The virus. PPE. Part 1

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Cobra said:
Snakes either apparently
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Damn! He'd already blown my plan to make our slow worms into an early warning system and now I can't even use the grass snake. Bleedin' useless reptilians... :naughty: :LOL:
 
LongLensPhotography said:
At this point I probably would prefer going one way to an EU destination considering 6 to 12 month full lockdown. This now the most likely scenario and sadly they themselves admit they have no exit strategy. These loons in government should be all kicked out.
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Oh the irony of someone ignoring the Governments advice to stay at home and planning on going to Europe, and the French threatening stopping travellers from the UK because they don't think the UK Gov isn't being stringent enough in enforcing social distancing / a lock down of their citizens. :rolleyes: :LOL: :ROFLMAO:
 
Cobra said:
Every time I see that word, I read it as Corvid..
So I blame the rooks crows jackdaws magpies etc

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Some people are calling it that, I think it was trending on twitter for a while.
 
nilagin said:
Difference is there is every chance the people at the beach won't have the virus to pass it on, whilst there is a much higher probability that people in the hospital will be more likely to come into contact with the virus.
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nilagin said:
It is likely to cause much bigger emotional and mental health issues if they unknowingly take the virus home with them and infect their immediate family.
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Donnie said:
2 problems with that.

1. It assumes staff who are highly trained in infection control practices are actually crap at it to the point where they would willingly bring coronavirus home to their family

2. IF one member of staff did indeed become positive, it would spread through the workforce in that hospital like wildfire as opposed to that one person being positive at home and infecting a much much smaller number of people.
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Donnie said:
Yep, the guidance is one parent needs to be a key worker, BUT if the child can be cared for at home safely it should be. School is not the default position for these kids.
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nilagin said:
My wife has already said that at the school she works at, there will be kids at school, with just one key worker parent, because the other parent doesn't fancy the thought of so many months with their little darlings at home
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Ah yes well then thats up to the schools to ensure robust systems are in place.

I personally know of a keyworker who's husband is unemployed and the school has flat out refused to take her child and rightly so!
I do suspect that her husband does some cash in hand while claiming UC mind but that's a different issue.
 
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The BBC Health Writer touched on something that will be a very difficult decision sometime in the future. That being when and if they decide lockdown is having a too big an impact on other social issues. I imagine depression, anxiety, poverty etc could already be an all time high.
 
Marcel said:
Some people are calling it that, I think it was trending on twitter for a while.
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Great minds and all that ..
I've done my bit I went out and shot a couple yesterday (y)
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Let's be sensible. You can and perhaps should use card terminals at the fuel pumps in most stations now. This is common sense. They even provide disposable gloves. I've been doing this all this time.
2. You have to go shopping one way or another.
3. It is sensible to suggest not doing anything too extreme likely to put you in need of rescue. This also applies near home
4. Breakdowns do happen. Sure. It would be good idea to only go in a well maintained car, as is normally.

At this point I probably would prefer going one way to an EU destination considering 6 to 12 month full lockdown. This now the most likely scenario and sadly they themselves admit they have no exit strategy. These loons in government should be all kicked out.
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Cockney said:
Seemingly not all the loons are in govt.
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:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
Cobra said:
I've done my bit I went out and shot a couple yesterday (y)
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Come to think of it, our crows have been a bit on the quiet side in recent days. People do say they're intelligent birds... :tumbleweed:
 
mex said:
Here's another low-life, looks a tadd reptilian too.
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The slow worms have instructed me to point out that they are not and never have been associated with the current prime minister. The grass snake has issued a statement that it's an insult to all snakes in the grass to claim such a relationship exists :wideyed:
 
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Donnie said:
2 problems with that.
1. It assumes staff who are highly trained in infection control practices are actually crap at it to the point where they would willingly bring coronavirus home to their family
2. IF one member of staff did indeed become positive, it would spread through the workforce in that hospital like wildfire as opposed to that one person being positive at home and infecting a much much smaller number of people.
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Not everybody shows symptoms, and as it can take 5 days for symptoms to show up, it won't be like wildfire.
No one said they would willingly take the virus home, it can still happen by accident though.
We are all talking about the UK having to follow other countries into lockdown, yet you have a problem with putting the places, where the known cases are.
It's basic common sense.
 
Cobra said:
..........I think at this point though a "nod" should be given to David Icke and his Lizard people.
Well some buggers keep appearing from nowhere ( underground suspected) and clearing the shelves

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Ohh bugger I forgot about the lizard people. Now I am confused.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Come to think of it, our crows have been a bit on the quiet side in recent days. People do say they're intelligent birds... :tumbleweed:
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I always give the local crows here get a few treats I have for the dog when I take him out.

They tell me they are considering taking legal action against the WHO as they believe the naming of this virus is too close to their name and they might therefore receive a bad press.

Dave
 
nilagin said:
Not everybody shows symptoms, and as it can take 5 days for symptoms to show up, it won't be like wildfire.
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If you contain all healthcare workers dealing with coronavirus like you suggest and one does become positive it WILL spread like wildfire. It's completely contrary to basic isolation precautions taken in all healthcare settings.

nilagin said:
No one said they would willingly take the virus home, it can still happen by accident though.
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Yes I know, which is why I said: "It assumes staff who are highly trained in infection control practices are actually crap at it to the point where they would willingly bring coronavirus home to their family"

nilagin said:
We are all talking about the UK having to follow other countries into lockdown, yet you have a problem with putting the places, where the known cases are.
It's basic common sense.
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I don't know what this last sentence is actually trying to say "have a problem with putting the places,where the known cases are." ?
 
We were supposed to be going to the Isle of Wight this summer for the butterflies and the ferry company is saying the crossing will be as normal but people can’t stay in their car have to do the crossing in the lounge
We are going to put it off until next year it’s the right thing to do
I’m gutted though wanted to see Glanville Fritillaries for the first time
 
First known case ( and one has to pray for it to be the last!) of the death of a hospital doctor in France from COVID 19

The health profesionals ( albeit being in very high risk situations of infection) have possibly / probably the strictist sanitory gudelines in place than any of the population, possibly something for those considering travelling around atc, to consider following this case.


On a different topic, though still relating to COVID,

Relating to France ( Italy and probably Spain...I don't know about other countries tbh), and not ( afaik) the UK, we will very soon begin too see the usual show of "mostiques" which are very dificult to avoid and think nothing of having a nibble of one persons blood ( the females require the product for reproduction) before heading off to someone else for (perhaps) a sweeter desert.

I'm no health specialist but it doesn't take an awful lot of thought to realise the potential for contamination between people through no fault of our own.

Perhaps someone somewhere within govt has already given this consideration, not that I've come across any info as yet.

@Canon Bob ....Have you heard anything over your side Bob?
 
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I’ve said this before but I just don’t get the thing with panic buying bog roll
I read somewhere that the factory in the uk that makes it has enough raw materials in stock now for a long time there’s no chance at all of stocks running out it’s just that idiots are buying it quicker than it can be delivered to the shops
 
South Korea and Italy both recorded their first corona case at the same. Italy now have 50 times more deaths than SK. In addition SK are now seeing some things returning to normal (fingers crossed )The main difference between the two seems to be testing. Hopefully the world will focus on testing whilst we await a vaccine.
 
Donnie said:
I don't know what this last sentence is actually trying to say "have a problem with putting the places,where the known cases are." ?
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It was meant to say, you have no problem putting the rest of the country into lockdown, yet the hospitals where many sick will be, won't be on lockdown as staff will still be able to come and go. The only way to effectively shutdown transmission of the virus is lockdown everything, including the hospitals.
I am willing to bet that is exactly what the Chinese did with their hospital staff. Just a shame they didn't do it concerning allowing people to leave the country.
 
myotis said:
Indeed, but I still don't believe its sensible to risk spreading the virus into an area that may not have it, and possibly into an area with limited resources to deal with it.

Regardless of the care you might try to take, moving around the country increases the risk to all of us.
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Respectfully, most of my ordinary landscape daytrips had involved zero contact with anyone anywhere near destination. I am personally much more worried about openly sneezing local fauna in LIDL right next door.


redhed17 said:
Oh the irony of someone ignoring the Governments advice to stay at home and planning on going to Europe, and the French threatening stopping travellers from the UK because they don't think the UK Gov isn't being stringent enough in enforcing social distancing / a lock down of their citizens. :rolleyes: :LOL: :ROFLMAO:
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This would be a bit of a problem if they are being that difficult. However I can assure you my end destination would not be France and would only involve maybe 10km of motorway to Belgium, and then further onwards. I am not sure I can call this place "home" either legally or practically if I'm going to run out of money to pay for it. Working in Tesco is the only workaround I can see and that way I will see a lot of you passing on what may come my way (no different to any other Tesco employee to be crystal clear).

Donnie said:
Great :mad::mad::mad:

Two NHS workers on ventilatord with covid 19

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...r-contracting-covid-19-from-patients-11961531
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Very sad news and unfortunately a sign of things to come. Staff apparently don't get anywhere near the same protective kit as in China. Also, the amount of exposure or challenge also makes a huge difference if someone will get ill and more likely if the illness will be severe. We got taught about it at university; I remember this bit.
Now try to connect the dots if this fait await most staff within the next few weeks. I'd be praying you get only light symptoms if you get it.
 
Asha said:
Relating to France ( Italy and probably Spain...I don't know about other countries tbh), and not ( afaik) the UK, we will very soon begin too see the usual show of "mostiques" which are very dificult to avoid and think nothing of having a nibble of one persons blood ( the females require the product for reproduction) before heading off to someone else for (perhaps) a sweeter desert.

I'm no health specialist but it doesn't take an awful lot of thought to realise the potential for contamination between people through no fault of our own.

Perhaps someone somewhere within govt has already given this consideration, not that I've come across any info as yet.

@Canon Bob ....Have you heard anything over your side Bob?
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nilagin said:
It was meant to say, you have no problem putting the rest of the country into lockdown, yet the hospitals where many sick will be, won't be on lockdown as staff will still be able to come and go. The only way to effectively shutdown transmission of the virus is lockdown everything, including the hospitals.
I am willing to bet that is exactly what the Chinese did with their hospital staff. Just a shame they didn't do it concerning allowing people to leave the country.
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This had to be done ages ago and would have been very brief. Now it is way too late for any of that. All the rest of shock and horror for months to come.
 
Asha said:
On a different topic, though still relating to COVID,

Relating to France ( Italy and probably Spain...I don't know about other countries tbh), and not ( afaik) the UK, we will very soon begin too see the usual show of "mostiques" which are very dificult to avoid and think nothing of having a nibble of one persons blood ( the females require the product for reproduction) before heading off to someone else for (perhaps) a sweeter desert.

I'm no health specialist but it doesn't take an awful lot of thought to realise the potential for contamination between people through no fault of our own.

Perhaps someone somewhere within govt has already given this consideration, not that I've come across any info as yet.

@Canon Bob ....Have you heard anything over your side Bob?
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Covid cannot be transmitted by mosquito, it's already been discounted in the medical literature.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
This had to be done ages ago and would have been very brief. Now it is way too late for any of that. All the rest of shock and horror for months to come.
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It still wouldn't be a waste of time though because it will still restrict infection.
 
nilagin said:
It was meant to say, you have no problem putting the rest of the country into lockdown, yet the hospitals where many sick will be, won't be on lockdown as staff will still be able to come and go. The only way to effectively shutdown transmission of the virus is lockdown everything, including the hospitals.
I am willing to bet that is exactly what the Chinese did with their hospital staff. Just a shame they didn't do it concerning allowing people to leave the country.
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You're willing to bet?
I mean you seem to think that I am espousing some sort of special status to healthcare staff vs the rest of the population.

Instead Im talking about well established infection prevention and control measures. Again if you contain all the medical staff as you suggest and an outbreak happens within that specialist group of people, the death rate will exponentially increase.

Your suggestion is like the first of the simulations at this link comparing it to a small town of people

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?itid=sf_coronavirus
 
Peter10d said:
South Korea and Italy both recorded their first corona case at the same. Italy now have 50 times more deaths than SK. In addition SK are now seeing some things returning to normal (fingers crossed )The main difference between the two seems to be testing. Hopefully the world will focus on testing whilst we await a vaccine.
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Testing seems to the right way to go. Apart from aiding with control of virus spreading it has a vital role in preventing healthy people needlessly self isolating. I you have 4 medics living together and one may have the virus the whole lot need to remain in isolation awaiting developments. That degrades the health service (and many other ventures where loss of staff "on suspicion" occurs).

Re the high Italian death rate. Whilst the demographics are a factor the accuracy of the figures is of concern:-

Telegraph article : Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Sounds a bit like the wrong kind of snow explanation.

It has been mentioned, from time to time, that the recorded cases are probably very much lower than the actual cases because many people are unaware that they have the virus and those that have mild symptoms do not report it.
The very same will be true of recorded influenza cases to some extent. I have not heard of very mild influenza (perhaps there is such a thing), but I know of people who have been ill enough to be bed ridden, but do not seek medical help.
 
Donnie said:
Yep, the guidance is one parent needs to be a key worker, BUT if the child can be cared for at home safely it should be. School is not the default position for these kids.
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That might be the "guidance" but didn't happen in my son's case.
 
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