The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

• 10 mm F 5,6 Hyper-Wide-Heliar

• 12 mm F 5,6 Ultra-Wide-Heliar

• 15 mm F 4,5 Super-Wide-Heliar

:sleep: Pretty cool if you want a UWA though.
 
Looks like they've just re-mounted the existing 12/15 and added a communication chip to show exif and auto-magnify on focus;

Taken from the Voigtlander link above;

"While the 12 mm and 15 mm lenses are already avaibale with a VM-Mount the 10 mm focal length is completely new. As these extreme wide lenses are challenging a fast and smooth commuication between lens, camera and photographer, which is extremely important."

Wonder how much they will be, considering the 15mm VM mount is £374 from OneStop?
 
they are small ultra wides, and the 10mm maybe the widest rectilinar lens, im interested to see what its images look like, for reasons unknow the canon 11 to whatever left me feeling indifferent, and i like ultrawides
 
This new 10mm sounds interesting, thats very wide.
 
As I managed to get a finger in one shot taken by my 25mm last weekend, reckon that 10mm would be including my forehead
 
I got my A7R II a week ago so thought I would share a few shots taken with the 90mm F2.8G macro lens I bought at the same time! :)

I am sure most have seen macro stuff with this combo so I have concentrated on testing more on general use, and specifically some action shots just to see how good the autofocus is? I had the A7 and it was the slowest autofocus camera I have ever had so I took a big hit returning it!

I was therefore very wary of spending so much again on this one due to very chalk and cheese reviews on just how good it is? There are not may real world man on the street so to speak reviews at the moment? Just a lot of sponsored ones?

Luckily my fears were unfounded as hopefully these shots will show :)

Cheers Mick

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Mick looks a great combo.

I think my A7R2 is fantastic and I have stated it here and elsewhere. However since the June launch I feel the majority of posts everywhere I've visited seem to have been made by detractors who have found something not to their liking most of whom have never had this camera in their hands let alone used one like you with your new 90 macro lens. That's fine and probably the way of things but what it has done is make me switch off and just get on with learning the features of my new baby and ignoring most comments / issues raised.
 
shoshone said:
Mick looks a great combo.

I think my A7R2 is fantastic and I have stated it here and elsewhere. However since the June launch I feel the majority of posts everywhere I've visited seem to have been made by detractors who have found something not to their liking most of whom have never had this camera in their hands let alone used one like you with your new 90 macro lens. That's fine and probably the way of things but what it has done is make me switch off and just get on with learning the features of my new baby and ignoring most comments / issues raised.
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I agree Jamie and there just not enough real world reviews at the moment?

I will hold my hand up be the first to admit the original A7 was pants for anything with the slightest movement? I tried a similar test when I got it with the 70-200 F4 and the keeper rate was embarrassing no matter what I tried? Even just street photography was a no go?

Anyhow this is worlds apart and like you I am just getting to grips with all the features :)
 
Blew my top tonight on Dpreview [as "jayteepics" on http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9206637562/dpreview-products-of-the-year
Fed up with pontificating overbearing browbeating self righteous t*ssers like "Ramjager"

His/Her post..

By Ramjager (3 hours ago)
Ahh the great Sony I'm sure it will be in the sidelines at the worlds great sporting events soon..shoved in the bottom of some amateurs bag with a pile of Canon or Nikon glass crushing it.
Best full frame camera..well unless you need great AF combined with wonderful glass that can track targets in all weather and then 10 seconds later take a stellar wide angle image.
But hey these awards are voted by guys who shoot on blue sky days with heaps of time to deal with crap evf's then who only care about cameras as toys.
A real system camera isn't crippled by its systems glass or the focal length or the F stop of the lens hence DPR proves its more interested in technical gadgetry than cameras used by real photographers in the real world working for real money.

My response can be read if of interest on Dpreview (if you can't find it, it's below)

If I'm in the wrong place here please point me in the right direction but I thought this was the Sony A7xx owners thread?

So maybe the challenge set by the A7R2 within this group has been hard to swallow even for existing A7 owners e.g. a very highly priced new Sony body (never had one before but for what it does for me doesn't seem outrageous) new tech which peeps need to know about etc I get that, but here and elsewhere entrenched beliefs and attitudes are getting very boring if not annoying. So forgive me for asking if you want an answer to something that's fine but if you just want to be like Ramjager...
Why are you here?

You may even agree with this guy, but at least when you bring your objections to this forum, you have the courtesy to be more polite and objective - I hope.

In case you can't find my reply or they have barred it here it is..warts and all..

Who do you think you are influencing (other than yourself) by opening your big mouth and talking bigoted rubbish.
" a pile of Canon or Nikon glass crushing it." you said it all for me there and "heaps of time to deal with crap evf's then who only care about cameras as toys".
Lug all your gear (and you'd better be a 'Great' sports Tog) around the world but don't talk about another side of photography which others [Pro or amateur] are enjoying and successful at BECAUSE you are Mr BigGear man, so heavy it will crush my tiny puny 'inferior' Sony A7R2.

It's such intolerant rants / attitudes like yours that gives the entire photographic community a bad name. It's not for me to tell you what is good or bad for YOU, nor will I, but will say that I bought into Canon DSLRs big time starting with the first FF DSLR EVER the 5D Classic and for all of the time I used 1D's, and loads of beautiful "L" glass such as 300 f2.8 IS Mk1 L; 70-200 f2.8 Mk2 L; 24-70 Mk2 L

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Part 2 continues

You may be from what we [ex]Canon users used to think of as being from the Nikon "Dark Side" it doesn't matter even if you were/are things have moved on and your world isn't binary any more!

By all means carry on with your rant, but believe me if you ever really wake up and smell the coffee it will be an "Epiphany" to you!
If you don't know what that means please take time out and check it out - Google springs to mind...
 
border_all said:
I thought you were very tolerant in your reply like you I was former Canon user I don't knock it I have just changed and moved on:agree:
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Allan, thanks for that I started to feel I'd gone OTT...I like "I have just changed and moved on" and perhaps I shouldn't even have taken the bait - geez I'm old enough to know better. :(
 
Hehe do we have some Sony fanboyism going on here? ;)

Whilst that poster clearly went on an ill-informed rant of little substance, some of it is true. Canon and Nikon have more specialist glass available (particularly at longer focal lengths) and I'll wager a bet that DSLRs will still track better than a DSLR. But...for what you shoot the Sony is probably the better camera. Plus your back will be in a better state after a day of shooting :)
 
manualfocus-g said:
for what you shoot the Sony is probably the better camera
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Nail on the head. If a camera meets a users requirements that's all that matters, it doesn't have to be the best at whatever. That's personally why I have 2x systems, they compliment each other.
 
manualfocus-g said:
Hehe do we have some Sony fanboyism going on here? ;)

Whilst that poster clearly went on an ill-informed rant of little substance, some of it is true. Canon and Nikon have more specialist glass available (particularly at longer focal lengths) and I'll wager a bet that DSLRs will still track better than a DSLR. But...for what you shoot the Sony is probably the better camera. Plus your back will be in a better state after a day of shooting :)
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Well from my response I must have been a Canon fanboy as you put it but I'd rather call it 'investment' in a system which one gets locked into financially and I guess also a club such as CPN, but if you suspect what I think is "Sony fanboyism" then sadly so be it :sorry:. I'd just prefer to do my own thing.
BTW it's pure serendipity and not a Canon / Nikon thing. When I moved from film (Olympus) to digital I asked a protog friend of mine whether to go Canon or Nikon. He was a Nikon guy. Because I wanted to stay FF (Oh and I'm now back with FF ;)) and had no compatible glass he said it was a no brainer get the Canon 5D, (just as a snide ex Canon user remark Nikon users poo-pood FF at the time). So the logic of my friend and my choice was just a matter of what was the fact at the time.
I accept what I shoot now is rather different however by the time I start to feel limited there might be longer but lighter glass available :snaphappy:
As for my back it still gives me jip, but that's probably age :arghh:
 
The negativity towards Sony does seem a little extreme at times and I do wonder why it matters so much to some people but we are talking about posts on the internet and on line things are often a little... extreme?

I can be very critical but I try to restrain my urge to critisise as IMO Sony shouldn't be judged in isolation as it's better to try and see the plus and minus points and judge against those of other systems available and after doing that on balance the Sony A7 works for me. What some bloke on line says may be interesting or entertaining or might make me want to pm him a help line number but I'm adult enough to make my own mind up :D
 
mufftrix said:
I got my A7R II a week ago so thought I would share a few shots taken with the 90mm F2.8G macro lens I bought at the same time! :)

I am sure most have seen macro stuff with this combo so I have concentrated on testing more on general use, and specifically some action shots just to see how good the autofocus is? I had the A7 and it was the slowest autofocus camera I have ever had so I took a big hit returning it!

I was therefore very wary of spending so much again on this one due to very chalk and cheese reviews on just how good it is? There are not may real world man on the street so to speak reviews at the moment? Just a lot of sponsored ones?

Luckily my fears were unfounded as hopefully these shots will show :)

Cheers Mick

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Lovely shots
 
that dp guy is right, its not a great choice for sports, sure you can get good results with it, but a d4s or 1dx and selection of big primes is still the most consistent and straightforward to use for sports
 
pingu666 said:
that dp guy is right, its not a great choice for sports, sure you can get good results with it, but a d4s or 1dx and selection of big primes is still the most consistent and straightforward to use for sports
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Mind though the big primes would cost as much or more the the a7r2 not really like for like, would be OK for people playing bowls that's a sport or what about darts
 
pingu666 said:
that dp guy is right, its not a great choice for sports, sure you can get good results with it, but a d4s or 1dx and selection of big primes is still the most consistent and straightforward to use for sports
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But the award was just best camera of 2015, nowhere does it say that the best camera has to be able to do everything. So pointless trolling really from that guy
 
It all relative in what you want from a camera at the end of the day I think?

If you make a living out of the sports stuff then we all know at the moment what the choices are? But for the majority of "normal user's" it about real life usage and what the camera system can do?
 
pingu666 said:
that dp guy is right, its not a great choice for sports, sure you can get good results with it, but a d4s or 1dx and selection of big primes is still the most consistent and straightforward to use for sports
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Not just sports that has moving subjects, and you don't need a d4s or 1dx to have better AF than the A7rii.... or the most expensive lenses.
 
All this bleating about focus performance, for gawd sake... far too much reliance on the gear.

I remember when we ad to get up alf 'n hour before we went 't bed an ed off owt wit 't box brownie and we still captured bullets in flight. Kids today! Don't know they're born.
 
woof woof said:
All this bleating about focus performance, for gawd sake... far too much reliance on the gear.

I remember when we ad to get up alf 'n hour before we went 't bed an ed off owt wit 't box brownie and we still captured bullets in flight. Kids today! Don't know they're born.
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I them was t days candles for warmth sometimes pa wood lit one pesky new fangled gadgets course I had no brownie just paper and charcoal :eek:
 
I'd love to shoot sports in addition to the other stuff I like to shoot but the sports venues I'd like to shoot do regular bag searches and don't allow interchangeable lens cameras, so the main dslr advantage became moot for me. I'm not about to be able to invest the time to get the credentials required.

Of course there are a few other similar scenarios where fast tracking is important but it's so few and far between that I simply compromise for the sake of lower weight and better exposure control; my keeper rate has improved significantly with mirrorless, and I much prefer my Fuji cameras in use than my old D600. I can't imagine going back now, although I do look forward to any advancements on the AF side (and I know they will come, dslr days are numbered).
 
manualfocus-g said:
Hehe do we have some Sony fanboyism going on here? ;)

Whilst that poster clearly went on an ill-informed rant of little substance, some of it is true. Canon and Nikon have more specialist glass available (particularly at longer focal lengths) and I'll wager a bet that DSLRs will still track better than a DSLR. But...for what you shoot the Sony is probably the better camera. Plus your back will be in a better state after a day of shooting :)
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Yea but come on how long has canon and nikon been in the game.? I see Sony as the Microsoft of gaming. When they first came with the xbox 1 the tech behind it was brilliant but still had some flaws and lack of games. Fast forward over 10 years and they now one of the pinnacles of gaming industry.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Yea but come on how long has canon and nikon been in the game...
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Sony critics do seem to be very vocal and I do wonder why. The bitching and sniping seems to be quite common in Sony forums across the net and I do wonder why people devote time to it, if the kit doesn't suit then move on... problem solved, but there do seem to be people who will not move on and would rather spend their time sniping endlessly about the same issues.

As a former Canon DSLR owner I had a 300D and then 20D for over 7 years and then a 5D. I was reasonably happy with these cameras apart from their bulk, weight and obtrusiveness and the A7 has improved on all of those issues whilst offering better image quality. Great stuff... for ME.

I do understand the focus issues which are repeatedly raised but as all I've ever used is single spot any lack in tracking ability doesn't affect ME. I find that my A7+35, 55 or 28-70mm lens focuses at least as fast as the DSLR's and lenses I had but more accurately. I also appreciate the complaints about battery life but it's just never been a real world issue for ME. The whole OVF v EVF debate for ME is now largely over and I now only have slight concerns over eye strain in low light but in every othet way I now see EVF's as clear winners. The availability of lenses is another target but for ME the important focal lengths are covered and then there's the prices... for ME the kit is priced ok and again, if the system doesn't suit why don't people just move on?

I think that the best way forward is to balance the advantages and disadvantages and make a decision for ourselves... but I just don't see the need for the repeated sniping and Sony bashing, it's something that we don't really in the other make theads apart from maybe the Canon 5Dsr or whaterver it is thread. It's just a shame that thread after thread descends into negativity every few pages.
 
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woof woof said:
Sony critics do seem to be very vocal and I do wonder why. The bitching and sniping seems to be quite common in Sony forums across the net and I do wonder why people devote time to it, if the kit doesn't suit then move on... problem solved, but there do seem to be people who will not move on and would rather spend their time sniping endlessly about the same issues.

As a former Canon DSLR owner I had a 300D and then 20D for over 7 years and then a 5D. I was reasonably happy with these cameras apart from their bulk, weight and obtrusiveness and the A7 has improved on all of those issues whilst offering better image quality. Great stuff... for ME.

I do understand the focus issues which are repeatedly raised but as all I've ever used is single spot any lack in tracking ability doesn't affect ME. I find that my A7+35, 55 or 28-70mm lens focuses at least as fast as the DSLR's and lenses I had but more accurately. I also appreciate the complaints about battery life but it's just never been a real world issue for ME. The whole OVF v EVF debate for ME is now largely over and I now only have slight concerns over eye strain in low light but in every othet way I now see EVF's as clear winners. The availability of lenses is another target but for ME the important focal lengths are covered and then there's the prices... for ME the kit is priced ok and again, if the system doesn't suit why don't people just move on?

I think that the best way forward is to balance the advantages and disadvantages and make a decision for ourselves... but I just don't see the need for the repeated sniping and Sony bashing, it's something that we don't really in the other make theads apart from maybe the Canon 5Dsr or whaterver it is thread. It's just a shame that thread after thread descends into negativity every few pages.
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People always arguing when Sony is mentioned they all go mad?

But have any of them actually tried the camera I doubt it? They just jumping on the Sony hate wagon because they have some kind of brand following for Nikon or Canon? It worse than which football team is best which also bores me :)

If this camera was crap I would have sold it took a massive hit once again and moved on? ( I had the original A7 and it was imo just no good for anything moving which is why I think the opinion that this will be the same maybe comes?) But it isn't, it is expensive for sure that the way of buying into new technology, and no doubt that will change over the coming months? Now I have bought one expect a price crash any day!

I buy what works for me? (perhaps that why I am divorced haha)

I get fed up of carting big camera's around when i just on a local walk or going to a museum/zoo whatever?

I am happy with my purchase and that all that matters at the end of the day, if it works for you then it money well spent?

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When the A7rii is around the 1.5k mark I might bite, gives them some time to introduce those new lenses.
 
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