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Given yesterday's wash out weather. I had a bit of a trawl through YouTube and came across Simon Wantling and Nigel Morley.

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Given yesterday's wash out weather. I had a bit of a trawl through YouTube and came across Simon Wantling and Nigel Morley.

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Crumbs, thanks for the heads up that looking at these guys video's are NSFW, I am not going to check out such "bird photographers"........... ;)
 
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Crumbs, thanks for the heads up that looking at these guys video's are NSFW, I am not going to check out such "bird photographers"........... ;)
That's the second time Tapatalk has defaulted to NSFW without me knowing

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You’re bad, I’ve just spent half a day watching these guys when I should be doing more important stuff. ;):LOL:
 
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You’re bad, I’ve just spent half a day watching these guys when I should be doing more important stuff. ;)
I know they're quietly addictive It's probably because you feel you are out there with them. No product placement, just the feeling they want to share their wildlife photography encounters with a wider audience
 
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People I particularly like watching on YouTube in addition to some of those already quoted are Espen Helland (a Norwegian based in Scotland), Geoff Cooper (an Englishman based in Scotland), Steve Mattheis (based in the Grand Tetons USA) and Mark Smith (based in Florida).
 
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That’s brings back great memories. I have stayed with Bence in his house and been in all those hides. He has much much better hides though and it’s a must to visit if you like bird photograph.The Lada car is impressive and goes anywhere, it was air bound one time I was in it with all 4 wheels off the ground.
 
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The Invisible Wildlife Photographer short film (50 minutes) is well worth a watch
View: https://youtu.be/x0VtDFJ08Oc
It must feel like a dream come true to live somewhere like this.
I'm in awe of Bence Matte he is still really young.............
It's the way he makes the most of what he has around him ,sure nice spot lots of species.......... but the way he tackles making a bird image is a thing of wonder to me. I know nothing of him bar the web wow he's just an astounding talent.

Guy's im not terribly learned. is there anyone quite like Bence making bird images,ie that level of field craft ingenuity photographic expertise, while still basically a young 'un .

Thanks for the video Darren, fab watch I have always wanted to know just a bit more about this guy,a tad inspiring to say the least!!

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Stuart,

he has another house a few miles from the one in the video. You walk down a path cut into 10ft high reeds for about 50 yards then his house is there. Open the door you have his sitting room with a bedroom to the right, he has a pc and a projector, tables and chairs, sofas etcjust like any normal home then—- on the left is a bed, the bed is on a hinge and you lift it up to reveal a trap door. Lift the trap door and walk down the stairs, there is a long carpeted walkway( underground) with electric lighting, at the end of this it opens up to a hide which is on the waters edge. The seats are in a central line, you press a button and an electric blind lifts up to reveal you exactly at water level with your camera on the provided ball heads. When the sun is in your eyes then just lower the blind, spin your chair and press the button on the opposite side to lift that blind.. that hide is carpeted, has WiFi,heating, aircon etc etc. It’s the best hide I have ever been in.
 
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Mark, I don't doubt a word of it!! you have been privaliged to see all this Mark,for me, as someone that has never traveled has no experience of a paid for hide or many hides at all,built by others if I'm honest,Bence is just out there. It's the level he has taken every thing too Mark and I mean everything. I can't get the same perception as you mate I know that but Bence is still jaw dropping for me. He is just so inspiring,cheers for the add on mate appreciated:)!!
 
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Bit of a bump

Now I really like Mike's videos, no bumf with great advice but I'm not sure I agree with the methods used in this one, or maybe it's just me and this is how everyone does it, thoughts?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTU5WkO80dM
I wouldn't do it but I wouldn't bait any animal to get a picture - I'm not criticising people who do it, it's just not something I believe is ethical - if you are happy to do that then his video is excellent, simple instruction and as you say no bumf.
 
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or maybe it's just me and this is how everyone does it, thoughts?
It's a method that is well used. I've never tried it (apart from once at a paid hide a few years ago) and I doubt I ever will . I don't see anything essentially wrong with it, as small fish tend to congregate in small pools anyway. I think though, it all depends on the personal view of what threshhold is crossed by trapping live bait. It's not for me as my views on live bait have changed. I think it sits better to find a natrually occuring small pool, perch it and go from there, not as difficult as it sounds, shallow pools often have small fish and fry swimming in them.

That said, this guy has put the work in, found the kingfisher (they don't just come along) made his set up, figured out the light, put the time in hiding himself and created a spot that a kingfisher might find attractive, so fair play. (y)
 
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I've no problem with baiting per se, I do it myself with live mealworms, Mike's video using them to photograph Stonechats for example is superb, my main concern here is the fact a Kingfisher is a schedule 1 bird, I'd have thought this kind of set-up especially in the wild would be frowned upon.
 
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Darren cheers for sharing I'm not aware of Mike a good watch. Buddy I have no experience of kindfisher hides,or baiting I think pools and food are used alot though. The trouble is mate we have very little in the way of hard core scientific studies to show any possible adverse effects to the birds. For me there probably aren't any negatives and I'd imagine if a spot is fed regularly when the birds are struggling say youngsters learning the ropes(kingy mortality is high I believe in their first year.). The feeding station might just get them through in greater numbers, so it could be viewed as positive. We brit togs seem to worry more about the use of food in wildlife image making more than other folks round the world. I'm one of those worriers Darren. How I impinge on my subjects is a big deal to me But as of yet I can find little of substance illustrating negatives to feeding what is essentially a predatory bird,I'd lump feeding BOP in a simialr category to this

Mate what are your concerns? .


I wouldn't do it but I wouldn't bait any animal to get a picture - I'm not criticising people who do it, it's just not something I believe is ethical - if you are happy to do that then his video is excellent, simple instruction and as you say no bumf.
David what bothers you ethically about feeding /baiting?

Mate I'm trying this at the mo with a weasel in garden also musing some kestrels. Beyond my voles and all my garden birds I also feed oh and some badgers . I've never been able to really find a difference between putting out a peanut feeder for me garden birds and the above type of baited set up. I've tried to read up educate myself.,but always draw a blank. I consider my ethics togging wise to be high . I'm an honest guy in life my wildlife images have to reflect that , I just can't find as yet an ethical ground not to do something like the above. . I guess the bait actually being live is the bone of contention in this case but there could well be a benefit to the actual subject being photographed. Davey I know a farmer who feeds some barn owls daily a couple of chix no more nothing to do with image making . This last winter was so tough on barnies all that rain but his will come though and possibly be in a better place come the breeding season ,than if they hadn't been helped. I really struggle with this ethic thang Dave hence my Q to you I ponder it a hell of a lot. even down to my influence on a baby hare ,no bait what so ever in use there but still deep thought as to my actions and there possible implications to my subject

It 's a real emotive subject feeding needs great care and thought what always gets quoted is how the food might alter the hunting habits of the subject ,which is the bit I can find little science to substantiate I just can't see us undoing eons of evolution with some food ??

Dale I think I'd come out with you on the kiingfishers, do the homework set up a perch and not have the llve catch bait.

In many ways the ingenuity of wildlife image makers amazes me. Tanks with fish in for kingfiishers had my eye's wide open when I first became aware. I find the ethics side of what we do fascinating :)

take care all

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my main concern here is the fact a Kingfisher is a schedule 1 bird, I'd have thought this kind of set-up especially in the wild would be frowned upon.
...... and rightly so, although Sched 1 is aimed at keeping people away from (or also too near the nest), photography well away from it is fine. (y)
 
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Darren cheers for sharing I'm not aware of Mike a good watch. Buddy I have no experience of kindfisher hides,or baiting I think pools and food are used alot though. The trouble is mate we have very little in the way of hard core scientific studies to show any possible adverse effects to the birds. For me there probably aren't any negatives and I'd imagine if a spot is fed regularly when the birds are struggling say youngsters learning the ropes(kingy mortality is high I believe in their first year.). The feeding station might just get them through in greater numbers, so it could be viewed as positive. We brit togs seem to worry more about the use of food in wildlife image making more than other folks round the world. I'm one of those worriers Darren. How I impinge on my subjects is a big deal to me But as of yet I can find little of substance illustrating negatives to feeding what is essentially a predatory bird,I'd lump feeding BOP in a simialr category to this

Mate what are your concerns? .




David what bothers you ethically about feeding /baiting?

Mate I'm trying this at the mo with a weasel in garden also musing some kestrels. Beyond my voles and all my garden birds I also feed oh and some badgers . I've never been able to really find a difference between putting out a peanut feeder for me garden birds and the above type of baited set up. I've tried to read up educate myself.,but always draw a blank. I consider my ethics togging wise to be high . I'm an honest guy in life my wildlife images have to reflect that , I just can't find as yet an ethical ground not to do something like the above. . I guess the bait actually being live is the bone of contention in this case but there could well be a benefit to the actual subject being photographed. Davey I know a farmer who feeds some barn owls daily a couple of chix no more nothing to do with image making . This last winter was so tough on barnies all that rain but his will come though and possibly be in a better place come the breeding season ,than if they hadn't been helped. I really struggle with this ethic thang Dave hence my Q to you I ponder it a hell of a lot. even down to my influence on a baby hare ,no bait what so ever in use there but still deep thought as to my actions and there possible implications to my subject

It 's a real emotive subject feeding needs great care and thought what always gets quoted is how the food might alter the hunting habits of the subject ,which is the bit I can find little science to substantiate I just can't see us undoing eons of evolution with some food ??

Dale I think I'd come out with you on the kiingfishers, do the homework set up a perch and not have the llve catch bait.

In many ways the ingenuity of wildlife image makers amazes me. Tanks with fish in for kingfiishers had my eye's wide open when I first became aware. I find the ethics side of what we do fascinating :)

take care all

stu .
In the States they say 'a fed bear is a dead bear' - the wildlife agencies actively kill bears which get used to being fed by humans - that's kind of where I come from - habituating animals to being fed for a photo isn't something I'd do. As I said it's an individual choice and I'm not criticising anyone for feeding animals here.
 
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yeah understood David mind we don't have bears,ha i wish

Would you not put out food for a garden bird and make a pic would that not sit well with you.? I can see the bear comparison instantly it makes total sense Mate there is no angst no judgement coming from me I'm simply interested in how we think and what drives that. :)
 
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yeah understood David mind we don't have bears,ha i wish

Would you not put out food for a garden bird and make a pic would that not sit well with you.? I can see the bear comparison instantly it makes total sense Mate there is no angst no judgement coming from me I'm simply interested in how we think and what drives that. :)
Like I said, personally I won't feed wildlife to get a pic - I don't see the difference between the wild animal being a bear in North America or a carnivore we'd get in this country such as a fox or badger, it's habituating them - applies to things like deer too - one of the things that gets me is the people who feed the deer in Glen Etive - leave them alone let them be wild.

I realise garden birds are probably a different matter - there's a long tradition of people feeding smalls bird in their garden.

But as I said I'm not judging, if someone feeds animals then I accept it in the same way I accept that some people shoot animals, birds etc. for sport - it's big complicated world and we should all do what we feel is right, there maybe isn't a wrong or right way - I just responded to the question with my way.
 
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