1. F/1.4

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    Thanks man. Was some tough conditions in the blazing mid day sun.
     
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  3. nandbytes

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    You are mis-quoting me.

    Overall better lens is not same as saying better rendering.
    Overall includes AF, build, size, ergonomics, video usage etc.
     
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  4. twist

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    :rolleyes: ok
     
  5. decigallen

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    Didn't spot any great advantage for the Sony in terms of af, build, size or ergonomics. They're both pretty similar there. Don't use video to comment.
     
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  6. Dudewheresmybrain

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    morning peeps

    friend of mine has ordered a used zeiss 35mm 1.4 and was wondering how he should test for the famous "issue"

    can you advise?

    cheers
     
  7. twist

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    Quick way, shoot a brick wall wide open and fill the frame, then turn the camera upside down and shoot again. Take into lightroom the soft side will move from left to right or vice versa when reviewing the images.
     
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  8. jonneymendoza

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    or just buy the samyang version and be done with it
     
  9. twist

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    Er nope.
     
  10. nandbytes

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    Sony is definitely better weather sealed (or rather sigma isn't at all). The AF was smoother and faster than my a-mount version and I don't suspect the DSLR lens will do better on mirrorless.
    FE35 is slightly smaller but slightly fatter. So about equal as you say.
    Zeiss also has aperture ring and for video AF is once again better with Zeiss with option of clickless aperture.
    But of course YMMV and not really be bothered by these
     
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  11. Dudewheresmybrain

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    thanks for that, ive passed it onto him
     
  12. F/1.4

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    The Zeiss has better video AF and in my opinion no other advantage. Hope youre enjoying the cameras Deci !
     
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  13. nandbytes

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    he can do the quick test twist suggested.

    for more information my post from 50 pages ago :D

     
  14. twist

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    Okay, so a few things..... youre comparing the DSLR version to the mirrorless version, they are NOT the same. So you should really try one.

    1) The Sigma FE ARTs have a weather seal on the mount.
    2) The AF has changed from the DSLR lenses, its MUCH smoother and quietly swoops, acts like a mirrorless lens during stills.
    3) FE35 is 72mm vs 67mm filter of the ART.
    4) Does anyone actually use the manual aperture on an AF lens?
     
  15. nandbytes

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    They haven't changed the AF motors and I'd be very surprised if it's as good as FE35

    1) - sure but not rest of the lens. Sony is missing on mount (for some insane reason)
    2) what about video?
    3) sure, I prefer 67mm because it matches my other lens
    4) - yes

    It's a DSLR lens hacked to work for mirrorless. There is no getting away from that.
     
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  16. twist

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    The AF behaves differently, wether its a motor change which you wouldn't know about or not it does behave differently. I have used all these lenses including the FE versions which you haven't so you don't really know the differences. Youre basing your comparison against the DSLR version on a DSLR camera.

    1) So glad we cleared up that it does have weather sealing
    2) What about it? Id rather have the fastest and quietest video AF lens, the 55mm and that I can buy with my £650 saving
    4) Maybe just you then and people who like a slower approach or lots of video

    Hey, it works, AF is fast, accurate, silent and its cheap with arguably better optics.
     
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  17. RPhotos

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    Would value your input on why nope, realise it’s probably been shared somewhere in this thread that I have missed along the way, but no hope of finding it again ... a lot of the reviews of the l me seem favourable so will be good to hear another side
     
  18. twist

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    Ill reply a little later, both have strengths and weaknesses, time for lunch!
     
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    Thanks
     
  20. nandbytes

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    1) errr no where did I agree to it. having rubber seal on mount is not same as weathersealing.
    2) so 55mm is same as 35mm now? if its all about what you rather have there isn't much point carrying on with an objective comparison is there!
    4) again not about me or you (also its not slower)

    yeah it partly works by sounds of it.

    not sure why you are taking sigma so personally.
     
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  21. jonneymendoza

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    Thanks mate
     
  22. jonneymendoza

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    Sigma Fanboy? Hehe
     
  23. twist

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    1) Errr not having a rubber seal on the mount is not properly weather sealed. ;)
    2) No, but you keep taking it down that road. You said the Sony and Samyang are better, they are not. You haven't even used the Sigma FE lenses.
     
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  24. twist

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    Was waiting for you to post something useless. hehe
     
  25. nandbytes

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    I will use it one day :D
    Hopefully won't be too long before I can find one on used market
     
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  26. twist

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    Samyang is sharper than Sony +
    Samyang may require dock to tweak AF and update FW, mine did -
    Samyang has better CA control than Sony +
    Samyang has a slightly warmer cast -
    Samyang is MUCH cheaper +
    Sony is better built and looks nicer +
    Sony has slightly nicer OOF +
    Sony has QC issues with the optics -
    Sony has better CAF +
    Sony has better video AF +

    I really struggled with a fast 35mm choice in E mount because both have pros and cons, it took me ages to compare these two lenses because they are both good lenses in different ways. Ive never tested 2 lenses as much. Usually its a 10 min job.

    Ive been a long time Sigma 35 ART user on other mounts and I now have that in E mount to compare against the samples I took previously, but I kinda know what to expect. Its 30% more expensive than the Samyang, but then the Sony is 175% more expensive than the Samyang

    Decide whats most important and go from there.
     
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  27. jonneymendoza

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    Quality bruv. It's coming home
     
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  28. nandbytes

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  29. twist

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    Wait and see. I never owned Nikon branded lenses for long so for me it's all about the camera, badge meh. I'd be surprised if Nikon can sell the body and 35 1.4 for less than an a7iii and 35 art (2600 quid). I'm seeing 3k for body and slow 2470f4 kit lens.

    Sony is a much more mature milc system and Nikon will take time to catch up. Maybe in a couple years a switch would be worthwhile.
     
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  30. nandbytes

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    They have nice set of f1.8 G lenses too that can be adapted and apparently there'll be an adapter from nikon for that.
     
  31. twist

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    This had to be their interim option, I owned the 1.8g lenses, they were alright. Not great.

    I got my a7iii for a price that Nikon can't come close to and with better lens options I can use now. No point in switching early.... I can't see Nikon's 1st camera being better than the a7iii.... Plus reliability.
     
  32. nandbytes

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    How much did you get it for? :eek:
     
  33. jonneymendoza

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    Fiver
     
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    i'll give him a tener for it :D
     
  35. twist

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    A lot less than 3k Nikon wants to charge.
     
  36. T_J_G

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    Any one with experience of the FE 50mm on an A6000 (after firmware upgrade)?
     
  37. twist

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    It's a great lens. Bargain.
     
  38. T_J_G

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    Thinking for our holiday may go nicely along with the 16-50. Wanted the 85 really but in reality it'll probably be a bit too long.
     
  39. ohms12

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    Thinking of swapping the 55/1.8 for an 85.

    Which 85 do I go for? All opinions welcome.
     
  40. twist

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    To long. 50 will get more use imo.
     
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