The 20-21 season football thread

Why would you bet against your national team?
Traitor..... :LOL:


Peter Cook always bet against Spurs. If they won, he could drink to their success and if they lost, he could drink to winning a bet. Not sure what he did if there was a draw!!!
 
You were watching a different game then, Saka came on for Trippier after 70 minutes. I will again mention the "great white hope" Mason Mount, where was he during the game?

Taking off Henderson when you are going into a penalty shoot out, I can't get my head around that. He's taken penalties & free kicks for Liverpool in the past, and I also noticed that Sterling wasn't in that first 5 either.
I plead :beer: :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:
 
Queen Victoria died 44,000 days ago today.
22,000 days have passed since Spurs won the the league.
Therefore as of tomorrow, Spurs’ last league title win will officially be closer to the Victorian age than the present day!
 
As a Leicester City supporter I am fed up of reading about various Fox's players being 'chased' by so called 'big six clubs.
The latest 'news' :D is Arsenal's interest in James Maddison.
"Arsenal to take Maddison to the next level"

The report obviously means the next level down. ;)
 
As a Leicester City supporter I am fed up of reading about various Fox's players being 'chased' by so called 'big six clubs.
The latest 'news' :D is Arsenal's interest in James Maddison.
"Arsenal to take Maddison to the next level"

The report obviously means the next level down. ;)

But you seem to have a great business of buying players cheap and selling on!
 
But you seem to have a great business of buying players cheap and selling on!
To the best of my knowledge all the players LCFC have sold over the last few years, Kante, Marez, Drinkwater, Macguire, Chilwell all wanted to move on to 'bigger clubs' clubs where they could win 'things' play in Europe and no doubt get paid more. This is why it is important that Leicester are seen to be successful and are seen as a 'big club' winning the FA Cup will no doubt help. Missing out on champions league again obviously doesn't help.
Leicester have very wealthy owners but do not have the stadium capacity or marketing income to compete with the 'big six' and while their top players earn salaries of 100,000+ a week (Vardy reportedly 140,000) they cannot compete with United, City, Chelsea et al.
Last season they moved to their new 'world leading' training ground at Seagrave and plans to extend the stadium capacity have been approved.
These are 'heady' times for Leicester City supporters. :D
 
To the best of my knowledge all the players LCFC have sold over the last few years, Kante, Marez, Drinkwater, Macguire, Chilwell all wanted to move on to 'bigger clubs' clubs where they could win 'things' play in Europe and no doubt get paid more. This is why it is important that Leicester are seen to be successful and are seen as a 'big club' winning the FA Cup will no doubt help. Missing out on champions league again obviously doesn't help.
Leicester have very wealthy owners but do not have the stadium capacity or marketing income to compete with the 'big six' and while their top players earn salaries of 100,000+ a week (Vardy reportedly 140,000) they cannot compete with United, City, Chelsea et al.
Last season they moved to their new 'world leading' training ground at Seagrave and plans to extend the stadium capacity have been approved.
These are 'heady' times for Leicester City supporters. :D

I heard on the radio today that Leicester have announced plans to expand the capacity of the stadium from 32,312 to 40,000 with 8000 seats to be added to the East Stand. This would take it from being the 13th to the 10th largest Premiere League stadium. Along with this are plans to build a 220 -room hotel, a multi-purpose event and entertainment area and a multi-storey car park. All this will go to a public consultation next month lasting through the summer into Autumn.

Vardy's current contract puts him on £140,000 a week. Just under £7.3 million per annum. for 2021/22 and also the following season. I expect he gets sponsorship on top of that. He's 35 now so maybe at the end of the 2022/23 season that will do him. As you'll know he opted out of International duties after the 2018 World Cup but had 'left the door open'. I'd like to see him play even though there are excellent youngsters available in his position but his skill and experience would be invaluable. It's probably too late now.
 
I was thinking about the transfer gossip but to be honest that's all a lot of it is so hardly worth it. There are some confirmations coming through ,though.

I found a list of 'done deals' on talkSport. From what I've heard quite a few are on the way out of Spurs. Seven confirmed so far not including Kane... yet .There's quite a way to go yet to the close of the window. 11.00pm Tuesday August 31st.


I see that Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea are playing 'friendlies' in August ...an oxymoron if ever there was one :D The Premiere League have linked up with MIND to raise funds for the charity. I think this has to be as first. The proceeds will be split between MIND and the respective club Foundations which support mental welfare within their communities. Football clubs do a lot of community work which, I think, in the main, goes under the radar.

Arsenal v Chelsea: Sunday 1st August, Emirates Stadium, 15:00

Chelsea v Tottenham Hotspur: Wednesday 4th August, Stamford Bridge, 19:45

Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal: Sunday 8th August, Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, 14:00

On talkSport I heard Eddie Hearne, a sports promotor, mainly boxing now,I think, and he was telling how he went to a hotel in the Caribbean after the Euros and saw Jordon Pickford and related a tale about that and he also related a story about seeing Raheem Sterling in Ibiza a couple of years ago when Sterling thrilled kids on the beach by playing football with them.

Didn't expect to find the clip but it's here. Worth a listen. He starts with Pickford and then comes on to Sterling.

 
I've been reading about potential financial problems for West Ham
Porn brothers trying to raise some cash https://www.hammers.news/news/west-...-and-david-gold-decide-to-sell-shares-report/
Can see them cashing in on Declan Rice very soon if the right bid comes in.


Last I heard he wanted out with Manchester United , Manchesterr City and Chelsea favourites. £100m + asking price. In the light of what you've posted that may well happen although they want to keep him . They may not have the luxury of that option now.
 
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I was thinking about the transfer gossip but to be honest that's all a lot of it is so hardly worth it. There are some confirmations coming through ,though.

I found a list of 'done deals' on talkSport. From what I've heard quite a few are on the way out of Spurs. Seven confirmed so far not including Kane... yet .There's quite a way to go yet to the close of the window. 11.00pm Tuesday August 31st.


I see that Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea are playing 'friendlies' in August ...an oxymoron if ever there was one :D The Premiere League have linked up with MIND to raise funds for the charity. I think this has to be as first. The proceeds will be split between MIND and the respective club Foundations which support mental welfare within their communities. Football clubs do a lot of community work which, I think, in the main, goes under the radar.

Arsenal v Chelsea: Sunday 1st August, Emirates Stadium, 15:00

Chelsea v Tottenham Hotspur: Wednesday 4th August, Stamford Bridge, 19:45

Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal: Sunday 8th August, Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, 14:00

On talkSport I heard Eddie Hearne, a sports promotor, mainly boxing now,I think, and he was telling how he went to a hotel in the Caribbean after the Euros and saw Jordon Pickford and related a tale about that and he also related a story about seeing Raheem Sterling in Ibiza a couple of years ago when Sterling thrilled kids on the beach by playing football with them.

Didn't expect to find the clip but it's here. Worth a listen. He starts with Pickford and then comes on to Sterling.

Reckon you are right, can see him going to Chelsea, not made many signings yet
Bit more here on West Ham and their financial issues https://www.footballinsider247.com/west-ham-80m-takeover-issue-detailed-by-maguire/

From what I saw in the Euro Championship I would be enquiring if Chiesa was for sale.
Can imagine him suiting Liverpool's style of play perfectly, very impressed with him.

Apart from Man City I can't see anyone wanting Kane at that sort of price
Injury prone 28 year old who looked less than impressive recently and not suited to a fast dynamic style of play.
Now Son has re-signed at Spurs maybe his best bet is staying there, also seems wrong to sign a long contract then want to leave
 
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Reckon you are right, can see him going to Chelsea, not made many signings yet
Bit more here on West Ham and their financial issues https://www.footballinsider247.com/west-ham-80m-takeover-issue-detailed-by-maguire/

From what I saw in the Euro Championship I would be enquiring if Chiesa was for sale.
Can imagine him suiting Liverpool's style of play perfectly, very impressed with him.

Apart from Man City I can't see anyone wanting Kane at that sort of price
Injury prone 28 year old who looked less than impressive recently and not suited to a fast dynamic style of play.
Now Son has re-signed at Spurs maybe his best bet is staying there, also seems wrong to sign a long contract then want to leave
That's an interesting read. Yes,.. a great player Chiesa. I see Juventus paid £54m for him in October last year but only on a 2 year contract.I recall the spat between West Ham and Daniel Levy over the purchase of the Olympic/London Stadium. I think Levy had plans to demolish it whereas West Ham would build a running track. I assume the Olympic Committee didn't like the idea of having their stadium which cost £500million..demolished.I don't know who built it..ie paid for it .

Man City have balked at the £160m ( I think) price tag for Kane and won't pay it.They will pay £100m and even include a couple of their players. Could that be a tactic by Levy to keep him despite a 'gentleman's agreement ' that Kane says he has with Levy. The new manager NE Santo..(excuse the shortend version..lol) seems to think Kane will stay but has said he won't be speaking to him until next week..August 2nd. That's next Monday. Wishful thinking in my opinion. To date Spurs haven't brought anyone in that would tempt Kane to stay. As you say, maybe the only influence for him to stay is that Son has signed a new contract and they're a great partnership. I think it might hinge on who Spurs bring in. He's done more than his bit for the club and needs to put his ambitions for silverware first. I don't think there's a Spurs fan that would begrudge him that either. Their ire is directed at Levy for the most part and has been for some time ..way before the issue with Harry Kane.

As you'll know City's priority is to replace Sergio Aguero, with Kane but also in the frame is Erling Haaland, Romelu Lukaku and Lautaro Martinez.

They will pay £130m for Haarland. From what I've read and heard the player is a genius. He's only 20 years old too ..Harry Kane is 27and, as you mentioned, prone to those ankle injuries. I expect that's in the equation.Inter Milan need to raise £80m and Lukaku is their prized asset. If he does go then Manchester United gain from a contact clause re sale within a certain period but Lukaku has stated he won't be leaving IM. Martinez ,also Inter Milan..will cost Man City £98m and City will double his £38,000 a week wages which is a point of contention he has with Inter..not enough says Martinez.. him or his agent .:)Ironically, Martinez is now ahead of Argentina's hitherto leading goal scorer for the national team ..none other than..er.. Aguero..lol.

I can't recall such an interesting transfer window. What is great for us here in the UK is that the Premiership attracts the world's best. I'm really looking forward to seeing this Erland Haarland. Norwegian,I see. Manchester United have four Norwegian players and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, of course. I used to call him..Olly Golly Sunshine..lol. It was easier. I don't know where deals are at but I heard he was costing too much for United but had he been in the frame the Norway links could have been the deal-maker.
 
I think there will be many teams affected financially because of all the stuff that has been going on, and the big two in Spain particularly seemingly not in a position to scoop in and cream off the top players will affect the market too. There may not be the number of transfers, and at as high fees.

The new Premier League homegrown rules state a club cannot register more than 17 non-homegrown players in their squad of 25 may also affect prices of British players.

What exactly is a homegrown player, then?

It’s someone who spent at least 36 months with a club from either England or Wales (not Scotland) before turning 21. Those 36 months don’t necessarily need to be continuous, though they almost always are. Now, anyone 21 and under doesn’t need registering. Some teams will have to wheel and deal to stay within those rules.

Liverpool have been linked with Chiesa, and supposedly put in a bid, but you never know how real these stories are. :thinking: There are some links that appear from nowhere that seem to be linking Liverpool to get a better contract for a player at the team they are at, or push up prices for selling teams. Liverpool may also have to sell before buying big, which contradicts the Chiesa bid. They have sold a few fringe players over the last week or so, but may also sell some of their foreign players they have to make space for any they plan to buy. I think some other teams will have to wheel and deal to stay within the foreign player limit rules.

Liverpool have done something different this pre-season by taking a large squad to one country, Austria, for nearly a month to not get caught up with coming in and out of the UK, and other countries, with the changing Covid rules. They also did something I had never seen before by having their first pre-season games as two 30 minute games, against Wacker Innsbruck and Stuttgart, one after the other with different line ups. The idea was to have more intense games for 30 mins, and negate the inevitable fading and going through the motions towards the end of the 90 min games. They are also going to have two games at Anfield on consecutive days. They are certainly trying some things different.
 
I think there will be many teams affected financially because of all the stuff that has been going on, and the big two in Spain particularly seemingly not in a position to scoop in and cream off the top players will affect the market too. There may not be the number of transfers, and at as high fees.

The new Premier League homegrown rules state a club cannot register more than 17 non-homegrown players in their squad of 25 may also affect prices of British players.

What exactly is a homegrown player, then?

It’s someone who spent at least 36 months with a club from either England or Wales (not Scotland) before turning 21. Those 36 months don’t necessarily need to be continuous, though they almost always are. Now, anyone 21 and under doesn’t need registering. Some teams will have to wheel and deal to stay within those rules.

Liverpool have been linked with Chiesa, and supposedly put in a bid, but you never know how real these stories are. :thinking: There are some links that appear from nowhere that seem to be linking Liverpool to get a better contract for a player at the team they are at, or push up prices for selling teams. Liverpool may also have to sell before buying big, which contradicts the Chiesa bid. They have sold a few fringe players over the last week or so, but may also sell some of their foreign players they have to make space for any they plan to buy. I think some other teams will have to wheel and deal to stay within the foreign player limit rules.

Liverpool have done something different this pre-season by taking a large squad to one country, Austria, for nearly a month to not get caught up with coming in and out of the UK, and other countries, with the changing Covid rules. They also did something I had never seen before by having their first pre-season games as two 30 minute games, against Wacker Innsbruck and Stuttgart, one after the other with different line ups. The idea was to have more intense games for 30 mins, and negate the inevitable fading and going through the motions towards the end of the 90 min games. They are also going to have two games at Anfield on consecutive days. They are certainly trying some things different.

I went to an Austrian League game at Wacker many years ago. It was at Easter and a local derby, decent crowd and good match if memory serves me right.
 
Reckon you are right, can see him going to Chelsea, not made many signings yet
Bit more here on West Ham and their financial issues https://www.footballinsider247.com/west-ham-80m-takeover-issue-detailed-by-maguire/

From what I saw in the Euro Championship I would be enquiring if Chiesa was for sale.
Can imagine him suiting Liverpool's style of play perfectly, very impressed with him.

Apart from Man City I can't see anyone wanting Kane at that sort of price
Injury prone 28 year old who looked less than impressive recently and not suited to a fast dynamic style of play.
Now Son has re-signed at Spurs maybe his best bet is staying there, also seems wrong to sign a long contract then want to leave
This also protects the club - it means he is worth something as opposed to running contract down and having to sell him with 12 months left for 25m or for free.
 
Pogba is supposedly being linked with Liverpool! :oops: :$ His agent is apparently offering him to Liverpool. o_O Seems like nobody is after Pogba, but his agent must fancy a summer bonus. ;) :LOL:

Can you imagine how the Pogba BS bandwagon could mess up Liverpool! :LOL: As soon as I saw the above, bargepole kept jumping into my head. ;)

That was yesterday, today he is being 'linked' with PSG, though apparently he sees his long term future with Utd, but won't sign an extension! :thinking: :LOL:
 
Pogba is supposedly being linked with Liverpool! :oops: :$ His agent is apparently offering him to Liverpool. o_O Seems like nobody is after Pogba, but his agent must fancy a summer bonus. ;) :LOL:

Can you imagine how the Pogba BS bandwagon could mess up Liverpool! :LOL: As soon as I saw the above, bargepole kept jumping into my head. ;)

That was yesterday, today he is being 'linked' with PSG, though apparently he sees his long term future with Utd, but won't sign an extension! :thinking: :LOL:
 
Pogba is supposedly being linked with Liverpool! :oops: :$ His agent is apparently offering him to Liverpool. o_O Seems like nobody is after Pogba, but his agent must fancy a summer bonus. ;) :LOL:

Can you imagine how the Pogba BS bandwagon could mess up Liverpool! :LOL: As soon as I saw the above, bargepole kept jumping into my head. ;)

That was yesterday, today he is being 'linked' with PSG, though apparently he sees his long term future with Utd, but won't sign an extension! :thinking: :LOL:

I'm not surte that he'd be a good buy for Liverpool now. He's 28 and on £290,000 a week (£15m a year plus whatever else re sponsorship deals).Having said that they signed Thiago Alcantara (£25m)..a top class midfielder last September and he's 30. I suppose you could call Pogba a central midfielder too but he has the ability to attack and defend.They need to get down the average age of the squad,though. I had a quick check.

Henderson is 31 and Liverpool, as far as I know, haven't completed a new contract with him but want him to stay. He is a bit of as rock as he is with the England squad.
Van Dijk is 30...Gomez 34.. ..Milner 35..(how does he do it ?..I want what he has for breakfast :D ) Shaqiri...Matip .. Firmino ..Kanté and Salah..all 29.

There's another 4 weeks..August 31st 11.00pm.. before the window closes. The season kicks off on Saturday the 14th. with Spur at home to....er..Manchester City :D


Will Grealish will go to Manchester City for the £100 million that Ciy have offered Villa ? It's the highest transfer fee ever in the Premiere League.Villa are said to have offered Grealish a lucrative contract to stay. Thing is, he plays in the same positon..left side.. as Phil Foden has this last season and Foden has been excellent in that portion.

MC are not going to pay the £160m that Levy wants for Kanes so, at that asking price that transfer is non-starter and Levy knows it.. with the gentleman's agreement with Kane of no consequence.Kane has said that he has a gentleman's agreement with Levy that if they didn't win any trophies this season he would be allowed to leave. Levy is a hard-nosed businessman and has a reputation for that. I don't think the term 'gentlemanm's agreement' is in his vocabulary. I understand that Kane was at training today.
 
I'm not surte that he'd be a good buy for Liverpool now. He's 28 and on £290,000 a week (£15m a year plus whatever else re sponsorship deals).Having said that they signed Thiago Alcantara (£25m)..a top class midfielder last September and he's 30. I suppose you could call Pogba a central midfielder too but he has the ability to attack and defend.They need to get down the average age of the squad,though. I had a quick check.

Henderson is 31 and Liverpool, as far as I know, haven't completed a new contract with him but want him to stay. He is a bit of as rock as he is with the England squad.
Van Dijk is 30...Gomez 34.. ..Milner 35..(how does he do it ?..I want what he has for breakfast :D ) Shaqiri...Matip .. Firmino ..Kanté and Salah..all 29.
Joe Gomez is 24, not 34. And I assume you meant Mane rather than Kante. ;)

Liverpool are an ageing side, as are all, but I don't think they are the oldest team in the Premier League. I found out here that they were the 13th oldest squad last season. And the physical phenom that is Milner takes the average up a bit. ;) :LOL: The majority of players are under 30, and in theory the ones 26-30 are at their peak, unless they stay at the level beyond 30, ;) but time will tell. Jota (24) came in to put pressure on Firmino (29), Mane (29) and Salah (29), and to also have the option of playing all four and brings in the youth into the attack. No doubt they will bring in another forward at some point if Firmino and Mane have as poor goal returns as this last season, but Elliott may step up and get close to his potential to be another option, and he is only 18. Konate (22) has been brought in to add quality and youth to the defence. Quality we will wait and see at least. ;)
There's another 4 weeks..August 31st 11.00pm.. before the window closes. The season kicks off on Saturday the 14th. with Spur at home to....er..Manchester City :D


Will Grealish will go to Manchester City for the £100 million that City have offered Villa ? It's the highest transfer fee ever in the Premiere League.Villa are said to have offered Grealish a lucrative contract to stay. Thing is, he plays in the same positon..left side.. as Phil Foden has this last season and Foden has been excellent in that portion.

MC are not going to pay the £160m that Levy wants for Kanes so, at that asking price that transfer is non-starter and Levy knows it.. with the gentleman's agreement with Kane of no consequence.Kane has said that he has a gentleman's agreement with Levy that if they didn't win any trophies this season he would be allowed to leave. Levy is a hard-nosed businessman and has a reputation for that. I don't think the term 'gentlemanm's agreement' is in his vocabulary. I understand that Kane was at training today.
Everything is up in the air for many players atm. Kane seems to be in a bit of a limbo situation. No doubt he will get goals, but it seen as fragile injury wise. Real seemingly do not have the money, where I could have seen him playing and fitting in the best. Would he play as many games as Aguero has over the last few years! :thinking: Aguero's goals have been the difference between winning stuff or not. Potentially worth it if him keeps them winning stuff at the top, and in theory these 3-4 years may be his peak years, injuries aside.
 
Joe Gomez is 24, not 34. And I assume you meant Mane rather than Kante. ;)

Liverpool are an ageing side, as are all, but I don't think they are the oldest team in the Premier League. I found out here that they were the 13th oldest squad last season. And the physical phenom that is Milner takes the average up a bit. ;) :LOL: The majority of players are under 30, and in theory the ones 26-30 are at their peak, unless they stay at the level beyond 30, ;) but time will tell. Jota (24) came in to put pressure on Firmino (29), Mane (29) and Salah (29), and to also have the option of playing all four and brings in the youth into the attack. No doubt they will bring in another forward at some point if Firmino and Mane have as poor goal returns as this last season, but Elliott may step up and get close to his potential to be another option, and he is only 18. Konate (22) has been brought in to add quality and youth to the defence. Quality we will wait and see at least. ;)

Everything is up in the air for many players atm. Kane seems to be in a bit of a limbo situation. No doubt he will get goals, but it seen as fragile injury wise. Real seemingly do not have the money, where I could have seen him playing and fitting in the best. Would he play as many games as Aguero has over the last few years! :thinking: Aguero's goals have been the difference between winning stuff or not. Potentially worth it if him keeps them winning stuff at the top, and in theory these 3-4 years may be his peak years, injuries aside.


News this morning is that Kane failed to turn up for training in protest at Levy basically, not letting him go. There's talk of a six-figure sum fine.
 
Is the "penalty problem" now about to be solved? https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...r-league-players-buying-a-penalty-next-season
“I think that the feedback we’ve had from players, both attackers and defenders, [is that] you want it to be a proper foul that has a consequence, not something that somebody has used slight to contact to go over, and we’ve given the penalty to reward it.”

Riley said he hoped the rules would help to persuade players to stay on their feet in the box. Under the new guidance, the penalty Raheem Sterling won for England against Denmark in the Euro 2020 semi-final would not have been given and, if it had, the decision would be expected to be overturned by VAR.
 
Oh bo****ks ! . . Leicester's brilliant young centreback Wesley Forfana suffers a broken leg due to a very bad tackle in last night's friendly against Villarreal. :mad:
 
Why would Maddison be interested in Arsenal?

Who is likely to finish high this and next season, who has the better manager? Yes, Arsenal are a bigger club and great history, but with an awful manager and squad.

Also, why spend 70m on him - we are in need of better defenders and strikers!!!
 
I was listening to Neil Warnock (a very down to earth person) on talkSport this morning..Radio Five Live is wall to wall Olympics..and his opinion is that Kane will go to Manchester City and Levy will get his £160 million..but at the last minute of the window. I don't think Levy is the 'great' negotiator he has a reputation for because he's lost quality players by delaying and delaying and playing hard ball. ENIC (investment company) own Spurs and believed to be worth £1.6billion.Last year Spurs were the 9th highest earning football club in the world with an annual revenue of £391 million .The owner of ENIC/Spurs is Joe Lewis ..a cockney..is estimated to be worth £4.3billion. So.. does Levy really need to be so hard-nosed ? He's been chairman for 20 years,now.

Interesting CV of Lewis..https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5186973/joe-lewis-tottenham-owner-tiger-woods/

Meantime..https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/04/harry-kane-spends-further-time-in-florida-and-delays-tottenham-return


I hope this doesn't tarnish his otherwise good standing with fans. he's been Spurs through and through. It;s certainly angered Levy. Nice start for Nuno E.Santo. :rolleyes:

If Levy had a gentleman's agreement with Kane it shoukd stanbd. If Kane says he did have such an agreement I belkieve Kan. Alex Ferguson had a similar agreement in 2008 with Ronaldo when he wanted to leave for Real Madrid and Fergie asked him to stay just one more season and then he'd be free to go and that's what happened.It was all tied up in a contract with RM.


Interesting article re why Levy sacked Mourinho. In the event he, Levy has lost Bale and possibly Kane. Son has signed a new deal. The article is based on information from Eurosport. Levy is also known for keeping things close to his chest so you have to ask how did Eurosport get this take on it.

 
Grealish moves to Cit€h for £100m, and Messi is leaving Barcelona. :oops: :$

It will be interesting to see who makes space for Grealish, and how many games he plays at £100m. :thinking:

It will also be interesting to see who can afford Messi's wages! :oops: :$

The way it has played out at Barcelona seems like the best way Messi could leave from a PR POV, and there not be any 'villains'. Messi agrees to take a huge pay cut in wages to stay, and sign for 5 years. Club say great as long as they can sell some players and make the numbers add up. Barca now say they can't make it work and 'adios, and thanks for the goals'. :rolleyes:
 
Grealish moves to Cit€h for £100m, and Messi is leaving Barcelona. :oops: :$

It will be interesting to see who makes space for Grealish, and how many games he plays at £100m. :thinking:

It will also be interesting to see who can afford Messi's wages! :oops: :$

The way it has played out at Barcelona seems like the best way Messi could leave from a PR POV, and there not be any 'villains'. Messi agrees to take a huge pay cut in wages to stay, and sign for 5 years. Club say great as long as they can sell some players and make the numbers add up. Barca now say they can't make it work and 'adios, and thanks for the goals'. :rolleyes:

Messi will be relatively cheap despite wages.

Think about Maddison - lets sat Arsenal get him for 70m on 200k per week. On a 3 year deal thats 30m in wages.

Messi comes in on 3 year deal for free - pay him 400k per week and thats 60m in wages - still 40m than having Maddison (although he may have a sell on value if sold early or contract extended).

Seems strange as if its money he is after, only the big PL clubs and PSG are likely to afford him - maybe Bayern (depends on the finance rules there), cant see him at any other Spanish club or joining Ronaldo at Juve. Maybe AC at a push.

But coming to the PL is a risk, toughest league and could affect his reputation/legacy if it doesn't work out. Surely money cant be too important for him?
 
The problem I see with Messi's wages, whether he takes a big reduction on what he is on now or not, (I doubt it) is that it has a potentially inflationary effect on the rest of a teams wages he goes to, and maybe the average league wages, as players seek something closer, especially in the Premier League where there are, in theory, more teams competing at the top.

There was little need for Barcelona to offer the massive wages they were offering players other than Messi, playing for Barca should have been the draw, with a modest increase in wages from a previous club, but Barca went crazy, and are paying for it now. Whether Messi's wages were are bargaining chip for new players, who knows.

The are some top players in top teams who have contracts that say they match whatever the highest wages are in a team, Messi goes somewhere like that and suddenly you have at least two players on a potentially £300-600k a week, and then that trickles down to the rest.

I can't think of anyone who could afford the wages, and stay within any financial rules during/post Covid, outside of China and maybe America. Like I said earlier, it's going to be interesting. ;)
 
Messi will be relatively cheap despite wages.

Think about Maddison - lets sat Arsenal get him for 70m on 200k per week. On a 3 year deal thats 30m in wages.
Well, as a Leicester supporter, I don't want to lose Maddison. However 70m would make me think long and hard. He (Maddison) Is physically 'lightweight' and cannot stay on his feet. He vies with Jack Grealish for time spent on his arse. He has also been injury prone over the last 2 seasons. I would far sooner Leicester retain Youri Tielemans.
 
Well, as a Leicester supporter, I don't want to lose Maddison. However 70m would make me think long and hard. He (Maddison) Is physically 'lightweight' and cannot stay on his feet. He vies with Jack Grealish for time spent on his arse. He has also been injury prone over the last 2 seasons. I would far sooner Leicester retain Youri Tielemans.
Agree, Maddison is a good player but not 70m (although if Pepe is…)

tielemans would be a much better signing for arsenal if we were to buy off Leicester.
 
I can't think of anyone who could afford the wages, and stay within any financial rules during/post Covid, outside of China and maybe America. Like I said earlier, it's going to be interesting. ;)
I'm guessing PSG will make it work somehow if they want him. Just write him down over so many years avoid FFP.
 
Just reading a bit more about the Messi saga on the BBC. With Messi's wages Barca were paying 110% of their income in players wages, without Messi they are paying 95% of their income to players wages. :oops: :$ How is that any way to run a sustainable business! :rolleyes: They are still over the financial rules without Messi, but this quote from the Barca President, "Laporta admitted he thought La Liga would "be more flexible with fair play" and accept their contract proposals with Messi." just shows how they think they can continue flaunting the rules imho, and shows they have learnt nothing from the position they are in.

You can see why they want the 'Super League', and still haven't given up on it. Barca and Real have apparently vetoed a new sponsor for La Liga because one of the company's stipulations was that no teams could leave the league for the length of the contract.
 
I'm guessing PSG will make it work somehow if they want him. Just write him down over so many years avoid FFP.
PSG were mentioned on the BBC. Messi, Mbappe and Neymar is some forward line, and it seems that the French financial rules may be a bit more lenient, or maybe non existent, seeing as PSG have added Ramos and Donnarumma to a squad that was already costing over £200m a year in wages.

For comparison, the highest wages in the Premier League are paying £188m. (guess who that is? and I think you would be wrong ;) :LOL:)

Looking on this site is quite interesting to see how much teams around Europe are paying in wages each year, and as I said above, PSG are paying £202m (before Ramos, Donnarumma and potentially Messi are added) and last year's winners of Ligue 1, Lille, their annual wage bill was £25m. :oops: :$:clap::clap::clap: Neymar's wages were more than the whole of the Lille squad! :oops: :$ :rolleyes:
 
PSG were mentioned on the BBC. Messi, Mbappe and Neymar is some forward line, and it seems that the French financial rules may be a bit more lenient, or maybe non existent, seeing as PSG have added Ramos and Donnarumma to a squad that was already costing over £200m a year in wages.

For comparison, the highest wages in the Premier League are paying £188m. (guess who that is? and I think you would be wrong ;) :LOL:)

Looking on this site is quite interesting to see how much teams around Europe are paying in wages each year, and as I said above, PSG are paying £202m (before Ramos, Donnarumma and potentially Messi are added) and last year's winners of Ligue 1, Lille, their annual wage bill was £25m. :oops: :$:clap::clap::clap: Neymar's wages were more than the whole of the Lille squad! :oops: :$ :rolleyes:
Wow! What a site. Some of those numbers are simply mad. o_O
 
Just reading a bit more about the Messi saga on the BBC. With Messi's wages Barca were paying 110% of their income in players wages, without Messi they are paying 95% of their income to players wages. :oops: :$ How is that any way to run a sustainable business! :rolleyes: They are still over the financial rules without Messi, but this quote from the Barca President, "Laporta admitted he thought La Liga would "be more flexible with fair play" and accept their contract proposals with Messi." just shows how they think they can continue flaunting the rules imho, and shows they have learnt nothing from the position they are in.

You can see why they want the 'Super League', and still haven't given up on it. Barca and Real have apparently vetoed a new sponsor for La Liga because one of the company's stipulations was that no teams could leave the league for the length of the contract.

Re the Super League and UEFA .It's not over yet re the fines imposed .

 
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