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The intranet here doesn't require IE6, it's primarily a security concern around unsupported browsers. There are also a massive number of users, and a migration to IE 7 or 8 would require a huge effort (and incur considerable cost). There is just no justification for it at the moment, so IE6 will remain!
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IE v Netscape
IE v Opera
IE v Firefox
HIstory repeats itself and IE is still the most populor browser on the planet.. But like anything thats populor and the best there is.. everyone wants to shoot it down.. esp the hackers.
Been using IE for too many years to count and as an ex web developer (no i didnt make websites) i used IE because i wanted to see what the majority of users could see. I had many others browsers installed to check for compatability but IE has always been the most populor...
IE v Opera
IE v Firefox
HIstory repeats itself and IE is still the most populor browser on the planet.. But like anything thats populor and the best there is.. everyone wants to shoot it down.. esp the hackers.
Been using IE for too many years to count and as an ex web developer (no i didnt make websites) i used IE because i wanted to see what the majority of users could see. I had many others browsers installed to check for compatability but IE has always been the most populor...
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we're stuck with 7 due to software constraints form 3rd party packages. "officially" they dont work with 8. although i do every day they just refuse to support you otherwise.
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Hmmmm - conspicuous lack of hard facts in this thread.
Here's a decent breakdown of the problem and it's scope.
If you are on XP then you are fine as long as you are using IE8
If you are on Vista or Windows 7 then you are fine as long as Protected Mode is ON.
All combinations are safe if you disable Javascript (but that's not particularly useful)
So assuming people are updating their browsers then the vast majority will be fine.
The only people with real problems are the corporate users who haven't rolled out upgrades - and that's M$'s biggest long term problem other than all the scaremongering in the news.
Here's a decent breakdown of the problem and it's scope.
If you are on XP then you are fine as long as you are using IE8
If you are on Vista or Windows 7 then you are fine as long as Protected Mode is ON.
All combinations are safe if you disable Javascript (but that's not particularly useful)
So assuming people are updating their browsers then the vast majority will be fine.
The only people with real problems are the corporate users who haven't rolled out upgrades - and that's M$'s biggest long term problem other than all the scaremongering in the news.
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For the record - I primarily use FF but my PC is also capable of running Safari, Chrome, IE5.5, IE6, IE7 and IE8 for testing our software.
Website stats show 75% of our customers use IE and we suspect they are unlikely to be changing, so this is of great interest to us....
Website stats show 75% of our customers use IE and we suspect they are unlikely to be changing, so this is of great interest to us....
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No worries, extra pigeons have arrived!
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im sure that is the full list of "potential" effected systems but like DuncanDisorderly it will depend on a couple of factors by the sounds of it.
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and thats the nail on the head. MS attracts bad press like flies to proverbial.. for example google "chrome security issues" (replace the word chrome for firefox or safari if you like) and ask yourself how many of those made it on to the news.
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I installed Firefox on my employer's computer this morning when he couldn't get IE (whatever version comes with Windows 7) to open a pdf copy of his tax return on the HMRC website. FF had no problem.
Seems that you need at least two browsers to see the whole of the www these days. Perhaps if we all went back to HTML 3.0 and abandoned client side scripting it would be possible to write browsers that all worked with all standards compliant web pages ....
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conversely, FF refuses to open a PDF first attempt for me at the moment.
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As a consumer you only need to choose a browser and use it.. You want to try designing websites that work in all the browsers. For starters, they render differently, secondly, some users turn off scripting and the like. Thirdly, they keep constantly updating them and changing the goalposts etc. etc.
We are in a really complex situation where different browsers (and servers, and OS's) are effected by different exploits, in certain configuration of operating systems. No wonder anyone who thinks about it for more than a second gets in a tizzy
It isnt even enough to say install the latest updates and keep Norton / AVG / SOPHOS running
pretty hard work all the way around
To flesh out the efforts on the other side of the coin
A week a go a site of mine was hacked. A week before that it was (routinely) totally updated and checked against all know vunerabilities and certified as PCI compliant. The check the compliance company does bombards the site for a couple of hours with every trick and exploit they know. the site was resilient to these atacks a few days before the exploit
After searcing the logs, the source of the issue was resolved, and the site cleaned and the complaince company confirmed the site was not vunerable to said issue. Now the company is failing other sites for the issue, and using the fix we arrived at at midnight, as the Std recommended fix. The whole process form hack to fix took 9 hours. The updated security fix was confirmed a hour later and the issue circulated immediatally. Its not just your browsers folks, it is the webservers, the websites themselves and everything else in the chain
We are in a really complex situation where different browsers (and servers, and OS's) are effected by different exploits, in certain configuration of operating systems. No wonder anyone who thinks about it for more than a second gets in a tizzy
It isnt even enough to say install the latest updates and keep Norton / AVG / SOPHOS running
pretty hard work all the way around
To flesh out the efforts on the other side of the coin
A week a go a site of mine was hacked. A week before that it was (routinely) totally updated and checked against all know vunerabilities and certified as PCI compliant. The check the compliance company does bombards the site for a couple of hours with every trick and exploit they know. the site was resilient to these atacks a few days before the exploit
After searcing the logs, the source of the issue was resolved, and the site cleaned and the complaince company confirmed the site was not vunerable to said issue. Now the company is failing other sites for the issue, and using the fix we arrived at at midnight, as the Std recommended fix. The whole process form hack to fix took 9 hours. The updated security fix was confirmed a hour later and the issue circulated immediatally. Its not just your browsers folks, it is the webservers, the websites themselves and everything else in the chain
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Browsers in a Windows environment are a personal preference. Don't get too hung up on the "bugs and vulnerabilities" thing. If there is an issue, Microsoft will release a patch.
The main thing with Windows is to keep your patch level up to date and ensure you have an effective anti-virus/anti-malware installed and kept up to date. Mostly though, never run your computer with administrative privileges unless undertaking configuration or installing/removing software etc.
The main thing with Windows is to keep your patch level up to date and ensure you have an effective anti-virus/anti-malware installed and kept up to date. Mostly though, never run your computer with administrative privileges unless undertaking configuration or installing/removing software etc.
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HTML 4 isn't totally to blame....
For example, Here's an enlightening tongue in cheek potted history of User Agents declared by browsers.
I've just been updating our web apps browser sniffing code as it wasn't correctly identifying the browser and version from some of the more weird User Agent combinations.
That link may be meant as fun, but it's actually one of the best references I've found as the seemingly random crap in the User Agent string suddenly starts to make sense.
For example, Here's an enlightening tongue in cheek potted history of User Agents declared by browsers.
I've just been updating our web apps browser sniffing code as it wasn't correctly identifying the browser and version from some of the more weird User Agent combinations.
That link may be meant as fun, but it's actually one of the best references I've found as the seemingly random crap in the User Agent string suddenly starts to make sense.
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IE is crap FF is better...
Canons are rubbish, Nikon's rule!
PC's are crap Mac's are best
PS3 is lame XBXO FTW!!!!
SNES is the best, Megadrive is rubbish!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZbtAFq7dP8
Canons are rubbish, Nikon's rule!
PC's are crap Mac's are best
PS3 is lame XBXO FTW!!!!
SNES is the best, Megadrive is rubbish!
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blah
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZbtAFq7dP8
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Always use IE, always have done, never had any issues, never caught anything nasty using it.
Until this changes I have no reason to change.
Until this changes I have no reason to change.
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Safari is splendido for what I want - accesses most sites without any probs
I use IE8 on my Vista x64 workstation at the office. I tried Firefox, but I actually found it ran slower and had problems logging into certain some websites.
Never had any issues personally with IE since 1999 and I like the fact that IE is built into the OS.
Never had any issues personally with IE since 1999 and I like the fact that IE is built into the OS.
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Yes, still using IE8, now patched and super-safe.