Absolutely, Olympus weather sealing is not to be overlooked for certain scenarios.... Absolutely fair enough and I cannot and do not disagree at all with what you are saying in this post. However, for me personally the Olympus Pro standard of weatherproofing trumps all the other considerations mentioned and the sharpness of Olympus Pro lenses is not in question.
And as a wildlife photographer I don't need many lenses (but I do need two identical bodies).
Either way, I am confident that we have both offered the OP helpful advice.
Whilst waiting for my recently purchased em5 to arrive i am looking at lenses
I am thinking of either oly 12-40 or Panasonic 12-35 would be trading my x100t
Any views on either?
Leaning towards oly at the moment
I have waited a couple of weeks maxIf you ever have to wait a few weeks for an Olympus repair think yourself lucky, i have a forum buddy in Thailand we have known each other for about 6 years, he had a EM10MK11 that needed a new LCD he had to wait 6 months for a repair, not long ago he bought a EM5MK11 and it just failed. He is looking at a possible shutter replacement estimated time 8 months, obviously they don't have the consumer protection that we have.
Likewise, not too bad considering it goes to Portugal.I have waited a couple of weeks max
Capture One, as posted earlier.They shouldn’t be, what software are you using and are you using a preset on import? Are you 100% sure that you have 4:3 set for the raw format?
If you’re shooting raw (orf) and jpeg and both are displaying the 3:2 format but you can revert to 4:3 in the raw file using the crop tool then you must have the aspect ratio in camera set to 3:2Capture One, as posted earlier.
I'm not aware of using a preset. Would a preset apply random different crops to ORFs? If I import the jpg and ORF the ORF shows more image than the jpg (Once I choose the Crop tool).
It's possibly related to the lens corrections. You suggested that the amount of crop varied almost randomly, which might tie into the amount of distortion correction applied. The amount of correction needed affects how curved the edge of the frame becomes, and C1 cuts off the curved edges to give you straight edges again.4:3, like I posted earlier!
the crops on the ORF files are in proportion to the total image.
i shall do some more investigation...
Sorry my memory's terrible4:3, like I posted earlier!
the crops on the ORF files are in proportion to the total image.
i shall do some more investigation...
Or is it as myotis has just posted in that the crops vary depending on the image, and that the jpegs are different to the orfs? If it's the latter, are they still in the 4:3 format but with just fewer pixels, or are they in a completely different ratio?
That's interesting, I've never seen this overlay before on my Olly cameras, but then I've not shot in a different aspect ratio for some time. I wonder if that's been inn one of the firmware updates or whether it's a 1x thing? I'll have to try mine over the weekendOkay, @Pound Coin :
I use CaptureOne (version 2020) like you do and I only shoot RAW and I have just taken a shot to test the change 'Image Aspect' in-camera and to see what happens.
My test is on 16:9 and once set that's the only aspect ratio which the EVF presents to me while I shoot.
After capturing the image, the Playback button shows me the image I captured as a full 4:3 and with the 16:9 frame overlaid. This overlaid white frame style is exactly as if I had enlarged the playback view as it places any enlargement frame in the context of the whole image which was originally captured.
Surely if pixels outside the set Image Aspect were thrown away you simply wouldn't see them in Playback.
In case it's relevant, I shoot an E-M1X with latest firmware.
Even before I have uploaded the RAW file into CaptureOne (which I will do later when I have shot more images) I am confident that CaptureOne will allow me to revise my shot aspect in editing and therefore does not throw away pixels. Also CaptureOne's behaviour is non-destructive and so the original full 4:3 image will remain whatever cropping edits you do. It will even restore your Adjustments should you wish to start afresh.
Btw, the quickest way to access this setting is as @snerkler shows in his Reply #17,888 > Via the LV button.
I hope this helps but can report again when card is uploaded later today. I have a dawn til dusk day out tomorrow and will empty my card in readiness.
Ahh so are you saying that you get 'bars' above and below the 3:2 image to 'illustrate' that it's been cropped and that it's not that you can see the full image shaded out by the overlay?ADDENDA to my Reply #17,894 :
Quoted from my E-M1X Manual which I have now read :
" JPEG images are recorded at the selected aspect ratio. RAW images are the same size as the image sensor and are recorded at an aspect ratio of 4:3 with a tag indicating the aspect ratio selected. A crop indicating the selected aspect ratio is displayed when images are played back. "
Which matches what I have reported earlier. So, if you want to further revise your crop after shooting and uploading to your image editor, shoot RAW and not JPEG as others here have already advised. I guess that if you shoot both together (RAW to one card and JPEG to the other card onboard) then the options later will be directly according to which format the image file is.
I don't know what the relationship is between Adobe (Lightroom) and Olympus but I have been told that PhaseOne, who develop CaptureOne, have a very good relationship with Olympus. In other words, my money is on CaptureOne not compromising the Olympus created image as set by the photographer.
Ahh so are you saying that you get 'bars' above and below the 3:2 image to 'illustrate' that it's been cropped and that it's not that you can see the full image shaded out by the overlay?
When I click on the crop tool in Capture One the image is often, but not always, already cropped.
I think this could be the distortion correction which is already applied before you start making any changes to the image.
Sorry I missed that, the thread has been rather fast moving.This is what I thought in an earlier post https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/t...-m10-mark-2-owners-thread.395080/post-8586395
Sorry I missed that, the thread has been rather fast moving.
I think I know what you mean. When you said overlay I had it in my head that it was shaded out but could still see the full image underneath if that makes sense? Yes most camera show the crop by putting an overlay or border over/around the image, but I always thought it was black not white for some reason (maybe I'm confusing it with Nikon).
I have only selected 16:9, not 3:2, and the playback is as I described in my earlier Reply #17,894. There is no shading out whatsoever - What I have called an 'overlay' is a white framed box showing the exact Image Aspect (16:9 in this case) on the whole 4:3 sensor's capture hence strongly suggesting, if not proving, that all of the RAW 4:3 image is captured regardless of the user selecting a different Image Aspect.
It is great to have this 'backup'. Thinking about it, I've never actually checked whether other manufacturers do this as I don't think I've ever shot the Nikon with anything other than 3:2. I'll have to try shooting 4:3 at some point and see if the raw has saved the full 3:2 fileThose who shoot RAW are rather more serious about their photography [sorry, I am generalising to be able to describe it] and are given every part of the 4/3 sensor's captured data - They can revise/refine their cropping in post-processing but have the useful ability to view a subject in a particular chosen aspect ratio and compose without distraction while shooting.
I think this could be the distortion correction which is already applied before you start making any changes to the image.
I have just tested this on a picture I shot using 12-100 f/4 IS PRO. The preview thumbnail shows a slight crop after I have imported into Capture One 20 Pro. When I set the distortion slider to zero the crop goes away but you do see the slightly distorted edges & in my case a little vignetting (think I had a CP on top of another filter). Untick "Hide Distorted areas" to see this.
Also but maybe not what you talking about. In an update to Capture One in version 20, the crop tool behaves slightly differently now to make it more intuitive than before.
Hope that helps.
.... I had to delve very deeply in CaptureOne 20 to find a 'Lens Correction' palette. No lenses of mine, Canon or Olympus, display a Profile in it but the 'Hide Distorted Areas' is ticked, by default, but all greyed out. What am I missing? I have never spotted anything in any of my CaptureOne converted images which show any distortion to my naked eye.
But in any event, surely such correction would be extremely slight if compared to what we are talking about in Image Aspect cropping.
In C1 v20 the Crop Tool has been greatly improved to be both more intuitive and by reducing cursor travel distances to Menus.
I assume that maybe because they are not lenses they have added/support? List here.
So are the files showing in the correct aspect (ie 4:3) but just with a slightly reduced file size/slightly less mp?Well, thanks all, in particular the lens correction team! I think that's what is gong on here.
What I now need to do is see where it is turned on, but tbh, I don't mind it, and will probably carry on with it as it is, but at least that conundrum is solved!
I must have downloaded, wittingly or unwittingly, lens profiles.
No lenses of mine, Canon or Olympus, display a Profile in it but the 'Hide Distorted Areas' is ticked, by default, but all greyed out. What am I missing? I have never spotted anything in any of my CaptureOne converted images which show any distortion to my naked eye.
I must have downloaded, wittingly or unwittingly, lens profiles.
What does it say in the Profile field?
With lenses on mirrorless cameras, the correction is built into the lens Exif, by the camera maker. It should say manufacturers profile rather than identifying the lens. For long lenses, there tends to be so little distortion that it's not worth correcting and I think you just get a generic profile installed.
Some times Phase One think they can make better profiles than the manufacturer and you find that even with mirrorless lenses there is named profile produced by Phase One.
Well, thanks all, in particular the lens correction team! I think that's what is going on here.
What I now need to do is see where it is turned on, but tbh, I don't mind it, and will probably carry on with it as it is, but at least that conundrum is solved!
I must have downloaded, wittingly or unwittingly, lens profiles.
I think this page covers it well and states "Some manufacturers supply enough data in the RAW file that we can use to also correct for lens errors."
What does it say in the Profile field?
With lenses on mirrorless cameras, the correction is built into the lens Exif, by the camera maker. It should say manufacturers profile rather than identifying the lens. For long lenses, there tends to be so little distortion that it's not worth correcting and I think you just get a generic profile installed.
Some times Phase One think they can make better profiles than the manufacturer and you find that even with mirrorless lenses there is named profile produced by Phase One.
I think this page covers it well and states "Some manufacturers supply enough data in the RAW file that we can use to also correct for lens errors."
https://blog.captureone.com/lens-correction-in-capture-one-the-essentials/
I think this could be the distortion correction which is already applied before you start making any changes to the image.
I have just tested this on a picture I shot using 12-100 f/4 IS PRO. The preview thumbnail shows a slight crop after I have imported into Capture One 20 Pro. When I set the distortion slider to zero the crop goes away but you do see the slightly distorted edges & in my case a little vignetting (think I had a CP on top of another filter). Untick "Hide Distorted areas" to see this.
The vignetting hasn't bothered me as it gets chopped off due to the other lens corrections and only occurs if I stick a filter or two on the front. It is a very handy lens & I'm pleased that capture one has a it covered..... Such extensive zoom range lenses when their widest is what we call a 'wide-angle' lens has more complicated optics and mechanisms internally and it is a well-known fact that many, regardless of brand, suffer from vignetting at their widest angle. Being a 12-100mm (24-200mm equivalent), the lens you tested is such a lens. It is reassuring that CaptureOne are addressing this issue via Lens Correction but it's buried so deep that I didn't know the palette even existed until today.
I had a Canon EOS RF 24-240mm (mirrorless) on trial and sent it back because of extremely bad (hard black ungraduated!) corner vignetting. Canon suggested I could solve it by cropping in their DPP software but I wasn't interested in living with such an issue. I reported this in detail in the EOS-R thread here on TP.
.... That's a nice dark and rich image, befitting the whisky you will have to force yourself to drink! I hope you don't add any ice or water! It would be sacrilege!
Your first Olympus shot deserves a Whisky shot!