a sort of painterly effect ?
 
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