hi thanks for all the answers i shall try to explain myself a bit better
i plan on 2nd hand unless the new variant is a good offer.
my budget originally will be about £500 which i can add to after so if was a PEN F would be maxed then have to wait a couple of weeks for lenses lol.
lens wise i think 12-40 not sure which variant and 40-150 (not pro) will be my choices.
it's for days out etc. when me and the mrs pop places on a weekend etc.
i have my D500 for wildlife etc.
There have been some cracking deals on the PEN-F at Curry's PC World and SRS for the E-M10 Mkii but neither is there now.
OIympus summer cashback finished on the 31st of July
The E-M1 is around £400 used with the usual dealers. It seems to me that this is the used bargain of the range.
A lot of the top end Olympus customers have traded up to the Mkii which has left quite a glut of well cared for Mki.
The E-M10 Mkii seems to have bounced up a bit since I got mine with them starting around £315 and then upwards.
The best PEN-F I've seen was privately sold for about £550 you're looking at closer to £700 with a dealer
Lenses - the 12-40 f2.8 PRO is reputedly the best Olympus zoom but the best price I've ever seen one go for was £360 privately, you're looking at another £100 for dealer or a new grey.
The 14-42mm variants are a lot cheaper but also slower f3.5 -5.6.
I have the EZ and the II R - the EZ is really small with a motorised zoom, the II R is light but a bit bigger with manual zoom and a lot cheaper.
I tend to use the EZ because it's so tiny and it came bundled with my E-M10 Mkii.
If I were using a larger body or just feeling skint I'd use the II R I can't tell much in performance.
The 2 lens E-M10 Mkii kit at HDEW at £509 covers a lot of bases for not a lot of money.
I think if you priced that up used at dealers you'd struggle to beat it.
You could do a lot better with a private sale, depends on how much you worry about warranty and getting what you want right now